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VIDEO PROOF THE VATICAN IS THE WHORE OF BABYLON

 
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JESUS IS MY LORD AND MY GOD
JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD
THE LORD IS ONE

THE VATICAN AND THE EUROPEAN UNION
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part 5

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Papal Rome And The European Union
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could be but forget not the 7 heads. Pharmacutical, oil, drugs smugllers, human smugllers, guns smugllers, banksters, politicians.
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Consequences will never be the same.
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The Harlot Church's Missing Color

The garments of the high priest of Israel, according to the Bible, contained specific colors:

Exo 28:3 And thou shalt speak unto all that are wise hearted, whom I have filled with the spirit of wisdom, that they may make Aaron's garments to consecrate him, that he may minister unto me in the priest's office.
Exo 28:4 And these are the garments which they shall make; a breastplate, and an ephod, and a robe, and a broidered coat, a mitre, and a girdle: and they shall make holy garments for Aaron thy brother, and his sons, that he may minister unto me in the priest's office.
Exo 28:5 And they shall take gold, and blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine linen.
Exo 28:6 And they shall make the ephod of gold, of blue, and of purple, of scarlet, and fine twined linen, with cunning work.
Exo 28:7 It shall have the two shoulder pieces thereof joined at the two edges thereof; and so it shall be joined together.
Exo 28:8 And the curious girdle of the ephod, which is upon it, shall be of the same, according to the work thereof; even of gold, of blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine twined linen.

Exo 28:31 And thou shalt make the robe of the ephod all of blue.

Exo 39:1 And of the blue, and purple, and scarlet, they made cloths of service, to do service in the holy place, and made the holy garments for Aaron; as the LORD commanded Moses.
Exo 39:2 And he made the ephod of gold, blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine twined linen.

In comparison, the garments of the high priest include the color blue, which is notably absent in the description of the woman of Revelation 17.:

Rev 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

The Bible even tells us the spiritual meaning of the color blue:



Num 15:38 Speak unto the children of Israel, and bid them that they make them fringes in the borders of their garments throughout their generations, and that they put upon the fringe of the borders a ribband of blue:
Num 15:39 And it shall be unto you for a fringe, that ye may look upon it, and remember all the commandments of the LORD, and do them; and that ye seek not after your own heart and your own eyes, after which ye use to go a whoring:
Num 15:40 That ye may remember, and do all my commandments, and be holy unto your God.

Deu 22:12 Thou shalt make thee fringes upon the four quarters of thy vesture, wherewith thou coverest thyself.



Healing in his Wings

Mal 4:2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.

Malachi 4:2 is a messianic prophecy, it is speaking of Jesus Christ. So what does healing in his wings mean? The word translated "wings" is H3671:

H3671. kanaph, kaw-nawf'; from H3670; an edge or extremity; spec. (of a bird or army) a wing, (of a garment or bed-clothing) a flap, (of the earth) a quarter, (of a building) a pinnacle:-- + bird, border, corner, end, feather [-ed], X flying, + (one an-) other, overspreading, X quarters, skirt, X sort, uttermost part, wing ([-ed]).

So Malachi was really saying that the Messiah would have healing in the edge or fringe of His garment. This was what was understood by the people of Israel. How do we know that?

Mat 14:35 And when the men of that place had knowledge of him [Jesus], they sent out into all that country round about, and brought unto him all that were diseased;
Mat 14:36 And besought him that they might only touch the hem of his garment: and as many as touched were made perfectly whole.

Mat 9:20 And, behold, a woman, which was diseased with an issue of blood twelve years, came behind him, and touched the hem of his garment:
Mat 9:21 For she said within herself, If I may but touch his garment, I shall be whole.
Mat 9:22 But Jesus turned him about, and when he saw her, he said, Daughter, be of good comfort; thy faith hath made thee whole. And the woman was made whole from that hour.

See also Mark 5:25-34 and Luke 8:43-48.

The fringe or tassel of Christ's garment undoubtedly included the sapphire blue ribband as directed in Numbers 15:38-39 as mentioned above, that symbolized the commandments of God. That is why the woman sought so earnestly to touch that hem or fringe. She knew Malachi's prophecy, and in faith she made her way through the crowd to claim that healing.

So regarding the whoring harlot church, though she claims to be God's representative on earth, the missing color blue in her description indicates that she defiantly disregards and transgresses the law of God. One of the characteristics of the antichrist power is lawlessness:

[NIV] 2 Th 2:3 Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.

[NIV] 2 Th 2:7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way.

And, note what the antichrist little horn power tries to change:

Dan 7:25 And he [little horn] shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws [of the most High]: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

The only one of the ten commandments of God that deals with time is the sabbath commandment (Exo. 20:8-11), which the Catholic Church claims to have changed, from Saturday the seventh day, to Sunday, the first day of the week:

2175 Sunday is expressly distinguished from the sabbath which it follows chronologically every week; for Christians its ceremonial observance replaces that of the sabbath.

Source: Catechism of the Catholic Church, published by Liguori Publications, English translation copyright 1994 by the United States Catholic Conference, Inc.--Libreria Editrice Vaticana, bearing the Imprimi Potest of Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, page 524.


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Sunday is not the Sabbath! JESUS IS!
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For a striking contrast, note how the true church, symbolized by the woman of Revelation 12, is described:

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

THE ULTIMATE FATE OF THE HARLOT DAUGHTER

Lev 21:9 And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire.

Rev 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.


Blasphemy

The scriptures give us several examples of blasphemy:

Mark 2:5 When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee.
Mark 2:6 But there were certain of the scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts,
Mark 2:7 Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?

