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Transforming and transitioning the predator/prey dynamic...how WILL it be done?

 
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The predator/prey dynamic we survive through day in and day out is one of the most, if not the most, difficult aspects of human consciousness to transform, to come out from underneath the spell of, integrity intact. It is an epitome of our dualistic underpinnings inasmuch as it also describes/defines what we find to be right/wrong, black/white, dark/light, etc..

Now, I'm not referring to the predator/prey dynamic we find in nature (lion/gazelle, fox/rabbit, snake/rodent, etc.), nor am I referring to the concept of "survival of the fittest." These can be discussed as if they have revelationary application to our own spiritual predator/prey dynamic woes, yet wherein we are spiritual beings having a particularly structured human experience such a discussion will little lead to actually transforming the sight unseen predator/prey dynamic that "crisscrosses" the physical, consciousness, genetic structure, etheric-spirit, existing human being.

Such the descriptions and discussions serve only to define the predator/prey reality we live in, to recognize that it's through in and throughout our reality environment. While such discussions may serve as a stepping stone towards understanding our environment (and therefore having some value), it does nothing to bring about resolution to the issue of transforming and transitioning - becoming free of - such an inhospitable environment.

I explained all of the above to hopefully forgo such discussions because they will only serve to devolve and entropy my effort here. So, for the sake of this discussion I'm going to identify the predator/prey dynamic in question as such--

There exists an energetic infestation of predatory consciousness that is not unlike a virus, and we, in this hostile environment, are its intended hosts to prey on, to feed of, off, and from.

Describing these predators will do little more than the same as the discussion of how the predator/prey dynamic exists in nature, even so, I'll give some (there's surely more) examples to also get that out of the way:

STS ETs and hyperdimensional beings that exist outside of the confines of our reality are parasitic predators that require human energy to survive. They feed on base human emotions. They've lots of food to survive upon. They do everything possible to maintain the inhospitable environment to serve their own needs. They are a most "sight unseen" predator, and the hardest to prove.

The Devil/Satan is another form of an energetic/consciousness predator. This is not as sight unseen in our environment as the first (cause), and is less hard to prove. If ever you've done an "exorcism" (and I have) you know that devil-spawn, demons, are more than just fantasy. The Devil/Satan and its demonic army are consciousness structures that serve to befuddle and obfuscate a spiritual seeker's pathway to freedom. They're a little less sight unseen, but still, an exorcised demon is not a physical entity that can be bagged, tagged, and put on display as evidence. What we can bag, tag, and display as evidence is the "devil-lived" manifestation throughout our global social infrastructures, within political agendas, organized religion dogma, the economic lattice, the arts and letters and science arenas, etc..

Anymore it is so in our faces it's bitch slapping us, right out in the open.

There's also the notion that neither of the above actually have application because we, human consciousness (individual and collective), create our own reality. In other words, within this camp of thinking, to lay blame on a force outside of ourselves is to deny our own culpability and abnegate personal responsibility. This needs little explanation because it's so cut and dry.

I think there's something to be said for all of the above (if identifying source was the reason for the thread), yet wherein "the buck stops here" the later razors the edge between transform and transition...how WILL we - those of us seeking spiritual evolution - do this?

Does an inherent predator want for such transformation and transition? No, it does not. It has a survival of the fittest mentality. Do its prey want to eternally be its prey? No, during depredation the prey-set tends to die off, they haven't the resources for the will to live. Only if one is more predatory in nature than they're not, or if they've become comfortably numb as prey, does one sit still for a predatory/prey environment. Both responses serve to anesthetize personal access to growth inducing energy.

I've outlined the above identifiers of the predator/prey dynamic to get them right out of the way, right out of the gate. I've done this with the hope that the heart of the matter is what is discussed in this thread, and little else. What is at the heart of my matter here?

Reality as we know it is all about surviving - mere survival, at best, anymore - and I so want to thrive, fully and completely, without the machine of dualism running in the background. How about you?

Given this I return to the first sentence of this thread--


The predator/prey dynamic we survive through day in and day out is one of the most, if not the most, difficult aspects of human consciousness to transform...to come out from underneath the spell of, consciously.


