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| Infinitea
User ID: 19354
7/21/2005 1:41 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Q: (L) So it is necessary to have a pathway of service to self in order for the pathway of service to others to exist?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) And those who are in the Quorum and the Illuminati ...
A: Blends in middle.
Q: (L) So it is necessary to have the darkness in order to have the light...
A: Yes. "
"In the world of duality where you dwell, shadow defines light, just as it does in photography."
- Pleiadians thru Barbara Marciniak
"Everything is Dual; everything has poles; everything has its pair of opposites; like and unlike are the same; opposites are identical in nature, but different in degree; extremes meet; all truths are but half-truths; all paradoxes may be reconciled."
~Hermes Trismegastus, through Three Initiates |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 19393
7/21/2005 3:46 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
BUMP |
| Vincent Bridges
User ID: 19403
7/21/2005 4:20 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
So, ok. The Cass Experiment is over and nothing but crap data is coming from the group.
Have any attempts been made to reestablish contact while using safe channeling methods and in an open process (no more edited or redacted transcripts?
and if you were going to recreate the experiment, how would you do it?
V: Prior to the March 2001 sessions, which the scamsters seem to value highly, I was able to cast a circle and do a simple banishing and middle pillar. We may think of these sessions as the last time the "Cs" as such were in evidence. I think we may consider that, as both myself and the C-cult folks agree on this one, then these sessions are indeed significant. In July, 2001, I was prevented at every point from doing anything more advanced than simply closing off my own field as protection. What happened was an unmitigated disaster.
Let me be clear. Yes, you can communicate with a large variety of discarnate beings, some smarter than you, but most kind of simple and reflexive. Why bother, if the level of conversation is so poor, and the ego-damage is so severe? But sometimes, it is necessary, and then you do it with great care. In this case, the "Cs" had been out of touch with LKJ since Fred left in October 2000, and frankly, she had to be very desperate to try to as hard as she did to suck me in. That I could, indeed, communicate with all sorts of lower astral critters, and even some from higher up in the unseen, was something of a surprise to her at that point. I think, due to her need and my minor skills, that we tapped into whatever was left of that odd tulpa, or created awareness, that was the Cs. Last hurrah so to speak, and, because of several factors, perhaps the most significant sessions of all. The C-cult moved to France, remember, on the basis of that session...
Many of us have spent quite a bit of time the last few years parsing what happened next. So, for the first time ever publically, Iīm going to relate what we discovered and what we think, in an informed and thoughtful way, happened. (I say we because it was group effort on several fronts, including folks who would rather not be mentioned as a source.)
LKJ tried several times to reconnect with the Cs on the board, with Ark, her youngest daughter, and a local friend of hers who was sort of in the group. Nothing, repeat, nothing worked. Nada, dead, gone, not there any more... I even discussed using this as an advantage, by just announcing that the actual experiment was over, and now it was time to confirm the information. That idea was consistantly rejected. She didnīt even want the faithful to know what was happening, she was afraid that they would stop reading the website if there were no new Cs transmissions.
So, by the time things, on many levels, came to a head in late June, early July 2001, LJ was truly desparate. The Cassiopaean Experiment was over, technically, and all that was left was a lot of bad prose... The afternoon before the infamous session, I watched the gang try to fleece this very polite Finnish/Israeli business. I canīt tell you how strange that was...
Suddenly, when a few minutes of our discussion of why it was a bad idea to try to scam people with anti-gravity machines, LKJ decided it was time to hit the board, and then the mirror.
And so, no preparation, and due to creepy Orri, whom I was required to babysit. heīs blind, while they set up the psychomantium (!) no chance to do anything in terms of protection or even focusing. All I could do was close my aura and hope for the best.
Now, what we discovered later is the source of LKJīs contact with the nether regions. About a mile and a half away is the main "occult center" of a variety of Golden Dawn types. LKJ had already run into one of them, and been soundly rebuffed, but unfortunately, it didnīt end there...
This group had a very serious esoteric structure, known as a Vault, that was unbalanced and leaking... The side effect of that leakage had been the growth of the Cs, as a tulpa-like faux egregore with access to fairly advanced information. This egregore developed as its contact with Fred and LKJ grew, like all such shells or Qlipotic beings it gained rudimentary self awareness as the focus of the group tightened. This contact was broken when Fred left. LKJ, on her own, did not have the skill, either natural or trained, to re-establish contact. That much is solid fact.
I came along, with the training to open the contact one last time. Thatīs all folks... but... LKJ wanted, needed, more...
Now, a Vault isa structure with connections at many levels, and one of those levels is that of the aformentioned Chrononzon... Contacted originally by some those GD/OTO types, it was looking for a host, and through the Cs grew close to LKJ. My role was to unwittingly help LKJ open her awareness to the depth of the demon. As one can hear, the session lurched rapidly out of control, and yes, that is real fear in my voice. If I am freaked, and Iīve seen quite a bit of so called phenomenon, then one might wonder what the hell is going on?
It came through the mirror and got her, completely. And then it turned on me... As I was the only one who knew the truth, I was the one most hated... I was in shock for weeks, and then the attacks started in earnest...
The "channelling" also resumed, almost immediately, with mostly Ark on the board, but more and more it was just LKJ and whoever was there, pushing the planchette around for the hell of it. Then, soon after moving to France, she announced that she was channeling all the time, and could talk to the Cs anytime she wanted, because they just her in the future... And so on... (Cue the theramin...)
VB |
| Infinitea
User ID: 19354
7/21/2005 4:20 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
and if you were going to recreate the experiment, how would you do it?
Isnīt it time for us to find the answers within? Reposting my "channeling" of the Cīs, which I actually think contains a message for us all:
The C´s Speak To Laura
Listen, my love...
Stop...calm down...relax...have fun...laugh...go for walks...eat healthy foods...exercise...meditate...
Get to know YOU
And then what comes through you
Is the highest vibration of us
Then you are us
no separation in this creation
Listen, my love
Listen, listen, my love,
Listen. |
| Sol Invictus
User ID: 3336
7/21/2005 5:10 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Very interesting turn this thread has taken.
First off, lol, Chandra - sorry for thinking you were VB. I´m now 99% sure you´re not ;) I really have to stop pretending I know who is who "behind the words", I´m obviously very bad at it! I was wrong, I´ll admit it openly, hopefully no hard feelings.
Secondly, Vincent, I don´t know you except from the cass site, but I gotta say you present yourself well here. I´ll consider this thread as my "back to square one" in more than one respect, since I probably did fall for the "VB has an agenda to discredit cass.org". Haha, you may well have that agenda of course, but at least now I think that it may or may not be justified.
I do find this whole discussion on channeling interesting though... Hah, just as an "aside" my personal experience is rather limited to a single time some 3 years ago when I felt "in the mood" and tried some automatic writing.
Well it worked alright, my hand did move of its own volition, and when I asked about my future it spelt out "n-o p-l-a". Well I stopped right there, since I´d known some other friends who had been warned "not to play" with Ouijja boards... but then I decided to continue, and my hand finished to say "no plan." I got two more very interesting answers, but they don´t really matter since they may or may not have been just subconscious projections.
Still, it convinced me at least that there WAS something to it, whether subconscious or external. I suppose it all comes down to trust, and intent, though. I trust that I´ll learn what I need, when I need to, and if not... well, we all must stand or fall on our own two feet as it were. It´s tempting to take short cuts and surrender our own wisdom to some "higher power", but I think at our level we are too easily fooled by anything "esoteric" that speaks in pseudo-intellectual terms... not to mention we tend to believe what we already want to believe, and even "higher powers" must have real difficulty relaying "truth" in the semantic minefields that are called modern languages...
I actually still don´t care whether or not the cass site is "legit" or not. As far as I´m concerned, I was done with it over a year ago, and learned what I needed to learn from it. This thread has been an interesting study in human nature though, and I did learn a thing or two, so I just want to thank everyone involved.
Onwards and upwards, and all that!
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| Anders (BBM)
User ID: 19393
7/21/2005 5:20 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Sol
Ad Altiora
(to higher things)
my old jesuit bastard school motto
glad to see you again :O)))
pls come back with your insights |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 3605
7/21/2005 6:25 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Recently I came across the works of Samael Aun Weor. Ran across this last night in one of his works, and thought of this thread:
The intellect is the powerful weapon that the Lucifers use to prevent their victims from
escaping from the abyss. The abyss is full of sincerely mistaken beings. The abyss is full
of people of very good intentions. Many tenebrous ones of the abyss are sincerely mistaken.