John 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
John 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

So, a man falsely claiming the power to forgive the sins of men, a man falsely claiming to be God on earth, and men falsely claiming to be the true church of God are all clearly defined as blasphemy. Note the following:

Bishops and priests being, as they are, God's interpreters and ambassadors, empowered in His name to teach mankind the divine law and the rules of conduct, and holding, as they do, His place on earth, it is evident that no nobler function than theirs can be imagined. Justly, therefore, are they called not only Angels, but even gods, because of the fact that they exercise in our midst the power and prerogatives of the immortal God.

In all ages, priests have been held in the highest honor; yet the priests of the New Testament far exceed all others. For the power of consecrating and offering the body and blood of our Lord and of forgiving sins, which has been conferred on them, not only has nothing equal or like it on earth, but even surpasses human reason and understanding.

Source: The Catechism of the Council of Trent (The Roman Catechism), translated by John A McHugh, O.P., S.T.M., LITT.D. and Charles J. Callan, O.P., S.T.M., LITT.D., published by Tan Books and Publishers, Inc., Copyright 1992, Rockford, Illinois, 61105, Sacrament of Holy Orders, Dignity of this Sacrament, page 318.
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Blasphemy

Power of Consecrating

The third great power of the priestly office is the climax of all. It is the power of consecrating. "No act is greater," says saint Thomas, "than the consecration of the body of Christ." In this essential phase of the sacred ministry, the power of the priest is not surpassed by that of the bishop, the archbishop, the cardinal or the pope. Indeed it is equal to that of Jesus Christ. For in this role the priest speaks with the voice and the authority of God Himself.

When the priest pronounces the tremendous words of consecration, he reaches up into the heaven, brings Christ down from His throne, and places Him upon our altar to be offered up again as the victim for the sins of man. It is a power greater than that of monarchs and emperors. It is greater than that of saints and angels, greater than that of Seraphim and Cherubim. Indeed, it is greater than the power of the Virgin Mary. While the blessed virgin was the human agency by which Christ became incarnate a single time, the priest brings Christ down from heaven, and renders Him present on our altar as the eternal victim for the sins of man-not once, but, a thousand times! The priest speaks and lo! Christ the eternal and omnipotent God, bows His head in humble obedience to the priest's command.

[pg.271] Of what sublime dignity is the office of the Christian priest who is thus privileged to act as the ambassador and the vicegerent of Christ on earth. He continues the essential ministry of Christ - he teaches the faithful with the authority of Christ, he offers up again the same sacrifice of adoration and atonement which Christ offered on Calvary. No wonder that the name which spiritual writers are especially fond of applying to the priest is that of "alter Christus." For the priest is and should be another Christ.

Source: Faith of Millions, by Reverend John A. O'brien, Copyright 1938, published by Our Sunday Visitor, Huntington Indiana, page 270, 271.

Thus the priest may, in a certain manner, be called the creator of his Creator, ...

"The power of the priest," says St. Bernadine of Sienna, "is the power of the divine person; for the transubstantiation of the bread requires as much power as the creation of the world."

As the Word of God created heaven and earth, so, says St. Jerome, the words of the priest create Jesus Christ.

Source: The Dignity and Duties of the Priest or Selva, by St. Alphonsus de Liguori, translated from the Italian, edited by Eugene Grimm, copyright 1927 by Very Rev. James Barron, C.SS.R, pgs. 32, 33.
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THE SABBATH DAY REST


3For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

4For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. 5And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. 6Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:

7Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

8For if Jesus (NOT CHRIST BUT JOSHUA OT) had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
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Not the Vatican, but Rome.
This prophecy (really not a prophecy) was written before the Vatican even existed. It was describing Rome, during a time when Romans were still persecuting Christians.

Christianity eventually conquered Rome, so I guess the author of Revelation got his wish.
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FOTOS OF
THE WOMAN WITH THE GOLDEN CUP IN HER HAND,WOMAN IS CALLED FIDES, WHICH MEANS THE CATHOLIC FAITH, AND IS THE SYMBOL OF THE CATHOLIC FAITH.


4And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having A GOLDEN CUP IN HER HAND full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
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FOTOS OF PAINTINGS AND SCULPTURES OF FIDES 9MEANING THE CATHOLIC FAITH - FIDES IS ALWAYS PROTRAYED IN CATHOLIC ART AS A WOMAN HOLDING A GOLDEN CUP

The Catholic faith is again represented in these paintings as a woman holding a golden cup of wine with the round wafer of the Eucharist.

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FIDES, the Catholic faith, holding the golden cup of the Mass, portrayed by Lorenzo Sabbatini and his assistants from 1573 -1576 on the vault of the First Sala dei Foconi, the Vatican.


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Ceiling panel painting of FIDES by Francesco Podesti,
Immaculate Conception room of the Borgia Tower, the Vatican.
From a photo by Spectrum Colour Library.

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painting of FIDES, a detail from The Theological Virtues, painted from 1596 -1600 by Cherubino Alberti and Baldassare Croce, in the Sala Clementina, the Vatican.



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This oil on canvas of The Triumph of Faith which is in the Vatican collection, is by Gaetano Gandolfi and was painted about 1774. It is the preparatory work for the ceiling of a chapel in Bologna, and was given to Pope Pius X by the Sacra Congregazione di Propaganda Fide, otherwise known as the office of the Inquisition.



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FIDES as portrayed over the pulpit of the Benedictine Melk Monastery on the Danube in Austria, built in the early 18th century. In FIDES' left hand is the golden cup (in front of the cross), and behind her right shoulder is the pagan sunburst image.










Rev 17:2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. ...


