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Arizona to allow concealed carry without permit

 
Anonymous Coward
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Very bad idea!


What the fuck would you know about guns, ya fucking piece of shit PERVERT? Fucking dickless tranny faggot! lmao

granny


what does my gender idenity have to do with this issue?
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HUH? Are you a male wanna be? Are you a male not wanna be? confused ... never mind. I don't wanna know. I do know this. Funny: my all-conference linebacker roommate and a few friends were at Mardi Gras giving girls we thought were cute Mardi Gras kisses. My buddy walks up to what he thought was a cute girl, grabs her and kisses her, "Mardi Gras kiss!"

The tranny answered in a rather deep voice, thank you very much. We about died laughing and the tranny simply wabout died. Sheesh. Now you know why I insist on giving a quick feel on dates before I get too serious.

whatever
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ohyeah Just like it says in the 2nd amendment!




The Second Amendment IS MY CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1048059

clappa Well SAID.... They make you think you have to have the Governments permission to carry concealed... Fuck Them.. Take Back Our Gun Rights..
It Only Hurts If You Care...
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Very bad idea!



Typical lib.

Guns are OK for me, but everybody else is too stupid.


I concealed carry with a permit! I don't have an issue with people carrying legally, but just letting anyone carry without any sort of checks is not a good idea.



If you don't have an issue with people carrying legally, then you won't have everyone carrying concealed in Arizona - IT'S COMPLETELY LEGAL!


With zero checks on who is carrying so basically even criminals can carry legally and what happens when bar fights turn into gun fights.
 Quoting: Nikki_LaVey


Got news for you Nikki, criminals already carry and aren't the type to get licensed even if possible. That's the point. Now we too can carry without scrutiny. An example: I live in Oregon. I have CCW permits for a number of states. Some groups in OR and some of its lawmakers want to make who are CCW carriers public knowledge. If that happened, any crook would kow I am likely to have guns and when I am at work or whatever my home my become a target for theft to steal my guns... if I have any.

Ya know. What we need to do is severley punish those who use a gun to commit a crime. I appreciate your opinion though and the gun-won rights for you to express your opinion.
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Not true. The law states that if you cannot own a weapon legally, you cannot carry one. Police are a reactive force not a preventative force. Any preventative act that police take is a breach of constitutional law with few exceptions. Police are not out there to arrest citizens for "thought crimes". Go research before you post. Armed states have less crime.
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+100
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NRA LIFE MEMBER.
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GOA is Better than NRA...The NRA Helped the Feds with the Machine Gun Ban...(they helped with the wording of the bill to make at a grandfather clause, whic included existing only guns ..Which Limited the Supply and Drove the price through the Roof.... )Price a Full Auto Tommy Sometime...

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Its disconcerting, said Mesa Police Chief Frank Milstead. The fact that anyone can walk around and carry a gun without training is disconcerting. We dont let our police officers walk around with a gun without training. Some people will start shoving a gun down their pants and shoot themselves.




Anyone who owns a gun needs training, including a county sheriff I ran into a couple days ago. He needed to learn the laws, too. What the deputy said was totally WRONG....I didn't bother correcting him. Don't expect law officers to know the laws, either.
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My guess is whoever puts a gun down their pants and shoots something probably can be considered trained from that point forward. :)
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ohyeah Just like it says in the 2nd amendment!




The Second Amendment IS MY CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT.

clappa Well SAID.... They make you think you have to have the Governments permission to carry concealed... Fuck Them.. Take Back Our Gun Rights..
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Hallelujah!

Sooooo glad to see people understand this. Unfortunately...times have changed.
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Very bad idea!



Typical lib.

Guns are OK for me, but everybody else is too stupid.


I concealed carry with a permit! I don't have an issue with people carrying legally, but just letting anyone carry without any sort of checks is not a good idea.



If you don't have an issue with people carrying legally, then you won't have everyone carrying concealed in Arizona - IT'S COMPLETELY LEGAL!


With zero checks on who is carrying so basically even criminals can carry legally and what happens when bar fights turn into gun fights.
 Quoting: Nikki_LaVey


I have to wonder anymore about the definition of "criminal" with the way the police are encouraged to arrest people. I am supposedly a "criminal" for a crime for which I was arrested but NEVER convicted. I can not own a gun forever now by virtue of being charged with a crime but not found guilty. I may be a single mom of two children not allowed to protect my family because of this stupid law. The real criminals carry guns and kill people. The ones who can't get them are probably the ones who wouldn't use them to kill people anyway.
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An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. - Robert A. Heinlein
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An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. - Robert A. Heinlein
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No shit. Wanna meet the most polite people you will EVER MEET??? Go to a gun range.
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Very bad idea!



