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Incoherent Emotions<<<>>>Coherence Emerging

 
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Our emotions are incoherent to other species because of the fantasies we place inside the human condition...an example of this is fear...that emotion alone causes many humans to act in ways that they otherwise never would, because they are 'fantasizing' and imagining things that really are not in the experience, only in their minds...

Makes us Unpredictable...and with that unpredictability comes caution in dealing with us...extreme caution...all of our emotions are contaminated with these fantasies that are only in our minds, but we react to them as if they are real...a jealous husband...fantasies that we watch on TV and react to them as if they are a part of daily life...love we might feel for someone, but as only a reaction to past experiences (infatuation)...

If you are not submerged in the human condition, it would be very difficult interacting properly with us, don't you think...They do not fathom our reactions, because they are not part of the human condition...conditions that we relate to through fantasy...
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Conversation with friend:

in my opinion, everything should continue speeding up and moving forward...is that your view also? youve said it was, but we had yet to see it...then we witnessed that process in the science end of things...also, if you feel all the green lights are on, than small surprises like this one should also begin manifesting more often as even things beyond our/your current thought patterns are also aligned to 'green light' manifestation...and like your counter party, you suddenly realize that this is the case. - SickScent

but there was an agenda remember...this year for the politics and next year for the physics...this is with government...not esoterica.......what happened to me a little over a week ago and the report it manifested is less than a week old...the esoteric effects and the communication with off planet effect is unfolding rapidly but the "civil services," non esoteric bureaucracies, that maintain the running of each and every governmental culture, no matter whom or what is in power, does not move at the speed of esoteric events....with that in mind i accept and understand their needs for the well being of all they have the responsibility of protecting (everybody) in the manner they see fit, and i am following their wishes at this moment, as i always do when it feels correct to do so...this is how it is today...in a week, who knows.....nothing is fixed but it is coherent....or as close to coherent as we can match it within our global circumstances - friend
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what is attached to you...what does it feel like? is it knowing what you are....as in what you are in what you are in...your place/purpose within our universe?

What does it feel like...like running in a dream and never going anywhere...the weights and chains may get heavier and heavier, but I can still never slow my pace...so fucking pile it on, it doesn't matter, I still have to hold the pace...that is why I always say, I cannot wait to rest...
When I experience the dark places...usually about once every two weeks or so nowadays, I draw the nasties to me to free the trapped ones...so who the fuck knows what is attached...I unconsciously rely on xxxx to clear some of those things out as I have given her full permission to do whatever she wishes with me, even on a soul level, but I am sure their are always many things that attach to me...


the way you are doing it is the only way...stand your ground....ace...fucking ace...
in nov 1998 every entity that interacts with humans (not off planets) has consequences to their actions demonics and angelics NO EXCEPTIONS...there never was before...no comeback...they all blame humans...now they have to think a bit more...consequence time is whenever it is...lets see...huh
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wow. makes sense.

how to move from the actionable from fanciful? would require trust of the emotion felt at the time and comfort with the wisdom contained in the intuition.
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Without imagination we would be like robots...I understand some people experience emotions more strongly than others which might enable them to act illogical way.
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wow. makes sense.

how to move from the actionable from fanciful? would require trust of the emotion felt at the time and comfort with the wisdom contained in the intuition.
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I would like to spend some time on this...but I haven't been able to lately...it is extremely important to understand how humans are living in realities that only are contained within their own mind constructs, and are not living lives true to real physical experiences...we bleed fantasy into nearly everything we do...and we treat, many times, as if that fantasy were reality and react upon the fantasy as the 'real' state, when the actual experience truly doesn't contain the fantastical element...
...think about government institutions lying to us, and we accept it as reality, when in truth, it is fantasies created in the minds...think about if/when science has it wrong and we live our reality falsely like when it was thought that everything revolved around the Earth...the minds at that time lived in a fantasy that they took to be Truth...our entire history and current paradigms are fantasy elements that are not Truth, but rather fantasy that is only reality in human minds, not the universes reality...the true reality of what took place in the past, or how the universe is in the present...
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Without imagination we would be like robots...I understand some people experience emotions more strongly than others which might enable them to act illogical way.
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correct...but I think you are misinterpreting the point I am trying to make...imagination is creation...living a reality that is fantasy is not truth, and will be nearly impossible to retrieve truth from...
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wow. makes sense.

how to move from the actionable from fanciful? would require trust of the emotion felt at the time and comfort with the wisdom contained in the intuition.