4And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having A GOLDEN CUP IN HER HAND full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. 7And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
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PICTURE OF FIDES
THE CATHOLIC FAITH
HOLDING THE GOLDEN CUP OF HER ABOMONATIONS

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detail of FIDES from The Battle of Lepanto by Giorgio Vasari and assistants from 1572-73, in the Sala Regia, the Vatican.
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ANOTHER OF FIDES
"THE CATHOLIC FAITH"
HOLDING THE GOLDEN CUP OF HER ABOMONATIONS

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This depiction of Fides by Donatello and Michelozzo dates to about 1435, and is carved on the base of the funeral monument of AntiPope John XXIII (1410-1415), which is in the Pietra serena Baptistry in Florence.
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JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD

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And how exactly do you know this to be true?

Because some old book said so?
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THIS IS A ROMAN CATHOLIC MEDAL

SHOWING THE POPE AND ON THE REVERSE FIDES
AGAIN
WHICH MEANS -THE CATHOLIC FATH
AGAIN HOLDING THE CUP OF HER ABOMINATIONS

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a papal medal of Pope Clemens VIII marking the 13th year of his reign in 1602, and the reverse side is inscribed Unus Deus - Una Fides (One God - One Faith)


4And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. 7And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her,
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ANOTHER ROMAN CATHOLIC MEDAL

SHOWING THE POPE Innocent XI 1680 AND ON THE REVERSE FIDES
AGAIN
WHICH MEANS -THE CATHOLIC (FALSE)FAITH

AGAIN THE WOMAN IS HOLDING THE CUP OF HER ABOMINATIONS

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This medal of Pope Innocent XI was struck in 1680, the 4th year of his reign. On the reverse side is FIDES representing the Catholic Church. Again she is holding the golden cup of the Mass and a cross. The inscription is from the Latin Vulgate Bible, Ecclesiasticus 40:12, and means fidelity shall stand for ever.



4And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. 7And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her,
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YOUR SEEING IT BEFORE YOUR VERY EYES 2000 YEARS ALTER
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JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD



And how exactly do you know this to be true?

Because some old book said so?
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NO, BECAUSE OF A GIFT FROM GOD.
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JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD



And how exactly do you know this to be true?

Because some old book said so?


NO, BECAUSE OF A GIFT FROM GOD.
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Whatever you say, chosen one.
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Some mystery, never heard that before.


The whore of babylon aka babel aka confusion.


Is something that the vast majority of humans won't believe even if told.
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IDOLOTROUS SCULPTURE OF FIDES
AGAIN HOLDING THE CUP OF HER ABOMINATIONS

IT IS ENTITLED AMAZINGLY ,
THE TRIUMPH OF FAITH OVER IDOLOTRY

IF YOU CAN SWALLOW THAT!

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sculpture of FIDES, titled The Triumph of Faith over Idolatry by Théodon Jean Baptiste, in Rome's Chiesa del Gesù, the Jesuit Church of Rome. This sculpture is on the left side of the tomb of Ignatius Loyola, the founder of the Jesuits.
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A BLASPHEMOUS QUEEN OF HEAVEN IDOL
HOLDING THE GOLDEN CUP OF HER ABOMINATIONS

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the statue of The Mother of the Eucharist in which AN IDOL holds the golden cup
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The Harlot Church's Missing Color

The garments of the high priest of Israel, according to the Bible, contained specific colors:

Exo 28:3 And thou shalt speak unto all that are wise hearted, whom I have filled with the spirit of wisdom, that they may make Aaron's garments to consecrate him, that he may minister unto me in the priest's office.
Exo 28:4 And these are the garments which they shall make; a breastplate, and an ephod, and a robe, and a broidered coat, a mitre, and a girdle: and they shall make holy garments for Aaron thy brother, and his sons, that he may minister unto me in the priest's office.
Exo 28:5 And they shall take gold, and blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine linen.
Exo 28:6 And they shall make the ephod of gold, of blue, and of purple, of scarlet, and fine twined linen, with cunning work.
Exo 28:7 It shall have the two shoulder pieces thereof joined at the two edges thereof; and so it shall be joined together.
Exo 28:8 And the curious girdle of the ephod, which is upon it, shall be of the same, according to the work thereof; even of gold, of blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine twined linen.

Exo 28:31 And thou shalt make the robe of the ephod all of blue.

Exo 39:1 And of the blue, and purple, and scarlet, they made cloths of service, to do service in the holy place, and made the holy garments for Aaron; as the LORD commanded Moses.
Exo 39:2 And he made the ephod of gold, blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine twined linen.

In comparison, the garments of the high priest include the color blue, which is notably absent in the description of the woman of Revelation 17.:

Rev 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

The Bible even tells us the spiritual meaning of the color blue:



Num 15:38 Speak unto the children of Israel, and bid them that they make them fringes in the borders of their garments throughout their generations, and that they put upon the fringe of the borders a ribband of blue:
Num 15:39 And it shall be unto you for a fringe, that ye may look upon it, and remember all the commandments of the LORD, and do them; and that ye seek not after your own heart and your own eyes, after which ye use to go a whoring:
Num 15:40 That ye may remember, and do all my commandments, and be holy unto your God.

Deu 22:12 Thou shalt make thee fringes upon the four quarters of thy vesture, wherewith thou coverest thyself.



Healing in his Wings

Mal 4:2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.

Malachi 4:2 is a messianic prophecy, it is speaking of Jesus Christ. So what does healing in his wings mean? The word translated "wings" is H3671:

H3671. kanaph, kaw-nawf'; from H3670; an edge or extremity; spec. (of a bird or army) a wing, (of a garment or bed-clothing) a flap, (of the earth) a quarter, (of a building) a pinnacle:-- + bird, border, corner, end, feather [-ed], X flying, + (one an-) other, overspreading, X quarters, skirt, X sort, uttermost part, wing ([-ed]).