The tenebrous ones believe that they can know God with the intellect.
We say that only God knows himself.
...
The disciple who wants to enter the narrow, strait and difficult path that leads to the Light
has to withdraw from all the flattery of the world. The truth, although harsh, is our best
friend.
Almost all the spiritualist brothers are petrified by the intellect; the opium of theories is more dangerous than death.
...
The false Christs have sublime appearances. To say that this is good or that this is bad is
easy; to know the good in the bad and the bad in the good is very difficult.
...
The black lodges are full of sincerely mistaken people. The abyss is full of people of very
good intentions. When we enter the authentic path of initiation, all the spiritualist brothers turn against us. Christ was crucified by the spiritualists of his time.
...
Many enter the path and then they no longer want to continue working to fulfill the needs
of every good citizen. Those poor beings neglect their duties towards their family, the
world and towards themselves.
...
Men who had never stolen, became thieves of books and money when they entered the
path. The brothers who enter the spiritualist path steal books, or they borrow them and
never return them, etc. Others borrow money from their disciples, they ask for money to
be lent to them and then they steal it, etc.
excerpted from
"The Greater Mysteries", Samael Aun Weor (1937-1977)
Interesting to observe the direction of this thread, and relive the history of the Cīs as itīs known to some of us, in light of this manīs words. |
| Anders (BBM)
User ID: 19393
7/21/2005 6:32 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
13817
whoa, good find, how apposite... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 3775
7/21/2005 7:29 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
<<It came through the mirror and got her, completely. And then it turned on me... As I was the only one who knew the truth, I was the one most hated... I was in shock for weeks, and then the attacks started in earnest...
The "channelling" also resumed, almost immediately, with mostly Ark on the board, but more and more it was just LKJ and whoever was there, pushing the planchette around for the hell of it. Then, soon after moving to France, she announced that she was channeling all the time, and could talk to the Cs anytime she wanted, because they just her in the future... And so on... (Cue the theramin...)>>
Are you saying, Vincent, that Laura was able to resume channeling the īCīs after this, or was she channeling something different this time?
Do you know the link or page where she describes this session with you? If you donīt offhand thatīs fine, Iīll do a search. Thanks. |
| OPie
User ID: 19456
7/21/2005 7:40 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
So, Vincent, are you saying that the Cīs were a manifestation of the leakage from this vault, strengthened and given life (so to speak) through Fred, Laura, etc.? Am I understanding that correctly?
Can you explain a little bit more what a Vault is? What is it, and what is it supposed to accomplish?
Interesting. Thanks.
Speaking of the psychomantium ... that thing gave me the creeps. Actually, mirrors have always given me the creeps, though Iīve never understood why. Moreover, I was under the impression (from Laura) that this was a relatively recent invention, but itīs (also) apparent from the emails that she was using it before she ever contacted you. |
| OPie
User ID: 19456
7/21/2005 8:39 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Hereīs the mirror session as sent by Laura to the C group in February 2002. Itīs pretty long, so if it doesnīt all show up here, Iīll split it into two posts. Note that this was transcribed after Laura and Vincentīs "falling-out", and keep that in mind as you read it (I think youīll see why I say that).
July 5, 2001
Ark, Laura, VB, OE, BT
Q: Testing. (L to VB) Warm up your fingers. Youīre not going to go flaky on me are you?
(VB) You never know. Iīll try not to make it go around the board 8 times between letters. I have a terrible time when I start.
(L): Hello, is anyone there? Hello, hello. [Extremely long pause.] Well. We are just sitting here with no action.
(A) A** just walked by. Maybe we wait. They donīt like kids.
(L) They love kids; they just donīt want them around. Itīs not healthy for them. (VB makes inaudible remark) (L) You nonbeliever!
[Laughter] (VB) It didnīt stop them the last time. (L) They were desperate. They had something to say, too. Maybe they thought they told us all we needed to know. [Long pause. L gives VB instruction on how to suspend the arm from the shoulder. Planchette begins to move in circles and stops on Capricorn.]
(L) Hello. Is anyone there?
A: 1
Q: (L) Do you have a name?
A: UC !
Q: U I C ?
A: O U Look. [The word "look" is a whole word on the board and was not spelled out.]
Q: (L) 1 U seek, O U look?
A: S A R Wait. [This last is a whole word on the board and was not spelled out.] Listen. [Another whole word on the board was indicated.]
Q: Listen?
A: Yes. [Another whole word on the board.] M
Q: [Planchette stopped. Long pause.] (VB) It stopped. (L) Itīs like in between Sagittarius and Capricorn.
A: Look. [Again indicating a whole word.]
Q: (L) So, what have they said so far? (A) Once "U C." (VB) What are we supposed to be looking for, or looking at?
A: Lara look. [Spelled "Lara," whole word "look."]
Q: (VB) Well, they spelled your name.
(L) Yeah, but they left out a letter.
A: Laura look. [Spelled name, whole word "look."]
Q: (VB) Is there some reason why you left the "u" out?
A: Yes. Lara L U C.
Q: (L) What is "Lara Luc?"
(VB) Okay, are we talking to the Cassiopaeans? Or are we just scooting around in astral space here?
A: Cassiopaea, Laura.. [Planchette begins to spiral slowly.]
Q: (VB) Okay, what is this?
(L) Itīs still turning. We did that in the beginning a lot. It builds energy. [Planchette continues to spiral.]
A: Aura lock.
Q: (VB) Okay guys, donīt make it fly off the board, alright? [Planchette spiraling faster and faster.]
(A) It is spiraling very fast.
(VB)In my mindīs eye see a little green flame planchette. I can follow it around the board with my eyes closed.
(L) Youīre not supposed to have your eyes closed. Theyīre supposed to be open. (VB) Iīm actually doing better with them closed. Um, is there something to that little green flame Iīm seeing guys? Anything you want to tell me about it? [No answer. Planchette flies out from under VBīs fingers.]
(VB) Okay, than you for flying out from under my hand. And it stopped on that same spot.
(L) Okay, they said they were doing an "aura lock?"
(VB) Yes. Thatīs why I asked about the green flame.
A: 3 body junctim ground rail motqetuh.
Q: (L) I donīt know what they are saying.
A: o s e over k o r e 5 k
Q: (L) It stopped. What did they say? (VB unintelligible remark)
(L) We have to start somewhere until itīs grooved. Itīs called "grooving."
A: New groove. [Planchette spirals.]
Q: (L) Thatīs why theyīre spiraling. And they just want to spiral. [Pause while planchette continues to move in circles.] And it makes your arm tired.
(VB) Maybe thatīs the point? [Long silence while planchette continues to spiral.] Iīm getting in the groove here.
(BT) It will wear out your muscle response.
(L) Yeah. That may be so because of...
(VB) Brother skepticīs desire to make things go a certain way? [Planchette continues to spiral.]
(L) Busy, busy, busy. Boy, they are just busy, arenīt they?
(BT) Pretty energetic spiraling.
(L) My arm is about ready to fall off. All right! Maybe ask some questions, even if we stick with some simple ones here in the beginning.
A: Time to urge everyo [spirallying] ne to under (L sighs)
(VB) Come on. (L sighs) stand ri ri ri de.
Q: [VB rubbing shoulder] (L to VB) You hurting?
(VB) Yeah.
(L) Thatīs good. Somethingīs happening.
(VB) Well yeah. The thingīs flying around the board so fast I canīt...
(L) No, itīs doing other stuff, just trust me.
(VB) What did we get?
(BT) "Time to urge everyone to understand ride."
(L) In other words, that youīre supposed to ride, not drive. I think theyīre having trouble doing things because you like to drive, not ride.
(VB) Well, Iīm doing my best...
(L) I know. (VB) This is so much better than the last time.
(L) Okay. Well, Iīm just telling you. Thereīs probably unconscious reasons for this.
(VB talking seemingly to air) My mistake. Leave me out of it [Irritated].
(L) Well, just stop pressing hard, Just enjoy it. Youīre supposed to enjoy the ride.
(VB) Does your shoulder hurt as much as mine?
[Laughter]
(L) No, but it used to. And it probably hurt a whole helluva lot more.
A: Other method other purpose board is good for grooving so enjoy ride!
Q: (L to VB) Well, you need to be grooved.
(VB) Well whatīs the other method, other purpose?
(A) Itīs open to you to ask.
(L) Is it adviseable to continue to work with the board? In addition to the other method? [Long pause. Spiralling.]
A: Do it here right now.
Q: (L) Do what here right now?
A: Mirror.
Q: (L) Damn it!
