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My final analyzes is what came first..the photo or the video
 Quoting: Free Store


Original picture:
[link to www.livingbeing.com]

Photoshopped picture on Zetatalk:
[link to zetatalk.com]

Question: I took this picture while camping is it what I think it is?

Answer: Note this recent photo underwent extensive examination to determine if it was a PhotoShot job, and it was determined it was not.

^ Dunno what you are babbling about a video ... a dude took a photo, photoshopped a PX/second sun (whatever) into it ... and Nancy fell for it ...

... what is your problem understanding this ?
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1054784:
Perhaps this will clear things up for you-

Do I believe there is a monster planet "four times the size of Jupiter" hovering near the Sun? NOPE!

Does my disbelief prove it doesn't really exist? NOPE!

Will I believe it exists if/when I actually see it? Not necessarily! I've learned in the past 57 years to question damned-near everything I see/hear and to actually believe very little of what remains.

Has ZetaTalk altered the way I look at my personal world? ABSOLUTELY! It contains alot of info that resonates [with me personally] as being within the realm of possibility - even probability. But that doesn't make the info absolute, it merely quantifies some of that content it in my teeny-tiny mortal brain.

The key word in my defense of ZT is ENTERTAINMENT. If I actually learn something undeniable along the way... even better, because entertainment paired with understanding and knowledge is a pretty good deal when it's free! And, if it causes me to dig more deeply into a subject then I have gained on that level as well.

BTW: you should re-read my comments on a previous page about Photoshopping images OUT of a pic to create a new "original". That too, is a possibilty here.

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She must truly scare you losers the way you slag her.
I find it totally hillarious and vaguely sad that a delusional septagenarian puts so much fear in all you tough guys...

I'm sure I'll be painted as a zetatard by the open minded folks I find around here but I'm not.
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991880: You don't study history much, do you? Check meteorological records. Check global rainfall data. Check Volcanic data. Check oceanic temperature charts. ALL current data is vastly different from the time when such records were first established. There's nothing cyclical about current global patterns.

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So, go ahead and post something that you think is happening today that has never happened before. Let's see what you have.
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08/01/2010 12:49 PM
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Oh come on people.... Nancy was interesting in an off the wall kind of way but SERIOUSLY, anyone who schills for a politician the way she did for Obie is a fraud- and YOU KNOW IT.
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TRUE. Global manifestations of significant changes ARE the surest form of proof. These CANNOT be altered. CHANGING TIMES, people... changing times!



Can you name one of them and then back it up with evidence of how it is different now than it has ever been?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 991880


Logically no one can say "how it has ever been".
I know the 46 years I have witnessed have included some changes.

One would be the alteration of the magnetosphere cleary I don't know if it is different then it has ever been.
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991880: This exchange between us is a good example of something that has never happened before! I'm joking, of course... especially since your tone indicates that you'll accept no "proof" but your own. Which is as it should be.... since it's your truth. I've already given you ample source material to research. Do so.

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The key word in my defense of ZT is ENTERTAINMENT.
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It sure is entertaining. The problem is that Nancy doesnt mean it to be entertaining, she wants people to take it as a fact which means she wants to deceive people.

BTW: you should re-read my comments on a previous page about Photoshopping images OUT of a pic to create a new "original". That too, is a possibilty here.
 Quoting: gsbltd


That would mean the the dude who makes this website:

[link to www.livingbeing.com]

... would have to be involved ... I do not see evidence of that.
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There's that pesky "personal perception" at work again. OH! And, since when is a person presenting their version of the "truth" [as in Nancy's case] deception? It's up to the reader to determine what is fact and what is fiction and fodder for a screenplay/novel. The disclaimer at the bottom of this page sums it up very nicely, I think! Would it make any diffence to you if Nancy had the same message at the bottom of the ZT site? It would probably stop alot of threads such as this, though! Then, where would we all be!???

