Has anyone ever considered that the Illuminati are the good guys?

ummmm, i remember the matrix movies. there was a red pill and a green one, do you want to see how far down the rabbitt hole goes? the victor has many things in his favor, ultimately he gets to write history, the way he wants it. how was the country founded? by masons? and arent we enjoying the freedoms they put into the constitution? ok i know. the conspiracy is, world domination. but lets look at the fruit of what they done. freedom? i mean if they trully wished to enslave the world, then why didnt they enslave us instead?

so, how do we prove these secret organizations even exist? with books and literature, that the powers that be allow us to have, but which powers? is there yet another organization that are pitted against the ones we do know of? could it be that yet a more secret organization wishes to remain annonymous and yet keep the people against the ones we do know of by poisioning our minds against them? ok so we go off superstitions, just ask an old wife anywhere, they are also known for making sound effects of tornados for news reporters and then playing it on the news for our enjoyment.

what is our true reality? what is the real truth? the only truth anyone of us have is the crap handed down to us from our mommies and daddies, and theirs was handed down in like manner. we dont know the truth. ever read george orwell, 1984? and the ministry of truth. you need to find out who is actually controlling the knowledge we do know. you need to find out who is controlling the past, and look for the things that are tangible. everyone thinks they are smart, but they are only as smart as those in power will allow them to be. how does one move a stone that weighs more than a car? i dont know, but this kind of knowledge could very well be of some importance to us. think of the things we could build.

the people in power would be mortified, therefore this knowledge is gone. and yet we know ancient people who should have been living in caves all over earth built beautiful cities. before anyone rushes to judgement they should atleast look at the fruits that such and such people brought forth, and then ask, "why?" "why are those people considered evil?" "who taught me to think that way?" "why did they teach me that?" "what did they have to gain?" cause everybody has an agenda it seems.

even here at glp theres an agenda, if it isnt the illuminati then its the masons and if it isnt the masons then it must be the jews and if not them then certainly the person is a shill working for the powers that be. how nicely divided we are. i imagine i am to being called a shill, oh well. what else is new? i do not know what the past holds or even the truth of the present. the closest thing that tells me anything truthful is my bible, i know, it was compiled by a bunch of men, but it was done with books that are still being found in our recent past, and study has shown the bible is consistent with the dead sea scrolls.

to date, this site is the greatest collection of conspiracy nuts i have encountered, but are you absolutely sure your not part of the conspiracy? are you absolutely sure your not feeding the fires of conspiracy theory that the powers that be want? and how would you know? what if your mind is getting signals and your just doing what your told? honestly. and atlantis. what if it never existed? what if you was only told it existed and through faith you believe. you see i think the atlantis we think of never existed, what if it was infact a good sized island with a volcano for a neighbor? troy wasnt all i expected either, what if writters added their creative license to it?

how would they ever be proven wrong? no one expected mini subs in the deepest depths of the ocean. the place where everyone claims atlantis was is where two tetonic plates are separating. this isnt feesible to me. perhaps south america. they had the infrastructure to say "great cities", even of gold. and maybe no one ever went back cause they started cutting off peoples heads, and the cover story was it was in ruins and at the bottom of the sea. so future generations wouldn't go there, for their safety, i'm sure.

perhaps there was a continent, but either there still isnt enough proof or the truth is being withheld. what if there "great" advancements wasnt really that great to people of today? ow! they can make fire! yawn. oh look! a wheel! look irrigated fields! ditches? another yawn. look they use crystals to make fire! ummm, so do we. could they actually fly? and if so why is there no evidence of them anywhere? aliens? doubtful.

what if everyone in glp was the shill? what if i was the only shill? after all i dont believe in all the stuff the majority here does. i do look for truth, but it is a rarity. atleast my perception of truth is. or is your perception of truth truer than mine? do we even know what truth is? what is truth? are we even sure its defined correctly? what if the bible is truth, why is everyone against it? because it is truth? even some of those professing to believe it come off sounding like pharisee's and scribes. they study dead and non-existant languages and fill you with true meanings of words, all the while making you feel inferior. isn't that a stumbling block? didnt Jesus say not to throw those in front of the young ones to trip them up? i love it when someone says i need to study mens teachings in order to show myself and my faith as being true and approved.