(VB) I tell you, you may be grooving me...
(A) Are we having fun?
(L) "Do it here right now?" Why" Sorry guys, I had to ask.
A: See 4 density.
Q: (L) They arenīt gonna let me out of it, are they?
A: Laura now!
Q: (L) Will I see our $300,000 bux?
A: Open maybe gain insight about funds look
Q: (BT to L) Okay, is that just you, or with the moon full or what?
(L to BT) Well, I donīt think it makes any difference. We did it before with Ark and VB. [Long pause.] Any other words of wisdom before we set the mirror up?
(VB) Uh, actually guys, Iīve got a couple of questions. Would you kind of help me out here, since Iīm the "newbie?" I know she needs to look in the mirror, but u, what can you tell me about all this weird stuff? Like what do I need to know?
A: Laura look
Q: (VB) alright, come on, come on. Iīm not through yet! I am the stubborn one guys, Iīm sorry. If Laura looks, is there anything we need to know about her looking to help her do it?
A: Hypnosis laura future time new look deed ok not much human toil to funds
Q: (A) What does this mean?
(VB Peremptorily) Okay, the "deed ok" is, I was silently asking, "I donīt want to hypnotize Laura; Iīm afraid of being another Dr. Puharich" So I think the "deed ok" was, they were answering me in the middle, which may have thrown off the "much human," because I was resisting... Oh, no, no, I donīt want to do this; you guys really donīt want to do this do you?
(L) Well, youīve got to remember, VB, all the work that was done to prevent me from being able to do it naturally, it has to be overcome, and we donīt have a lot of time left.
(VB) Okay. I would prefer to do it another way, but I suppose theyīre not helping me much, though, are they?
(L) Well, why donīt you ask a question to the mirror?
(VB) Well, this is very interesting isnīt it?
(L) Itīs a full moon. [Long pause]
(VB) Okay guys, Iīm getting the feeling that youīre telling us.... [tape ends VB restates lost question on next side] Are you telling me the only reason Iīm here is to make sure she can actually get deep enough to see through the mirror? If not the only reason, maybe a big part of the reason?
A: [Long silence. No response.]
Q: (VB) Say something guys.
A: Percival.
Q: (VB) Okay, thereīs five of us at the moment. Is this making a difference?
A: Yes.
Q: (VB) Should we cut back down to three for the mirror?
A: No. T I u e t h u l t o i t
Q: (L) What was that? Try again, guys.
(VB) Wait, wait, wait, wait.
(L) What was this word? This "tiue" whatever?
A: Ties you to it guide Laura mirror look room is mirage.
Q: (L) What is it?
(VB) They donīt usually spell that bad. Okay, more clarity please, on "room is mirage." What do you mean by that?
A: People in room perceive mirage
Q: (L) Oh, I get it. The people in the room add energy to the viewing so it enables it to come through better and clearer, is that what you are saying?
A: Yes.
Q: (VB) Okay, weīre going to look in the mirror. Weīre going to do it right after you finish this next question. But you need to tell us the steps. You need to tell us exactly how you want it done.
A: point out perception is just mirage and only look for what is real
Q: (VB) What the hell is that? (BT reads back) That was a direct response to you asking for steps.
(VB) Guys that really doesnīt help.
(A) Point out that perception, yes? Is just a mirage, right?
(VB) But theyīre saying that the perception of everyone in the room should be a mirage, that weīre giving energy to the mirage, so how do we see through it?
A: people help move perception satisfactorily jump start
Q: (VB) Okay. Is there anyting else, and if not, weīll go right
to the
mirror. Anything else we need to know? [
A: [No response. Long pause.]
Q: (VB) Absolutely nobody just moved close to me right now. Nobody moved?
(A & B) No. (L) Why? (V) Ooooh, nothing. (A) Something touched you? (VB)
Thatīs right. So what, I need another pat on the shoulder. (B) It was your right shoulder? (VB) Yeah. [End of tape.]
Mirror Session
VB: As you breathe, stay focused on the mirror. And, at the corners of your eyes, allow yourself to become aware of the room. You can see almost all of the room out of the corners of your eyes. Stay focused on the mirror. Take a deep breath, release, again deep breath, release. As you breathe, allow the perceptions of the room to fade. The room we are sitting in is a mirage. Itīs empty. Thereīs nothing here but you and the mirror. Focus your eyes deep into the mirror, and let your perceptions of everything in the room, except the mirror, let them fade. As if it was a mirage in the desert, waving, disappearing, until nothing is left but the mirror. You can see the surface of the mirror, you can perceive a boundary or surface to the mirror. Everything else is fading out. As you look into the mirror, itīs like looking into a very still piece of water. Look deep into that surface, allowing everything else in the room to fade away. Breathing comfortably, relaxing thoroughly, focusing on the mirror. Allowing the room to fade away until nothing remains but the mirror. I want you to focus on the mirror; feel the room fading. Allow yourself to become completely focused; all of your awareness, all of your energy; focused on the mirror; feeling that boundary, the surface of the mirror. In just a moment Iīm going to count from ten to one. With each count you will feel your body getting very light, your body fading away like the rest of the mirage. With each count, as your body fades, feel your awareness going through the boundary, until at the count of one, you will be looking with your eyes open deep into the mirror, past the boundary, and deep within the mirror, you will see only that which is real. As we count back now from ten to one, feeling your body fading away, until is nothing is left but your focus on the mirror. As you focus on the mirror, look deep into its surface, until at the count of one you will be deep within the mirror, seeing only that which is real. Now, counting back: [countdown] Deeply focused into the mirror, just allow the energies to come. Focusing on the mirror. Beneath the surface. Just allow the energies to surface. Keeping your eyes open now, stay focused on the mirror, begin to feel or see or sense what is deep within the mirror. Staying focused on the mirror; just feel your body; staying focused on the mirror, just allow the sensations in your body to drift away.
Deep, slow breaths. Focused on the mirror. Allow any bodily sensations just to fade away. Any discomfort, any tension, just allow it to fade away. Staying focused on the mirror. Allowing the energies to emerge. Looking deep within the mirror.
Just describe what you see and what it is.
[Long pause.]
Whatever you see -start - just allow it to emerge.
[Long pause.]
Whatever it is, just describe what you are seeing in the mirror.
Laura: Lights.
VB: Good. Just keep looking. All the lights. Just keep describing what you see.
Laura: Plasma clouds.
VB: Just stay focused on the mirror. On the clouds. Just tell me what you see. Just describe what you see.
Laura: [Mostly inaudible. Seems to be descriptions of amorphous cloud shapes that move and come and go.]
VB: Stay focused on the mirror. Take a deep breath and allow all bodily sensation to fade away. You can talk easily and without effort. The awareness of your body is fading away as you gaze deep within the mirror. Just describe what you see.
Laura: Nothing in particular. Just amorphous lights and clouds. Shapes. Geometric figures.
VB: Pick one of these figures and look very closely; just describe what you see.
Laura: [Descriptions of shapes and colors, clouds of light, coming and going.]
VB: Keep looking. Can you follow one figure.
Laura: Well, itīs like amorphous. Moving clouds. Some of them billow slowly, some of them are just flitting by.
VB: As you see one flit past, reach out and slow it down.
Laura: Oh, you canīt slow them down.
VB: Speed up to their level to look very closely. What do you see?
Laura: Nothing but lights and clouds.
VB: Take a deep breath. Again a deep breath. And release. With every exhale, every exhale, you become more and more focused on the depths of the mirror. Breathe in, as you release, allow your awareness to go deeper into the mirror. Deep into the mirror. Good. What do you see?
[Long pause.]
VB: Deeper into the mirror. Nothing but the images in the mirror. Deep into the mirror. Breathing deep into the mirror. This room and your body are the mirage. What you see in the mirror is reality. Open yourself to it. Feel it as real, and describe what you see. On the count of three, you will let go of all awareness except for the images deep within the mirror. [Countdown.] Just describe what you see.
Laura: Indefinite shapes and colors and lights. Figures waiting to take form.
VB: Describe what you see.
Laura: Geometric light. Thatīs the only way I can describe it.
VB: Just let go and move deep into the mirror. Go deep into the mirror, so that youīre in the space of the mirror. Youīre in the space of the geometrical lights. With your mindīs eye you can look around in the space; just tell me what you see.
Laura: The problem is, a specific question has to be asked in order for anything to form. [Sound of beating heart on tape.] Vague directions donīt seem to go anywhere except into vague amorphous representations.
VB: Okay. You need to ask a question to see something. Relax completely. Stay open and focus deep within the mirror. Ask your question.