Actually: I kind of like your approach to this subject.

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Nancy has never been more than a puppet to the master puppeteers, the reptilian hybrids that control OUR solar system and rule us with mind control and propaganda.
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Exactly!!!!!!!!!!
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I have a very hard time believing anything anyone says because of past previous experiences. What I find significant is the amount of ad hominem attacks towards this lady.

Not once in any these claims pro or con has any hard core evidence been presented. I have used Photoshop for years. Sure wish someone had the real first photo with big enough resolution to study.

Like my friend Jan used to say: 'The most dangerous lie is that closely resembles the truth".

But for real captures and scientific analysis of what could probably be out there please see:

[link to starviewer.wordpress.com]

And for those of you who know about these astronomers' work, yes I know it was presented in this forum that many call entertainment.

If you cannot pick out bits and pieces of truth from here and there and everywhere, you are lost.
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WELL SAID!
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Would it make any diffence to you if Nancy had the same message at the bottom of the ZT site?
 Quoting: gsbltd

Yes, it would be a total different world ... it would make her stuff to what it is my perception is: A bad SciFi-Story ... IMO she tried to be as successfull as Ron Hubbard, who basically turned a bad SciFi-story he wrote into a multi-million dollar industry which is even accepted as religion in some countrys.

If she would come forward and admitt to what my perception of her doing is: that zetatalk is a lie and that she made it up, all of it ... then she would have my total respect.

The question remains: are there scientific evidences of Planet X as Nancy describes it (photographs by telescopes for example, changes in the solar system planets orbits (a giant 4 times the size of jupiter would effect the orbit of the all the planets in the solar system).

Answer: No, no such scientific evidences, and not just in my perception, they are just not there (unless you do what all Zetatalk-followers do: twist whatever they can into their theory when it fits and when it fits not they just scream: "NASA is evil, NASA is covering up the evidence").
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Now: don't be bitchy with me or try to put words into my mouth. Trust me on this singular point: I BITE when provoked.

BTW: You are dangerously close to suggesting that if Nancy would conform to YOUR personal concepts it would be a better world. That's a troublesome approach, my friend! And one that may eventually cause you grief.

One more thing: not to put too fine a point of your arguement, but NASA has been proven to have misrepresented it's data many, many times. As an employee of the U.S. federal government I can ASSURE you that there's not a single federal agency in existence that has any concept of transparency and honesty where the public is concerned. TRUST me on this point, as well!

PS: I'd say L. Ron hubbard opened as many minds as he closed. Personally: I feel than anyone/anything that causes people to THINK is a good thing. It's the aftermath that usually causes the greatest problems... when people start to take themselves [or their beliefs] too seriously.

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Now: don't be bitchy with me or try to put words into my mouth. Trust me on this singular point: I BITE when provoked.

BTW: You are dangerously close to suggesting that if Nancy would conform to YOUR personal concepts it would be a better world. That's a troublesome approach, my friend! And one that may eventually cause you grief.
 Quoting: gsbltd


In case you're talking to me ....

Now who is laying words into whose mouth ? I did not provoke or insult you in any way.

It in not my personel concept ... it is the concept the scientific community agrees on (an agreement which is formed by theory, experiment and evidence ... an agreement that is subject to change to a certain degree when science evolves). Yes, and I do think that if people would rely on science that the world would be a better place ... we would not have had millions of dead people who died because of unscientific stuff like religion for example).
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One more thing: not to put too fine a point of your arguement, but NASA has been proven to have misrepresented it's data many, many times. As an employee of the U.S. federal government I can ASSURE you that there's not a single federal agency in existence that has any concept of transparency and honesty where the public is concerned. TRUST me on this point, as well!
 Quoting: gsbltd

Then lets NASA out of the game and mention millions of very well equipped hobby-astronomers (some are that well equipped that the term "hobby" is an understatement). Has anyone of these said there is a Planet X as Nancy describes it ? Not that I am aware of.
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sorry op but you are a weal person..how could you believe stupid shit like that...???be strong follow ur heart and soul
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1054784:
Would it make a significant difference if they did? The professional community -and public forums such as this- would ridicule them for their efforts and merely brand them amatuers [while overlooking the solid fact that many of those so-called amatuers have inadvertantly stumbled upon some pretty amazing things in the past]. No: EVERYTHING is open to scrutiny in our world today. But again: this is not neceassarily a bad thing, now is it? If it was, then opinions like yours and mine would never be shared and the learning processes diminished.