to God? or tell me my bible isnt enough and give me a list of books long enough to make a library. and suggest i learn the forementioned dead languages on top of that. so much for the burden being light and the yoke being easy. what is the true path to heaven? are you sure you want to trust the people filled with worldly intellect, intellect of men? and what is the intelligence of men when compared to the wisdom of God? there are two paths in life. always is. theres God's way and theirs mans way. figure out your own path, and then walk in it. as for me, i will stick to the bible as my sole means of understanding.

i feel that in my own personal walk with the Lord that i was saved by the bible, not any person or persons. no christian came to me and i didnt go out looking for them. i simply read my bible and asked for help in its understanding. even today i always find new things. the bible is like a garden, and everytime i enter it, i find different fruits to eat. its never the same. always different. if i may make a suggestion..... go straight to the bible for the truth. dont listen to anyone or anybody as they will scream your not smart enough or dont have any understanding or consult your vast library i told you to buy or just ask me and i'll tell you. the Holy Spirit will guide you into all truths, all you need to do is ask the Lord and it will come.

and then stand firmly upon that rock. the winds will come as well as the rains but you will be ok. your on firm ground. if you want to know if your on the true path of the Lord it is easy to find out. do the non-believers hate you? and again, do the believers scoff at you as the non-believers do? if you find yourself utterly alone. your on the right path, the Lord is with you. it is the path less traveled. Jesus said, surely will i find faith when i return?

a roman soldier said, just say it and it will be so. Jesus said he had great faith. the bible is a collection of stories given by God, do you not have enough faith to believe it? must you constantly scrutinize it? Jesus said walk in the light that you know. and dont worry, he will be here soon enough. and then we will learn that which we know not. ok, so what would be my agenda? what do i have to gain? my agenda, is for me to tell you to read your bibles. and to have faith in them, that they are the words of God. and what gain is there for me? none. if anything, the gain is yours. oh, rant off. for now...........

2 primary groups fighting it out for owo. Each with a multitude of foot soldiers.

And then there is a 3rd.

Actually the answer to your question is very easy.

If there is no GOD then they are right to make their move.

If there is a GOD then they will be punished severely

What do you say about that?
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ummmm, i remember the matrix movies. there was a red pill and a green one, do you want to see how far down the rabbitt hole goes? the victor has many things in his favor, ultimately he gets to write history, the way he wants it. how was the country founded? by masons? and arent we enjoying the freedoms they put into the constitution? ok i know. the conspiracy is, world domination. but lets look at the fruit of what they done. freedom? i mean if they trully wished to enslave the world, then why didnt they enslave us instead?

Not really a fan of the Matrix movies, so I don't know what you're talking about.

so, how do we prove these secret organizations even exist? with books and literature, that the powers that be allow us to have, but which powers? is there yet another organization that are pitted against the ones we do know of? could it be that yet a more secret organization wishes to remain annonymous and yet keep the people against the ones we do know of by poisioning our minds against them? ok so we go off superstitions, just ask an old wife anywhere, they are also known for making sound effects of tornados for news reporters and then playing it on the news for our enjoyment.

The Free Masons exist and so do many others.



what is our true reality? what is the real truth? the only truth anyone of us have is the crap handed down to us from our mommies and daddies, and theirs was handed down in like manner. we dont know the truth. ever read george orwell, 1984? and the ministry of truth. you need to find out who is actually controlling the knowledge we do know. you need to find out who is controlling the past, and look for the things that are tangible. everyone thinks they are smart, but they are only as smart as those in power will allow them to be. how does one move a stone that weighs more than a car? i dont know, but this kind of knowledge could very well be of some importance to us. think of the things we could build.

