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Is there is a .40 S&W conspiracy with police chiefs & freemasonry?

 
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Is there is a .40 S&W conspiracy with police chiefs & freemasonry?
My friend Don said the .40 S&W would not knock a human down fast enough. He said that police have died in the line of duty because the crook did not get disable by the .40 S&W. He suspects that police chiefs are getting freebies, and rebates from signing the department contract with the manufactures of the .40 S&W. That why police department refuse to switch to the .45 ACP when the evidence lean towards the effectiveness of the .45 ACP.

He told me that during World War II, the US army uses .38 special on the natives. The .38 special go right through the human body and did not stop the natives from charging at the US troops. Then the US Army switches to the .45 ACP. The .45 ACP disable the natives so the natives got scare and did not dare to charge at the US troops.

From the fact many police chiefs and mayors are anti-gun, I suspect they may be Freemasons. Maybe they want the cops to die in the line of duty for global depopulation for the New World Order. Do the Freemasonic lodge brainwash the police chiefs into the .40 S&W for their police department?


Is there is a conspiracy between Freemasonry and police chiefs making the requirement that police officers carry .40 S&W?
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Many mayor and police chiefs are Freemasons. The Freemasons control the political parties to ensure the city council, and mayors are Freemasons. Then when the Mayor is a Freemason with the city council, the person selected to be police chief would be a Freemason.
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This post has definitely killed several of my brain cells, I can fell IT, I cAN FEEL IT.
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Re: Is there is a .40 S&W conspiracy with police chiefs & freemasonry?
This is a retarded post. I shoot .40 S&W and I can tell you that these rounds are effective. Period! Maybe your thinking of 9mm? The .40 has more knock down power than .380 and 9mm. Its much faster than .45ACP and the .40 compares to the 9mm in speed/velocity. Although its not 45ACP, it will still stop someone in their tracks. Add my crimson trace laser grips and I can put all my rounds at center mass or just one in the head. Go buy a .40 and then tell me what you think. I think you'll answer your own questions after shooting one.
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if freemasons on the local level were something more then a frat club for men I'd consider joining them, but really who gives a shit if you can make some hand gesture to get out of having a parking ticket? Or even advancing in the world.. the world is so transitory it's not worth investing in.
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the .45 is more effective because it's a slower bullet and will stop in the body, not just pass right through it.

This argument becomes less valid when you use hollow-point ammo in the other calibers, 9mm and .40.

Apples for apples.. with regular ammo the .45 is better yes.
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this is the same argument from when cops switched from the .38 police special to the 9mm. then it was two fbi agents were killed when a perp didn't drop after the first few rounds and managed to get behind them and kill them with one of their own guns. its a story I never quite believed.
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the .45 is more effective because it's a slower bullet and will stop in the body, not just pass right through it.

This argument becomes less valid when you use hollow-point ammo in the other calibers, 9mm and .40.

Apples for apples.. with regular ammo the .45 is better yes.
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I agree with AC here. I would never give up my Sig229 .40, but in cases where I want to carry concealed or prefer a self defensive round, I'm carrying my Kimber CDPII 45.ACP. Bigger holes mean more blood loss, causing the situation to end quicker. I always load up using hollow points in both caliber too (but that's a whole other argument for some people).
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Re: Is there is a .40 S&W conspiracy with police chiefs & freemasonry?
total bullshit