Laura: I am not the one to ask.
VB: Why not?
Laura: Itīs not appropriate.
VB: Why not? Okay! What are you experiencing right now?
Laura: Sensations of constriction.
VB: What is constricting?
Laura: Asking for the self, serves only the self. I cannot be the one to ask. It is inward directed, and constricts.
VB: [Loud smacking noise.] Just keep looking. What are you feeling now?
Laura: Itīs better now. Some danger was passed.
VB: Breathe deep. As you release the exhale, sink back into that space. Deep into the space. See the clouds. We would like for Laura to see an image of the Cīs. Can we see an image of the Cassiopaeans?
Laura: In the mindīs eye.
VB: Youīre looking in the mirror. Watch it form. Tell me what you see?
Laura: Shapes, light.
VB: Keep looking. Relax into it. Can you show Laura more about this image?
Laura: I see an image of a spiral galaxy spinning in space.
VB: Can you show Laura 4th density?
Laura: That is inappropriate phrasing. It causes constriction; constriction in my chest.
VB: Why?
Laura: Because it is phrased so as to be a question from self to self.
VB: On the board, you said that Laura could see 4th density if we looked in the mirror. What did you mean? Can you show Laura what you meant?
Laura: What about 4th density do you wish to see?
VB: Try not to merge with the mirror. What does Laura need to see about 4th density that is so important that we do it now? Show that to her.
Laura: Thatīs an inappropriate request.
VB: On the board, you suggested that there was a reason why Laura needed to look now, and that it involved seeing 4th density.
Laura: There are many questions.
VB: Go on.
Laura: Why donīt you ask them?
VB: [Voice becoming tense and hard.] Laura, I want you make sure that you see or hear Cīs and that you repeat what they say to you. Donīt just answer in your voice. Do you understand?
Laura: I understand that it comes through me.
VB: Okay. Thatīs what Iīm saying. See it or hear it in the mirror. Okay? See it, hear it, coming from the mirror. Connect through the mirror. And let the being in the mirror speak. Why does Laura need to see 4th density now?
Laura: The answers to the questions can be obtained by seeing when the questions are phrased properly.
VB: [Obviously irritated.] Okay now Laura, just look in the mirror, keep your eyes on the mirror, and literally what do you see?
Laura: I see shafts of light to the left, billowing lights at the upper right, fluctuations of light in the central depths, flashing lights that are random throughout, amorphous images coming and going.
VB: [Very authoritative.] Okay. Show Laura what she needs to see NOW.
Laura: The question must be asked specifically in proper terms.
VB: What, in 4th density, does she need to see now?
Laura: Answers to the questions.
VB: How will she see these answers?
Laura: When the question is asked.
VB: How will she see these answers?
Laura: When the questions are asked, the answers appear. Vague questions receive vague answers.
VB: So there is nothing that you need to communicate, other than what we ask?
Laura: Only if you ask, can you receive an answer.
[Long silence.]
VB: Okay, Laura, take a deep, deep breath. Feel where you are, feel your psychic state, feel the openness in the mirror. Now I want you to just leave that behind, and I want you to consciously step out. I want you to look at your connection to the mirror, between the chair and the mirror; and what do you see?
Laura: I see a silhouette like shape.
VB: In the mirror?
Laura: Yes. Itīs like a silhouette-like cut-out.
VB: Okay, keep looking at the cut-out.
[End of 45 minute tape. Continuation on reverse begins in mid-sentence.]
VB: The figure is beginning to change. As you watch, you will be able to see more and more. What do you see happening to the figure?
Laura: The figure is there, and there are flitting images in the depths. Amorphous.
VB: What do you see in the blackness?
Laura: Lights, emerging and receding.
VB: Follow the lights. Follow the lights. Just keep watching the lights. What are they doing? Where are they going?
Laura: They come from the center and sparkle out in all directions.
VB: Focus on the center. Allow your awareness to move through that center. Keep looking. Describe what you see when you move through the center.
Laura: Itīs moving, waving.
VB: Now stay in contact with the waving. Feel that waving.
Laura: Ooh! Look at that!
VB: What did you see? Describe it.
Laura: Living light. Iridescent light. Iridescent shapes. Like shimmering eggs.
VB: Can you see them now?
Laura: No. They emerged and receded.
VB: Feel that waving darkness.
Laura: Yes. Itīs purple.
VB: [Voice very sharp.] Whatīs the purpose of doing the mirror work?
Laura: To bond with another reality.
VB: What reality?
Laura: Fourth density.
VB: And what in 4th density do you need to bond with?
Laura: Awareness. When you see, you become more aware. And the more aware you are, the more you are able to operate in that reality, to become more free of restriction and deception.
VB: Can you see the eggs again?
Laura: Now I see a shaft of light coming down from the upper left to the lower right, like a light beam.
VB: I want you to imagine that youīre moving into that light. See yourself in the mirror moving into that light beam. Does anything change?
Laura: Everythingīs brighter.
VB: How do you feel in the light beam?
Laura: Fine. It pulsates.
VB: Will you allow Laura to see - or can Laura see...
Laura: If the appropriate question is asked.
VB: Can Laura see whatīs happening through the mirror?
Laura: If the appropriate question is asked.
VB: Can you show Laura where the artifact is?
Laura: What artifact?
VB: The artifact that was discussed on the board, in the past.
Laura: At the appropriate time.
VB: So that means you could show it but youīre not going to show it now?
Laura: There are several steps that must precede such.
VB: Can you tell us about those steps?
Laura: You have to ask a simple question. It has to be phrased simply and specifically.
VB: [Sharp and impatient.] Anybody ELSE want to give it a try with a question?
Ark: Can you see kabbalah tree? Itīs real structure? Through all the densities?
Laura: Umm! As close a representation as there is, it seems is...
VB: [Interrupting] Can you allow yourself to see it by looking through the mirror...
Laura: [Apparently ignoring VB] Now this is very strange.
VB: Describe it.
Laura: Aaaah! This is a very fluid place! Whooo!
VB: Describe it. How do you mean "fluid?"
Laura: Ahh! Well, light doesnīt go in straight beams here. It... it ... itīs like ropes or strings. You ask about kaballah tree and suddenly I see ropes and strings, structures... the object that we draw as the kaballah tree is very structured and static and has nothing to do with the real thing! Here it is - and itīs almost indescribable.
VB: Keep looking. What happens as you just watch? Can you still see the tree?
Laura: Yes, itīs living light that moves and connects like a vast network with infinite...
VB: [Interrupts] Can you show Laura the time machine?
Laura: Would YOU like to see the time machine?
VB: Sure. Can you show Laura the time machine?
Laura: Thatīs an inappropriate request.
VB: Why so?
Laura: Itīs not phrased properly.
VB: Can Laura see the time machine?
Laura: Would YOU like to see the time machine?
VB: I would like for Laura to see the time machine and describe it to us.
Laura: It seems to be an object about the size of a very large breadbox. It emanates a field, or a glowing beam. Iīm not sure if you only have to be in contact with it, or stand in the beam, or if you just stand near it. Itīs clear that one does not get "inside" it, like in the movies. The field it produces is the important thing. The beam is like in the movie where they shine the beams up in the sky and wave them around; itīs like that, only it has a shape. Itīs not long, straight and tubular, itīs more cone shaped. So yes, there it is, itīs...
VB: [Interrupts] Now I want you to stay focused...
Laura [Ignoring the interruption] ...it has angles to it, metal plates, and the structure itself is like some sort of geometric tubing...
VB: Will Laura be able to remember and draw it?
Laura: Actually, in a funny sort of way, itīs similar to the shape of the static tree of life on itīs side, doubled and inverted like having a mobius twist...
VB: Is this the Ark?
Laura: Yeah... it...
VB: Ark. Noahīs Ark. The Ark of the covenant...the Ark of Time...
Laura: The object of which you speak, goes inside...itīs the field...
VB: Now, keep looking, and stay outside the mirror; could you show Laura, so she can describe it for us, where, in time, this machine originates?
Laura: Ah! Thatīs odd. The answer comes as 10,000 BC.
VB: Where is it in our immediate future?
Laura: Yes.
VB: Can you show Laura where it is in the immediate future?
Laura: In the immediate future.
VB: Can you show her where on the planet it is, when it enters our future?
Laura: At the appropriate time.
VB: Why is this not the appropriate time?
Laura: Because there would be danger.
VB: Stay on your side... 10,000 BC. Where has it been between then and the immediate future?