Reality is reality, only your perception of it changes.

the people in power would be mortified, therefore this knowledge is gone. and yet we know ancient people who should have been living in caves all over earth built beautiful cities. before anyone rushes to judgement they should atleast look at the fruits that such and such people brought forth, and then ask, "why?" "why are those people considered evil?" "who taught me to think that way?" "why did they teach me that?" "what did they have to gain?" cause everybody has an agenda it seems.

who said they were smart to begin with

even here at glp theres an agenda, if it isnt the illuminati then its the masons and if it isnt the masons then it must be the jews and if not them then certainly the person is a shill working for the powers that be. how nicely divided we are. i imagine i am to being called a shill, oh well. what else is new? i do not know what the past holds or even the truth of the present. the closest thing that tells me anything truthful is my bible, i know, it was compiled by a bunch of men, but it was done with books that are still being found in our recent past, and study has shown the bible is consistent with the dead sea scrolls.

yes there is an agenda at GLP. People sense something is up and they are searching

to date, this site is the greatest collection of conspiracy nuts i have encountered, but are you absolutely sure your not part of the conspiracy? are you absolutely sure your not feeding the fires of conspiracy theory that the powers that be want? and how would you know? what if your mind is getting signals and your just doing what your told? honestly. and atlantis. what if it never existed? what if you was only told it existed and through faith you believe. you see i think the atlantis we think of never existed, what if it was infact a good sized island with a volcano for a neighbor? troy wasnt all i expected either, what if writters added their creative license to it?

There all all kinds here. Some intelligent and kind people and some hateful raging lunatics. What makes you think you are a cut above?

how would they ever be proven wrong? no one expected mini subs in the deepest depths of the ocean. the place where everyone claims atlantis was is where two tetonic plates are separating. this isnt feesible to me. perhaps south america. they had the infrastructure to say "great cities", even of gold. and maybe no one ever went back cause they started cutting off peoples heads, and the cover story was it was in ruins and at the bottom of the sea. so future generations wouldn't go there, for their safety, i'm sure.

What???? And you are ac cusing other people of being lunatics? As far as past civilizations are concerned, I think it's just best to learn from mistakes, no?

perhaps there was a continent, but either there still isnt enough proof or the truth is being withheld. what if there "great" advancements wasnt really that great to people of today? ow! they can make fire! yawn. oh look! a wheel! look irrigated fields! ditches? another yawn. look they use crystals to make fire! ummm, so do we. could they actually fly? and if so why is there no evidence of them anywhere? aliens? doubtful.

What are you trying to say?

what if everyone in glp was the shill? what if i was the only shill? after all i dont believe in all the stuff the majority here does. i do look for truth, but it is a rarity. atleast my perception of truth is. or is your perception of truth truer than mine? do we even know what truth is? what is truth? are we even sure its defined correctly? what if the bible is truth, why is everyone against it? because it is truth? even some of those professing to believe it come off sounding like pharisee's and scribes. they study dead and non-existant languages and fill you with true meanings of words, all the while making you feel inferior. isn't that a stumbling block? didnt Jesus say not to throw those in front of the young ones to trip them up? i love it when someone says i need to study mens teachings in order to show myself and my faith as being true and approved.

So it's better to just accept the bible as it is today than try get closer to the source and see what it might have originally said? Is your faith that feeble that you are afraid of what might be found?

to God? or tell me my bible isnt enough and give me a list of books long enough to make a library. and suggest i learn the forementioned dead languages on top of that. so much for the burden being light and the yoke being easy. what is the true path to heaven? are you sure you want to trust the people filled with worldly intellect, intellect of men? and what is the intelligence of men when compared to the wisdom of God? there are two paths in life. always is. theres God's way and theirs mans way. figure out your own path, and then walk in it. as for me, i will stick to the bible as my sole means of understanding.

I really think it's about how we treat each other and not about a bunch of do's and don'ts

i feel that in my own personal walk with the Lord that i was saved by the bible, not any person or persons. no christian came to me and i didnt go out looking for them. i simply read my bible and asked for help in its understanding. even today i always find new things. the bible is like a garden, and everytime i enter it, i find different fruits to eat. its never the same. always different. if i may make a suggestion..... go straight to the bible for the truth. dont listen to anyone or anybody as they will scream your not smart enough or dont have any understanding or consult your vast library i told you to buy or just ask me and i'll tell you. the Holy Spirit will guide you into all truths, all you need to do is ask the Lord and it will come.