So Malachi was really saying that the Messiah would have healing in the edge or fringe of His garment. This was what was understood by the people of Israel. How do we know that?

Mat 14:35 And when the men of that place had knowledge of him [Jesus], they sent out into all that country round about, and brought unto him all that were diseased;
Mat 14:36 And besought him that they might only touch the hem of his garment: and as many as touched were made perfectly whole.

Mat 9:20 And, behold, a woman, which was diseased with an issue of blood twelve years, came behind him, and touched the hem of his garment:
Mat 9:21 For she said within herself, If I may but touch his garment, I shall be whole.
Mat 9:22 But Jesus turned him about, and when he saw her, he said, Daughter, be of good comfort; thy faith hath made thee whole. And the woman was made whole from that hour.

See also Mark 5:25-34 and Luke 8:43-48.

The fringe or tassel of Christ's garment undoubtedly included the sapphire blue ribband as directed in Numbers 15:38-39 as mentioned above, that symbolized the commandments of God. That is why the woman sought so earnestly to touch that hem or fringe. She knew Malachi's prophecy, and in faith she made her way through the crowd to claim that healing.

So regarding the whoring harlot church, though she claims to be God's representative on earth, the missing color blue in her description indicates that she defiantly disregards and transgresses the law of God. One of the characteristics of the antichrist power is lawlessness:

[NIV] 2 Th 2:3 Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.

[NIV] 2 Th 2:7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way.

And, note what the antichrist little horn power tries to change:

Dan 7:25 And he [little horn] shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws [of the most High]: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

The only one of the ten commandments of God that deals with time is the sabbath commandment (Exo. 20:8-11), which the Catholic Church claims to have changed, from Saturday the seventh day, to Sunday, the first day of the week:

2175 Sunday is expressly distinguished from the sabbath which it follows chronologically every week; for Christians its ceremonial observance replaces that of the sabbath.

Source: Catechism of the Catholic Church, published by Liguori Publications, English translation copyright 1994 by the United States Catholic Conference, Inc.--Libreria Editrice Vaticana, bearing the Imprimi Potest of Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, page 524.


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Rantings of a mad man.

That's all I really see here.

Maybe you could start over and try to explain again what your point is? lmao
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THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS

The "Mother"

The woman of Revelation 17 is the mother church, with apostate daughters:

Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

Only the Roman Catholic Church claims to be the "mother" Christian church:

The term Mother Church, however, as applied to Rome, has a special significance as indicating its headship of all churches.

Source: The Catholic Encyclopedia, copyright 1909, 1913, Volume 6, entry on Filial Church (daughter church), pg. 72.

10. ... "It must always be clear, when the expression sister churches is used in this proper sense that the one, holy, catholic and apostolic universal church is not sister but mother of all the particular churches."

Source: Note on the Expression Sister Churches by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger and Archbishop Tarcisio Bertone, SDB, June 30, 2000.

In the recent document Memory and Reconciliation, where the Roman Catholic Church discusses its asking forgiveness for its past sins of persecution, section 3.4 specifically addresses "The Motherhood of the Church":

The conviction that the Church can make herself responsible for the sin of her children by virtue of the solidarity that exists among them through time and space because of their incorporation into Christ and the work of the Holy Spirit, is expressed in a particularly effective way in the idea of “Mother Church” (“Mater Ecclesia”), ...

Source: The Document: MEMORY AND RECONCILIATION.
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IN HER OWN WORDS

2. ... in every land where the Catholic religion flourishes the Roman Church, mother and mistress of all Churches, is duly reverenced, as it should be, with one mind and heart.

Source: EXEUNTE IAM ANNO, ENCYCLICAL OF POPE LEO XIII ON THE RIGHT ORDERING OF CHRISTIAN LIFE, Dec. 25th, 1888.
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Furthermore, to check unbridled spirits, it [The Council of Trent] decrees that no one relying on his own judgment shall, in matters of faith and morals pertaining to the edification of Christian doctrine, distorting the Holy Scriptures in accordance with his own conceptions, presume to interpret them contrary to that sense which holy mother Church, to whom it belongs to judge of their true sense and interpretation, has held and holds, or even contrary to the unanimous teaching of the Fathers, even though such interpretations should never at any time be published. Those who act contrary to this shall be made known by the ordinaries and punished in accordance with the penalties prescribed by law.
THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS

Furthermore, to check unbridled spirits, it [The Council of Trent] decrees that no one relying on his own judgment shall, in matters of faith and morals pertaining to the edification of Christian doctrine, distorting the Holy Scriptures in accordance with his own conceptions, presume to interpret them contrary to that sense which holy mother Church, to whom it belongs to judge of their true sense and interpretation, has held and holds, or even contrary to the unanimous teaching of the Fathers, even though such interpretations should never at any time be published. Those who act contrary to this shall be made known by the ordinaries and punished in accordance with the penalties prescribed by law.
Source: The Canons and Decrees of the Council of Trent, English Translation, by Rev. H. J. Schroeder, O.P., Copyright 1941 by B. Herder Book Co., Copyright 1978 by TAN Books and Publishers, Inc., Library of Congress Catalogue Number: 78-66132, ISBN 0-89555-074-1, pages 18-19.

Extract from Pope Gregory VII's Letter to the Bishop of Metz, 1081 Doeberl, op. cit. iii. 40 sqq. Mirbt, No. 297

The holy fathers, as well in general councils as in their writings and doings, have called the Holy Roman Church the universal mother, accepting and serving with great veneration this institution founded by the divine will, this pledge of a dispensation to the church, this privilege entrusted in the beginning and confirmed to St. Peter the chief of the apostles.