The purpose for this thread is to attract interest in and stimulate discussion from those particular readers who are indeed seeking a pathway to liberation from this "eat or be eaten" consciousness mind-set. It's intended to exercise/exorcise our consciousnesses. To exercise a new form of consciousness, and exorcise another.

Wherein we, such spiritual seekers, are able to intellectualize that we are, so to speak, a "slice of heaven," that we are a substance of something more evolved than just what our reality involves, I sometimes feel it's an overwhelming task to transform and transition the predator/prey energy dynamic because its prevalence is like white-on-rice...it's profoundly difficult to shake off due to its experiential prevalence.

sigh This level of consciousness dynamic is not simply like a bug to be squashed, there's nothing easy about it. If it were but that easy I'd not be sitting here writing. Metaphorically speaking, my own and others' rolled up slag newspaper would've whacked the hell right out of it by now, annihilating it...but therein lies the sticky-wicket--

In order to transform and transition this consciousness dynamic we have to meet it on our shared common ground, without meeting it with its energy. Two bullies going at each other only makes for a bloody mess. While whacking at it, we only perpetuate it; the snake bites it's own tail, without a break.

So how WILL we do it?

How WILL we transform and transition the predator/prey consciousness without being either a predator or prey?

Of course I know that it requites neutrality. Yet, all the while neutrality is the high road and always suggested path walk to "handle" the dualism of our reality environment, how do I/we "make a move for it" without first making a choice that making a move is necessary? Does not that choice reflect a self-conscious based belief that something of the environment is not right, and is all wrong?

Do we not enter duality, under its terms, when we do this, and participate in what we don't want to be a part of?

But if we do not do at least something to find that crack in the plan that IS evolving, are we turning a blind eye to opportunity?


ahhh


Good grief...lol. What a conundrum.

Okay, so it may be the finest of line to walk while meting this out, but still we've a leg to stand on because this reality environment and its machinations we live in and through are not the end all and be all of existence in its farthest reaching scope. There is a space-time collapsed realm of existence, a consciousness territory where right and wrong and predator/prey dynamics dissolve. It's where the resolve to the conundrum is found.

(I'm getting this really cool explorer-energy feeling while writing this thread)

What I'm asking with this thread is for spiritual seekers to help me, to help myself...to help you, to help yourselves...to help us, to create that transforming pathway.

I'm asking you to brainstorm through your hearts (as am I) with all the love, care, and compassion you can muster (so as not to be bully-like) and find how we WILL transform and transition the higher ground where duality and all its myriad consciousness is dissolved.

It's a difficult query, yet if you explore as though it has already happened what do you come up with?

chuckle I don't know about you, but I had to stop and think about that question for a moment. Lol, I swear my three eyes went cross-eyed when I did.

Perhaps, myself included, we don't know how, right this second, to do this, at the get-go of the discussion. Perhaps such a joy seems unfathomable given the prevalence of predator/prey in our environment, but at the very least the discussion of such WILL open a consciousness door that states--

It is my/our intention that we WILL do it, we WILL transform and transition the predator/prey dynamic. It IS happening as we speak, because WE ARE AWARE it is possible.

Take your seeker-self into that space-time collapsed territory where all things are possible, thoughtfully. What becomes of that thoughtfulness? As a seeker and an explorer what do you "see," what do you "hear," what do you "feel" as your supra-consciousness enjoins you in discovery?

Heh, mine encouraged me to post this thread because I *think* I cannot do this alone. I was encouraged to do this because I am, in fact, not alone.

Also, I realize that if anyone actually takes up this effort it will require some time for thoughtfulness, introspection, meditation, and this thread will be slow to start. Of course, comment at any time, but if a solution were as easy as something garnered right off the tops of our heads and the tips of our fingers, we'd not be existing like we are, right now.

So after your thoughtfulness: What do you *think,* fellow evolutionary? How WILL we walk the walk, with integrity?
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It has and always will be like the animal kingdom itself. Pecking order.
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It has and always will be like the animal kingdom itself. Pecking order.
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My goodness, you are quite the speedy reader.

This is exactly the in-the-box kind of thinking I'd hoped to avoid, and the "animal kingdom itself" isn't a terminal destination.

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nice avatar.

Outside of genetic manipulation, we will always be like animals and even if we start manipulating the gene pool, I suspect the drive to be number one will only be enhanced in people, not lessoned, since that drive to be popular, famous, etc. is very important in most people. Hopefully we include some open mindedness, kindness, and humility as well!