Laura: Itīs been found and used numerous times. It was used for very negative purposes, and it was deemed appropriate to retrieve it and...
VB: [Interrupts] Now donīt get pulled in the mirror... stay on this side!
Laura: [Inaudible remarks]
VB: Can you show Laura so she can describe to us, the catastrophic situation in our future, our near future?
Laura: It seems as though it will be a progression. Like the beginning of rain, when the first few big, cold drops fall; and then a pause followed by a few more drops; and then, a downpour.
VB: Describe what you are seeing?
Laura: I see rocks - but they arenīt very large. They are like the size of your fist. Just a few. And they make something of a stir. An uproar. People will be excited... very upset. It looks like just two - two small rocks. And then nothing else happens for awhile, and then they forget about it. It all dies down. And then, a third, a fourth, a fifth and a sixth - and maybe even a seventh... isolated events, or so it seems. Still small. And then, a big one. All this will go on over a period of months.
VB: Take a deep breath, stay on this side of the mirror... looking through. Keep looking; look through the mirror. Would you show Laura, so that she can describe for us, the situation concerning Percival, Percival Three.
Laura: The previously mentioned time machine, placed precisely at a specific location - and itīs not exactly clear whether the action - thereīs a choice at that point in time, you know...
VB: What kind of choice?
Laura: A group can leave with the machine, or a group can bond their awareness, and utilize the device to shift the earth out of the path of destruction. Itīs not a shift in material terms, itīs a shift in time.
VB: So that the comet will hit where the earth isnīt anymore?
Laura: Right.
VB: How, much of a jump does this require?
Laura: Oh! Well, in terms of time, a miss is as good as a mile!
VB: How much of a jump in time is required?
Laura: A day.
VB: The space that the earth travels during one revolution on its axis, is enough to avoid a direct hit?
Laura: Yes.
VB: What would the effects be of moving the planet and everyone on it back or forward a day?
Laura: If you can do it, most people, after the shift, will forget that there was ever a danger.
VB: Is that a good thing?
Laura: [Sighs]
VB: Yeah, I know. Trick question. Now take a deep breath. Pull back, come out just a little. Let Lauraīs consciousness hear me clearly. Is there anything bothering you about this contact? Anything you can consciously feel while maintaining your connection? Anything at all disturbing you.
Laura: Thereīs only a disturbance in the questioning. The questioning is constricting and directing consciousness. Questioning needs to be open and itīs as though the answer can only come through uncorrupted if the question is framed in a non-assumption way. For me to act as the intermediary of what is being viewed, for others to ask questions, the questions must not restrict. This restriction is felt physically. There is some constriction - instantly, when the question is phrased so as to shift it from me asking myself - me asking the other me - rather than holding the responsibility for the question yourself. Do you understand?
VB: Well, my next question is why does Laura keep slipping into the mirror? Why is it so hard for her to stay on this side?
Laura: Ahhh... There is a formation of a bond of awareness. There is another self in that not-too-distant future time that is me. Itīs me communicating with me; itīs the Cīs approaching me; and because itīs closer from 4th density, its easier to communicate back and forth if I merge with myself in the future. Itīs like bringing two soap bubbles close to each other - they just become one. Itīs not the negative thing you...
VB: It seems to me that we want to avoid that happening.
Laura: Not necessarily. Each and every one of us needs to begin merging with the higher self in terms of awareness...[inaudible]
VB: Why am I sensing negativity?
Laura: Insecurity.
VB: Iīm quite comfortable with my own energy. Is that all that is at work here?
Laura: Oooh! [Sees something in mirror, apparently]
VB: What are you seeing?
Laura: Well, they are like combination puppies and flowers... [Tape ends]
...something that was with you; I canīt say that it was in you or around you; something that you still carry with you, itīs almost like a very heavy suitcase. It actually looks like you have to force it to close by standing on it and shoving stuff in the cracks and tying it closed with straps because it is ready to burst open.
VB: Okay, now look deeper in the mirror, through the mirror. Just keep describing what you see.
Laura: Ummmm. Now I see amorphous moving lights and clouds.
VB: Keep moving through that waving, purple darkness. In that space, just look around very carefully and tell me what you see.
Laura: [Inaudible.]
VB: Will you allow Laura to look around in the space so she can describe it for us.
Laura: Well, this is funny, have you ever seen a cartoon with a pencil being? [Laughs] Oh, thatīs funny. Thatīs what itīs like.
VB: The stick figure is like dowsing rods?
Laura: No. Thatīs... thatīs... [Laughter] What a play on words! They are so funny! Core. You know the words "core being?" Well, itīs not a joke! [Laughter] Just think of yourself as a light being, in a sense, and in another, as not so amorphous as some people would think. There is some plasticity. You know how in this reality, the solid substance seems to be what it is and we have no control over it? Well, in 4th density, there is amorphous substance all around, and there is the "core being," who can assemble this substance by an act of will. It then becomes more structured in the same way food, in our reality, becomes your body, though here it takes a long period of assimilating and converting. There, it is rather quick. There is the core being - and itīs really a core!
VB: Like an apple core?
Laura: No, a core - like tubular almost. But you know, most people donīt utilize it as such, because they like to play with the materials available. Itīs more fun. But, itīs not necessary, and under different circumstance, they can remove all those things exactly the same way we take off our clothes. [Inaudible] Itīs just more valuable.
VB: Now, you are using "you." Is that a general term, or is the stick figure me?
Laura: Anybody in 4th density.
VB: Are we in 4th density?
Laura: I am.
VB: So thatīs YOU, you are seeing in 4th density?
Laura: Me and others.
VB: So the stick figure is you in 4th density?
Laura: It is the visual representation of the core being of any 4th density individual. It is the essence.
VB: Take a deep breath. There are mechanisms at work that I, personally, am uncertain of. Is there anything you can tell me to make this easier?
Laura: Can you ask more specific questions? What, specifically are you uncertain about?
VB: Iīm uncertain of the nature of the contact. I am uncertain of the nature of the perception. Iīm uncertain of why Iīm involved the way that I am. Iīm uncertain why itīs necessary to do this at all.
Laura: Okay.
VB: Any response?
Laura: Ask the question. I cannot answer if you do not ask.
VB: Why am I having these uncertainties I just listed? What can we do to make this whole process easier?
Laura: The uncertainty relates to - itīs difficult to answer the way you have asked it "why are you having these uncertainties."
VB: Are the uncertainties part of the process?
Laura: How do you perceive the uncertainties?
VB: I perceive the uncertainties... Is the uncertainty an artifact of how Iīm having to do this? Does the artifact come from our clumsiness in doing the process?
Laura: It is unfamiliar territory; it is an unfamiliar process to you, in particular, because the essential nature of it requires as much openness...
VB: [Interrupts sharply] OKAY! Why am I seeing what Laura is seeing?
Laura: That has to do a great deal with why you are part of the process at the moment.
VB: Why am I part of the process?
Laura: That has to do with genetic linkages, and choices made at other levels to do certain things at a certain point in time, both at a future point in time...
VB: If I decided NOT to do this, what would be the effect?
Laura: Someone else would step up and fill your shoes. The Universe is infinitely capable of taking care of itself.
VB: Is that what is going on here? Is the universe trying to take care of itself?
Laura: Oh, yes! Thatīs...
VB: What do you see?!
Laura: Iīm just seeing that you, me, we ARE the universe. It acts through us.
VB: What should we do - we need to know - in order to get funding for our research?
Laura: [Laughter] Well, I have to say that the first thing that pops up is a series of numbers and Iīll just tell them - 6,14, 25, 48, 52.
VB: Are these dates?
Laura: I donīt know.
VB: Well ask īem, are they dates?
Laura: You ask them.
VB: [Yells] Are they dates?!
Laura: No.
VB: What are they?
Laura: Numbers to use as you choose.
VB: And what should we do with these numbers?
Laura: Whatever you choose.
Ark: I think I know what to do with these numbers.
VB: Is that a question?
Ark: No. [Inaudible]
VB: Well, I donīt follow you. Say that again?
Ark: I think they are probably lottery numbers.
VB: Are these lottery numbers?
Laura: They could be.
VB: Why wonīt you be more specific? Iīm asking a very specific question?
Laura: They could be lottery numbers; they could be used in any number of ways. They could apply to choices that are taken over the next three months. You may encounter someone who has these numbers involved with them in some way; you may find these numbers on a page in a book which will then tell you something you need to know. These things come in so many layers; there is any number of applications; so donīt close off other possibilities and say they are just "lottery numbers." They could be, but they could also be so much more.