Source: Documents of the Christian Church, Second Edition, selected and Edited by Henry Bettenson, Copyright by Oxford University Press 1963, ISBN 0-19-501293-3, pages 105-106.

I acknowledge the holy Catholic and apostolic Roman Church as the mother and teacher of all churches; and to the Roman Pontiff, the successor of the blessed Peter, chief of the Apostles and vicar of Jesus Christ, I promise and swear true obedience.

Source: The Profession of Faith of the Council of Trent, from the Bull of Pius IV, "Iniunctum nobis," Nov. 13, 1565, Denzinger, Enchiridion Symbolorum, Thirtieth Edition, translated by Roy J. Deferrari in The Sources of Catholic Dogma, Copyright 1957 by B. Herder Book Co., pg. 303.
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Mystery

MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.


This self-proclaimed "mother" church is also Mystery Babylon, the apostate church of Mysteries and the purveyor of Babylonian doctrinal confusion. Note this quote of John Paul II from the Vatican Information Service press release dated 17 September, 1997, (emphasis is mine):

Thanks to greater attention to the mystery of the Church and Mary's relationship with her, the Virgin has begun to be invoked more frequently as 'Mother of the Church.'

Mystery is also the term used by the Roman Catholic Church to refer to the Mass, specifically the transubstantiation of the bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ. It is a key part of Catholic dogma. These are the words of the priest in Latin or English (emphasis is mine):

HIC EST ENIM CALIX SANGUINIS MEI, NOVI ET AETERNI TESTAMENTI: MYSTERIUM FIDEI, QUI PRO VOBIS ET PRO MULTIS EFFUNDETUR IN REMISSIONEM PECCATORUM.

FOR THIS IS THE CHALICE OF MY BLOOD, OF THE NEW AND ETERNAL TESTAMENT, THE MYSTERY OF FAITH, WHICH FOR YOU AND FOR MANY SHALL BE SHED UNTO THE REMISSION OF SINS.

The Catholic is also well familiar with many "mysteries" through the recitation of their Hail Marys and the rosary. There are 15 decades of prayer (150 recitations) and during each decade of ten recitations, the Catholic contemplates on one of the "mysteries" of the church, which are as follows:

The Fifteen Mysteries of the Rosary are divided into three groups: the Joyful, the Sorrowful and the Glorious.

* The 5 Joyful Mysteries
o The Mystery of the Annunciation
o The Mystery of the Visitation
o The Mystery of the Birth of the Lord
o The Mystery of the Presentation in the Temple
o The Mystery of Finding Jesus in the Temple
* The 5 Sorrowful Mysteries
o The Mystery of the Agony in the Garden
o The Mystery of the Scourging at the Pillar
o The Mystery of the Crowning with Thorns
o The Mystery of Jesus carrying his cross
o The Mystery of the Crucifixion
* The 5 Glorious Mysteries
o The Mystery of the Resurrection
o The Mystery of the Ascension of Our Lord
o The Mystery of the Descent of the Holy Spirit
o The Mystery of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin
o The Mystery of the Coronation of the Blessed Virgin as Queen of Heaven
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The Persecuting Church DRUNKEN on Blood

6And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus:

The woman of Revelation 17 is drunk with the blood of Christian martyrs:

Rev 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

A harlot drunken on blood:

Soul of Christ, sanctify me.
Body of Christ, save me.
Blood of Christ, INEBRIATE me.
Water from the side of Christ, wash me.
...
From the prayer Anima Christi (Soul of Christ).



in·e·bri·ate/-brē-it/
Noun: A drunkard: "he was marked down as an inebriate".
Verb: Make drunk; intoxicate.

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The prayer Anima Christi can be found on scores of Catholic web sites, and actually asks for drunkenness from the blood of the golden cup. Web site: Anima Christi. The Roman Catholic Church during the "dark ages" is responsible for the persecution deaths of uncounted thousands of Christians who dared to read the Bible, translate the Bible or preach from the Bible or denied the apostate Catholic doctrines or dogma, such as transubstantiation.

That the Roman Catholic church felt compelled to ask for forgiveness for her persecution sins of the past on March 12th, 2000, only serves to further confirm she is the apostate persecuting mother church responsible for the blood of the saints spoken of in Revelation!

60 MILLION SAINTS KILLED AT HER HANDS
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THE BEAST THAT WAS, AND IS NOT, AND YET IS

The Beast That Was, and Is Not, and Yet Is.

Rev 17:7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

The angel explains to John that there are three phases to the beast:

The Beast that Was

Papal sovereignty and persecution
1260 years (538-1798)

Is Not

Papal sovereignty lost
(1798-1929)

And Yet Is

Papal sovereignty restored
(1929 - ?)




* For 1260 years the papacy ruled over Europe, from 538 to 1798. During these dark ages the papacy exercised both political and ecclesiastical power, the woman rode the beast, the beast that was.

6 and the woman fled into the Desert, there to be cared for, for 1,260 days, in a place which God had prepared for her.

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1 And a great marvel was seen in Heaven-- a woman who was robed with the sun and had the moon under her feet, and had also a wreath of stars round her head, was with child, 2 and she was crying out in the pains and agony of childbirth.

3 And another marvel was seen in Heaven--a great fiery-red Dragon, with seven heads and ten horns; and on his heads were seven kingly crowns. 4 His tail was drawing after it a third part of the stars of Heaven, and it dashed them to the ground. And in front of the woman who was about to become a mother, the Dragon was standing in order to devour the child as soon as it was born.

