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Arizona to allow concealed carry without permit

 
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With zero checks on who is carrying so basically even criminals can carry legally and what happens when bar fights turn into gun fights.
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Best to stay out of bars.
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As a western person, but not a cowboy. I like this law.

I also think all minorities should be disarmed 100% by law. Any possetion by them should be a capital offence.

No guns, knifes of any kind, including switchblades or pocketknifes. Nothing for them.

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No minorities get to carry to!

Still think it's a great law?
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With zero checks on who is carrying so basically even criminals can carry legally and what happens when bar fights turn into gun fights.


Best to stay out of bars.
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Yeppers stay in your homes because now any pissed off yahoo can carry a gun!
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Very bad idea!



Typical lib.

Guns are OK for me, but everybody else is too stupid.


I concealed carry with a permit! I don't have an issue with people carrying legally, but just letting anyone carry without any sort of checks is not a good idea.



If you don't have an issue with people carrying legally, then you won't have everyone carrying concealed in Arizona - IT'S COMPLETELY LEGAL!


With zero checks on who is carrying so basically even criminals can carry legally and what happens when bar fights turn into gun fights.
 Quoting: Nikki_LaVey


Not true. The law states that if you cannot own a weapon legally, you cannot carry one. Police are a reactive force not a preventative force. Any preventative act that police take is a breach of constitutional law with few exceptions. Police are not out there to arrest citizens for "thought crimes". Go research before you post. Armed states have less crime.
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Arizona's new State Song should be...
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With zero checks on who is carrying so basically even criminals can carry legally.
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go run up on the gangs making meth in phoenix and tell em "hey! you ain't legal carrying that 9mm inside your dickies!!! citizen's arrest!! citizen's arrest!!!"

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Its disconcerting, said Mesa Police Chief Frank Milstead. The fact that anyone can walk around and carry a gun without training is disconcerting. We dont let our police officers walk around with a gun without training. Some people will start shoving a gun down their pants and shoot themselves.


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Anyone who owns a gun needs training, including a county sheriff I ran into a couple days ago. He needed to learn the laws, too. What the deputy said was totally WRONG....I didn't bother correcting him. Don't expect law officers to know the laws, either.
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With zero checks on who is carrying so basically even criminals can carry legally and what happens when bar fights turn into gun fights.
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This is the kind of statement that blows away any possibility of credibility on your part.

"so basically even criminals can carry legally..."

Are you fucking kidding me??? LOL

I guess if a criminal legally carries, then that's just one fewer laws they're breaking. As if they gave a shit in the first place. Jesus! That's one of the stupidest statements I've read on this forum in a while and I've read some serious whoppers.
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Very bad idea!

Typical lib.

Guns are OK for me, but everybody else is too stupid.


I concealed carry with a permit! I don't have an issue with people carrying legally, but just letting anyone carry without any sort of checks is not a good idea.



If you don't have an issue with people carrying legally, then you won't have everyone carrying concealed in Arizona - IT'S COMPLETELY LEGAL!


With zero checks on who is carrying so basically even criminals can carry legally and what happens when bar fights turn into gun fights.


Not true. The law states that if you cannot own a weapon legally, you cannot carry one. Police are a reactive force not a preventative force. Any preventative act that police take is a breach of constitutional law with few exceptions. Police are not out there to arrest citizens for "thought crimes". Go research before you post. Armed states have less crime.
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You misunderstand I wasn't talking about convicted felons. Now if the police are investigating someone they can do nothing about them carrying a weapon.
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As a western person, but not a cowboy. I like this law.

I also think all minorities should be disarmed 100% by law. Any possetion by them should be a capital offence.

No guns, knifes of any kind, including switchblades or pocketknifes. Nothing for them.



No minorities get to carry to!

Still think it's a great law?
 Quoting: Nikki_LaVey


They do anyways fagboy. All the law does is armed the citizens to equalize the field.

You want women and children to die. You like it and desire people to be killed. It's obvious. You are evil and twisted on levels that are unimaginable.
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As a western person, but not a cowboy. I like this law.

I also think all minorities should be disarmed 100% by law. Any possetion by them should be a capital offence.

No guns, knifes of any kind, including switchblades or pocketknifes. Nothing for them.