VB: [Sighs with exasperation] Itīs suspicious to me that gave 52. Am I just exercising my suspicions?
Laura: You can reverse.
VB: We already have a 25.
Laura: Then you have two 52īs.
VB: Okay. Letīs go in a different direction. Take a deep breath. Can you show Laura, so she can describe for us, what we need to do, to get the next step started?
Laura: Ask without limits, and everything will fall into place. Do not worry, there are things moving in areas that we donīt even know about, that will converge in amazing ways, and itīs better not to even know, because then you will anticipate and block it.
VB: [Sharply] Okay! Why was Ari here today? Can you tell me what that is?
Laura: He has a very strong interest; he wishes he could be as bold as he used to be; and as free. However, it may not be possible for him to get free of the bonds that restrict him. However, the energy exerted in any direction, even exerted toward an individual who does not respond to it the way you wish, when they leave your presence, may carry that energy with them into the rest of the reality. And it is there available to someone else. Any energy put into a goal, even if you talk to 25 people who are the wrong people, the fact that you are putting energy into a goal openly...
VB: [Interrupts sharply] What was that image you just saw?!
Laura: Well, just lights and geometric figures...
VB: Okay, these lights have some sort of function. Whatīs the function?
Laura: They are like the substance from images will ultimately coalesce in a very solid and realistic form. These are incipient image formation stuff.
VB: I get the feeling that some of these lights, some of these seed thoughts, whatever, want to come through the mirror into this reality. Is that a correct assumption?
Laura: I donīt see that at all; no.
VB: Whatīs giving me that impression?
Laura: Well, you said it: assumption. You have a lot of assumptions. Itīs very hard to work with all those assumptions. [Inaudible descriptions of mirror images]
VB: And thatīs NOT crossing over into our reality?
Laura: No. They are just looking. Like friendly puppies; energy forms. They are cute.
VB: Anybody else got a question?
Ark: What was this thing when Vincent felt something touch his arm?
Laura: Vincent has some friends who travel with him, and they try to keep him out of trouble. It seems like, in this particular instance, somebody was banging on his shoulder just to let him know he was okay.
VB: And what kind of friends travel with me?
Laura: Actually, one of them looks like - he has a suit on, with a watch chain dangling from his waistcoat - but he doesnīt have the time, which is funny. Brown suit, shoe boots, average height, he points his finger a lot; glasses. Heīs fond of you. Canīt say that he is an "attachment," but he likes to be around you.
VB: Whereīs he from?
Laura: Actually, what I am seeing is obviously a projection. He is projecting this image, and I almost feel like, in a funny sort of way, heīs maybe even you in another life.
VB: Okay, heīs not the one who patted me on the shoulder. [Very strong voice effect] Did the Cīs pat me on the shoulder, both then, and did they burn the hand print on my shoulder back in the past?
Laura: [Feeling extreme constriction and unable to resist the command/assumption, very low and weak voice] Yes. [Immediate sensations of choking.]
VB: Okay. Now, the Cīs are quite aware of all the different things that are in my luggage. Will you ask them to show you what is in my luggage?
Laura: Dirty underwear!! [Laughter. Constriction released suddenly and the answer erupts almost before VB finishes speaking.
The instant the question was asked, the large, overstuffed, strapped suitcase mentioned earlier was seen to spring open and hundreds of pairs of dirty underwear flew everywhere. They werenīt just normally soiled, but were stained with fecal matter and it was as though, instead of washing them, or admitting that they needed washing, each pair was hidden away and new ones were added until they were soiled and added to the collection. However, all of this visual imagery was not requested, so it was not given in words.]
VB: Keep looking! What else? Come on!
Laura: [Strong voice] There is some real funny old fashioned clothes. I swear, this pair of pants - if you ever wore them out in public donīt say you know me, they are awful pants - and they have suspenders. Thereīs a leather case.
VB: Open the leather case. What do you see?
Laura: In the leather case there is a bunch of little bottles; they are bottles of pills; they are blue. Thereīs a shaving kit, a comb;the comb has missing teeth...
VB: Do you see anything else in there?
Laura: Thereīs handkerchiefs, an old mirror, and there are clean, white shirts, that have never been taken out of the packages. You have never worn these shirts.
VB: Now, youīre doing real good. Now, if the Cīs would be so kind as to explain to Laura why I carry this luggage...
Laura: Why do you carry it? Because you canīt let go.
VB: Why canīt I let go?
Laura: Because you always want to be prepared.
VB: And what am I prepared for?
Laura: Youīre prepared for a trip, thatīs one thing. And youīre afraid that something is going to make you get on the wrong train.
VB: Yep. Can you translate that "wrong train" into more direct terms?
Laura: Well, thereīs a funny thing about that. Itīs like the real problem is you think you donīt have any money to buy what you need when you get there.
VB: [Sharply] Okay, this funny but weīre wasting time. Anybody else got another question?
Orri: [Asks question about health issue.] Is there a particular course of study to follow to be of greater service to the process of furthering free will?
Laura: [Comments on the health issue.] [Tape ends. Large section missing from the beginning of the next tape.]
VB: If the Cīs will be so kind as to give Laura a symbol that she can see in her mindīs eye, that will allow her to quickly establish this contact...
Laura: Iīve got it.
VB: Do you need to describe it?
Laura: No.
VB: See it very clearly. Now, you will break the contact by seeing this image fade. And as it fades, the mirror will come back to just being a mirror. Coming back into your body. Take a deep breath. [Countdown to awaken.] |
| Vincent Bridges
User ID: 19472
7/21/2005 8:39 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Are you saying, Vincent, that Laura was able to resume channeling the ´C´s after this, or was she channeling something different this time?
Do you know the link or page where she describes this session with you? If you don´t offhand that´s fine, I´ll do a search. Thanks.
V: LKj was never able to channel the Cs by herself. Whatever came through after the mirror session, at [link to www.cassiopaea.org]
VB |
| OPie
User ID: 19456
7/21/2005 8:53 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Canīt believe it all fit in there.
Vincent, in the mirror session you were constantly warning Laura to pull away from the mirror, and that started rather early in the session. How was she merging with it -- or moving inside? Was this from a lack of precautions on her part? What did this actually look like from your angle? God, no wonder I hate mirrors.
Also, at some point you apparently started seeing what she was seeing. Were you not seeing the same things prior to that? I know what the Cīs supposedly answered, but what is your take on that? I have a feeling that Cīs answer was supposed to flatter you and draw you in further. But into what? When you started seeing, did that make you feel that they were trying to pull you in as well?
Is the date on this session correct? For some reason, it doesnīt seem right to me.
Sorry, sort of wondering out loud here. Itīs a truly bizarre session all the way around. At some point on the group, Laura was suggesting that you were the one who wanted the mirror session. But it appears from the board session that it was the Cīs who sort of ordered it. |
| Vincent Bridges
User ID: 19472
7/21/2005 9:03 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
So, Vincent, are you saying that the C´s were a manifestation of the leakage from this vault, strengthened and given life (so to speak) through Fred, Laura, etc.? Am I understanding that correctly?
Can you explain a little bit more what a Vault is? What is it, and what is it supposed to accomplish?
Interesting. Thanks.
Speaking of the psychomantium ... that thing gave me the creeps. Actually, mirrors have always given me the creeps, though I´ve never understood why. Moreover, I was under the impression (from Laura) that this was a relatively recent invention, but it´s (also) apparent from the emails that she was using it before she ever contacted you.
V: Yes, thatīs exactly what I am saying... Discarded shells of other adepts... As for the vault, see [link to www.esotericgoldendawn.com]
and
The 5=6 ritual was based upon the legend of Christian Rosenkruez (or CRC) and the accidental discovery of his burial chamber one hundred and twenty years after his death. The story, as described in the Fama Fraternitatis[8] is as follows: The great spiritual teacher and founder of the Rosicrucian fraternity, Christian Rosenkruez, died and was secretly buried. Years later, members of the Order chanced upon the tomb, which was hidden behind some masonry. The tomb they found was a seven-sided room inscribed with elaborate symbolism. Each wall of the tomb was eight feet high by five feet wide. In the center of the room was a circular altar over a sarcophagus, in which lay the perfectly preserved body of CRC.