5 She gave birth to a son--a male child, destined before long to rule all nations with an iron scepter. But her child was caught up to God and His throne, 6 and the woman fled into the Desert, there to be cared for, for 1,260 days, in a place which God had prepared for her.

7 And war broke out in Heaven, Michael and his angels engaging in battle with the Dragon. 8 The Dragon fought and so did his angels; but they were defeated, and there was no longer any room found for them in Heaven. 9 The great Dragon, the ancient serpent, he who is called 'the Devil' and 'the Adversary' and leads the whole earth astray, was hurled down: he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him. 10 Then I heard a loud voice speaking in Heaven. It said, "The salvation and the power and the Kingdom of our God have now come, and the sovereignty of His Christ; for the accuser of our brethren has been hurled down--he who, day after day and night after night, was wont to accuse them in the presence of God. 11 But they have gained the victory over him because of the blood of the Lamb and of the testimony which they have borne, and because they held their lives cheap and did not shrink even from death. 12 For this reason be glad, O Heaven, and you who live in Heaven! Alas for the earth and the sea! For the Devil has come down to you; full of fierce anger, because he knows that his appointed time is short."

13 And when the Dragon saw that he was hurled down to the earth, he went in pursuit of the woman who had given birth to the male child. 14 Then, the two wings of a great eagle were given to the woman to enable her to fly away into the Desert to the place assigned her, there to be cared for, for a period of time, two periods of time, and half a period of time, beyond the reach of the serpent. 15 And the serpent poured water from his mouth--a very river it seemed--after the woman, in the hope that she would be carried away by its flood. 16 But the earth came to the woman's help: it opened its mouth and drank up the river which the Dragon had poured from his mouth. 17 This made the Dragon furiously angry with the woman, and he went elsewhere to make war upon her other children--those who keep God's commandments and hold fast to the testimony of Jesus.

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* The papacy lost its political power February 15th, 1798, with the capture of Pius VI by the armies of Napoleon, and it lost the last of the Papal States, on September 20th, 1870 when Italian troops seized the city of Rome, leaving the Pope a virtual prisoner in the Vatican. The Catholic Church had lost her political power and sovereignty, consequently the beast was not.

* Now, John in chapter 17, sees the harlot in her final phase after she has regained her lost political power (sit on the beast), and the world wonders at her revival. Papal sovereignty was restored February 11th, 1929 with the signing of the Lateran Treaty with Benito Mussolini. And yet the beast is. It has ascended back out of extinction, or the bottomless pit, and proceeds from there to its destruction.
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Was Peter "really" the first Pope?

Introduction


Before we answer this historical question, students of the Bible and Church history, should be encouraged to ask, why would certain "ecclesiastical parties" want everyone to give an affirmative yes to this question? Because if this can be substantiated and unequivocally be found in Scripture, then it might give the Pope of Rome his dictatorial and tyrannical authority, which he has enjoyed for many centuries, even though it is very difficult to find early Christians even discussing the "primacy of Peter," let alone an alleged unbroken Apostolic chain to the incumbent Pope of the day.
Yet amazingly, Pope Gregory the Great (590-604AD) rejected outright the title of "Pope," but his successor, Pope Boniface II, cherished it (Catholic Encyclopaedia, Vol. II, pg. 660.)
Pope Damasus (366-384AD) was the first to call himself Pope (Catholic Encyclopaedia, Vol. IV, pg. 614.)

The same Encyclopaedia makes the non-biblical claim that the Pope is "lord of Heaven, Earth and Hell" (Vol. VI, pg. 48.)

Rome also adheres to a strange Eastern religious view, which seems to border on the lines of reincarnation, for it states that Peter's spirit somehow speaks through living Popes, and it was Pope Leo I (449AD) who first introduced this view into the Catholic Church (Philip Schaff, History of the Christian Church, Vol. III, pg. 744.)

Holy Scripture

If there's no other verse a Catholic can cite of the top of their head, it will always be Matthew's Gospel, chapter 16, and here it is from the Catholic Douay-Rheims Bible:

"And I say to thee: That thou art Peter [petros]; and upon this rock [petra] I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."

(Rome believes that there are Aramaic and Hebrew manuscripts for the New Testament. However, if this is true, then they are as elusive as Iraq's weapon of mass destruction, for no Scholar religious or secular has ever found one fragment. Some may also be interested to learn that the meaning of the Aramaic word for Peter (Cephas) is sand. Not the best foundation to build upon (Matt. 7:26, 27.)

Now on the surface it all appears rather simple. The Lord makes Peter the Church on which He will build on.

But when one reads the whole Bible, problems soon occur. First, the Greek word for Peter is petros (small stone.) Second the Greek word for rock is petra (large stone.)

Please also note that in John 1:42, Jesus calls Peter "a" stone. Not "the" stone. The term "the" stone is given to Jesus Christ alone by PETER himself in Acts 4:11. And not only does Peter twice in the NT call Jesus "the" stone or "rock", but Martha, Lazarus' sister, practically echoes the same words of Peter from Matt. 16, in John 11:27: "Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world." So both Peter and Martha affirm that Jesus is the Rock.

So it would appear that a careful play on words has just taken place. Jesus is not making Peter the Church/Rock, but rather He is the Rock Himself, with Peter being a small stone - one of many. We also learn that Jesus has to be the Rock, when we read Matt. 7:24;1 Pet. 2:4-9.)

The Apostle John, who outlived all the apostles, never mentions Pope Peter's death, burial and succession.

Church "fathers" such as Irenaeus, Polycarp, Origen, Cyprian, Jerome, Hilary and Ambrose, never acknowledged or taught that Peter was the first Pope (Kerr, pgs. 48, 49.)