I've really got to get back to what I laughingly call "reality" - so please excuse me for now. I've genuinely enjoyed our exchanges! Here's hoping you find the answers you seek!

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Would it make a significant difference if they did? The professional community -and public forums such as this- would ridicule them for their efforts. EVERYTHING is open to scrutiny in our world today. But again: this is not neceassarily a bad thing, now is it?
 Quoting: gsbltd

Wrong ... it would make a difference to me at least ... if a hobby astronomer or even Nancy prove Planet X to my and everyone elses satisfaction I would be the first who would defend that and try to get the word out, just as vehemently as I post against Nancys claims now, due to the lack of evidence.

Also I am talking about undeniable evidence ... like for example seeing the second sun, which is according to nancy visible right now with bare eyes .... evidence even the professional community cannot ridicule (which they sure often do when hobby-people find out sonething the professionals never thought about ... but in these cases it is only a question of time until even the professionals agree).
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I've genuinely enjoyed our exchanges!
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Me too ... usually this kind of discussion ends up in insults, so it went OK here I think.
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Anybody that believes any of the zeta nonsense seriously needs their head seeing to. Talk about lost grip on reality! Glad you woke up OP and hopefully you won't be suckered in by any such shit again. It's doubtful that you'll learn though!
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Back in the early 2000's, I posted images that in no way shape or form contained any rogue planet...they were images taken by me of common lens flares that I intentionally made to test Nancy. I posted them annonymously asking Nancy if they were planet x. Not to my surprise, she stated that they were, and in fact many of them exist today on her web site as examples of pictures of "planet x". I know several others besides myself who did the same thing with the same results. SHE claimed they were indeed px and posted them on her own website...where they still exist today.

Folks, you're going to have to come to the reality that this woman is a total and complete sham and always has been.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 991880

Ya, she is dis info.. Shes discrediting the whole thing by posting bs/lens flare photos.. This time next year there will be no debate on this subject in my opinion. It is coming.
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899040:

You accuse Nancy Lieder of being a thief. Care to explain exactly WHAT she has "stolen" from you or anybody else [you too, OP!]?

Your FAITH, perhaps? Faith cannot be stolen - it is given freely by those who believe in something. Anything. Anywhere. Any time.

Your MONEY? When has Nancy Lieder ever asked for money for her services? The ZetaTalk website has long offered for sale a set of CD's that contain the text of the website - at a very reasonable price [I know: I bought them 10 years ago] as well as a spiral-bound Changing Times "survival guide" that contains pretty basic and valuable info useful in many applications. Also a very good price. These are worthy products, professionally produced.

Your TIME? How can you possibly put a price tag on the time spent at a forum such as THIS [or any other, for that matter]??? GLP is and always has been ENTERTAINMENT-BASED and is also FREE unless you decide to support them through a paid membership.

AND FINALLY: your assertion that Nancy Lieder is a "Con-artist" - again... a con-artist is one who attempts to fool others for monetary gain. SEE ABOVE for an explanation of why you fail on this claim as well.

You're just a pathetic loser, hoping to jump on a ZetaTalk- bashing-bandwagon.