I would like to spend some time on this...but I haven't been able to lately...it is extremely important to understand how humans are living in realities that only are contained within their own mind constructs, and are not living lives true to real physical experiences...we bleed fantasy into nearly everything we do...and we treat, many times, as if that fantasy were reality and react upon the fantasy as the 'real' state, when the actual experience truly doesn't contain the fantastical element...
...think about government institutions lying to us, and we accept it as reality, when in truth, it is fantasies created in the minds...think about if/when science has it wrong and we live our reality falsely like when it was thought that everything revolved around the Earth...the minds at that time lived in a fantasy that they took to be Truth...our entire history and current paradigms are fantasy elements that are not Truth, but rather fantasy that is only reality in human minds, not the universes reality...the true reality of what took place in the past, or how the universe is in the present...
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This might be all fine and dandy...until we come across contact with other species of intelligence...
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I would like to spend some time on this...but I haven't been able to lately...it is extremely important to understand how humans are living in realities that only are contained within their own mind constructs, and are not living lives true to real physical experiences...we bleed fantasy into nearly everything we do...and we treat, many times, as if that fantasy were reality and react upon the fantasy as the 'real' state, when the actual experience truly doesn't contain the fantastical element...
...think about government institutions lying to us, and we accept it as reality, when in truth, it is fantasies created in the minds...think about if/when science has it wrong and we live our reality falsely like when it was thought that everything revolved around the Earth...the minds at that time lived in a fantasy that they took to be Truth...our entire history and current paradigms are fantasy elements that are not Truth, but rather fantasy that is only reality in human minds, not the universes reality...the true reality of what took place in the past, or how the universe is in the present...
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that's tough. how do you take time to escape the fantasy to confront the fantasy? when I read your post, the most basic thought that occurred to me was going grocery shopping - what a fantasy to think we understand how to eat, or what would be the natural behavior for the acquisition of food?

Whatever it might be, it is not the everyday things we do to among other things, eat.

Then that makes me think: what if this is the outcome of societies - that we are able to think less of immediacy, and what might fantasy become - a precursor to......

And now I think that I thought these thoughts long ago and no matter how fast I type these thoughts are dated and I move my fingers to entertain the audience in my mind and hope to receive some reply. Then it will be worth it.
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I think fantasy is a defense mechanism against living in hell caused by others that live in a fantasy that they are superior and must control others.
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I would like to spend some time on this...but I haven't been able to lately...it is extremely important to understand how humans are living in realities that only are contained within their own mind constructs, and are not living lives true to real physical experiences...we bleed fantasy into nearly everything we do...and we treat, many times, as if that fantasy were reality and react upon the fantasy as the 'real' state, when the actual experience truly doesn't contain the fantastical element...
...think about government institutions lying to us, and we accept it as reality, when in truth, it is fantasies created in the minds...think about if/when science has it wrong and we live our reality falsely like when it was thought that everything revolved around the Earth...the minds at that time lived in a fantasy that they took to be Truth...our entire history and current paradigms are fantasy elements that are not Truth, but rather fantasy that is only reality in human minds, not the universes reality...the true reality of what took place in the past, or how the universe is in the present...

that's tough. how do you take time to escape the fantasy to confront the fantasy? when I read your post, the most basic thought that occurred to me was going grocery shopping - what a fantasy to think we understand how to eat, or what would be the natural behavior for the acquisition of food?

Whatever it might be, it is not the everyday things we do to among other things, eat.

Then that makes me think: what if this is the outcome of societies - that we are able to think less of immediacy, and what might fantasy become - a precursor to......

