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REPLACING MEDICINES WITH NATURAL REMEDIES START WITH THYROXIN!!!!

 
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o.K. everyone -- just did a bit more research and this is what I found ...

Iodine and Iodide are the necessary components...

-- Iodine we know what that is -- buy iodised salt

Iodide ?? Have to look that up

SELENIUM -- found in wheat germ, butter, and garlic but can be bought at the health food store in bulk -- is recommended because SELENIUM enhances the conversion of the inactive thyroid T4 into the active thyroid T3....

Keep trucking.... we will crack this baby....
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I would love to find a non-prescription alternative to Synthroid.



alternative hormone replacement therapy , natural ingredients (pig offcourse)

[link to www.armourthyroid.com]


Or you can try Homeopathic Iodates and other thyroid related remedies like Thyrodium etc...



Armour is by prescription only.

I'll read up on the others you mention.

TY
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In My situation, Graves Disease caused severe HYPERthyroidism & I got it nuked so I HAVE to take Synthroid everyday or Im F''d.

IF I cant get Amour Pig Thyroid from a doctor, what else can I get if no drugs are available?

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Haven't read the entire thread but just wanted to share my journey...

I have Hashimotos and have had it since I was 8 years old, following a case of Mononucleousis.

I have been to Naturopaths, had food allergy tests done, have tried EVERYTHING out there and am still struggling.

For MOST people with Hashimotos (which is a severe underactive Thyroid) you need to take BOTH T4 (Levoxil) AND T3 (Cytomil) in order to balance your Thyroid.

I am allergic to Iodine, so I cannot take Kelp; I eat Iodized salt, but that's it.

About 15 years ago I tried being a Vegetarian, and of course ate ALL the wrong things for the Thyroid, which made it even worse and caused me to develop Hashimoto's.

The problem with Armour is that it is NOT a regulated doseage; I know the company that makes it will disagree, but that is the truth and I am a living example of that. About four years ago I wanted to get off synthroid (it does not work for me at all) and I switched to Armour. It helped for a while, but I continued to deteriorate to the point of developing Hashimoto's.

Let me be clear and say I was raised on Mountain Spring Water with NO Flouride. Of course through the years as an adult I moved around the country and didn't know anything about flouride and I'm sure have drunk my fair share. For the past five 1/2 years however, I have been fluoride free in my water and all dental products, so that cannot be the cause for the deterioration. I truly believe it is because the drugs to treat it are not guaranteed perfect dosages.

I have also been taking mineral supplements and eating organic for the past 10 years, so getting enough Selenium and detoxing the body as well.

As to family history, that is a big mystery to me as I am adopted, so that may well BE the cause for me.

But the cure is illusive and right now I am trying to find a new doctor to re-up my script as I'm out and I'm really suffering. Those who don't have this problem cannot possibly understand what it's like, but for me aside from the fatigue, EVERY muscle in my body feels like it has concrete wrapped around it, my skin is super dry and itchy with patches that look like I have ezcema, hair is limp, and of course the weight gain is just unbelievable, not to mention the unmentionable of digestive problems. The whole system just grinds to a halt.

But I want to close in stressing that IF you have this problem, and you are NOT taking BOTH T4 AND T3, you need to get your doctor to do a blood test for both or you are NOT really treating the problem. They work hand in hand and I believe it's the medical establishments "dirty little secret" about Thyroid in not testing T3, because without the Cytomil, you will progress much faster to Hashimoto's and beyond...
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I forgot to add that I've tried all the "natural" products from various supplement manufacturers and none of them do anything for me at this point.

Someone who is just diagnosed and has a very low dosage of medication might be able to benefit, but for me with Hashimoto's they do nothing.
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I agree OP, I would love to find a natural alternative.
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On one hand, I am grateful that the synthetic hormone replacement has helped me a lot, but on the other, I hate the idea of taking a pill everyday for the rest of my life and being tied to a doctor like this.

I am doing everything I can in terms of lifestyle to help, but I really wish there was a cure, not just a lifelong maintenance regime.

I quit coffee. Drastically cut back on tobacco. Eliminated virtually all processed foods from my diet. Use almond or rice milk in my cooking and smoothies. Use an iodine supplement, etc.,etc. etc., blah, blah, blah. But in the end, I still need the hormone replacement.