We will always have animal impulses unless we do genetic engineering, however cultural influence can be extremely powerful and has the capability of transforming our species.
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Ooops. I hit the quote button instead of edit button.

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I appriciate your thread it speaks volumes
I think i know what you mean on some points
I am reacting to the quantity of the words
Could understand the esence of it
Though it sounds like you describe only the 'problem'
I think it is abit more than just that
Yea a road of wonder
Some words does seam to trigger a blocade
Such as - Deamon,spirit,entity,predator
But yea have to call it something
I am tired, am going to follow this one in the future
You hit some keys there
Allso duality in it self is a whole book of contradictions
Duality triggers black/white ying/yang budism
Budism triggers 'religion' paradox
Allso one thing, your audience is multi cultural and have probably had different upbringing/conditioning and most of all surtain words will trigger blocades because of media resonance
This one is for you OP
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What are their tools for control? These predators?

Control of money. That is the tool of serfdom. The belief that we "need" their money. That is falling by the wayside. We simply do not. We need it for THEIR system but not for a just system. Many are craving justice and just by energetically wanting it we're watching it happen. THEIR plans are having many unintended consequences. Their power is not as strong as they may have thought. The currency is the chain around our collective ankles. Free from that chain and we'll be pushed to new levels of thinking, imagining and reaching out to others. It will be a paradigm shift for many.

The other thing I would add is respect for free will. It's a must. If you believe you have the right to do anything you wish as long as it does not harm another, if you believe something that simple, then you need to extend that belief to ALL humans. When most have that realization then we see real change.
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I'm going to highlight some of the points in my opening post in order to respond to some of the thus far comments, and for clarity as to what my purpose is with this thread--


I've outlined the above identifiers of the predator/prey dynamic to get them right out of the way, right out of the gate. I've done this with the hope that the heart of the matter is what is discussed in this thread, and little else. What is at the heart of my matter here?

Reality as we know it is all about surviving - mere survival, at best, anymore - and I so want to thrive, fully and completely, without the machine of dualism running in the background. How about you?
 Quoting: Psemeni



Don't y'all have some-something inside of you that desires to thrive rather than just survive?

Am I REALLY alone in this?


The purpose for this thread is to attract interest in and stimulate discussion from those particular readers who are indeed seeking a pathway to liberation from this "eat or be eaten" consciousness mind-set. It's intended to exercise/exorcise our consciousnesses. To exercise a new form of consciousness, and exorcise another.
 Quoting: Psemeni



The above speaks for itself.


I'm asking you to brainstorm through your hearts (as am I) with all the love, care, and compassion you can muster (so as not to be bully-like) and find how we WILL transform and transition the higher ground where duality and all its myriad consciousness is dissolved.
 Quoting: Psemeni



Never at any point have I suggested (nor will) that anyone should hate on anyone else or the process. My pointing out the inequities of the predator/prey dynamic is not me hating on it, it's me identifying the obvious. If the obvious is hateful it's the dynamic that has created such.


There is a space-time collapsed realm of existence, a consciousness territory where right and wrong and predator/prey dynamics dissolve. It's where the resolve to the conundrum is found.
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Perhaps I dropped the ball on this one in my opening post. I wanted to include the following, but as you can see the opening post was already long, so I didn't go there. Now, I will.

As a Wanderer, as a many years active system buster, I often find myself at the leading edge of shifting reality/consciousness events. While I'm not alone in this, those that join me at that leading edge *seem* to be far and few between.

At that leading edge the Field of Potential - the consciousness territory where duality dissolves - is more available.

In the past, while during the shifts, this availability has been marked by just hours or days of access. The time frame windows have exponentially increased over time. This latest shift and availability to access/learn of/experience an open window to the Field of Potential lasted a solid two-three weeks. To describe this latest shift as profound is simply not to do it justice.

Trying to do a better job of this now, this is what I'm trying to convey to you and convey to you from a position and perspective of experience...that realm of consciousness wherein duality is dissolved is RIGHT AT THE EDGE OF OUR CONSCIOUSNESSES AT ALL TIMES...SEEK IT.

