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Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans?

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Vincent Bridges
User ID: 4052
7/14/2005 4:15 PM
Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans?Quote

Vincent (or anyone else), are you familiar with Anab Whitehouse? He´s a Sufi who has a website (and counseling service) to help people dealing with spiritual abuse (spiritual-abuse-recovery-assistance.org). He had the best article on the C´s and Laura that I´ve ever read. And he´s the one who originally suggested that the C´s may not be what they said they were but fit the jinns quite well. I had to go read up on the jinns, and what I read gave me the creeps. Anyway, he had a discussion board on his website, which I joined so I could learn more about Sufism. He mentioned on the board that he had been hounded by C members after the article went up and had never seen anything like it. The article is no longer there, and the discussion board has vanished as well. I don´t know what happened, as I didn´t check in as often as I should have.

He might have some information or input that could be helpful. Or it could be that he just wants to distance himself from the whole topic.

V: Yes, his wife was on the FWMS discussion group for awhile, and they seem like good honorable sorts, insulted by LKJ´s attempt to pervert Al Arabi and other Sufi writers. They eventually took it all down because the C-cult just wouldn´t go away. The prophet taught that it was vain to attempt to fight or conquer the evil jinn, that´s Allah and the angels´ job...

VB
Anders (BBM)
User ID: 5109
7/14/2005 4:37 PM
Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans?Quote

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Anders (BBM)
User ID: 5109
7/14/2005 5:55 PM
Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans?Quote

Folks.

The St Petersburg Times in Florida are ignoring this major news story.

Here are the email addresses of the relevant editors - please feel free to email them and ask that they assign a Crime reporter to investigate this scam


timespresident@sptimes.com FYI your editors are ignoring this major story ...
5k Thu, 14 Jul 15:10 rfischer@sptimes.com $250,000 New port Richey Laura and Ark Knight-J...
5k Thu, 14 Jul 15:05 klink@sptimes.com $250,000 New port Richey Laura and Ark Knight-J...
5k Thu, 14 Jul 15:05 huntley@sptimes.com $250,000 New port Richey Laura and Ark Knight-J...
5k Thu, 14 Jul 15:04 trigaux@sptimes.com $250,000 New port Richey Laura and Ark Knight-J...
5k Thu, 14 Jul 15:03 deggans@sptimes.com $250,000 New port Richey Laura and Ark Knight-J...
5k Thu, 14 Jul 15:02 susan@sptimes.com $250,000 New port Richey Laura and Ark Knight-J...
5k Thu, 14 Jul 15:01 dyckman@sptimes.com $250,000 New port Richey Laura and Ark Knight-J...
5k Wed, 13 Jul 18:46 gailey@sptimes.com, french@sptimes.com Laura and Ark Knight-Jadczyk House Raffle Scam ...
5k Wed, 13 Jul 18:43 gailey@sptimes.com, french@sptimes.com Re: Laura and Ark Knight-Jadczyk House Raffle S...
5k Wed, 13 Jul 14:09 tfrench@sptimes.com
Anders (BBM)
User ID: 5109
7/14/2005 6:11 PM
Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans?Quote

Miami Herald is next

get some competition going... where is Woodstein when we need them???

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Anders (BBM)
User ID: 5109
7/14/2005 6:26 PM
Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans?Quote

And we scream past the big 7000!

Must be the wolf´s lair folks!

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Anders (BBM)
User ID: 5109
7/14/2005 6:44 PM
Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans?Quote

V: Thanks for posting this Andy... I´ve been looking for something like it in English, but yes, that´s exactly what I´m talking about.

All the French police need is one solid criminal action, along the lines of those you listed above, and they will move. Surely, with the tales we´ve exchanged just on this threads, we have enough to tip the scales. One person who sold everything, and gave it to C-cult and now feels brainwashed, or one person threatened into leaving their family, just one, who will file an official complaint with the prefecture in their town, and the police will move...

VB




I know a cert. The guy I mentioned on page 4 or 5.

When Ark lost his wig and started his scattergun ´A lie, and you know it Andy. Do you want emails posted to provide documentation?´ to everything I said, he dropped his saggy ass right in it:

Check out these STO words of his and NOTE WELL how up-to-speed he and Laura are on this mark, er, guy´s INVESTMENTS!!!!!!!

From page 6 of this thread Ark and the QFG CCC dupes say:

´Exactly ONE person sold his home to move to France.´


Anders - what a MAROON!!! I have PROOF that YOU SOLD YOUR HOME to move to France! So that makes YOU a liar because 1 + 1 = TWO last time I took the Cambridge Tripos!!! And for a so-called mathematician you FAIL!