Wish I could find about a 10 year supply on the black market.
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Taking that fake HRT stuff that doctors palm off onto us is asking for more problems down the road. You don't have to be tied to a doctor forever.

It sounds to me that your hormones need to be tested for insufficiency. I suggest you do some reading on Progesterone. NatPro is one of the very top brands and I suggest you try these links:

[link to www.hormone-healthy.com]

[link to www.hormone-healthy.com]

[link to progesterone-cream.progesteronetherapy.com]

Those links have very good information. I bought my supply here:

[link to www.renewalenterprises.com]

Dr. Hotze has a radio show every day at noon CST for Health and Wellness Solutions, and a website you can read:

[link to www.drhotze.com]

I think there is a toll-free number at the above link that you can call, too, to get some advice.

Men need progesterone, too! They can get an overload of estrogen that can give them grief just as it can women. Progesterone is the "mother of all hormones". See what it does to breast cancer cells. :)

When everything else fails, get tested for all of them by a doctor that specializes in them. You'd be surprised that the symptoms most of us are experiencing are caused by a hormone imbalance as a result of environmental factors.
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I am male.

My doctor refuses to prescribe Armour.
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I am male.

My doctor refuses to prescribe Armour.
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That's really Weird... for WHAT reason???
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I am male.

My doctor refuses to prescribe Armour.

That's really Weird... for WHAT reason???
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Probably because his physician recognizes the continual nationwide shortage that has plagued Pharmacies throughout the past few years and doesn't want to go through the hassle of stabilizing a patient on Armour Thyroid only to have to cyclically rechallenge on an alternative product like leovthyroxine (Levoxyl, Synthroid, etc.) every few months
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Ac Hashimotos and your journey -- sorry to hear your story.. will take your advice and get both T4 and T3 checked.. One tends to leave it all to the doctor - thank the heavens we have GOOGLE and GLP where we can discuss what has worked and what hasnt worked....
Researching this a.m. discovered that Iodide is an atom of Iodine - interesting but not very helpful...
I had thought of trying to eliminate fluoride - but even when showering you are absorbing it...so it seems a bit futile...
Have a sneaky feeling that I might be overdosing on estrogen - will ask for a blood test to check this.. Read that too much estrogen is conterproductive..... I had reached a serious stage whenmy Thyroid disorder was discovered. - swelling of the ankles, dry skin, balance was awful,tired all the time, and big welts under my eyes - numbness in my feet.
Felt just weird.....
Must say that the little pill has made a world of difference but I would love to try and supply my thyroid with natural healing ..
Vitamin D has been good for me.... cool2
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Some more researched info...
Bladderwack Extract stimulates the Thyroid.. This is an algae plant found in the ocean - prevalent in Asian diets and loaded with IODINE - POTASSIUM - MAGNESIUM - AND BETA CAROTINE

Asians have a low rate of thyroid problems........

Im wondering if Bladderwack is that rubbery kind of brownish/reddish seaweed that washes up on the beach -- I would like to know if it is easy to get yourself.

Well back to the drawing board!!!
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Tyrosine B vitamin found in wheat, egg whites, and oats together with Iodine and Selenium should help to revitalise the Thyroid.... Im getting closer to ridding myself of pills....Yayyyyy!!!!!
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Check out Edgar Cayce who suggested using Atomidine.
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If pharmacists and medical facilities ran short of Thyroxin what would you take to replace it? I think we had better start invetigating other sources of medicines... There is the possibility of no drugs and tht could be serious for many......
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Irregardless,
..the consumption of pharmaceuticals is required in order to receive government handouts..there is no substituting of safer natural remedies. Insurance won't pay for fish oil and B vitamins

..it's about money of course and genocide. In a Weimar America, the pushers and the bankers are the same and they and their puppets rule the game!
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I am male.

My doctor refuses to prescribe Armour.

That's really Weird... for WHAT reason???


Probably because his physician recognizes the continual nationwide shortage that has plagued Pharmacies throughout the past few years and doesn't want to go through the hassle of stabilizing a patient on Armour Thyroid only to have to cyclically rechallenge on an alternative product like leovthyroxine (Levoxyl, Synthroid, etc.) every few month

Actually, he said something about antibodies and gradual resistance to the porcine product.
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If pharmacists and medical facilities ran short of Thyroxin what would you take to replace it? I think we had better start invetigating other sources of medicines... There is the possibility of no drugs and tht could be serious for many......