James and John were given special places of position with Jesus in the future Kingdom, yet Peter wasn't consulted once nor did Jesus refer them to him. We also read in John's Gospel, how certain Greeks went to Philip to have him introduce them to Jesus. Philip then went to Andrew (not Peter) to speak with Jesus. And at the end of this Gospel, Peter is rebuked by Jesus again, but this time for asking what John's future fate would be. If anybody is to be considered as "Papal" material, it would not be Peter (a man who tried to kill Malchus, deny Jesus three times and preach a false gospel in Gal. 2) but Paul the Apostle. Yet even he was more modest and humble then most modern day preachers are, whether Protestant or Catholic.

Quotes from the "Fathers" and others

"But if you think that the whole Church was built by God upon Peter alone, what would you say about John, the son of thunder, or each of the apostles? Or shall we venture to say that the gates of hell shall not prevent against Peter but shall prevent against the other apostles and those that are perfect? Are not the words in question 'the gates of hell shall not prevail against it' and 'upon this rock I will build my Church' said in the case of all and each of them?" - Origen, Com. in Matt., xvi, 18 (Migne), pg. 13:1000.

"Certainly the rest of the apostles were what Peter was, endued with an equal fellowship of dignity and power" - Cyprian, De Unitate, 4.

"But you say that the Church is founded upon Peter although the same thing is done in another place upon all the apostles, and all receive the kingdom of heaven, and the solidity of the Church is established equally upon all, nevertheless among the twelve one is therefore chosen that by the appointment of a head an occasion of dissension may be taken away"- Jerome, Adv. Jovianum, 1:26 (Migne) P.L. 23:258.

"This is, upon the rock of the confession." Paul was equal in honour to Peter - Chrysostom, Hom. Liv. in Matt. xvi. 2.

"Calling, I suppose, nothing else the rock, in allusion to his name, but the immovable and firm faith of the disciple on which the Church of Christ is founded and established" - Cyril of Alexandria, De SS. Trinitate, dial. iv P.G. 75:856.

"Upon this rock of the confession is the building up of the Church.....This faith is the foundation of the Church"- St. Hilary, De Trinitate vi, 36. P.L. 10:186-7.

"Faith in then the foundation of the Church, for not the human person of St. Peter but of faith is it said that the gates of hell shall not prevail against it" - St. Ambrose, De Incarn., v. 34, P.L. 16:827.

"To all the apostles after His resurrection He gives equal power and says, 'As the Father sent Me so I send you.'" - Cyprian, De Unitate, 4.)

Cyril would also say, much to the horror of today's Catholic apologists:

[Peter and James]: "Were of equal rank with each other as apostles" (Ad. Nest, pg. 77:112.)

[Peter & Paul were]: "The presidents of the Churches" (Catech. vi, 15, pg. 33:561.)

Chrysostom echoes Cyril and would give Paul the much-deserved credit that today's Catholic Church often denies him:

[Paul was] "The teacher of the word, the planter of the Church. If therefore he receives a greater crown than the apostles and be greater then they, it is manifest that he shall enjoy the highest honour and pre-eminence" (Hom. viii, pg. 48:772.)

"Where Paul was, there also was Christ. He is the light of the Church, the foundation of the faith, the pillar and ground of the truth" (Hom i in Rom. xvi, pg. 51:191.)

[Paul was]: "The apostle of the world" (Hom. xxi in Ep. I ad Cor, pg. 61:171.)

[Paul]: "He had the care not of one household but also of cities and of peoples and of nations and of the whole world" (Hom. xxv in Ep. Ii ad Cor, pg. 61: 571.)

[Paul was]: "The chief and leader of the choir of the saints" (Hom. xxxii in Rom. xvi, pg. 60:678.)

Augustine would also add the following:

"When apostle is said, if it be not expressed what apostle, none is understood save Paul" (Contra duas Ep. Pelag., iii, 3. P. L. 44:589.)

Then we have two Jesuits with their view on this. First, Juan Maldonatus from the sixteenth century, said the following about the rock:

"There are among ancient authors some who interpret 'on this rock', that 'on this rock' or 'on this confession of faith in which thou hast called Me the Son of the living God', as Hilary and Gregory Nyseen, and Chrysostom, and Cyril of Alexandria. St. Augustine, going still further away from the true sense, interprets 'on this rock' that is 'on myself Christ, because Christ was the rock.'" (Catholic Encyclopaedia, Vol. ix, pg. 567.)

Now we turn to John McKenzie, SJ:

"The position of Peter in the apostolic group was one of pre-eminence; this is a commonplace in Catholic theology, and it has within recent years been set forth very clearly by the Protestant scholar, Oscar Cullmann. It is also beyond dispute that to call Peter the "Pope" of the apostolic college is to imply a position of which the New Testament knows nothing. Here again the Acts of the Apostles and the epistles of Paul are our best witnesses; in these Peter appears as a leader, but not endowed with supreme jurisdiction. We cannot define the position of Peter exactly in any of the terms which we use; and the New Testament has left his position undefined in its own language. The thesis of the primacy is weakened if one attempts to find in Peter the jurisdiction which has long been exercised by the Roman Pontiff for some 1700 years. This is a long time, and it takes one back very near to the apostolic Church; but Peter lacks that position in the New Testament which he ought to have if he or anyone else thought of him as Pope" (The Power and the Wisdom: An Interpretation of the New Testament, 1965, pgs. 179, 80.)

And we also have two interesting statements, from two Popes. The first being Pope Gregory I:

[Paul] "Obtained the principate OF THE WHOLE CHURCH" (In 1 Reg., lib. iv, cv. 28. P. L. 79: 303.)