If nothing else: Nancy Lieder and her ZetaTalk presentations have incorporated a new term into our daily lexicon... POLE-SHIFT. Before ZT there were very FEW references to such a possible phenomenom; now, there are thousands.
 Quoting: gsbltd

There has been no bashing on my part...just exposing the truth. If you consider her being caught in a lie and having that lie exposed, then you are hopeless. Nancy lied and was caught end of story. iamwith
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991880: This exchange between us is a good example of something that has never happened before! I'm joking, of course... especially since your tone indicates that you'll accept no "proof" but your own. Which is as it should be.... since it's your truth. I've already given you ample source material to research. Do so.
 Quoting: gsbltd


You have done no such thing. Not even a a single link.

So, again, name specifically one thing that you think is happening today with evidence that it is somehow different than ever before. After all, YOU are the one claiming "earth changes". Let's see them.
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Logically no one can say "how it has ever been".
I know the 46 years I have witnessed have included some changes.

One would be the alteration of the magnetosphere cleary I don't know if it is different then it has ever been.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 364476


So, how do you know that it has been "altered"?
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But for real captures and scientific analysis of what could probably be out there please see:

[link to starviewer.wordpress.com]

And for those of you who know about these astronomers' work, yes I know it was presented in this forum that many call entertainment.

 Quoting: Koti


It's bullshit. G1.9 is a supernova at a distance of 25,000 light years. It is nowhere near our solar system.
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Ya, she is dis info.. Shes discrediting the whole thing by posting bs/lens flare photos.. This time next year there will be no debate on this subject in my opinion. It is coming.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1011949


Will be strong enough to admit you were wrong when it doesn't?
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Zetas are not the good guys.
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The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
 [link to www.zetatalk.com] 

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Yes we all know Ms. Lieder is full of $%#@.

One point I would like to add is that certain prophets and certain psychics have predicted "second sun", "comet of chastisements" "three days of darkness" many, many, MANY years before the zetas were known (or even Nancy).

One of the many examples is Our Lady of the Roses (Veronica L.) that these prophetic messages of the "second sun" (and what she refers to as the "ball of redemption") date back to the early 1970's. Here is an excerpt of a message:

"Veronica - Now Our Lady is pointing to our right side, Her left side, and there's a ball now glowing in the sky, directly over on the statue's left side, our right side. And the globe now is one of the world, but there are flames on one side. I am almost looking now into the area. There are flames, and there's a big hole; oh, it covers half of the globe, the hole. It's like burned out, as though it's been hit by a tremendous, big ball of fire. Oh, it's terrible. I can feel the heat.

Now I notice that there is a tremendous ball now setting out in the sky by the sun. It's like two giant suns in the sky. But the ball on the right has a tail, and it's starting to move now around the sun. And as it goes it's bouncing crazily, as though it's going off course in some manner, this ball. And it's heading now over towards the earth again. It's hit it once, and something happened.

And now it's heading for another part of the globe. And now it's heading for another part of the globe. It's turned its course completely around and is striking the globe. I can see now the whole underside of the globe in flames. (4-14-84)"

The part I highlighted sounds a lot like the description of PX through the Zetas (or Nancy or whoever). Can you say possibly copy cat?
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899040:

You accuse Nancy Lieder of being a thief. Care to explain exactly WHAT she has "stolen" from you or anybody else [you too, OP!]?

Your FAITH, perhaps? Faith cannot be stolen - it is given freely by those who believe in something. Anything. Anywhere. Any time.

Your MONEY? When has Nancy Lieder ever asked for money for her services?
(snip)

There are several thousand dollars unaccounted for from the early days. It was collected for buying things related to a radio network, of some sort, as I recall. Nancy has used funds to improve her own property.

If nothing else: Nancy Lieder and her ZetaTalk presentations have incorporated a new term into our daily lexicon... POLE-SHIFT. Before ZT there were very FEW references to such a possible phenomenom; now, there are thousands.
 Quoting: gsbltd


Exactly as I have been saying for a long time. Most of what people think they "know" about PX and pole shift originated with Zetatalk and is pure bullshit.


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