LMAO!

YOU CAN SEE IT FOR YOURSELF HERE

[link to appraiser.pascogov.com]

AND HERE

[link to appraiser.pascogov.com]

Ark, Laura, and QFS CCC dupes continue:

´It was his intention to engage in vitamin supplement importing into the EU with the help of several contacts of Ark and Laura in the EU.´


Anders - WHAT ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT LAURA AND ARK ´contacts´(((LMAO!!!!!!!))) to dupe this guy to sell up his half a million +++ dollar home in Orange County, CA, and come on over.

The EU is banning Vitamin Supplements and this has been WELL KNOWN for YEARS!!!

ANOTHER SCAM!!!

THE LIST GROWS LONGER BY THE HOUR!!!

[link to www.timesonline.co.uk]

London TIMES

July 12, 2005

Controversial EU vitamins ban to go ahead
By Sam Knight, Times Online

A controversial new EU regulation that has threatened to outlaw thousands of mineral supplements and bankrupt health food stores across Britain was upheld this morning.

The European Court of Justice approved the Food Supplements Directive even though the court´s own Advocate-General advised that the Directive was invalid under EU law.



From page 6 of this thread Ark, Laura and the QFG CCC dupes continue:

´He presently lives near them, in a small town. He IS of retirement age and is, basically, retired though he does have a rather large investment portfolio, management of which, apparently, takes up most of his time.´


LMAO!!!

Not the story we heard from someone at Castleopaea.

He turned up and was not made too welcome after a few days. The poor man had to move out. I will pass for the moment on exactly why.

And as any fool will tell you, it is all over the news that the EU was planning to BAN public access to all vitamins and suppements - this has been known for years and has outraged us Europeans.

So that business plan baloney is just that - baloney.

So much for Laura and Ark and their ´contacts´!!!

I feel so sorry for this poor man.

But what STRUCK ME was the comment that ´he does have a rather large investment portfolio...´!!!!!!!

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!

Buddy - if you are reading this, no shame in doing the right thing mate. You must be pretty lonely to have travelled all that way, sold EVERYTHING, and are only tolerated as living in the local village umpteen miles away with only a dog for company.

Must be a real blast studying your investment portfolio every day - if you have one left that is.

Whatever, you have my sympathy, concern, and best wishes.
Anonymous
User ID: 2197
7/14/2005 7:28 PM
Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans?Quote

<<Anders - what a MAROON!!! I have PROOF that YOU SOLD YOUR HOME to move to France! So that makes YOU a liar because 1 + 1 = TWO last time I took the Cambridge Tripos!!! And for a so-called mathematician you FAIL!>>

Where is the proof that it was Ark that posted? I have seen other people using the repetition-technique other than Ark (if that is what you base the assumption on)...

Just checking.
Anonymous
User ID: 2197
7/14/2005 7:30 PM
Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans?Quote

<<<From page 6 of this thread Ark, Laura and the QFG CCC dupes continue:>>>

Never mind...
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 10118
7/14/2005 7:32 PM
Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans?Quote

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Ultraman
User ID: 828
7/14/2005 7:32 PM
Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans?Quote

I wondering about Josee and the Pussycats.

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Anders (BBM)
User ID: 5109
7/14/2005 7:33 PM
Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans?Quote

Where is the proof that it was Ark that posted? I have seen other people using the repetition-technique other than Ark (if that is what you base the assumption on)...

Just checking.


Where is the proof I am posting this now??? LOL.

The PROOF is in the fact that he and Laura posted PERSONAL emails of mine from x years ago.

The only folks that archive ALL personal emails are Laura and Ark.

is that good enough for you?

BTW

what do you make of this URL?

I would appreciate an honest answer please.

[link to appraiser.pascogov.com]
Anders (BBM)
User ID: 5109
7/14/2005 7:37 PM
Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans?Quote

<<<From page 6 of this thread Ark, Laura and the QFG CCC dupes continue:>>>

Never mind...



No worries!

Drop back any time!

Thanks for the bump!

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Anders (BBM)
User ID: 5109
7/14/2005 8:40 PM
Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans?Quote

Where is the proof that it was Ark that posted? I have seen other people using the repetition-technique other than Ark (if that is what you base the assumption on)...

Just checking.



1222

Interesting that you know intimately Dr Ark´s party piece - I am minded of kids that knew Dr Mengele, and never forgot.