.40sw is a very effective manstopper
so ias 9mm for that matter

retarded ammo arguments
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Geez! Where do I start... I was looking for a special edition sig for Freemasons and found this. Ill comment on everything said worth commenting on. I am a Historian in Wisconsin Free and Accepted Masons for validation... No Freemasons have nothing AT ALL to do with deciding what cal guns to use for law enforcement... Yes, Masons could be evolved but not representing Masonry, it's because their profession puts them in that position. Our Mayor just became a Mason, none of our Police force is... You can not ask someone to be a Mason, they have to ask and want to be one so therefore any conspiracy thought is unwarranted. Yes, many Masons are people of great accomplishment and stature and Masonry (if you ask them) most likely got them there... The lessons taught are common but give a man the tools to be successful in life (honor, duty, respect, fortitude, perseverance) Elders pass wisdom to the next gen and for that reason we are always progressing. Having said that, many times we can't even decide on what to eat for dinner much less deciding the cal for LE... Kind of a silly question really.... Part of what makes a real man is someone who seeks truth (not on a blog).... Get in touch with your local lodges and ask them to visit, you might even get a free meal out of it. ;) It's attitudes like the one of the gentleman who says "it's just a frat, it's not worth it" is what's wrong w the country. To him life is about what's in it for him not what he can do to help the community, country, gov, and world he is so lucky to be a part of. As for the guns.. A .22 can stop someone if you can aim... .40 is more than enough power (and it's much cheaper to buy 450,000 rounds of .40 and .45) Also a small addition is that we use .40 where most countries do not, possibly in case invasion or war our ammo would be less than useless to foreign troops unless they raided a Glock factory ha (IMO)
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its where you hit is important. "stopping power" lol! the recoil you feel when fire the weapon is equal to the punch the person feels on impact. you hit no important organ your opponent wont "stop".
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Re: Is there is a .40 S&W conspiracy with police chiefs & freemasonry?
This is a retarded post. I shoot .40 S&W and I can tell you that these rounds are effective. Period! Maybe your thinking of 9mm? The .40 has more knock down power than .380 and 9mm. Its much faster than .45ACP and the .40 compares to the 9mm in speed/velocity. Although its not 45ACP, it will still stop someone in their tracks. Add my crimson trace laser grips and I can put all my rounds at center mass or just one in the head. Go buy a .40 and then tell me what you think. I think you'll answer your own questions after shooting one.
 Quoting: SigSauer 936378


I've got them all and I've done extensive research. In power ratings of actual ft/lb delivery you have, from lowest to highest:

.380
9mm
38spl
45acp
40s&w
357mag

Now, delivery is the problem. I'd much rather have a 9mm with good hollow cavity projectiles than a 45acp with fmj projectiles.

Though the above list is gives you the order of raw ft/lbs, the delivery of those ft/lbs depends very much on the projectile.

Bigger, slower, less fragile and more narrow projectiles deliver their energy slower (as in punching holes and penetrating things).

Lighter, faster, more fragile and wider projectiles deliver their energy more instantaneously.

You have to consider all of those things and remember that 9mm/38spl/357mag/380 stuff is all .355 to .358 in diameter. 40 cal is .400 and 45acp is .454

I've engineered several 9mm and 357 magnum rounds that make 45 stuff look wimpy. I can't do the same with 45acp stuff because of the limitations of the cartridge and firearms. I haven't done the engineering with 40s&w.

The fact is if someone would use a very light bullet with a very heavy powder charge and send a hollow point projectile out the barrel very fast, it really doesn't matter how big the hole is.

I've done the same with .223/5.56 ammo. Very light bullet. Heavy powder charge, yet, the bullet is only .224 and weights less than one fourth of what a 45 acp bullet weighs, yet, they are part of my engineered YDGUFT rounds. (You Don't Get Up From These...)

I've done extensive tests with 45acp. I am not impressed.. AT ALL. 40s&w is so-so. I like 9mm for its compactness but decent power. My preference is 44magnum. 1600ft lbs of RAW FUCKING POWER. With 180gr hollow points and 27gr of 2400 they are YDGUFT in a very massive way. They'll penetrate a lot because of their raw power yet when they hit viscous material they litterally DETONATE.

If you're going to argue about power and this and that, just stop the bullshit. 44 magnum is common enough and reasonably priced. But, in a building or enclosed space, you better have some type of hearing protection or you're going to be deaf. ...which is another advantage of 9mm.

Its all about the situation.
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Your "friend" is a clueless dumbass.
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Smith and Wesson is a pos company that goes along with any little gun control idiocy the government tards consider. Wouldn't buy anything they make.
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the .45 is more effective because it's a slower bullet and will stop in the body, not just pass right through it.

This argument becomes less valid when you use hollow-point ammo in the other calibers, 9mm and .40.

Apples for apples.. with regular ammo the .45 is better yes.
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This:

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Oh fuck me! Now this is just absurd! The .40 grew out of the 9MM & 10MM vs .45 that is all! It gained popularity because cops were looking for a gun with a .45s knockdown power and accuracy of 9mm!