For the 5=6 ritual, Mathers and his wife, Moina, created an elaborate full-size version of CRCs tomb, known as the Vault of the Adepti, which displayed the strong Rosicrucian element that was woven into Golden Dawns Inner Order. Moina was an accomplished artist, a gifted clairvoyant, and MacGregors personal "skryer." Her visionary experiences may have greatly influenced her husband in the writing of the Second Order rituals and grade work. Moina painted most of the wall decorations, godforms, and temple furnishings for the mother temple, Isis-Urania, in London. Since the Fama did not give many details on the symbolism of the room, the Matherses were able to draw upon their own formidable creativity to produce this impressive chamber. (Anyone initiated in such a Vault could testify to its potent psychic impact.)
[link to www.llewellynencyclopedia.com]
VB |
| Vincent Bridges
User ID: 19472
7/21/2005 9:20 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Can´t believe it all fit in there.
V: Almost all...
Vincent, in the mirror session you were constantly warning Laura to pull away from the mirror, and that started rather early in the session. How was she merging with it -- or moving inside? Was this from a lack of precautions on her part? What did this actually look like from your angle? God, no wonder I hate mirrors.
V: Well, what LKJ was trying to do is a very simple traditional skill called "scrying" which can be done in water, a crystal or mirror. The psychomantium is an arrangement designed to facilitate the practice, but it is rarely used anymore. Now th absic rule of scryig, and the reason an object is used as the point of focus is to keep a distance between scryer and scryee. When that begins to break down, when the two begin to merge, then possession is a strong possibility. What that session shows is how LKJ was possessed, and of course, how powerless I was to stop it...
Also, at some point you apparently started seeing what she was seeing. Were you not seeing the same things prior to that? I know what the C´s supposedly answered, but what is your take on that? I have a feeling that C´s answer was supposed to flatter you and draw you in further. But into what? When you started seeing, did that make you feel that they were trying to pull you in as well?
V; No, I usually donīt try to get into someoneīs head that way, but the session was going seriously out of control and I needed to see what she was seeing. Unfortunately, IT, what was seeing her, could also see me... If I had fallen for the flattery, Iīd have been possessed as well...
Is the date on this session correct? For some reason, it doesn´t seem right to me.
V: July 5th, 2001
Sorry, sort of wondering out loud here. It´s a truly bizarre session all the way around. At some point on the group, Laura was suggesting that you were the one who wanted the mirror session. But it appears from the board session that it was the C´s who sort of ordered it.
V: Indeed, and that was very odd given the unconnectedness of the ouiji session. Something was seriously wrong, but like a train wreck, I couldnīt stop it...
VB |
| 122
User ID: 10092
7/21/2005 9:24 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
I just listened to the mirror session, and werenīt YOU pissed at those dirty underpants!? You just wanted her to move riggghtt along... 
Ark Wrote:
"""It is significant to observe how the session has ended. Something came from Vincent that struck me like never before.
He asked about his "psychic luggage". Laura started to describe what she is seeing. At some point he suddenly interrupted:
"Letīs stop it and donīt waste our time any more." Or something similar. He was angry. "Donīt waste our time."
Notice, he ASKED for it. But could not bear what was coming. Somehow Laura did not notice how rude he was at that moment. I noticed it, and I was coming back to this again and again for several days.""""
Indeed... |
| OPie
User ID: 19456
7/21/2005 9:24 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Thanks, Vincent. Iīll go take a look at the golden dawn site. I think I need to do some extensive reading to understand all this, or even to begin to.
So this, too, goes back to good ole CR, huh? One of the first things I noticed when I chanced upon the Cassiopaean site was that the Cīs talked about 7 densities, and the Rosicrucians talk about 7 levels, as well. One of the differences, from my vantage point, is that the Rosicrucians say that the 7th level is God -- period -- and donīt attempt to explain what that is, while the Cīs go on to describe it. But, to paraphrase Anab Whitehouse, how would a 6th density being be able to describe 7th density in the first place, not to mention describing it to lowly 3rd density beings? If we, as 3rd density beings, canīt possibly comprehend 4th density, how can the Cīs comprehend 7th, especially well enough to explain it to those of us several levels down? That would sort of be like us trying to explain 4th density to a piece of granite, then saying it couldnīt possibly understand. (The granite, of course, agrees by way of its silence)
Sorry -- got off on a tangent there (shades of Laura and her writing style!). Actually, I just wanted to say thanks! |
| OPie
User ID: 19456
7/21/2005 9:43 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
I just listened to the mirror session, and weren´t YOU pissed at those dirty underpants!? You just wanted her to move riggghtt along...
OP: Right. You just listened to it. Youīd never heard it before. Right. You just go on believing that.
Folks, go back through the posts and note when 12209 posts; the posts right before he posts are quite possibly the important ones on this thread.
Ark Wrote:
OP: Ark wrote? Where? How would you know this? Who are you?
"""It is significant to observe how the session has ended. Something came from Vincent that struck me like never before.
He asked about his "psychic luggage". Laura started to describe what she is seeing. At some point he suddenly interrupted:
"Let´s stop it and don´t waste our time any more." Or something similar. He was angry. "Don´t waste our time."
Notice, he ASKED for it. But could not bear what was coming. Somehow Laura did not notice how rude he was at that moment. I noticed it, and I was coming back to this again and again for several days.""""
OP: Ark is wrong. Go look at the transcript that Laura sent out to the C group herself. He DID ask more, but not, apparently, angrily, and didnīt respond the way Ark says. If this is the way Ark interprets what he sees, then he has a serious problem.
Again, the point in question is right in the transcript I posted; itīs toward the very end.
Shame on you, Ark. People really can read and think on their own.
Indeed... |
| Vincent Bridges
User ID: 19472
7/21/2005 9:45 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
I just listened to the mirror session, and weren´t YOU pissed at those dirty underpants!? You just wanted her to move riggghtt along...
Ark Wrote:
"""It is significant to observe how the session has ended. Something came from Vincent that struck me like never before.
He asked about his "psychic luggage". Laura started to describe what she is seeing. At some point he suddenly interrupted:
"Let´s stop it and don´t waste our time any more." Or something similar. He was angry. "Don´t waste our time."
Notice, he ASKED for it. But could not bear what was coming. Somehow Laura did not notice how rude he was at that moment. I noticed it, and I was coming back to this again and again for several days.""""
Indeed...
V: Of course I was pissed. It was a direct psychic assault. The demon was attempting to plant that old seed of entropy...
We all have our dirty laundry, our doubts and fears. IT was attempting to get me to take the bait, and unfortunately I did. As it has turned out, it seems that IT was actually showing LKJ her own unconscious, not mine...
Vb |
| OPie
User ID: 19456
7/21/2005 9:49 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Can´t believe it all fit in there.
V: Almost all...
Jeez. Thereīs something missing from this one, too? Oh, wait a minute. Iīm being naive again. Iīm assuming that because it was sent to the C-group (you know, the inside one) meant that it was the original transcript, but I should have known by the comments that it had already been edited (could have used a spell-check, however, not to mention someone to check layout). This is not a snide comment, by the way; this really was my thought process. Vincent, can you remember what was left out? |
| Vincent Bridges
User ID: 19472
7/21/2005 9:52 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
On the thread, it seems to ends abruptly...
VB |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 10092
7/21/2005 10:07 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
<<OP: Right. You just listened to it. You´d never heard it before. Right. You just go on believing that.>>
Yes, Iīve listened to it once before; around this time last year. Iīd forgotten about 80 percent of it - whatīs your point?
<<OP: Ark is wrong. Go look at the transcript that Laura sent out to the C group herself. He DID ask more, but not, apparently, angrily, and didn´t respond the way Ark says. If this is the way Ark interprets what he sees, then he has a serious problem.>>
I will do that, thank you.
<<V: Of course I was pissed. It was a direct psychic assault. The demon was attempting to plant that old seed of entropy...
We all have our dirty laundry, our doubts and fears. IT was attempting to get me to take the bait, and unfortunately I did. As it has turned out, it seems that IT was actually showing LKJ her own unconscious, not mine...>>
Interesting. Iīm glad to hear your perspective on the Mirror Session... |
| OPie
User ID: 19456
7/21/2005 10:11 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Oh, crap. Vincent, youīre right. It did cut off rather suddenly. I found a similar phrase and assumed it was the end. Sorry, everyone. Hereīs the rest of it (including the part I talked about in my post to 12209):
VB: Take a deep breath. There are mechanisms at work that I, personally, am uncertain of. Is there anything you can tell me to make this easier?
Laura: Can you ask more specific questions? What, specifically are you uncertain about?
VB: Iīm uncertain of the nature of the contact. I am uncertain of the nature of the perception. Iīm uncertain of why Iīm involved the way that I am. Iīm uncertain why itīs necessary to do this at all.
Laura: Okay.
VB: Any response?