And now I think that I thought these thoughts long ago and no matter how fast I type these thoughts are dated and I move my fingers to entertain the audience in my mind and hope to receive some reply. Then it will be worth it.
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ahhh, maybe I should put this one on the back shelf...seems there might be many not ready for the concept...or until I can explain it better...
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It's my impression that less and less people are expressing any kind of compassion towards their fellow man.

As more every day life becomes unsure (surreal) this condition just worsens. It seems like no one is really secure anymore, and that makes it hard to help others.
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I think fantasy is a defense mechanism against living in hell caused by others that live in a fantasy that they are superior and must control others.
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now we are getting closer to what I am trying to get across!
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I would like to spend some time on this...but I haven't been able to lately...it is extremely important to understand how humans are living in realities that only are contained within their own mind constructs, and are not living lives true to real physical experiences...we bleed fantasy into nearly everything we do...and we treat, many times, as if that fantasy were reality and react upon the fantasy as the 'real' state, when the actual experience truly doesn't contain the fantastical element...
...think about government institutions lying to us, and we accept it as reality, when in truth, it is fantasies created in the minds...think about if/when science has it wrong and we live our reality falsely like when it was thought that everything revolved around the Earth...the minds at that time lived in a fantasy that they took to be Truth...our entire history and current paradigms are fantasy elements that are not Truth, but rather fantasy that is only reality in human minds, not the universes reality...the true reality of what took place in the past, or how the universe is in the present...

that's tough. how do you take time to escape the fantasy to confront the fantasy? when I read your post, the most basic thought that occurred to me was going grocery shopping - what a fantasy to think we understand how to eat, or what would be the natural behavior for the acquisition of food?

Whatever it might be, it is not the everyday things we do to among other things, eat.

Then that makes me think: what if this is the outcome of societies - that we are able to think less of immediacy, and what might fantasy become - a precursor to......

And now I think that I thought these thoughts long ago and no matter how fast I type these thoughts are dated and I move my fingers to entertain the audience in my mind and hope to receive some reply. Then it will be worth it.


ahhh, maybe I should put this one on the back shelf...seems there might be many not ready for the concept...or until I can explain it better...
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no, it's cool, you're literal in describing more than fanciful (trivial) fantasy. If you would, go on.....
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lol
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I would like to spend some time on this...but I haven't been able to lately...it is extremely important to understand how humans are living in realities that only are contained within their own mind constructs, and are not living lives true to real physical experiences...we bleed fantasy into nearly everything we do...and we treat, many times, as if that fantasy were reality and react upon the fantasy as the 'real' state, when the actual experience truly doesn't contain the fantastical element...
...think about government institutions lying to us, and we accept it as reality, when in truth, it is fantasies created in the minds...think about if/when science has it wrong and we live our reality falsely like when it was thought that everything revolved around the Earth...the minds at that time lived in a fantasy that they took to be Truth...our entire history and current paradigms are fantasy elements that are not Truth, but rather fantasy that is only reality in human minds, not the universes reality...the true reality of what took place in the past, or how the universe is in the present...

that's tough. how do you take time to escape the fantasy to confront the fantasy? when I read your post, the most basic thought that occurred to me was going grocery shopping - what a fantasy to think we understand how to eat, or what would be the natural behavior for the acquisition of food?

Whatever it might be, it is not the everyday things we do to among other things, eat.

Then that makes me think: what if this is the outcome of societies - that we are able to think less of immediacy, and what might fantasy become - a precursor to......

And now I think that I thought these thoughts long ago and no matter how fast I type these thoughts are dated and I move my fingers to entertain the audience in my mind and hope to receive some reply. Then it will be worth it.


ahhh, maybe I should put this one on the back shelf...seems there might be many not ready for the concept...or until I can explain it better...


no, it's cool, you're literal in describing more than fanciful (trivial) fantasy. If you would, go on.....
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I think the problem in explanation arises from the use of the word 'fantasy'.

You see, many times we react to things that are only in our minds, and not in the actual, physical experience.