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Sorry bud,you cant do this.You cant discriminate because someone is a minority.I am not a big fan of ni@@ers but i love my black American friends.I hate dirty Spi@K gang bangers but i love my American latino friends.The worst thing i hate in this world is WHITE racist nazi,skinhead scumbags.I am white but i take pride in beating the shit out of Nazis & skinheads(have smacked down quite a few).
There are lots of good AMERICANS out there who have different skin tones but our blood is all red.
So please fellow American dont say stupid things like you said.
NRA LIFE MEMBER.
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Arizona to allow concealed carry without permit

[link to www.informationliberation.com]

In less than a week, Arizona residents will be allowed to carry a gun in their pocket or purse without needing paperwork to do so.

Senate Bill 1108, which allows people to carry concealed guns with no permit or safety training, takes effect on July 29, the same day controversial immigration legislation is scheduled to begin enforcement. It makes Arizona the third state behind Alaska and Vermont, all supportive of gun rights, to enact a law that raises concerns for law enforcement.

Its disconcerting, said Mesa Police Chief Frank Milstead. The fact that anyone can walk around and carry a gun without training is disconcerting. We dont let our police officers walk around with a gun without training. Some people will start shoving a gun down their pants and shoot themselves.

SB 1108, sponsored by Sen. Russell Pearce, R-Mesa, was signed into law by Gov. Jan Brewer on April 16. People can carry guns without a permit, but still will not be allowed to take a gun into a bar or restaurant without one, as most such establishments prohibit them anyway.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 862727

why? they can openly wear their guns on their hip etc. why hide it, advertise it
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07/25/2010 02:47 PM
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Re: Arizona to allow concealed carry without permit
Very bad idea!

Typical lib.

Guns are OK for me, but everybody else is too stupid.


I concealed carry with a permit! I don't have an issue with people carrying legally, but just letting anyone carry without any sort of checks is not a good idea.



If you don't have an issue with people carrying legally, then you won't have everyone carrying concealed in Arizona - IT'S COMPLETELY LEGAL!


With zero checks on who is carrying so basically even criminals can carry legally and what happens when bar fights turn into gun fights.


Not true. The law states that if you cannot own a weapon legally, you cannot carry one. Police are a reactive force not a preventative force. Any preventative act that police take is a breach of constitutional law with few exceptions. Police are not out there to arrest citizens for "thought crimes". Go research before you post. Armed states have less crime.


You misunderstand I wasn't talking about convicted felons. Now if the police are investigating someone they can do nothing about them carrying a weapon.
 Quoting: Nikki_LaVey


Nope wrong again (as usual). They have the right to request the firearm and check against several databases. 1 Stolen guns, 2.) If the person carrying the gun has ever been convicted of a felony.

Done deal. If they draw the weapon, cop (and possibly other good armed Samaritans) shoots the suspect.

What more could you ask? If criminals are armed so too should the citizenry!!!
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GOOD for you Arizona!
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Very bad idea!


What the fuck would you know about guns, ya fucking piece of shit PERVERT? Fucking dickless tranny faggot! lmao

granny


what does my gender idenity have to do with this issue?



It goes to show confusion over some very basic issues.
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Like which bathroom to stay out of! laugh

scared

In fact, WHAT BATHROOM **DO** YOU USE, NIKKI? CAN'T SOMEONE ARREST THIS PERV, BEFORE IT DOES SOMETHING ILLEGAL WITH THAT RIFE? huffy
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As a western person, but not a cowboy. I like this law.

I also think all minorities should be disarmed 100% by law. Any possetion by them should be a capital offence.

No guns, knifes of any kind, including switchblades or pocketknifes. Nothing for them.



No minorities get to carry to!

Still think it's a great law?


They do anyways fagboy. All the law does is armed the citizens to equalize the field.

You want women and children to die. You like it and desire people to be killed. It's obvious. You are evil and twisted on levels that are unimaginable.
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ohyeah cutting off your own DICK????????

yakyakyakyak
scaredscaredscaredscared
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07/25/2010 02:52 PM
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Fuck off again Nikki.Do you not understand "SHALL NOT INFRINGE" This is a great idea.Adults being able to defend themselves.
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so you don't know how to defend yourself without guns? kewl
bruteforce ftfw
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Lets get off of the Dick Chopping.Lets get on track people.Yes Nikki is a bit off(about 6 inches)Ok sorry couldent take my own advice.
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Fuck off again Nikki.Do you not understand "SHALL NOT INFRINGE" This is a great idea.Adults being able to defend themselves.