No matter how you or me are inclined - more predator-like, more prey-like, more neutral-like - it always surrounds us.

Tell me, please, why would it exist if not for a purpose?

For crying out loud, I'm asking you to think outside of the box...not to describe the box (I suffered through that chore enough for all of us), not to make excuses for our involvement inside the box, and not to damn the box all to Hell because there seemingly is just no other way to handle it.

sigh I've never much been one for passivity. Maybe it's my lack of passivity that has gotten me to the position of the leading edge where few seem to get to go. I'd like to think that it's been for more than just my personal gain. As I've before stated on another thread of mine: As a Wanderer I didn't return to this rabbit hole of a reality just to sit idly by and play Tiddly Winks. I came back to be a conduit of change, and this I will not stop being as long as I draw breath here.

I wanted to open this discussion for the purpose of reaching out beyond all the "just this" that our reality environment offers. I want to tell you that even if you've not before been able to access that hospitable realm of consciousness, it's all the same there. It's within you, ready and able for you to access.

I'm asking you to exercise your consciousness "flab" now so that not only are you delving into and exploring the Field of Potential for the sake of revelatory discussion here, I'm also doing this asking so that the next time a reality shift comes - and it will - you will be able to actively participate in the access to information/experience and to CREATE something better than "just this" that we know, because that creation already exists.

And that brings me to my final comment of this post--

Humanity is not alone. There is a greater intelligent, sophisticated, and elegant realm of existence and consciousness all around, and through in and throughout us. And all the while that greater realm intelligence is more responsible for the reality shifts than is anything else, our interactions within it are responded to.

I think we bear a responsibility to meet it all the way if we want better than "just this" for ourselves.

I had a dear friend look over my opening post yesterday before I posted it. He and I experienced the wonder of those recent two-three weeks of access together. Literally, it blew our doors, and that was such a good thing. We really learned a lot, but oddly enough it was mostly about learning how to learn about duality-collapsed.

One of the thoughts that kept coming to me over and over as we were discussing the writing, and he commenting "it is what it is," was this thought: God helps those who help themselves.

Heh, he suggested I not put that in my post because of the obvious pratfalls it might create by bringing the big G "God" into the mix of things. But today, I'm going to do it.

So as to avoid that obvious pratfall let's take God out of it--

_____ helps those who help themselves.

Fill in the blank.

If we as individuals do not help ourselves, then who WILL? Are you really that willing to stand idly by when you do have a choice to participate in something greater than just your "animal" mind, body, and spirit and your reality environment dictates that you may?

For god's sake, all I'm asking you to do is open your mind's thoughtfully and THINK constructively with what's right there for you to think through.

I ask you to do this because in the future it will serve you well. It will serve the SPIRITUAL evolution of Humanity, as well.

Again, being a part of the 3D "animal kingdom itself" isn't a terminal destination. Once you get this under your belts perhaps you also will not take such a passive stance.

And, verysad I do apologize for the rant. I'm sorry to get all up in arms. I won't do this again.
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Psemeni,

We will have the choice to move around inside the yin + yang "where ever" we want.

It will be our choice of creation.

This does not mean the predator/prey dynamic wont happen.

I personally have learnd how to avoid the dynamic as a whole, mostly because of godlikeproduction.com

If you dont give the predator energy to feed off of, what can that predator do?

Am I heading in the right direction Psemeni?

Sorry I havnt read through the whole thread.

I will though...

afro
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Psemeni,

We will have the choice to move around inside the yin + yang "where ever" we want.

It will be our choice of creation.

This does not mean the predator/prey dynamic wont happen.

I personally have learnd how to avoid the dynamic as a whole, mostly because of godlikeproduction.com

If you dont give the predator energy to feed off of, what can that predator do?

Am I heading in the right direction Psemeni?

Sorry I havnt read through the whole thread.

I will though...


afro
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hi Hey there, OneMind.

Please do read through it, and then, if you will, please explain to me what you think I'm trying to accomplish here in this thread. If you'll take the time to do this I'll know whether or not the message I'm trying to convey is coming through loud and clear. It will be most helpful, lovey!

hf And thank you, if you do.
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I'm going to highlight some of the points in my opening post in order to respond to some of the thus far comments, and for clarity as to what my purpose is with this thread--



I've outlined the above identifiers of the predator/prey dynamic to get them right out of the way, right out of the gate. I've done this with the hope that the heart of the matter is what is discussed in this thread, and little else. What is at the heart of my matter here?