I see an excellent example of this when you hear of a jealous spouse, whose loved one is not cheated on them, or doing anything wrong...but the jealous person reacts as if, in truth, their spouse IS cheating on them...the person has made that event a reality, but only in their own mind, and they react as if that is the Truth...


Now, take this concept and put it to use on bigger scales...
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I agree i need to hear the obivius!!
Please continue in whatever speed you deem correct Scent
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I think fantasy is a defense mechanism against living in hell caused by others that live in a fantasy that they are superior and must control others.


now we are getting closer to what I am trying to get across!
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Here's some more thoughts.

Energy follows thought. E-motions are energy in motion. Control the thoughts and you control the e-motions. Control the thoughts of billions of copper-tops and you control a massive amount of energy. That energy can then be used to build a society based on your fantasy.

But you need a structure that will support you. This is where Pyramidal Dynamics comes into play.

Keep the lie different at each level in order to maintain the pyramid. The lowest level believes there is no way out. Therefore they live in their own fantasies so they don't have to face reality. Those that do face reality can do very little to get away from the energy pyramid because they don't have the power and knowledge to escape on their own. So they either burn out trying to wake others up from their fantasies or they just go back to sleep.

The war is not being won by the bad guys. It's being lost by the good guys.
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It's my impression that less and less people are expressing any kind of compassion towards their fellow man.

As more every day life becomes unsure (surreal) this condition just worsens. It seems like no one is really secure anymore, and that makes it hard to help others.
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Well, I agree with that...this rabbit hole runs extremely deep ...because we are living in it...so it is a harder concept to assimilate into proper place within the human condition...

I need some time to frame this properly...the revelation is immense, but it is necessary to fully grasp the concept...and one of the easiest ways is to present this from outside the human condition...

Let me work on it...
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I think fantasy is a defense mechanism against living in hell caused by others that live in a fantasy that they are superior and must control others.


now we are getting closer to what I am trying to get across!
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I want to work on something here...please bear with me and see if there is any connection with your thought...

AC says, " I think fantasy is a defense mechanism against living in hell caused by others that live in a fantasy that they are superior and must control others."

What I'm finding in exploring dreams and conscious observation is that fantasy is quite a problem, possibly I would go so far as to call it a drug in many people's lives. Here's why I say this. AC says ...fantasy is a defense mechanism against living in hell.... I say the living in hell part is the fantasy that is imagined, and not necessarily real. It is a perceived condition through your individual situation. The experiencer is stating they are living in hell because of what they perceive as someone else's fantasy as controller. It seems that the experiencer allows the conditions and gives over the power of control, thus allowing the other to fulfill their fantasy, if indeed it is their fantasy at all. Let's take another example you mentioned, SS, as a jealous husband. Let's say a husband sees his wife talking with another man at a party. They disappear for a while and then he sees them fondly embrace and perhaps kiss. What he's thinking is linked together with imaginary glue, and depending on past events in his life and his security level, that glue could be anything. The experiencer observes a situation and fantasizes a scenario to fit the pictures. By the same token, the wife and man have theirs. Fantasy makes us unpredictable to each other, let alone other species. Just thoughts. Want to discuss?
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I think fantasy is a defense mechanism against living in hell caused by others that live in a fantasy that they are superior and must control others.


now we are getting closer to what I am trying to get across!



Here's some more thoughts.

Energy follows thought. E-motions are energy in motion. Control the thoughts and you control the e-motions. Control the thoughts of billions of copper-tops and you control a massive amount of energy. That energy can then be used to build a society based on your fantasy.

But you need a structure that will support you. This is where Pyramidal Dynamics comes into play.

Keep the lie different at each level in order to maintain the pyramid. The lowest level believes there is no way out. Therefore they live in their own fantasies so they don't have to face reality. Those that do face reality can do very little to get away from the energy pyramid because they don't have the power and knowledge to escape on their own. So they either burn out trying to wake others up from their fantasies or they just go back to sleep.

The war is not being won by the bad guys. It's being lost by the good guys.
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Now the concept is being properly understood...