Irregardless,
..the consumption of pharmaceuticals is required in order to receive government handouts..there is no substituting of safer natural remedies. Insurance won't pay for fish oil and B vitamins

..it's about money of course and genocide. In a Weimar America, the pushers and the bankers are the same and they and their puppets rule the game!
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Thanks for your post... It brings up a good point... B vitamins and other vitamin tablets are really, really expensive over here too - yes you are right on -they are not covered by Insurance...So TPTB do have us by the short and curly... thats why I am on this pilgrimage- Im trying to suss out natural products from the land and the sea.. My personal belief is that when the SHTF-- we, who are dependent on pills for life, are going to have to scrounge around in nature to find what is necessary to keep us going...
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I am male.

My doctor refuses to prescribe Armour.

That's really Weird... for WHAT reason???


Probably because his physician recognizes the continual nationwide shortage that has plagued Pharmacies throughout the past few years and doesn't want to go through the hassle of stabilizing a patient on Armour Thyroid only to have to cyclically rechallenge on an alternative product like leovthyroxine (Levoxyl, Synthroid, etc.) every few month

Actually, he said something about antibodies and gradual resistance to the porcine product.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 977661


Yes and also just read that with Armour it is hard to get the right dosage... whether that is true or not I couldnt say...
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96% of people tested in the USA are Iodine deficient.
The main contributing factor is this is lacking in food - toxins in the environment are another problem- hormone imbalances etc.. The worst toxin is fluoride. Even if we began drinking spring water that would be a start.. I suppose.. I have always been a strong advocate for getting in a tank to catch rain-water. There are many advantages but again you would wonder if there would be pollutants in the rain water..anyone take a stab at that....

So far I have realised that Iodine is the first requisite needed then Tyrosine found in egg whites,oats and wheat and selenium whch I am taking in tablet form at present but I i know it is a natural product too. Will ask around..

I am going to talk to my GP (really nice and called Gerry Macguire - you would never forget that name !!!!) I will ask him if I could go off the pill for a month and try these other natural ingredients -take another blood test and see if I have rectified the problem --- Its worth a try>>>>
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Check out Edgar Cayce who suggested using Atomidine.
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Atomidine - where would I check for this in the Cayce readings - what is it ?
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Atominide is now frequently referred to as "nascent" or "magnascent" iodine.

Here is a decent website describing it:

[link to www.thyroidnascentiodine.com]

I have been using it for several years.
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If pharmacists and medical facilities ran short of Thyroxin what would you take to replace it? I think we had better start invetigating other sources of medicines... There is the possibility of no drugs and tht could be serious for many......
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There has been a shortage of armour thyroid for almost two years now. I must get mine overseas.
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Atominide is now frequently referred to as "nascent" or "magnascent" iodine.

Here is a decent website describing it:

[link to www.thyroidnascentiodine.com]

I have been using it for several years.
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Hmmm.. Thanks for that --- I just read your referred article on 'nascent iodine'... My question now is can I get it here in Australia... Something for me to investigate -
I see I can buy it online but I will look around first... In a way it means being dependent on a man madE medicine but I AM CETAINLY GOING TO LOOK INTO THIS...
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hi

BRAIL NUTS have a very high content of SELLENIUM also can get it in other nuts = spinach (silver beet) and red meat...
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Sorry that should have read BRAZIL NUTS....... tounge
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Will continue on - there seems to be quite a few readers -

O.K. it had to happen - an OPRAH connection!! .. Dr Northrup on an OPRAH show (Oprah apparently has HYPOTHYROIDISM )said------
"this is your souls way of bringing deeper insights to your attention - while good nutrition exercise and self care are certainly part of overall good health - they are not likely to cure your thyroid condition.' According to the Dr. -- In many women disfunction develops because of an energy blockage in the THROAT region, the result of 'swallowing' words one is aching to say. In the name of preserving harmony or because these women have learned to live relatively helpless members of their families or social group, they have learned to stifle their self-expression.... Dr.Cristine Northrup says Thyroid disease is related to expressing your feelings....

What does everyone think about that???

In my case I see some validity to this ..

