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a little off topic, relating to the Red Hat Lama sect and alleged time travel capabilities ... she (OSR - One Smart Rat) says they (the Red Hat sect) worked with the Nazis during ww2 to try and alter the current timeline to avoid later Chinese persecution of Tibet etc etc
maybe Vincent or others might like to comment?
here are a few snips from a woman claiming to be an MK victim, posted over at Whitley Strieber´s forum a while back
I´ll post a few assorted snips to give you a feel for what she is saying...
You are right in one aspect of your comment on Psychiatrists...they do have the highest suicide rate among dodtors...so that has got to say something. What I was referring to was their standing in legal venues as well as in regard to other societal apparatus. Their also have a standing in media. People regard any one (now this is the general public I am talking about) with a medical degree as being an authority...that is why so many people get screwed by doctors because they are afraid to question them...even in regard to their own health care decisions. Doctor says "take this pill" and people will pop it in their mouths without ever asking what it is or how it works.
Besides doctors are involved in all this...up to their necks in it. Psychiatrists in particular.
Yes, I saw the recent remake of Manchurian...I wrote about this in another thread...can´t remember which one.
The original, besides being a better film, has actual subtexture of programming model. Those that made this one had inside knowledge (Sinatra would be a good guess here because of his mob connections as the intel community. the occult and the mob are all interwoven).
The occult aspects are stripped out of the remake; the original has them beautifully woven into the film.
Rent this one on DVD and compare it to the one playing now, Then I will talk more in detail on this if you want to discuss the original film.
The ideas of the film and it´s subtexture are accurate, but the overall story as written is somewhat misleading.
Anyway, I think you wanted to know some things about me...I am a little hesitant to post them here (maybe I should make out a profile?).
Uh, oh yeah about the mass killings...depends on what and where...Columbine was a set-up or possibly a breakdown and was resulted might have been damage control...but as I recall, at that time, I thought it was a set-up. The Harris kid had an MPD programmed profile and his Dad (Air Force Officer) looked familiar. There were other facts there that gave hints as to behind the scene manipulation.
Same with the Ramsey case in Colorade...I forget the kids name, it was a programming session gone bad...the kid was a MONARCH being groomed as a "presidential model". That´s why the cover-up. the mom is also a multiple.
Uh, ok someone asked me about Strieber and whether his experiences would fall in this category...I am not going to talk about his case here or in any other public forum, unless HE ASKS ME questions about his case personally, THAT WOULDN´T BE POLITE OR ETHICAL.
Profile; OneSmartRat
(posted; Message Board/ Notes From The Edge; Unknown Country.com on 8/16/04: 3:04 am Central Standard Time)
I am a military intelligence/ occult-trained psychic and intelligence data-analyzer. I was involved in high-end Remote-Accessing (viewing) programs and rapid data analysis and acquisition of intangible-intelligence (information) of potentials (probable outcome scenarios) of theoretical applications in physics and mathematics. I was something of a child prodigy in these areas of application. These programs integrated high-tech science with arcane occult knowledge.
I was “recruited” and taught these things as a child… and exploited beyond belief. Participation was not voluntary, and “no” was not an option. I was also involved in a number of other programs utilizing and adapting my skills and abilities; Army; Intelligence Security and Command (INSCOM) within which I operated in Special Access Programs(SAP)….DEEP BLACK. I was, at an earlier stage (pre-pubescense) involved with a project associated with a cloister of top U.S. scientists who were contracted to the Pentagon. I was also used in data/intel analysis within a group called the Foreign Intelligence Service (FIS).
There are “other” programs and special projects I was involved in, including the “Egypt/Great Pyramid Excavation in 1998” (see post #24 &64;Whitley!!! In Dreamland); information about these programs that would be life-threatening for me to discuss within this forum. (As discussing even this resume is a potential “problem”).
The process used to develop my mind (and contain the information) applied systematic torture to create extremely compartmentalized “clean” states of mind (un-contaminated by reflective consciousness/ ego/beliefs) that were/are capable of extra-ordinary applications; including interfacing with technology designed to facilitate movement of consciousness through time and space and access parts of the human mind (particularly in regards to memory and emotion), and that can be literally “downloaded” onto a audio/visual medium for simultaneous “playback” (recorded onto laser disc format).