Typical lib.

Guns are OK for me, but everybody else is too stupid.


I concealed carry with a permit! I don't have an issue with people carrying legally, but just letting anyone carry without any sort of checks is not a good idea.



If you don't have an issue with people carrying legally, then you won't have everyone carrying concealed in Arizona - IT'S COMPLETELY LEGAL!


With zero checks on who is carrying so basically even criminals can carry legally and what happens when bar fights turn into gun fights.


I have to wonder anymore about the definition of "criminal" with the way the police are encouraged to arrest people. I am supposedly a "criminal" for a crime for which I was arrested but NEVER convicted. I can not own a gun forever now by virtue of being charged with a crime but not found guilty. I may be a single mom of two children not allowed to protect my family because of this stupid law. The real criminals carry guns and kill people. The ones who can't get them are probably the ones who wouldn't use them to kill people anyway.
 Quoting: Ice Princess 875198



I don't believe this is true. When I fill out the yellow form to buy a firearm, the only verbiage on it about a criminal record has to do with CONVICTIONS. They don't even address arrests.
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Very bad idea!
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Yea I guess your right, the 2nd amendment wasn't very important anyway right?

WE NEVER NEEDED PERMISSION TO CARRY ANYTHING, IT WAS PROVIDED FOR IN THE LITTLE KNOW CONSTITUTION AND IT'S AMENDMENTS!
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Arizona to allow concealed carry without permit

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In less than a week, Arizona residents will be allowed to carry a gun in their pocket or purse without needing paperwork to do so.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 862727

Excellent! This is what the founding fathers wrote in that little read peice of forgotten history called the "US Constitution". 'bout damn time somebody stopped abridging the second ammendment.
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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Re: Arizona to allow concealed carry without permit
Very bad idea!



Typical lib.

Guns are OK for me, but everybody else is too stupid.


I concealed carry with a permit! I don't have an issue with people carrying legally, but just letting anyone carry without any sort of checks is not a good idea.



If you don't have an issue with people carrying legally, then you won't have everyone carrying concealed in Arizona - IT'S COMPLETELY LEGAL!


With zero checks on who is carrying so basically even criminals can carry legally and what happens when bar fights turn into gun fights.


I have to wonder anymore about the definition of "criminal" with the way the police are encouraged to arrest people. I am supposedly a "criminal" for a crime for which I was arrested but NEVER convicted. I can not own a gun forever now by virtue of being charged with a crime but not found guilty. I may be a single mom of two children not allowed to protect my family because of this stupid law. The real criminals carry guns and kill people. The ones who can't get them are probably the ones who wouldn't use them to kill people anyway.



I don't believe this is true. When I fill out the yellow form to buy a firearm, the only verbiage on it about a criminal record has to do with CONVICTIONS. They don't even address arrests.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1048059


Well try buying one having had even an ARREST, with no conviction. Trust me. Sen. Lautenberg introduced the law. Here's part of the wiki description:

"Therefore, if a person was represented by counsel, waived that right, AND, the person was entitled to a trial by jury, but also waived that right, the person shall not be considered to have been convicted if the conviction was expunged or set aside or had his civil rights (to bear arms) restored, UNLESS the further order of the court permanently revokes that right."

IOW, if a person is wrongfully arrested for battery, accepts a plea bargain for disturbing the peace, withheld judgement, and gets the charge "dismissed", then they will STILL not be able to ever own a gun.

Like Charles Dickens said, the law is an ass.

Now you know why I'm leaving Amerika.
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I should add, Idaho doesn't "expunge" cases, however I could own an Idaho-manufactured gun only, but we have none that I know of at the moment.
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Very bad idea!
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You must be joking...
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An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. - Robert A. Heinlein



No shit. Wanna meet the most polite people you will EVER MEET??? Go to a gun range.
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+1 and everone is equal
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Re: Arizona to allow concealed carry without permit
Very bad idea!

Typical lib.

Guns are OK for me, but everybody else is too stupid.


I concealed carry with a permit! I don't have an issue with people carrying legally, but just letting anyone carry without any sort of checks is not a good idea.



If you don't have an issue with people carrying legally, then you won't have everyone carrying concealed in Arizona - IT'S COMPLETELY LEGAL!