I expect you saw or suffered this technique yourself?

Do tell.
Delphine
User ID: 3658
7/14/2005 9:52 PM
Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans?Quote

Delphine, I would actually more or less agree with your friend, and I think many ex-C members would. The problem is Laura (and Ark), not so much the C material. It´s Laura and Ark´s underhanded dealing with people, as well as what appear to be criminal and certainly unethical activities.

As far as the C´s go, the early material lit a fire under me, too. But somewhere along the line, something happened. The whole feeling of the sessions changed. Whoever or whatever the C´s were (and I personally always thought the us-in-the-future bit referred to humanity and not to Laura), something else came in and took over. Something cold and very mechanical. And, unfortunatley, the group followed suit.

Or so I think (!).


I´ve read that the hyperdimensional nasties often insert themselves into such material and push their agendas. And the more people are reading it, the more they try to influence it. Seems it would not be too hard to discern if this is happening, If it´s fear-based, it´s from the fearmongers and feareaters. (Seth and the Law of One material seem mostly free of such influence.)

But isn´t the C´s material ultimately hopeful? They do state that the hyperdimensionals´ agenda is doomed to fail.

I don´t know if this is the place to analyze the
merits and minuses of the C´s, but it´s more interesting to me than going endlessly over Lark´s culpability.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 13343
7/14/2005 10:17 PM
Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans?Quote

discuss merits and minuses of Cs

groundhog day !!!!!!!
Vincent Bridges
User ID: 2342
7/14/2005 11:27 PM
Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans?Quote

Hi Delphine,

While I can appreciate that the C material opened your eyes to some fundamentals truths about reality, I think you must realize that they are not, literally, real... There are no 6th density enlightened beings riding some kind of wave toward our reality nexus. And they are not in touch with LkJ, BM or Zeta Nancy, since they do not exist...

Extraordinary claims required extraordinary proof, period.

Not to promote my work, but my short book The UFO Enigma, available for free at vincentbridges.com, addresses the broader issue contained in many of the favorite subjects on this board. When one actually studies the history of channelling, or mediumship as it was called back then, one can see the outlines of a great, and rapidly approaching shift in consciousness. The ETs, airships, space brothers, reptoid Queens and such like are just the psychic debris thrown up, and back in time, by the approaching singularity of consciousness.

Another symptom of this is the rising tide of fundamentalism of all stripes.

The Cassiopaeans are a symbol of a much broader current than LKJ could ever get her head around. The 1572 supernova in Cassiopeia was quite a signal, and of course, the whole Perseus myth, of which Cassiopeia is a part, is a core myth surrounding alchemy and the Holy Grail. Not to mention the connection of Cassiopeia and Mary Magdalene in renaissance astrology...

If the whole Cassiopaean thing had ended when Fred left, and the real transcripts published at the same time, then it would have been an amazing record of a small groups´ exploration into the fringes of the collective unconscious. It´s value would have been enhanced by the lack of hype, and the nuggets of hard won truth would eventually have surfaced.

Too bad it didn´t happen like that...

VB
Vincent Bridges
User ID: 2342
7/14/2005 11:57 PM
Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans?Quote

Here´s another piece of the larger puzzle...

[link to www.gourmetgarlicgardens.com]

Scroll down and you´ll find the local native americans´ view of the 1572 supernova in Cassiopeia.

VB
OPie
User ID: 11306
7/14/2005 11:59 PM
Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans?Quote

Laura and Ark maintain a yahoo group (Casschat) where people discuss the C´s -- mostly the merits, rarely the minuses, since the group is now controlled the way the main group is. But it´s a good place to go to get more information.
Delphine
User ID: 3658
7/15/2005 12:22 AM
Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans?Quote

Laura and Ark maintain a yahoo group (Casschat) where people discuss the C´s -- mostly the merits, rarely the minuses, since the group is now controlled the way the main group is. But it´s a good place to go to get more information.



Hi OPie, I was at casschat previously, and did not last long. laura ended up calling me (and a friend who was also thrown off)...wait for it...

Cointelpro!

So I have my own little history with Laura, but then, who doesn´t?

:)
Delphine
User ID: 4240
7/15/2005 12:57 AM
Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans?Quote

Hi Delphine,

While I can appreciate that the C material opened your eyes to some fundamentals truths about reality, I think you must realize that they are not, literally, real...

There are no 6th density enlightened beings riding some kind of wave toward our reality nexus. And they are not in touch with LkJ, BM or Zeta Nancy, since they do not exist...