I have also had the “alien abduction scenario” experiences…and have, as a result of the programs I was involved with, had contact with, “other” groups and non-human “entities” within time/space and otherwise.
I was also subject to induced “Near-Death Experiences” (NDE’S) at a facility located in the continental U. S.. Among other things, these NDE’s were engineered to enhance psychic ability and performance and create severe-trauma response pathology designed to fragment memory into ultra-secure and “manageable” states of consciousness.
I now train other people to do what I do (remote-accessing/viewing) and I consult in all subject areas of a paranormal nature and mind control/MPD/DID and PTSD cases. I also do intuitive counseling, remote-accessing/viewing (for private consults) and NLP. I write on various subjects related to these issues and have been published in small journals in the past.
I am no longer an "operational" intel asset.
ok on to the Red Hat stuff...
"I looked at the Lt. Col. Michael Aquino thread in the Watchdogs, Whistleblowers & Conspiracies section, as you suggested. The time period involved, apparently starting in the early 1980s, in too late to have been part of the childhood abductions of many of the known abductees, including some members of this board. It´s possible that they used an already-existing alien abduction scenario, as it existed in the popular culture, as a cover to hide what they were doing, whether they personally believed aliens existed or not. The article does not mention aliens, though, and seems to give using the children to blackmail various important people as the reason for all this. That, and the personal gratification of some of the adults involved. Also, the method of taking the children appears to be more traditional, such as snatching them off the streets or getting them when they visit the perpetrators, rather then visiting the children´s bedrooms at their homes in the middle of the night."
I knew Aquino. He was Anton Levay´s protege. Anton Levay was involved with police activities as well as inteligence/military activities. (by the way did you know how many police cheifs in this country are Masons?).
Anton Levay was Aliester Crowley´s devotee. Aleisted Crowly was involved with British Intel (OSS) and they were very involved in the occcult applications of psychic/metaphysical phenomenon and the trauma-based mind control techniques that originated in the occult (cult/Secret Societies).
You have brought up good points in your posts here Stephen, howeverm, you have missed the forest for the trees.
The common thread here is the occult/cult connections...not the U.S. Military.
They have infiltrated high-up into the military infrastructure...as well as the medical profesion and other agencies of human design
This goes back genearation after generations. the modern link to mind control programming is with the Nazis and what really was behind the Nazi movement and WWII. LOOk their and you will find many of your answers. It was all about the occult.
Aquino had (probably still has ) extremely high-level security clearences...far more than any Lt. Col should have...he had given briefings at the White House during the Reagan Admn. and was/is a high-level Monarch Mind Control programmer/handler. He was also the head of The Temple of Set in San Francisco. The Temple of Set is a neo-Satanic Cult...and off shoot of Golden Dawn type stuff with a Satanic edge.
Study the occult history behind the rise of Nazis in pre-war (WWII) Germany...the theosophy Movement in Enland...Madam Blaivotsky and Karl Haushofer...etc., and The publication of "Astoria" by another behind the scenes operator (who´s name escapse me at the moment...he was an ex-Cistercian monk...anybody here know who I am talking about?...Franz somebody??? Follow the Cistercians find who they were and what they believed and practiced...(and while you´re at it, take a real close look at who the Jesuits are...and what their history (and beliefs) are and how they are connected to all of this...The Jesuits are the intellectual stromtrooper of the Catholic Church...they are the keepers of all the secret arcane knowledge of The catholic Chuch (The Vatican). They are the academic; the scholars; the interpeter of ancient text; the scientific investigations intot he paranormal (ie., "Stigmata",Apparitions of The VirginMary , Fatima, etc., etc.) Find out why The Vatican was so "helpful" to the Nazi war criminals post WWII (The Rat Line; smuggling them out to freedom and into high positions into the American Intel an scientific community and Trauma-based Mind control alla Mengele)...I could go on and on...but you´re are smart; DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH.