Reality as we know it is all about surviving - mere survival, at best, anymore - and I so want to thrive, fully and completely, without the machine of dualism running in the background. How about you?


Don't y'all have some-something inside of you that desires to thrive rather than just survive?

Am I REALLY alone in this?



The purpose for this thread is to attract interest in and stimulate discussion from those particular readers who are indeed seeking a pathway to liberation from this "eat or be eaten" consciousness mind-set. It's intended to exercise/exorcise our consciousnesses. To exercise a new form of consciousness, and exorcise another.


The above speaks for itself.



I'm asking you to brainstorm through your hearts (as am I) with all the love, care, and compassion you can muster (so as not to be bully-like) and find how we WILL transform and transition the higher ground where duality and all its myriad consciousness is dissolved.


Never at any point have I suggested (nor will) that anyone should hate on anyone else or the process. My pointing out the inequities of the predator/prey dynamic is not me hating on it, it's me identifying the obvious. If the obvious is hateful it's the dynamic that has created such.



There is a space-time collapsed realm of existence, a consciousness territory where right and wrong and predator/prey dynamics dissolve. It's where the resolve to the conundrum is found.


Perhaps I dropped the ball on this one in my opening post. I wanted to include the following, but as you can see the opening post was already long, so I didn't go there. Now, I will.

As a Wanderer, as a many years active system buster, I often find myself at the leading edge of shifting reality/consciousness events. While I'm not alone in this, those that join me at that leading edge *seem* to be far and few between.

At that leading edge the Field of Potential - the consciousness territory where duality dissolves - is more available.

In the past, while during the shifts, this availability has been marked by just hours or days of access. The time frame windows have exponentially increased over time. This latest shift and availability to access/learn of/experience an open window to the Field of Potential lasted a solid two-three weeks. To describe this latest shift as profound is simply not to do it justice.

Trying to do a better job of this now, this is what I'm trying to convey to you and convey to you from a position and perspective of experience...that realm of consciousness wherein duality is dissolved is RIGHT AT THE EDGE OF OUR CONSCIOUSNESSES AT ALL TIMES...SEEK IT.

No matter how you or me are inclined - more predator-like, more prey-like, more neutral-like - it always surrounds us.

Tell me, please, why would it exist if not for a purpose?

For crying out loud, I'm asking you to think outside of the box...not to describe the box (I suffered through that chore enough for all of us), not to make excuses for our involvement inside the box, and not to damn the box all to Hell because there seemingly is just no other way to handle it.

sigh I've never much been one for passivity. Maybe it's my lack of passivity that has gotten me to the position of the leading edge where few seem to get to go. I'd like to think that it's been for more than just my personal gain. As I've before stated on another thread of mine: As a Wanderer I didn't return to this rabbit hole of a reality just to sit idly by and play Tiddly Winks. I came back to be a conduit of change, and this I will not stop being as long as I draw breath here.

I wanted to open this discussion for the purpose of reaching out beyond all the "just this" that our reality environment offers. I want to tell you that even if you've not before been able to access that hospitable realm of consciousness, it's all the same there. It's within you, ready and able for you to access.

I'm asking you to exercise your consciousness "flab" now so that not only are you delving into and exploring the Field of Potential for the sake of revelatory discussion here, I'm also doing this asking so that the next time a reality shift comes - and it will - you will be able to actively participate in the access to information/experience and to CREATE something better than "just this" that we know, because that creation already exists.

And that brings me to my final comment of this post--

Humanity is not alone. There is a greater intelligent, sophisticated, and elegant realm of existence and consciousness all around, and through in and throughout us. And all the while that greater realm intelligence is more responsible for the reality shifts than is anything else, our interactions within it are responded to.

I think we bear a responsibility to meet it all the way if we want better than "just this" for ourselves.

I had a dear friend look over my opening post yesterday before I posted it. He and I experienced the wonder of those recent two-three weeks of access together. Literally, it blew our doors, and that was such a good thing. We really learned a lot, but oddly enough it was mostly about learning how to learn about duality-collapsed.