[Delphine]
Hi Vincent, to clarify, that post you are talking about was something I pasted in for a friend, who was involved in the early group ouija board sessions.

As for the C´s not being real, I guess an argument can be made that nothing is realy real,
that it´s all an illusion--as Fred Alan Wolf says, the universe dreaming itself.

[Vincent]
Extraordinary claims required extraordinary proof, period.

[Delphine]
Is there any way we could ever prove the C´s are "real"?

[Vincent]
Not to promote my work, but my short book The UFO Enigma, available for free at vincentbridges.com, addresses the broader issue contained in many of the favorite subjects on this board. When one actually studies the history of channelling, or mediumship as it was called back then, one can see the outlines of a great, and rapidly approaching shift in consciousness. The ETs, airships, space brothers, reptoid Queens and such like are just the psychic debris thrown up, and back in time, by the approaching singularity of consciousness.

Another symptom of this is the rising tide of fundamentalism of all stripes.

[Delphine]
Very interesting, will check out your book, thanks.

[Vincent]
The Cassiopaeans are a symbol of a much broader current than LKJ could ever get her head around. The 1572 supernova in Cassiopeia was quite a signal, and of course, the whole Perseus myth, of which Cassiopeia is a part, is a core myth surrounding alchemy and the Holy Grail. Not to mention the connection of Cassiopeia and Mary Magdalene in renaissance astrology...

If the whole Cassiopaean thing had ended when Fred left, and the real transcripts published at the same time, then it would have been an amazing record of a small groups´ exploration into the fringes of the collective unconscious. It´s value would have been enhanced by the lack of hype, and the nuggets of hard won truth would eventually have surfaced.

Too bad it didn´t happen like that...

[Delphine]
Are the real transcripts still available?

Never too late to have a happy exploration, hm?
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 12671
7/15/2005 1:13 AM
Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans?Quote

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OPie
User ID: 11306
7/15/2005 1:56 AM
Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans?Quote

Ah, Delphine, you´re cointelpro, too, huh? Seems like everyone who asks an embarrassing question is either cointelpro or Vincent in disguise. Laura was told about cointelpro by Jay Weidner. He was suggesting to her that Vincent was cointelpro (long story) and she had to ask him what it was. Suddenly she was an expert. Kinda like the way she became an expert on Fulcanelli once Vincent told her all about him.

Storm Bear gave a link several pages back to download the unedited transcripts. Here it is:

[link to www.cassiopaeacult.com]

I recommend downloading it and reading through them. Much closer to the source.
Anonymous
User ID: 2197
7/15/2005 6:22 AM
Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans?Quote

<<Interesting that you know intimately Dr Ark´s party piece - I am minded of kids that knew Dr Mengele, and never forgot.

I expect you saw or suffered this technique yourself?

Do tell.>>

There is nothing to tell. There is an example of this "technique" on the Cassiopaea website.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 14190
7/15/2005 7:00 AM
Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans?Quote

to heck with laura, anybody know about Josie and the Pussycats?
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 4682
7/15/2005 7:44 AM
Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans?Quote

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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 8226
7/15/2005 8:01 AM
Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans?Quote

This is for Laura, if she´s here.


----------

He replied, ‘These séances fall into three main divisions, but often there is a good deal of over-lapping:

(1) Genuine ones where the medium is controlled by a good spirit.
(2) Genuine cases where the medium is controlled by evil spirits like ourselves.
(3) Fraud.

‘Now, of course, we can’t do anything with No. 1, and No. 3 is useless, but No. 2 is different, and often we succeed in leading astray a medium and converting her into No. 2.’

I inquired, ‘What is it that enables you to get control?’

He answered, ‘If the medium uses her power for her own selfish ends, to advance her own fortunes, etc., then we can get control.’

‘Do you mean that they may not take money? ‘

‘Oh no, a medium, just like a parson, has to live. You don’t think any the worse of a parson because in time he gets a vicarage with £400 a year. A vicar may become a bishop at £3000, but he does not cease to be a good priest necessarily by that fact. If, however, a parson, instead of trying to help his fellow-men, devotes his whole time to getting on in position and fortune, you would at once say he was not a good priest. So with mediums. It’s the motive, and there is no deceiving us in that. Once the motive becomes low, then comes our chance.’

‘What good to ourselves do we gain by doing this sort of work?´ I asked.

He leered. ´First, you gain material elements for this psychic body. Then you gain power. Power! Doesn’t that word make you think? Isn’t it splendid to be able to lead many people by the nose? Above all´—and here he leered even more villainously than before—‘we can pay off old scores, and even occasionally obtain a temporary incarnation. Now, isn’t that worth striving for? Again to walk the earth knowing all you have learnt here—eh?’