Fortunately I always did have another route to express myself when I was growing up -- I was a singer - then a teacher, but at home parents rarely spoke to each other and never to us two children... I then went to Canada and married a man who never spoke either, tho brilliant he would never talk to me,a form of control I believe butI was teaching so the throat chakra( speaking your TRUTH) was O.K Then when husband died,back to Australia to look after two silent aging parents... Did tutoring on the side so still speaking and then on my own for years and so I think the conversing with others became less and less.. loneliness set in... Could be an answer -Im just saying....

Not in every case because children can also get this ...

Today paid for a book -- The Hypothyroid Solution -- looks like a good source of information -- will quote bits and pieces..... Cheers....
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Great thread. I had my thyroid removed years ago and I'm on the Synthroid regimen for the rest of my life. I've also been trying to find an alternative to Synthroid- esp. if TSHTF and it's no longer available. I'd love to hear some ideas about this. hf
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penguin

Will continue on - there seems to be quite a few readers -

O.K. it had to happen - an OPRAH connection!! .. Dr Northrup on an OPRAH show (Oprah apparently has HYPOTHYROIDISM )said------
"this is your souls way of bringing deeper insights to your attention - while good nutrition exercise and self care are certainly part of overall good health - they are not likely to cure your thyroid condition.' According to the Dr. -- In many women disfunction develops because of an energy blockage in the THROAT region, the result of 'swallowing' words one is aching to say. In the name of preserving harmony or because these women have learned to live relatively helpless members of their families or social group, they have learned to stifle their self-expression.... Dr.Cristine Northrup says Thyroid disease is related to expressing your feelings....

What does everyone think about that???

In my case I see some validity to this ..

Fortunately I always did have another route to express myself when I was growing up -- I was a singer - then a teacher, but at home parents rarely spoke to each other and never to us two children... I then went to Canada and married a man who never spoke either, tho brilliant he would never talk to me,a form of control I believe butI was teaching so the throat chakra( speaking your TRUTH) was O.K Then when husband died,back to Australia to look after two silent aging parents... Did tutoring on the side so still speaking and then on my own for years and so I think the conversing with others became less and less.. loneliness set in... Could be an answer -Im just saying....

Not in every case because children can also get this ...

Today paid for a book -- The Hypothyroid Solution -- looks like a good source of information -- will quote bits and pieces..... Cheers....
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Ok, not to make light of the mind/body connection, but this seems like a deflection from environmental toxins and the crap in our food. Consider the typical woman/wife/mother using all of the MSM household and hygiene products and feeding her family on the SAD(sick american diet. The amount of endocrine disruptors that she is exposed to on a daily basis would play a far more significant role in her physical health. Just my opinion.
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Yes -- I do take the environment into consideration too. Thats why this subject is so fascinating- altho Im not making light of it either.... In this book, Ive just bought, he mentions that computers are a factor. Havent read it yet however..
I know that a house can actually be toxic in itself.. Carpets are giving off a chemical substance I beleive..
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Cant help you re Synthroid.. maybe we can all discover a simple way to get our thyroids healthy again Im trying...
I also believe that a crunch time is coming... IN SOME RESPECTS GOING BACK TO LIVING OFF THE LAND - A NON TOXIC ENVIRONMENT - pure water - more physical hard work - early to bed - esrly to rise kind of living might be all we need... Cheers. Thanks for compliment by the way - we are all in this together....
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Some more researched info...
Bladderwack Extract stimulates the Thyroid.. This is an algae plant found in the ocean - prevalent in Asian diets and loaded with IODINE - POTASSIUM - MAGNESIUM - AND BETA CAROTINE

Asians have a low rate of thyroid problems........

Im wondering if Bladderwack is that rubbery kind of brownish/reddish seaweed that washes up on the beach -- I would like to know if it is easy to get yourself.

Well back to the drawing board!!!
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I was about to say no, that's kelp, but upon googling found they are one and the same! I've been taking kelp for borderline hypothyroidism and eliminated soy, and have not gone back for blood tests yet but my neck looks smaller (possibly the thyroid was inflamed?) and I no longer have that lump-in-the-throat feeling. Had to start the kelp very slowly, cutting the tablets into quarters.

[link to www.nutriherb.net]
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Thanks for that poster... So Bladderwack and kelp are the same thing.. I watched a programme one night where this young woman made something called Lava Bread -from this kind of dark rubbery seawed stuff that they gathered off the beach....Everyone said it tasted quite nice. Unfortunatley I missed where she actually did the cooking so dont know if she added things to it.....

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