With zero checks on who is carrying so basically even criminals can carry legally and what happens when bar fights turn into gun fights.


I have to wonder anymore about the definition of "criminal" with the way the police are encouraged to arrest people. I am supposedly a "criminal" for a crime for which I was arrested but NEVER convicted. I can not own a gun forever now by virtue of being charged with a crime but not found guilty. I may be a single mom of two children not allowed to protect my family because of this stupid law. The real criminals carry guns and kill people. The ones who can't get them are probably the ones who wouldn't use them to kill people anyway.



I don't believe this is true. When I fill out the yellow form to buy a firearm, the only verbiage on it about a criminal record has to do with CONVICTIONS. They don't even address arrests.


Well try buying one having had even an ARREST, with no conviction. Trust me. Sen. Lautenberg introduced the law. Here's part of the wiki description:

"Therefore, if a person was represented by counsel, waived that right, AND, the person was entitled to a trial by jury, but also waived that right, the person shall not be considered to have been convicted if the conviction was expunged or set aside or had his civil rights (to bear arms) restored, UNLESS the further order of the court permanently revokes that right."

IOW, if a person is wrongfully arrested for battery, accepts a plea bargain for disturbing the peace, withheld judgement, and gets the charge "dismissed", then they will STILL not be able to ever own a gun.

Like Charles Dickens said, the law is an ass.

Now you know why I'm leaving Amerika.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 875198



Have you actually tried to buy a gun? Did they make the call? If you pleaded "No lo contendre" or some such shit, then you might be right, but if you aren't totally sure... I'd go to a gun shop and ask them to make the call - see if you're actually turned down.
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And another thing... if I couldn't own a gun, I might buy some box cutters and maybe a cross-bow. Those cross-bows are some nasty bastards and I don't think they count as a firearm, do they?
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Typical lib.

Guns are OK for me, but everybody else is too stupid.


I conceal carry with a permit! I don't have an issue with people carrying legally, but just letting anyone carry without any sort of checks is not a good idea.
 Quoting: Nikki_LaVey


Ummm, you'd think they would run a check before they even get their hands on a gun, right???? Concealed permit is just another way to rip you off
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Yea I guess your right, the 2nd amendment wasn't very important anyway right?

WE NEVER NEEDED PERMISSION TO CARRY ANYTHING, IT WAS PROVIDED FOR IN THE LITTLE KNOW CONSTITUTION AND IT'S AMENDMENTS!
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The 2nd amendment doesn't allow for conceal carry!
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An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. - Robert A. Heinlein
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Amen and thank you!
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The 2nd amendment doesn't allow for conceal carry!
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Says YOU. The way I read it, it DEMANDS IT!
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Yea I guess your right, the 2nd amendment wasn't very important anyway right?

WE NEVER NEEDED PERMISSION TO CARRY ANYTHING, IT WAS PROVIDED FOR IN THE LITTLE KNOW CONSTITUTION AND IT'S AMENDMENTS!


The 2nd amendment doesn't allow for conceal carry!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1044099

What part of "... shall not be infringed" don't you get? In plain sight or concealed, what does it matter? The right of the people to keep and bare arms shall not be infringed.
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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The Old West rides again. Yeah! After the guns bring back cowboy boots and ten gallon hats! What a bunch of yahoos. Wish I could post a Hop-a-long Cassidy icon.
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Why don't you just post your major metro, so the displaced hip-hoppers can find greener pastures?
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Nick, STFU, we've been able to carry on our hip or in our cars as long as it's visible forever.

This just give us one more right back in our state.
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Yea I guess your right, the 2nd amendment wasn't very important anyway right?

WE NEVER NEEDED PERMISSION TO CARRY ANYTHING, IT WAS PROVIDED FOR IN THE LITTLE KNOW CONSTITUTION AND IT'S AMENDMENTS!


The 2nd amendment doesn't allow for conceal carry!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1044099

Really? Can you point me to that part of the 2nd amendment? I don't remember reading that caveat in there.
It really is!

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Arizona to allow concealed carry without permit

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Just found out about this today. 5*s and a pin request.

New Mexico as a border state with Mexico should be doing the same but instead the legislature is voting on bills that will require background checks (eventually leading to universal checks and then registration), and assault weapon bans. Our governor is supposedly pro gun but said she'd sign the bills if they get to her desk...Sucks
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Just found out about this today.
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Almost 3 years after the fact?

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