OK...now enters 'things' from the outside that will bring change...events...effects...and understandings...and knowledge...that bring shifts with these incoming 'things'...and it shifts the top of the pyramid first...
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I think fantasy is a defense mechanism against living in hell caused by others that live in a fantasy that they are superior and must control others.


now we are getting closer to what I am trying to get across!

I want to work on something here...please bear with me and see if there is any connection with your thought...

AC says, " I think fantasy is a defense mechanism against living in hell caused by others that live in a fantasy that they are superior and must control others."

What I'm finding in exploring dreams and conscious observation is that fantasy is quite a problem, possibly I would go so far as to call it a drug in many people's lives. Here's why I say this. AC says ...fantasy is a defense mechanism against living in hell.... I say the living in hell part is the fantasy that is imagined, and not necessarily real. It is a perceived condition through your individual situation. The experiencer is stating they are living in hell because of what they perceive as someone else's fantasy as controller. It seems that the experiencer allows the conditions and gives over the power of control, thus allowing the other to fulfill their fantasy, if indeed it is their fantasy at all. Let's take another example you mentioned, SS, as a jealous husband. Let's say a husband sees his wife talking with another man at a party. They disappear for a while and then he sees them fondly embrace and perhaps kiss. What he's thinking is linked together with imaginary glue, and depending on past events in his life and his security level, that glue could be anything. The experiencer observes a situation and fantasizes a scenario to fit the pictures. By the same token, the wife and man have theirs. Fantasy makes us unpredictable to each other, let alone other species. Just thoughts. Want to discuss?
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your thoughts read correctly to me AWhereness although i can`t quite get enough picture to reply ...keep thinking and telling your thoughts please
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I think fantasy is a defense mechanism against living in hell caused by others that live in a fantasy that they are superior and must control others.


now we are getting closer to what I am trying to get across!

I want to work on something here...please bear with me and see if there is any connection with your thought...

AC says, " I think fantasy is a defense mechanism against living in hell caused by others that live in a fantasy that they are superior and must control others."

What I'm finding in exploring dreams and conscious observation is that fantasy is quite a problem, possibly I would go so far as to call it a drug in many people's lives. Here's why I say this. AC says ...fantasy is a defense mechanism against living in hell.... I say the living in hell part is the fantasy that is imagined, and not necessarily real. It is a perceived condition through your individual situation. The experiencer is stating they are living in hell because of what they perceive as someone else's fantasy as controller. It seems that the experiencer allows the conditions and gives over the power of control, thus allowing the other to fulfill their fantasy, if indeed it is their fantasy at all. Let's take another example you mentioned, SS, as a jealous husband. Let's say a husband sees his wife talking with another man at a party. They disappear for a while and then he sees them fondly embrace and perhaps kiss. What he's thinking is linked together with imaginary glue, and depending on past events in his life and his security level, that glue could be anything. The experiencer observes a situation and fantasizes a scenario to fit the pictures. By the same token, the wife and man have theirs. Fantasy makes us unpredictable to each other, let alone other species. Just thoughts. Want to discuss?
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Now, what if an intelligent species wanted to make contact (just bear with me)...the intelligent species lives by universal truths, which makes lies and 'fantasy' non-existent to their reality...What are the humans reacting to? It would be like giant blank spots that humans react to, for no reason at all, and the humans react to these blank spots as if the blank spots were real! when nothing about the blank spots are...
how could that other intelligent species interact with us...we would be completely unpredictable...we are reacting to things that DO NOT EXIST...
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As viewed from the outside, we are acting 'incoherent' to the rest of the universe...
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I think fantasy is a defense mechanism against living in hell caused by others that live in a fantasy that they are superior and must control others.


now we are getting closer to what I am trying to get across!

I want to work on something here...please bear with me and see if there is any connection with your thought...

AC says, " I think fantasy is a defense mechanism against living in hell caused by others that live in a fantasy that they are superior and must control others."