Look at the Symbols used by the Nazi´s; where did THEY come from???? Look at thier obsession with occult influences and rituals...including the REd Hat Sect of Tibetan Buddhism (Do you know how many hundreds of dead Tibetan lamas the Russians found in Nazi bunkers when they marched into Berlin?) Look at photos of the interior of "Wolf´s Lair"; Hitler´s personal "Valhalla" (HIS Crawford, Texas) where the top inner circle of the supreme Nazi Commanders met and conducted their HIGh (SAtanic) occult rituals...including human sacrifice (their is a sacrificial chamber within this "Fortress"). Hitler himself was a "handled" proxy for others operating well behind the scenes... Follow THAT history back to it´s true source and you will begin to understand what is involved here.
The basis for all of what is being discussed within this thread (with obvious exceptions), including the Alien Abduction Phenomenon and it´s attendent Trauma-based Programming (aka "mind control") is within:
The Occult.
We can even discuss Egypt and the generations after generations of unbroken lineage of the Brotherhood of Ptah; Lord of the Underworld; (THEY WERE THE BUREAUCRATS; the people who ran the show in the mundane bureaucracy of daily life). You´ll find these people operating behind the scenes "pulling the strings" of the great Pharoahs...who don´t even have as lengthy a family tree of unbroken continuity in their dynastic rule. These people also knew all the benefits of using Trauma to dissociate (and subsequently) control the "bluebloods"...look at Their rituals (BOOk of the Dead)...then follow THat stream to Palestein...and all the way up to the practices of the Hebrews...they were "magical practices" based in part on the Kaballah...and on the ritual practices of the Ptah sect in Egypt. The pre-Hebrews/Hyksos/Babylonians sacfificed THER OWN CHILDREN to Moloch; an owl; blood sacrifices: where does that fit in here?
Ever been to the Bohemian Grove in Northern California? I HAVE. There is a giant Owl (MOLOCH) in which "rituals" are conducted by men in hooded robes...some of the most pwerful men in the world..including those in Corporate power (the REAL power and military and heads of state and religiouss learders...etc., etc., this guest list is exclusive...here are you links; herein lies your thread of continuity...within the cult/occult.
Glad to hear some fresh voices here; we can always use another bright spark...
Welcome Stephen...good questions!
Whitley Strieber wrote;
"This doesn´t mean that aliens are not involved. What I would say is that somebody with a mastery of deception is involved. Frankly, I think that certain people opened the doors of their souls to something quite terrible; they let it in. Among them, Krause, who learned how to shatter the personalities of children in the camps, where he interrogated them for the Gestapo."
When you asked me in our private messaging if I was a Jew...and I responded "anyone who has been subject to Alien Abductions is a Jew."
You said you didn´t understand this...well, this is what I meant.
When I said I knew Mengele in childhood, I wasn´t talking as a Jewish survivor from a concentration camp in Germany or Poland...I was talking about being a child in the good ´ole U.S.A.
Mengele is the "godfather" of the modernized Trauma-based programming I have been rambling on and on and on now...trying to work my way up to talking about all this stuff.
I am sorry I made you confused with my oblique answer...but you have to understand, for me to just come out and say this stuff...as an unknown, here on the cyberhighway, is akin to paying someone to humiliate me.
When I mentioned that I knew both Micheal Aquino and Mengele in that long ago post...you were the only one that followed up on it...I am not sure why...god forbid that people here don´t know who Mengele was...I spent a good deal of my childhood in his presence...at least it seems that way. Maybe it´s just is that he is probably one of the most extraordinary people I ever met...I hated him and loved him at the same time.
Yeah, see, I know all about the psycho-babble stuff of which I have been blathering on about all his time...from the inside out.
I was very young when I was presented to him on a silver platter to mold into his Marrionette....quite literally actually.
Anyway, He was perfect. He insisted on perfection...and he had a manner about him that really could be described as "other worldly"; his eyes for one were like looking in a dark pool; a bottomless void; a darkness unforgiving...but all-knowing; even what was inside your own head, he knew, he always knew. But then again how many socio-paths does one get to hang out with on a regular basis?...Maybe they are all like that...
He never actually touched me,to my memory, he didn´t have to. While the underlings did all the dirty work of the torture stuff, Mengele only had to look at you to instill terror...he was the grand master of psychological insinuation.
He could manipulate you into a sheer state of absolute, almost-passing-out-brink-of-conscious bone chilling fear, just by turning his head in just the right way or changing the expression in his eyes.