I seized on the idea, and soon, with a band of other spirits, we congregated in a room where a woman was sitting surrounded by about a dozen men and women. Beside her stood a great spirit of light, the first I had seen, but he was sore beset by a mob of evil spirits. Again and again he hurled us back, but at length one evil spirit obtained control. Then a howl of delight rose from us all, and we rushed round her and began to form a complete ball of spirits round, above, and below her.

‘What are we doing?’ I asked my evil guide.

‘We are insulating her from the influence of her guardian angel. He cannot penetrate this wall of evil, any more than we can penetrate the wall of good which is around the best mediums. Now watch the spirit who has got to work.’

The medium began to speak. Turning to a middle-aged woman, she said, ‘I am your sister Sally,’ and proceeded to give several pieces of evidence.

‘How does he know all these facts’ I asked.

‘Easy enough. He’s hung round this medium for years, and learnt all sorts of useful information. Now watch him.’

A man in the room spoke.

‘Can you give me any useful information? I mean something of practical value?’

‘I’ll ask your brother George! the spirit replied, and then, assuming that character, said, ‘On financial matters I wish to give you a useful hint, Henry. Come here, and I’ll whisper it in your ear.’ He gave him some advice on certain stocks that the man held, and the latter seemed pleased.

‘You’ll make a pile of money by that,’ the spirit added.

‘Is that true?’ I inquired.

‘Yes, it is, though often we give false advice to ruin our dupes, but sometimes we give genuine information either so as to lead them on, or else so as to keep them engrossed in earthly matters and so prevent them learning more important spiritual truths. Now watch.’

The medium approached a young woman.

‘I know what is in your mind, my dear. Yes, accept him. He will make you a good husband. Don’t listen to the lies which are told you about him.’

‘What is the object of that advice?’ I asked.

My guide replied, ‘The man who has asked her to marry him is a drunken beast, and a blackguard. He’ll drag her down, and then we shall get her.

‘Now see this spirit. He was a jovial hooligan on earth. You’ll see some fun.’

Sure enough, a new control came and began to play all manner of tricks, some harmless, others distinctly malicious, but none quite so devilishly cunning as those of the other spirit. He moved things about and threw them across the room; he hit several persons sharp blows on the head, and hid various objects. He even stole articles out of the sitters’ pockets without their knowledge. Nearly all these things were done without any visible contact. Finally, he tipped up the table and upset half the audience. Then we departed.

‘The beauty of these manifestations is,’ said my guide, ‘that they are the only sort of proof that some materialistic beings will accept of the spirit power. Thus many good mediums and controls have to exhibit them, and so we get our insidious messages accepted by the audience on the strength of them. Above all, they wreck the medium and give us power, and often incidentally bring discredit on these séances generally. We don’t like genuine, good mediums and spiritualism generally. They teach and warn too much.’
Gone West - 3 Narratives of After-Death Experiences
[link to www.angelfire.com]
Vincent Bridges
User ID: 684
7/15/2005 8:35 AM
Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans?Quote

Who is Frank Scott?

C. nli

V: This is their cover name for Fred Irland, so they can talk trash about him with getting slapped with another libel suit...

VB
Vincent Bridges
User ID: 684
7/15/2005 8:44 AM
Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans?Quote

to heck with laura, anybody know about Josie and the Pussycats?

V: Do they channel?

VB
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 684
7/15/2005 8:52 AM
Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans?Quote

This is for Laura, if she´s here.

V: Thanks 893, that was funny and rather accurate in fact. The motives of the Qlipoth/astral shell level critters are much as this describes. Using a ouiji board is cited by most Spiritualists as the easiest way to attract the lower astral...

My lovely wife Darlene, who was raised in the Spiritualist tradition and grew up used to such shenanigans from the critters, spotted LKJ right away. I didn´t listen, unfortunately, being willing at the beginning to put aside such complaints for the sake of the "secret" information LKJ was receiving... Guess that makes me a dupe, just as that extract suggests...

VB
anders
User ID: 4682
7/15/2005 8:55 AM
Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans?Quote

I didn´t listen, unfortunately, being willing at the beginning to put aside such complaints for the sake of the "secret" information LKJ was receiving... Guess that makes me a dupe, just as that extract suggests...



me too

that is how Laura has hooked all into the Cass cult

they ALL want to know the secrets
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