What I'm finding in exploring dreams and conscious observation is that fantasy is quite a problem, possibly I would go so far as to call it a drug in many people's lives. Here's why I say this. AC says ...fantasy is a defense mechanism against living in hell.... I say the living in hell part is the fantasy that is imagined, and not necessarily real. It is a perceived condition through your individual situation. The experiencer is stating they are living in hell because of what they perceive as someone else's fantasy as controller. It seems that the experiencer allows the conditions and gives over the power of control, thus allowing the other to fulfill their fantasy, if indeed it is their fantasy at all. Let's take another example you mentioned, SS, as a jealous husband. Let's say a husband sees his wife talking with another man at a party. They disappear for a while and then he sees them fondly embrace and perhaps kiss. What he's thinking is linked together with imaginary glue, and depending on past events in his life and his security level, that glue could be anything. The experiencer observes a situation and fantasizes a scenario to fit the pictures. By the same token, the wife and man have theirs. Fantasy makes us unpredictable to each other, let alone other species. Just thoughts. Want to discuss?
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I completely agree. But it depends on the level you look at the issue from. If you're living in a hut in Africa barely able to eat once a week and all you know is pain, then "hell" is reality in the physical sense. Those living in houses, having a job, etc. have an advantage. They can move beyond the whole "I'm a bag of bones" idea and see that this physical hell is also an illusion.

So we need to quantify what level we speak of. On a physical level our reality is one of being controlled physically. This control can be more or less depending on your station in this society but you are controlled. If you are living in a forest then you are controlled by the elements. If you are living in society you are controlled by the rules.

Now, we can go beyond that and say that it's a matter of perception. For instance, I see this as an opportunity to learn and work on myself. This body is temporary. The hell is an illusion in the grander scheme of things. But the objective reality is that I don't have full physical freedom. And lack of freedom to me is hell. See how that all goes in a circle?
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The thought shapes...the thought patterns that we base our actions in reality on...are of the wrong shapes...they are out of coherence to the rest of the universe...we have created our own solitude...
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I think fantasy is a defense mechanism against living in hell caused by others that live in a fantasy that they are superior and must control others.


now we are getting closer to what I am trying to get across!

I want to work on something here...please bear with me and see if there is any connection with your thought...

AC says, " I think fantasy is a defense mechanism against living in hell caused by others that live in a fantasy that they are superior and must control others."

What I'm finding in exploring dreams and conscious observation is that fantasy is quite a problem, possibly I would go so far as to call it a drug in many people's lives. Here's why I say this. AC says ...fantasy is a defense mechanism against living in hell.... I say the living in hell part is the fantasy that is imagined, and not necessarily real. It is a perceived condition through your individual situation. The experiencer is stating they are living in hell because of what they perceive as someone else's fantasy as controller. It seems that the experiencer allows the conditions and gives over the power of control, thus allowing the other to fulfill their fantasy, if indeed it is their fantasy at all. Let's take another example you mentioned, SS, as a jealous husband. Let's say a husband sees his wife talking with another man at a party. They disappear for a while and then he sees them fondly embrace and perhaps kiss. What he's thinking is linked together with imaginary glue, and depending on past events in his life and his security level, that glue could be anything. The experiencer observes a situation and fantasizes a scenario to fit the pictures. By the same token, the wife and man have theirs. Fantasy makes us unpredictable to each other, let alone other species. Just thoughts. Want to discuss?



I completely agree. But it depends on the level you look at the issue from. If you're living in a hut in Africa barely able to eat once a week and all you know is pain, then "hell" is reality in the physical sense. Those living in houses, having a job, etc. have an advantage. They can move beyond the whole "I'm a bag of bones" idea and see that this physical hell is also an illusion.

So we need to quantify what level we speak of. On a physical level our reality is one of being controlled physically. This control can be more or less depending on your station in this society but you are controlled. If you are living in a forest then you are controlled by the elements. If you are living in society you are controlled by the rules.

Now, we can go beyond that and say that it's a matter of perception. For instance, I see this as an opportunity to learn and work on myself. This body is temporary. The hell is an illusion in the grander scheme of things. But the objective reality is that I don't have full physical freedom. And lack of freedom to me is hell. See how that all goes in a circle?
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advise...view it from outside the human condition looking in...

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