He understood the value of fear as intimately as anyone could.
Everything he did was with the fine-tuned precision of a diamond cutter...and there´s one thing about him you won´t read about in history books; it´s only known by people like me, kids who knew him here...and Jews that survived his concentration camp "research". That one thing that made him so completely terrorizing...even thinking about it now makes me tremble a bit. He was completely unpredictable. Absolutely, not even in a psychic sort of way (and I was a super psychic kid!).
Mengele could not be anticipated. You never knew, no matter how well you performed for him....and I was one of his favorites´ (he told me so...and I made sure I became, and stayed one of his favorites´)...you still couldn´t be sure what he would do next. This had nothing to do with erratic behavior or madness...because he really wasn´t mad...he was very calculating and did everything with an outcome designed to be "perfect"...no, that wasn´t the source of his unpredictabiliy...it was something else.
Why was that so important to be able to anticipate what someone like him would do next?
Because, if you are a torture victim, the first thing you learn is to "become the mind of the torturer"...that is, you move so far "onto their map of the world" you lose your own identity; you own autonomy. You must, in order to survive and avoid the pain and physical torture, you must know exactly what their next move is...in order give them exactly what it is they want...or don´t want...or want you to do...or not do. So, you don´t make mistakes. Mistakes were deadly.
Mengele´s greatest weapon wasn´t that he would threaten to kill me (I was far too valuable an investment for him), but he would kill the child standing next to me, just to make an example of them and to make me bare the guilt of having been responsible for their death because of my "mistake."
And to create THAT lovely paradox of opposite emotions that ultimately binds you in a fixed moment in time that you are never able to escape was one of Mengele´s greatest tools of...motivation. I guess, on a lighter note, one could call him the "Tony Robbins of mind control"...with a Satanic edge, ofcourse.
Try imagining feeling relief at not being the one chosen to die; and guilt for not dieing in place of the kid standing next to you, that died for your mistake. A mistake as trivial as not responding to a command "better than perfect" within a criteria from a man who you could know from one minute to the next was going to do or say; kill you or let you live.
Try THAT one on...and walk around in it. And I feel those emotions as powerfully today as I did THAT day so long ago...It is irreconcilable within me.
Sometimes, I wish I could go to bed at night, and in the morning wake up and not remember all of the stuff I do remember, and yet, the irony here is, that I fought so hard, for so long, to find the truth of my life.
So, perhaps this will help some understand why, all this time, I have been a little short with people who want to claim that a little torture is "good for the soul."
And as far as what Whitley wrote, in this same post here, about the metaphysical aspect of opening windows...they were windows through time...and, I was one of the few chosen "specialists" to be sent through them quite literally. I was a "walker". That is what they called us...one of the things they called us.
The doorways that were opened, and traveled through, were done using a combination of high "off" planet technology and arcane occult practices. Before I hit puberty, I was a master trained in the metaphysical applications of the Kabbalah (the true Kabbalah) and the psychic tantric practices of the Kalichakra...the real kalichakra; taught by high lamas of the Red Hat Sect of Tibetan Buddhists who sewed an alliance with the Nazi´s and who...I called The Black Magicians in my childhood.
Believe it or not, They still come and "visit´ me today...and they do not even live in this time period...you think SOME PEOPLE AROUND HERE GOT WILD STORIES...YOU SHOULD HEAR MINE...but not night...er, this morning...cause I think I have said enough...probably too much...and I am sure I will regret it tommorrow....er....today, I mean.
Thank God for Whitley Strieber´s Post here!...Maybe now I won´t have to work so hard to convince you all (not you Susano) but the other yous, that I am exactly who I say I am...and what I know is true.
Good Night sleep tight... and thank your God, whoever that may be...that you´re NOT me with my memories; although I am sure some of you could tell equally scary stories...I wouldn´t wish any of it on any of you...not even you, Aztec...not even you.