One of the thoughts that kept coming to me over and over as we were discussing the writing, and he commenting "it is what it is," was this thought: God helps those who help themselves.

Heh, he suggested I not put that in my post because of the obvious pratfalls it might create by bringing the big G "God" into the mix of things. But today, I'm going to do it.

So as to avoid that obvious pratfall let's take God out of it--

_____ helps those who help themselves.

Fill in the blank.

If we as individuals do not help ourselves, then who WILL? Are you really that willing to stand idly by when you do have a choice to participate in something greater than just your "animal" mind, body, and spirit and your reality environment dictates that you may?

For god's sake, all I'm asking you to do is open your mind's thoughtfully and THINK constructively with what's right there for you to think through.

I ask you to do this because in the future it will serve you well. It will serve the SPIRITUAL evolution of Humanity, as well.

Again, being a part of the 3D "animal kingdom itself" isn't a terminal destination. Once you get this under your belts perhaps you also will not take such a passive stance.

And, verysad I do apologize for the rant. I'm sorry to get all up in arms. I won't do this again.
 Quoting: Psemeni



I swear you are one of the most educated eloquent posters on GLP..I always enjoy your posts even tho we got off to a rocky start on SS`s thread I do find your threads awsome and well put together..almost like poetry..Guess I should have finished college...:)

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Very interesting thread

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I swear you are one of the most educated eloquent posters on GLP..I always enjoy your posts even tho we got off to a rocky start on SS`s thread I do find your threads awsome and well put together..almost like poetry..Guess I should have finished college...:)

peace
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Oh, lovey, I don't think we got off to a rocky start, it was just ME having a rocky time within myself. I'm sorry you've had that impression. It honestly didn't have anything to do with you.

And thank you for the remarks about my threads, but it seems as though I'm somehow failing with this one given I've seen remarks about my effort here that basically amount to me being charged with promoting or advocating escapism.

I don't know if it's projection on the part of others (because I sure as heck know it's not a reflection of my awareness), or if my heart just isn't shining through within my words like it normally does.

I do know these are difficult times and that it can be even harder to see beyond such...well, perhaps one day in the future this thread's purpose will have more application than it does now.



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"We just walked right through all the stones, all the bottles, and whatever they threw. We have won a major Victory."

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If anything I don`t think alot of people on here realize what you are saying. I think perhaps there is only a handfull of people who have REALLY experienced or undertsand what your saying..it is pretty deep stuff..and like you stated above this would probably be a slow starter because a person would really have to do some soul searching to put up a honest reply...I`ve read it all once but will have to read it again at home where it`s quiet and I can absorb it more thouroughly....BTW--Love your Nickleback link. We just saw them a few months ago here in Kansas...What a great concert. Here is another one of my favs..Take care...

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so aliens are evil energy parasites. excellent. i'm scared. thank you.

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so aliens are evil energy parasites. excellent. i'm scared. thank you.

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I think you need to slow down and reread the original post...wish I had time to go into this further...at least in how I read it...basically it`s the "nature" of things...

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so aliens are evil energy parasites. excellent. i'm scared. thank you.

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I think you need to slow down and reread the original post...wish I had time to go into this further...at least in how I read it...basically it`s the "nature" of things...
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Yes, you're reading it correctly, Look'n.

Also, I'm fairly sure the AC responder isn't being totally upfront. I may be wrong, but their post wreaks of agenda to me.
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"We just walked right through all the stones, all the bottles, and whatever they threw. We have won a major Victory."

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You use the term " leading edge" are you a Hicks/Abraham fan?
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so aliens are evil energy parasites. excellent. i'm scared. thank you.

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I think you need to slow down and reread the original post...wish I had time to go into this further...at least in how I read it...basically it`s the "nature" of things...



Yes, you're reading it correctly, Look'n.

Also, I'm fairly sure the AC responder isn't being totally upfront. I may be wrong, but their post wreaks of agenda to me.
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guard up, trust gone :/
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I would suggest for people to not focus primarily on red through yellow ray activities and increase/develop green. Anything negative has no use for green (heart) energy.

They love sexual energy when it remains in orange or yellow. And often people are just discharging it, losing their energy because they are not familiar with how their sexual energy works.
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You use the term " leading edge" are you a Hicks/Abraham fan?
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Can you link me to their info?, because I'm not sure who they are.