What the hell? Everything is some grand conspiracy. It's bad marketing, physics, and engineering. Not some illumanutty bullshit.
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op....just wow....
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i only use .50 caliber action express for home defence

why would you trust anything less
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Re: Is there is a .40 S&W conspiracy with police chiefs & freemasonry?
This is a retarded post. I shoot .40 S&W and I can tell you that these rounds are effective. Period! Maybe your thinking of 9mm? The .40 has more knock down power than .380 and 9mm. Its much faster than .45ACP and the .40 compares to the 9mm in speed/velocity. Although its not 45ACP, it will still stop someone in their tracks. Add my crimson trace laser grips and I can put all my rounds at center mass or just one in the head. Go buy a .40 and then tell me what you think. I think you'll answer your own questions after shooting one.
 Quoting: SigSauer 936378


I've got them all and I've done extensive research. In power ratings of actual ft/lb delivery you have, from lowest to highest:

.380
9mm
38spl
45acp
40s&w
357mag

Now, delivery is the problem. I'd much rather have a 9mm with good hollow cavity projectiles than a 45acp with fmj projectiles.

Though the above list is gives you the order of raw ft/lbs, the delivery of those ft/lbs depends very much on the projectile.

Bigger, slower, less fragile and more narrow projectiles deliver their energy slower (as in punching holes and penetrating things).

Lighter, faster, more fragile and wider projectiles deliver their energy more instantaneously.

You have to consider all of those things and remember that 9mm/38spl/357mag/380 stuff is all .355 to .358 in diameter. 40 cal is .400 and 45acp is .454

I've engineered several 9mm and 357 magnum rounds that make 45 stuff look wimpy. I can't do the same with 45acp stuff because of the limitations of the cartridge and firearms. I haven't done the engineering with 40s&w.

The fact is if someone would use a very light bullet with a very heavy powder charge and send a hollow point projectile out the barrel very fast, it really doesn't matter how big the hole is.

I've done the same with .223/5.56 ammo. Very light bullet. Heavy powder charge, yet, the bullet is only .224 and weights less than one fourth of what a 45 acp bullet weighs, yet, they are part of my engineered YDGUFT rounds. (You Don't Get Up From These...)

I've done extensive tests with 45acp. I am not impressed.. AT ALL. 40s&w is so-so. I like 9mm for its compactness but decent power. My preference is 44magnum. 1600ft lbs of RAW FUCKING POWER. With 180gr hollow points and 27gr of 2400 they are YDGUFT in a very massive way. They'll penetrate a lot because of their raw power yet when they hit viscous material they litterally DETONATE.

If you're going to argue about power and this and that, just stop the bullshit. 44 magnum is common enough and reasonably priced. But, in a building or enclosed space, you better have some type of hearing protection or you're going to be deaf. ...which is another advantage of 9mm.

Its all about the situation.
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Good post. Hang around because we get lots of ammo discussions.
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I would guess that the main reason why the 40S&W has gained popularity with police (and civilians) is because its a good compromise of the relative strengths of .45acp and 9mm: higher ammunition capacity than the .45acp and a heavier, larger diameter bullet than the 9mm.
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Good post. Hang around because we get lots of ammo discussions.
Question: If you can only have one semi-auto pistol, and you aren't rich, which would you buy?
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Ruger P-95.

Its 'only' a 9mm, but the price is right (low $300 range) and they're known for being one of the most reliable handguns ever made.
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don't see a. problem lessen you a pig
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I would guess that the main reason why the 40S&W has gained popularity with police (and civilians) is because its a good compromise of the relative strengths of .45acp and 9mm: higher ammunition capacity than the .45acp and a heavier, larger diameter bullet than the 9mm.
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The reason why .40 is popular is because of the Penetration Capabilities that it has over 9mm.

Because it has more mass they are better for going through Windows, walls or doors.


If penetration is your main goal you load up Full metal Jacket rounds.


But penetration is not their goal. They want man stoppers and that means hollow points.

But .40 SW has better penetration capability then 9mm so they are using those in hollow points because you get a balance of both stopping power and penetration ability.

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