so you don't know how to defend yourself without guns? kewl
bruteforce ftfw
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Why, when you don't have to? Choose 50/50 win ration or 100% win ratio? Especially if you have a family.
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Fuck off again Nikki.Do you not understand "SHALL NOT INFRINGE" This is a great idea.Adults being able to defend themselves.


so you don't know how to defend yourself without guns? kewl
bruteforce ftfw
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Oh i can tie you up in knots before i shoot.Believe me.I would never pull my weapon UNLESS i am in,or my family is in danger.The sad truth is my martial arts training does not do shit against a nice .45
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Fuck off again Nikki.Do you not understand "SHALL NOT INFRINGE" This is a great idea.Adults being able to defend themselves.


so you don't know how to defend yourself without guns? kewl
bruteforce ftfw


Why, when you don't have to? Choose 50/50 win ration or 100% win ratio? Especially if you have a family.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1047186


and having a gun means that you will have 100% win ratio?
how does that work?
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The police need training to do a job !
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Most bars in Arizona do not allow weapons and post sign on door (for those who can read english).

Kidnappings, cartels, drugs, and illegals ... it's about time the citizens can arm themselves against the flood crossing the border.

The government sure isn't helping us out along the border. We Arizonians are sick and tired of being over run and more power to being back in the wild west and having the legal right to bear arms, finally!
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Fuck off again Nikki.Do you not understand "SHALL NOT INFRINGE" This is a great idea.Adults being able to defend themselves.


so you don't know how to defend yourself without guns? kewl
bruteforce ftfw


Why, when you don't have to? Choose 50/50 win ration or 100% win ratio? Especially if you have a family.


and having a gun means that you will have 100% win ratio?
how does that work?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1042635


Easy, assholes approach you and ask you the time or ask for money or some other shit and you help them in whatever manner you can...and sometimes they go away. Sometimes they don't they nudge in a little too close or get pushy about money or whatever and you simply place you hand on your weapon and say "I'm armed and trained, it'd work out best for you to stay away from me and my family". Trust me...people walk away when they hear that.
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Jan's got a set, good for her and Arizona.
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I think it's awesome.

This is the time Zonies to get your kids in gun classes. Gun education is very very very important no matter what your state laws are. Kids need to be familiar with guns, know the real damage they can do, and know what to do if they encounter a gun. When I first moved here and took my kids (baby and a toddler at the time) to their new pediatrician he handed me a flyer for gun safety classes for kids. I was blown away at first, I was very anti-gun at the time...but over the years it has made sense to me that they are familiar and know the rules.
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Very bad idea!


What the fuck would you know about guns, ya fucking piece of shit PERVERT? Fucking dickless tranny faggot! lmao

granny


what does my gender idenity have to do with this issue?



It goes to show confusion over some very basic issues.


Like which bathroom to stay out of! laugh

scared

In fact, WHAT BATHROOM **DO** YOU USE, NIKKI? CAN'T SOMEONE ARREST THIS PERV, BEFORE IT DOES SOMETHING ILLEGAL WITH THAT RIFE? huffy
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I have legally used the Lady's room since I first started my transition.

I have every legal right to have a firearm(s).
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Nikki_LaVey

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I think it's awesome.

This is the time Zonies to get your kids in gun classes. Gun education is very very very important no matter what your state laws are. Kids need to be familiar with guns, know the real damage they can do, and know what to do if they encounter a gun. When I first moved here and took my kids (baby and a toddler at the time) to their new pediatrician he handed me a flyer for gun safety classes for kids. I was blown away at first, I was very anti-gun at the time...but over the years it has made sense to me that they are familiar and know the rules.
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Firearm safety is very important!
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I have legally used the Lady's room since I first started my transition.

I have every legal right to have a firearm(s).
 Quoting: Nikki_LaVey



What cup size did you choose, and why?
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I think it's awesome.

This is the time Zonies to get your kids in gun classes. Gun education is very very very important no matter what your state laws are. Kids need to be familiar with guns, know the real damage they can do, and know what to do if they encounter a gun. When I first moved here and took my kids (baby and a toddler at the time) to their new pediatrician he handed me a flyer for gun safety classes for kids. I was blown away at first, I was very anti-gun at the time...but over the years it has made sense to me that they are familiar and know the rules.


Firearm safety is very important!
 Quoting: Nikki_LaVey



Yes it is...my cousin lost her little boy when he was shot by his best friend on accident when they were little. I think education might have prevented this...plus locking up your guns as well.

After that happened I figured it's best kids know rather than not know because they can run into situations outside of our control.
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