If I remember correctly it was just last week someone mentioned one of these names, Abraham, I think it was...anyway, if you can direct me to some of their info I'd be grateful. I could then tell you if I'm using the term "leading edge" in the same way.

Thanks.
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You use the term " leading edge" are you a Hicks/Abraham fan?



Can you link me to their info?, because I'm not sure who they are.

If I remember correctly it was just last week someone mentioned one of these names, Abraham, I think it was...anyway, if you can direct me to some of their info I'd be grateful. I could then tell you if I'm using the term "leading edge" in the same way.

Thanks.
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[link to www.abraham-hicks.com]

They've been around since the 80s. Probably have a lot of videos on youtube. They like to use the term "leading edge" often.
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[link to www.abraham-hicks.com]

They've been around since the 80s. Probably have a lot of videos on youtube. They like to use the term "leading edge" often.
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Thank you. And I fully agree with you about going through the heart center. That's why I asked people if they'd brainstorm through their hearts/heart centers.

You'll never find me suggesting folks use sexual energy to discern what's what.
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I would suggest for people to not focus primarily on red through yellow ray activities and increase/develop green. Anything negative has no use for green (heart) energy.

They love sexual energy when it remains in orange or yellow. And often people are just discharging it, losing their energy because they are not familiar with how their sexual energy works.
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So true. Think of how your chakras align when you are doing it.
The only way to really amp up the heart chakra energy is --
the missionary way !

If humans were aware of what was feeding off of them when they get sexual,
they would be stunned.
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Some predators do want to change.
But they seem to be part of a hive mind complex,
which is just so used to feeding itself on us,
and they're afraid that if they 'disconnect' they will die.
This is what the hive mind feeds into its members.

The problem for the predators is how to disconnect
without being punished by 'death'. The problem for the prey
is how to connect with others without becoming another hive mind.

Thanks for a very interesting post !
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perhaps to the human psyche the 2 is seen as 2

caused by having 0 and 1 before 2

perhaps this is the cause of associated entities of humankinds acting as 1 or the other 1 of the 2

perhaps all else knows there is no 0 or 1 therefore, knows the 2 but knows enough to feel the 1 effect

if the is true, all will be well
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Hm, what we need? Truth.
Lets define Truth - unmovable, permanent.

Now we need a tool to discern non-truth from truth.
The tool is "who am I?".

Who is this 'I' which rises in this body?
Could this body be it? Body does not speak by itself, it is insentient, and even when we sleep where is the body and the world? Btw, body changes constantly.
Could this 'I' be the mind? Well, does this mind stay permanent even for a minute? It is changing even more rapidly.
What is the mind? A bundle of thoughts, apart from it where is the mind?
I say 'I', but isn't this I merely a thought too?
No thoughts and worlds can start without first 'I' as the Seer of those worlds and thoughts. So 'I-thought' is the culprit. On what basis does 'I' survive? On the "I-AM-THE-BODY" idea it survives. Look closely absolutely all society is based on the 'i-am-the-body' idea which is limited, diseased and untrue.
Again, consciousness is as it is, silent, it does not need to say anything nor does it need any enlightenment. Body is insentient, it does not speak nor does it want something or don't want something. So, between living and non-living arises a KNOT an "I-thought" based on "I-am-the-body" idea. It is not a mere philosophy this knot forms on the right side of the chest and is one of the four knots that binds consciousness and matter. But it does not matter, for what we are after is not body and its mechanism.
We, which now operate as a mere thought, a fragment of the whole, must be after the Source of "I" / "me". We must merge. What is the source of all thoughts? I. Who am I? Dare to find it if you can! No you cannot, for after this question this 'I' with all the thoughts and stories collapses even if it is only for few seconds. Now trace this 'I' to the source with one-pointed focus, you will find whence everything arises.
You are That.

Hold the thinker.
Seek the Seeker.
Know the Knower.
Doubt the Doubter.

Give full 100% attention to your own being. You will be amazed how far this question can carry you, for it will show and reveal everything. Honesty and supreme braveness is essential, for many unconscious and hidden tendencies will arise to try to bring you back into illusion.
You know, it is like in the dream, when you suddenly become aware for a moment that maybe you are dreaming, the mind instantly tells how it is not a dream. It is same with this so called "waking" state, which is not a waking at all.