Laura: Ask the question. I cannot answer if you do not ask.
VB: Why am I having these uncertainties I just listed? What can we do to make this whole process easier?
Laura: The uncertainty relates to - itīs difficult to answer the way you have asked it "why are you having these uncertainties."
VB: Are the uncertainties part of the process?
Laura: How do you perceive the uncertainties?
VB: I perceive the uncertainties... Is the uncertainty an artifact of how Iīm having to do this? Does the artifact come from our clumsiness in doing the process?
Laura: It is unfamiliar territory; it is an unfamiliar process to you, in particular, because the essential nature of it requires as much openness...
VB: [Interrupts sharply] OKAY! Why am I seeing what Laura is seeing?
Laura: That has to do a great deal with why you are part of the process at the moment.
VB: Why am I part of the process?
Laura: That has to do with genetic linkages, and choices made at other levels to do certain things at a certain point in time, both at a future point in time...
VB: If I decided NOT to do this, what would be the effect?
Laura: Someone else would step up and fill your shoes. The Universe is infinitely capable of taking care of itself.
VB: Is that what is going on here? Is the universe trying to take care of itself?
Laura: Oh, yes! Thatīs...
VB: What do you see?!
Laura: Iīm just seeing that you, me, we ARE the universe. It acts through us.
VB: What should we do - we need to know - in order to get funding for our research?
Laura: [Laughter] Well, I have to say that the first thing that pops up is a series of numbers and Iīll just tell them - 6,14, 25, 48, 52.
VB: Are these dates?
Laura: I donīt know.
VB: Well ask īem, are they dates?
Laura: You ask them.
VB: [Yells] Are they dates?!
Laura: No.
VB: What are they?
Laura: Numbers to use as you choose.
VB: And what should we do with these numbers?
Laura: Whatever you choose.
Ark: I think I know what to do with these numbers.
VB: Is that a question?
Ark: No. [Inaudible]
VB: Well, I donīt follow you. Say that again?
Ark: I think they are probably lottery numbers.
VB: Are these lottery numbers?
Laura: They could be.
VB: Why wonīt you be more specific? Iīm asking a very specific question?
Laura: They could be lottery numbers; they could be used in any number of ways. They could apply to choices that are taken over the next three months. You may encounter someone who has these numbers involved with them in some way; you may find these numbers on a page in a book which will then tell you something you need to know. These things come in so many layers; there is any number of applications; so donīt close off other possibilities and say they are just "lottery numbers." They could be, but they could also be so much more.
VB: [Sighs with exasperation] Itīs suspicious to me that gave 52. Am I just exercising my suspicions?
Laura: You can reverse.
VB: We already have a 25.
Laura: Then you have two 52īs.
VB: Okay. Letīs go in a different direction. Take a deep breath. Can you show Laura, so she can describe for us, what we need to do, to get the next step started?
Laura: Ask without limits, and everything will fall into place. Do not worry, there are things moving in areas that we donīt even know about, that will converge in amazing ways, and itīs better not to even know, because then you will anticipate and block it.
VB: [Sharply] Okay! Why was Ari here today? Can you tell me what that is?
Laura: He has a very strong interest; he wishes he could be as bold as he used to be; and as free. However, it may not be possible for him to get free of the bonds that restrict him. However, the energy exerted in any direction, even exerted toward an individual who does not respond to it the way you wish, when they leave your presence, may carry that energy with them into the rest of the reality. And it is there available to someone else. Any energy put into a goal, even if you talk to 25 people who are the wrong people, the fact that you are putting energy into a goal openly...
VB: [Interrupts sharply] What was that image you just saw?!
Laura: Well, just lights and geometric figures...
VB: Okay, these lights have some sort of function. Whatīs the function?
Laura: They are like the substance from images will ultimately coalesce in a very solid and realistic form. These are incipient image formation stuff.
VB: I get the feeling that some of these lights, some of these seed thoughts, whatever, want to come through the mirror into this reality. Is that a correct assumption?
Laura: I donīt see that at all; no.
VB: Whatīs giving me that impression?
Laura: Well, you said it: assumption. You have a lot of assumptions. Itīs very hard to work with all those assumptions. [Inaudible descriptions of mirror images]
VB: And thatīs NOT crossing over into our reality?
Laura: No. They are just looking. Like friendly puppies; energy forms. They are cute.
VB: Anybody else got a question?
Ark: What was this thing when Vincent felt something touch his arm?
Laura: Vincent has some friends who travel with him, and they try to keep him out of trouble. It seems like, in this particular instance, somebody was banging on his shoulder just to let him know he was okay.
VB: And what kind of friends travel with me?
Laura: Actually, one of them looks like - he has a suit on, with a watch chain dangling from his waistcoat - but he doesnīt have the time, which is funny. Brown suit, shoe boots, average height, he points his finger a lot; glasses. Heīs fond of you. Canīt say that he is an "attachment," but he likes to be around you.
VB: Whereīs he from?
Laura: Actually, what I am seeing is obviously a projection. He is projecting this image, and I almost feel like, in a funny sort of way, heīs maybe even you in another life.
VB: Okay, heīs not the one who patted me on the shoulder. [Very strong voice effect] Did the Cīs pat me on the shoulder, both then, and did they burn the hand print on my shoulder back in the past?
Laura: [Feeling extreme constriction and unable to resist the command/assumption, very low and weak voice] Yes. [Immediate sensations of choking.]
VB: Okay. Now, the Cīs are quite aware of all the different things that are in my luggage. Will you ask them to show you what is in my luggage?
Laura: Dirty underwear!! [Laughter. Constriction released suddenly and the answer erupts almost before VB finishes speaking.
The instant the question was asked, the large, overstuffed, strapped suitcase mentioned earlier was seen to spring open and hundreds of pairs of dirty underwear flew everywhere. They werenīt just normally soiled, but were stained with fecal matter and it was as though, instead of washing them, or admitting that they needed washing, each pair was hidden away and new ones were added until they were soiled and added to the collection. However, all of this visual imagery was not requested, so it was not given in words.]
VB: Keep looking! What else? Come on!
Laura: [Strong voice] There is some real funny old fashioned clothes. I swear, this pair of pants - if you ever wore them out in public donīt say you know me, they are awful pants - and they have suspenders. Thereīs a leather case.
VB: Open the leather case. What do you see?
Laura: In the leather case there is a bunch of little bottles; they are bottles of pills; they are blue. Thereīs a shaving kit, a comb;the comb has missing teeth...
VB: Do you see anything else in there?
Laura: Thereīs handkerchiefs, an old mirror, and there are clean, white shirts, that have never been taken out of the packages. You have never worn these shirts.
VB: Now, youīre doing real good. Now, if the Cīs would be so kind as to explain to Laura why I carry this luggage...
Laura: Why do you carry it? Because you canīt let go.
VB: Why canīt I let go?
Laura: Because you always want to be prepared.
VB: And what am I prepared for?
Laura: Youīre prepared for a trip, thatīs one thing. And youīre afraid that something is going to make you get on the wrong train.
VB: Yep. Can you translate that "wrong train" into more direct terms?
Laura: Well, thereīs a funny thing about that. Itīs like the real problem is you think you donīt have any money to buy what you need when you get there.
VB: [Sharply] Okay, this funny but weīre wasting time. Anybody else got another question?
Orri: [Asks question about health issue.] Is there a particular course of study to follow to be of greater service to the process of furthering free will?
Laura: [Comments on the health issue.] [Tape ends. Large section missing from the beginning of the next tape.]
VB: If the Cīs will be so kind as to give Laura a symbol that she can see in her mindīs eye, that will allow her to quickly establish this contact...
Laura: Iīve got it.
VB: Do you need to describe it?
Laura: No.
VB: See it very clearly. Now, you will break the contact by seeing this image fade. And as it fades, the mirror will come back to just being a mirror. Coming back into your body. Take a deep breath. [Countdown to awaken.] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 10092
7/21/2005 10:15 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
<<<Sorry, everyone. Here´s the rest of it (including the part I talked about in my post to 12209):>>>
Thereīs nothing "new" in there OPie, I just listened to all of that... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 10092
7/21/2005 10:17 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Sorry OPie, I missed your question:
<<<OP: Ark wrote? Where? How would you know this? Who are you?>>>
Itīs in the sessions.exe file, at the bottom of the page. |
| StormBear
User ID: 9894
7/21/2005 10:24 PM | | Vincent Bridges
User ID: 19472
7/21/2005 10:27 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Thanks OPie for posting the rest of that...
Iīm reading back over it, for the first time in year |
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