"Pope Boniface VIII in his Bull Unam Sanctum, cites John xxi. 17 as authorising HIS SUPREMACY NOT ONLY OVER THE CHURCH BUT OVER KINGS" (Kerr, pg. 55.)

And to show that the fathers were far from united on Peter's supremacy we discover, for example, that Irenaeus taught that Linus was in fact the first bishop of Rome.

Irenaeus' view was the most popular one and subsequently was ratified by the apostolic constitution in 270AD (De Rosa.)

Yet Chrysostom believed:

[That John] "Is the pillar of the churches throughout the world, who hath the keys of the kingdom of heaven (Hom. i in Joan, pg. 59:480). [John & Peter received]: The charge of the world" (Hom. i in Joan, pg. 59:25.)

So for an overview of how the "fathers" universally understood this doctrine to be, please see the following breakdown, taken from Bishop Kerr:

Forty-four for it meaning the faith Peter confessed.

Sixteen for it being Christ Himself.

And eight for it [being] all the apostles.

Bishop Kerr then goes on to quote Catholic Archbishop Kenrick:

"From this it follows either that no argument at all, or a feeble one, can be drawn in proof of the primacy of Peter from the words on this rock will I build my church. If we ought to follow the greater number of the fathers on this question then certainly it is to be held that we should understand by the rock the faith professed by Peter and not Peter professing the faith" (pg. 48.)

If only more bishops in Rome were as honest as this, how different their church and the world would be!

The title and fable that Peter was the first pope, with all its lavish sacraments and power, has slowly and gradually been woven into Vatican history over the centuries.

I would also refer the reader to a verse that most Catholic apologists miss, when trying to propagate their false notion that Peter was in Rome with Paul:

"And so I have made it my aim to preach the gospel, NOT WHERE CHRIST WAS NAMED, lest I should build on ANOTHER MAN'S FOUNDATION" (Rom. 15:20.)

It is quite clear from the above Scripture that Paul would not and did not visit and lay a foundation to a new or existing church, if an apostle or evangelist had already been there.

I would also point the reader to the 1st Peter 5:13, written around 66AD, the year Peter died:

"The church that is at BABYLON, elected together with you, saluteth you; and so doth Marcus my son."

(The Catholic Church likes to say that Babylon is the code name for Rome. Yet when Bible believers point out to them Babylon is listed again in Rev. 17 - the whore of Rome - they quickly dismiss this by claiming that this is ancient Rome. However, that won't do - John the apostle who had travelled far with the Gospel, when shown this beast by the angel in Revelation 17:6, looked at it with "great admiration." Why would he have admired it, if he had lived under Roman occupation ALL OF HIS LIFE?)

So the reader is presented with three options:

1. Peter died in Jerusalem?

2. He died in Babylon?

3. Or he went to Rome and died there? This of course being the most unlikely and difficult to prove, for Scripture is silent on this.

One must also appreciate that from the third to the fifth tenth century, all Catholic bishops were addressed as pope or papa.

"It [the title pope] was not universally recognised in the West as a Roman title until the eleventh century" (Noel, pg. 23.)

Even today, Italians still call the Pope, "papa."

Please also note that the following "fathers" such as Cyprian, Origen, Cyril, Hilary, Jerome, Ambrose and Augustine, never acknowledged that the Keys the Lord gave Peter in Matt. 16:19 would be successive.

The early Church understood this commission to be solely for Peter alone; and subsequently no transfer of power or authority was ever practised in the early church. However, when taking a broader look at Scripture, one should understand that all the disciples, and especially the apostle Paul, were also given the Keys/authority to present the Kingdom of God to a lost world.

And this commission has been given to all believers, vicariously; for all believers, according to the apostles Peter and John are royal priests (1 Pet. 2 9; Rev. 1:6.)

It must also be stated that all the Church Councils from Nicaea (4th century) to Constance (15th century) affirmed that Christ and Christ ALONE was the Foundation and the Rock to which the Church rests.

So to recap whom the Rock is: the Foundation/Church is Christ, (Acts 4:11,12) and He is also the Rock that Paul taught (1 Cor. 3:11; 10:4) and Peter later affirmed this Biblical doctrine himself (1 Pet. 2:6, 7.)

And to finally nail this down, we offer one last view: David trusted in the Lord God his ROCK (Ps. 18:2.) Christ is the express image of God (Heb. 1:3.) There is only one GOD (Deut. 6:4.) Jesus affirms this (Mark 12: 29.) Christ states unequivocally that He is the Lord God Almighty (John 8:58.)

Therefore David trusted in one God - Jesus Christ. Peter trusted in one God - Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ's Church is His body, and only those that are in Him and trusting in Him, will ever be saved (John 1:12; Eph. 4:30.)

Just finally on this question about Peter, the reader may be interested to know that Simon Peter only wrote two epistles, which contained 8 chapters and 166 verses (some scholars even doubt he wrote the second Epistle.)

Yet Paul wrote 13 epistles, possibly 14 (that being Hebrews) and his chapters total 87, with 2,023 verses.

If Peter was the first pope, why is it that Paul dominates the New Testament with his writings? Why is it that James, the Lord's half brother, is mentioned before Peter in superiority in Galatians 2:9, and why is it that he sums up the Churches first meeting in Acts 15, not Peter?

May I leave the reader with these wise words from former Jesuit, George Tyrrell:

"Sooner of later the historical lie of the Papacy must be realised by every educated Roman" (Life, Vol II, pg. 383.)
"He that hath ears to hear, let him hear."
- Matthew 11:15
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