So, the purpose of this question is not to repeat it always, though in the beginning intellect will question "to whom do these thoughts arise... who is eating now... who is walking..." the answer would be spontaneous "I", then "who is this I?" and attention goes back deepening inward. The essence is to bring back running attention(mind), which runs after many things, and point it inwards. This is so far the intellect can go, after that only Grace operates and makes the ground for the shift in the consciousness. Mind is only tool and it must be seen as such. Now it is the master of humanity. But not for long...
When the running mind gets used to sitting still it will naturally drop all the attachments and desires. Since such practice eliminates various knots and purifies the mind at some point it will make to be known that outward pointed mind results in Ego, objects to be seen etc, and turned inwards it is Self itself, God itself (pure consciousness). This question and surrendering to God is not-different. One surrenders all his problems totally 100% and lives in the present fully 100%, can one let go totally? Even of the body sense?... Sooner or later all souls will face this question. And all souls are destined to realize God. EVERY SINGLE ONE.

Don't play dream games too much. One can do yoga, can do that practice, can do this practice, but does it make any difference when you wake up? It was all in the dream, and did it make actually you to wake up? No. It can make path easier and so on. But the one who goes on path, the path itself and the goal is in the dream framework. Only That which is out of this dream can wake you up. And That is essential part of You, it is Guru of Gurus, your own precious Self which pulls you inward, outer Gurus only push you from outside. All yogas, religions, all in all paths leads to the last question "Who Am I?", but we can play a trick, we can go directly to this question, this question is the path and the goal at the same time.
You just get on the train and don't need to know anything else what is happening along this path, you live everything to Consciousness and live at ease.
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Of course I know that it requites neutrality. Yet, all the while neutrality is the high road and always suggested path walk to "handle" the dualism of our reality environment, how do I/we "make a move for it" without first making a choice that making a move is necessary? Does not that choice reflect a self-conscious based belief that something of the environment is not right, and is all wrong?

Do we not enter duality, under its terms, when we do this, and participate in what we don't want to be a part of?

But if we do not do at least something to find that crack in the plan that IS evolving, are we turning a blind eye to opportunity?

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How can you enter duality from a state of neutrality?
Born into this World
We create echoes of our inward yearnings
And Shift along the Axis
From matter to Spirit
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guard up, trust gone :/
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Yes, well, you generated that all on your own with this post--


so aliens are evil energy parasites. excellent. i'm scared. thank you.

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Is this seriously the first time in your life you've ever been exposed to any kind of information that stated that there are energy-parasitic aliens/hyperdimensionals?

And just for clarification to those reading this thread, in case it's needed, I do not believe that all ETs or interdimensional entities are predators.
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perhaps to the human psyche the 2 is seen as 2

caused by having 0 and 1 before 2

perhaps this is the cause of associated entities of humankinds acting as 1 or the other 1 of the 2

perhaps all else knows there is no 0 or 1 therefore, knows the 2 but knows enough to feel the 1 effect

if the is true, all will be well
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if that were true , one can imagine a natural containment of the radiated signals from the human psyche whilst those signals conflicted with all else would be ....

Is this seriously the first time in your life you've ever been exposed to any kind of information that stated that there are energy-parasitic aliens/hyperdimensionals?

And just for clarification to those reading this thread, in case it's needed, I do not believe that all ETs or interdimensional entities are predators.
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...contained by the naturaly occuring manifesting of "parasites" absorbing the radiated signals for as long as they radiated...
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Wow...I'm going to have to come back to this...having just seen it today...

I feel I need to address this in a few different ways because Psemeni...I have a great deal of respect for you...you know I feel kindred toward you and my first reaction when I read your post was one of complete shock.

Not new concepts to me the whole "alien entity" thing but I'm completely taken by surprise when this is assigned a good vs evil kind of script like there is a major difference between the two...when in fact each are just a part of one whole...

I will re-read it later when I can afford more focus on it but for now...just wanted to pop in and say wow...I can say the last two weeks have energetically been WEIRD to say the least...I have had a major shift in perception about many things...but I feel the issue you brought up here is really one worth a good deal of discussion...

hf

Can't wait to get into it...

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