Well, congratulations on your success. I hope you get out of Christianity what you are looking for.

and then stand firmly upon that rock. the winds will come as well as the rains but you will be ok. your on firm ground. if you want to know if your on the true path of the Lord it is easy to find out. do the non-believers hate you? and again, do the believers scoff at you as the non-believers do? if you find yourself utterly alone. your on the right path, the Lord is with you. it is the path less traveled. Jesus said, surely will i find faith when i return?

I'm on my path and I have faith that it is the right one for me. That faith is unshakable and does not come from words in a book. It comes from living and learning.

a roman soldier said, just say it and it will be so. Jesus said he had great faith. the bible is a collection of stories given by God, do you not have enough faith to believe it? must you constantly scrutinize it? Jesus said walk in the light that you know. and dont worry, he will be here soon enough. and then we will learn that which we know not. ok, so what would be my agenda? what do i have to gain? my agenda, is for me to tell you to read your bibles. and to have faith in them, that they are the words of God. and what gain is there for me? none. if anything, the gain is yours. oh, rant off. for now...........

And I should believe the bible is the word of god just because you or a pastor said so? You only believe it because you heard it from somewhere even though no one tried to convert you. You still HEARD that it was the word of God from somewhere. IT's A BOOK. You have no idea where it comes from. Save for very few words attributed to Jesus, the bible is filled with racism, hate, killing and condemnation. Sorry you get solace from that.

I don't know if God will punish them, I don't know how god works. But, what goes around comes around. I just know they are not very efficient at what they do, accept maybe in the USA. They seem to have really turned many Americans into hate filled people. Perhaps that's why American is imploding culturally and financially.

they could be

fighting the forces of the ignorant

there is a bok in which they are the good guys

The Illuminatist

The illumaniti are scientists and moonwatchers. We worship nature and have studies nature laws. Like bacteria, the human cattle have procreated and waste endless natural resources, which will drive the species into extinction. Therfore, the illumaniti loves you, this is why you must die.

The current powers that be are not very good managers. I don't think the Illumanati are running the show.

Concept of good and evil is silly. Usually religious people tend to think this way...Yes, I do understand concept of dualism. Actually those on the top are not evil or good. But they utilize both, yin and yang. Becoming master of both is true path. Guiding humanity is necessary by any means. Imagine what would happen if there would be no shadow power structure, fate of humanity would lie in the hands of common people. It would be as crazy as in ancient rome, emperors were exiled/assassinated all the time. There was no stable power structure...even common man could become an emperor...

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You sort of hit the nail on the head with the utilization of good and evil and yin and yang. The problem is, those at the top deny common man the spiritual tools to access that within themselves. This, to me, is the greatest of their crimes. They feed the masses a watered down religion that is nothing but a bunch of laws counter to true spirituality.

Saturnalia cult and Illuminati. Once you check out the saturnalia cult videos on youtube and discussed else where on the net, you will understand how evil they really are.

You think 9/11 was a good thing?

Bilderbergs openly support depopulation, not just population reduction, de-population. think about that too.

So you are saying that SIR Conan Doyle was cointelpro-ing the TPTB?


Puhleeze muh ni99a!

Nope but I do believe that their is different factions just not to the extreme....each one of them might have the same goal but a different route to get their...... One question I always wondered if their was an apposing force to the TPTB aside from us and the people that are actually awake, a group that has been around just as long as the illumanati, masons, and so on.....Just a thought but if their was ever such a secret group....Sign me up!

Again, I am not saying these particular groups you are mentioning are not bad. Truly they are. If you will READ, you will see what I am getting at: The Illuminati exist WITHIN these groups to OVERTHROW them and STOP them. Again, READ!!!!!!!

the Illuminati are OUR PROTECTORS from the
reptilians and the Manti

I really don't think being part of a group does much good. I think it's up to the individual. Pack mentality is one of their goals as your individuality (SELF) goes out the door.

If we can't deal with facts can we at least deal with things we know exist for sure? We know about the Bilderbergs, the rich families, etc etc.

We are trying to find out exactly what is the Illuminati here.

OFF TO BED. It is so hot here in Norfolk that I want to scream.

ME NEITHER, but I believe in them because I KNOW BY EXPERIENCE THEY EXIST.

And they are the SEED of the Being that is behind the Illuminati, who is THEIR "GOD" to whom they give everything in exchange for power.

If you don't believe Ritual Killing and Blood Sacrifices are still going on, at the very TOP LEVEL OF WORLDWIDE GOVERNMENTS, then you've got some research yet to do...

RESEARCH THE BLACK NOBILITY, AND THE BLACK POPE.

THAT will give you lots of answers...and more questions...

The work of Adam Weisshaupt, was of no inspiration, nor value to Attas Thomas Jefferson!

"For many reasons, we cannot verify Masonic history too easily. Some Attas have investigated Freemasonry, both from within by infiltration and from without by investigation. Thomas Paine is one of the Attas who undertook the task from without, while other Attas like Benjamin Franklin and Mark Twain infiltrated the organization. Franklin disclosed many of the secrets of Freemasonry to Thomas Paine and also provided him with copies of various records from some lodges. For this, Franklin was singled out for express criticism by Illuminati founder and high-ranking Freemason and contemporary Adam Weisshaupt, who is legendary for his devious and twisted behaviour and character. It was Weisshaupt who supposedly founded the New World Order. However, he was more of a shill for the ruling elite and did as he was directed."

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i think the so called Illuminati has carried out horrific experiments designed to make GOD intervene. When GOD did not intervene the Illuminati assumed that they best start making rules without GOD help, since he has never ever intervened to stop them at any point

Yeah Stalin and the Bolsheviks were great people. These guys running things and pulling the politicians strings are their descendants. They are the same people.They're just operating a level removed via control of the money.

AND I'LL SECOND THAT!

Your arrogance "Mustis" is showing...

Humanity can very easily govern itself...it's not too difficult to figure out how to provide food, clothing, and shelter for everyone and peace and plenty when your HEART IS FULL OF RIGHTEOUSNESS.

It is those whose Heart is full of Evil that literally DO NOT HAVE THE CAPACITY TO UNDERSTAND RIGHTEOUSNESS or ACT IN SUCH A MANNER.

Agree with the OP

Also, without the Illuminati, would ANY of us be 'awake' and here on GLP? I would say they've accelerated the enlightenment (guess that's why they call themselves Illuminati eh?) process for mankind, even if it means some people get hurt along the way, which is unfortunate but you gotta break a few eggs to make an omelet.

If the Illuminati were to disappear overnight, do you think the rest of humanity know how to keep it together right now? At this stage, I don't think mankind is ready, maybe in a few years that can change.

If we had free energy, what if some unstable fellow decided to make a bomb out of it and blow up half the planet, maybe there is a real reason why some of this stuff is kept hidden from the rest of us. Apparently it were things like this that caused the fall of Atlantis, and that is why the Illuminati were mandated the task of making sure that never happens again, and that the tech and magick is only freed when mankind is ready to handle it.
Personally I am ready, but I can't say for the rest of mankind.

By showing us evil, they show us what we want to avoid and that makes us better humans. Also doom helps wake people out of their programmed routines. They have to provide the choice for people.
For that, I thank TPTB :)

I don't see them as my enemy, rather as a challenge.
When they say they want to enslave us, it's a test to see if we've grown up enough to band together and say NO.
Ultimately they are helping us become empowered beings.

It's too bad most of the world is asleep at the wheel, the car is heading for a cliff and the doors are locked XD

And yes, I do think, different factions of the Illuminati have different opinions on how to help humanity grow.

Yeah... Good for THEM not us!

Research the Federal Reserve and tell me how good it is...

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