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| Anders (BBM)
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Stephen In Arizona wrote;
"I´m not sure about the racial references that keep coming up. I think that a lot of the Jews nowadays are European Jews instead of the original Hebrew type. As far as abductees with significant Celtic or American Indian blood go, while these no doubt exist, their actual numbers are too small to account for the large numbers of abductees. The whole populations, especially the American Indians, are not that large. Also, I´m not sure why American Indians would have anything to do with Masonic or Jewish mysticism. Onesmartrat has promoted the idea, here, that Masonic traditions, in particular, are a big part of this.
Where do black people, like Barney Hill, fit in?
And who is doing the abductions in Latin America, and what are they getting out of it?"
Stephen;
Try to imagine a three ring circus...different agenda going on on each ring; however, it is still part of the Circus...the big Picture.
My ancestor Hugues De Payens started the original Knights Templars. He was not the same kind of "Mason" that are running around today...and that was running around during WWII operating within the Catholic Church to support the Nazi´s in their quest to "touch the face of God".
The American Indian is bio-anthrpologically closely related to Caucasians...specifically to the Northern European peoples..the Celts and other who share very specific anatomical anomalies exclusive to those groups. One being the inward curvature of the incisors of the upper palate.
Remember Kennewick Man? Why do you think the Army buried him under two tons of dirt?
Okay, this has to be a short post.
Understand that the Nazi´s were not who you think they were. They were after something, something that others who financed them were after as well. They went to get the knowledge and skills they needed among the people´s who held them in their oral and (genetic) traditions.
The Jews were primary targets because of who they really are, and the knowledge and advanced metaphysical abilities they possessed. The Nazi´s also went to Tibet and gained the patronage (metaphysically speaking) of one of the most formidable groups of metaphysicians in history; the Red Hat Sect of Tibetan Lamaism/Buddhism. The Nazi´s believed the Tibetan people were part of the "master race".
The Red Hat people were supporters of the Nazi´s because they could see through time...and also travel through it. They knew if the Nazi´s didn´t win WWII, Tibet would be lost and it´s inhabitants slaughtered by the thousands.
While the Nazi´s may have lost the war one way, they may have really won it in quite another way.
For there is another war going on; one which the Red Hat people knew of and were involved in...to some extent, that being the "war outside of time."
Going into this, takes us away from the subject at hand, but it does have a very viable connection to it and very intimate one for those of us involved. The problem is explaining it all....the truth here is far more disturbing and unpleasant than even what has been presented.
All of the tentacles of this great octopus are connected, and all converge upon the one common denominator: Time as we know it... and it´s manipulation.
If you understand this one thing, and the history relative to it, then all the rest falls into place.
P.S. The issue of how Black people fit, or do not fit into this, was not addressed, I am sorry, no time...must address in next post. But I will say something about Barney Hill; his initial descriptions of the "people" who abducted him was, according to statements he made to the hypnotist, was that they "looked like Nazi´s".
(PART II OF ´MY DINNER WITH ANDRE...ER, I MEAN WITH SUSANO´...!)
"In other words, allow the adult to, with FULL knowledge of the situation, take control."
No. recognize in the deepest part of your self (selves) at the core of your being, from an emotion based perspective that you have absolutely no control at all.
Give up the idea of control; let go of the clinging to the desire of it; the seductive nature of the illusion of it; completely, wholeheartedly...and you will taste freedom.
Easier said than done.
This sounds a little like what they tell you in Alanon but, that´s a reference to controlling somebody else, the alcoholic. Do you really feel we have no control over our own destinies? I´m more of the opinion that our thoughts create our reality, that we have free will, and that would mean we are very much in control. Afterall, who else would be? This is a metaphysical veiwpoint, and also easier said than done, I´ll admit. The idea of giving up control does remind me of the admonishment to not be attached, which is different. To say that we have no control, to go with that idea, seems, to me anyway, defeatist. I´m sure there is a certain peace in giving in to tyrants, but I think it´s a false one. You, yourself, are struggling to be to be free. If there´s no self control, free will, or real choices, wouldn´t it be futile to even try?
DID NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT "SELF´ CONTROL; THAT IS MUCH DIFFERENT THAN THINKING YOU HAVE CONTROL OVER A SITUATION OR THE BEHAVIORS OF OTHERS. AS FOR AN INDIVIDUAL´S DESTINY, WELL, CONTROL HAS VERY LITTLE TO DO WITH IT. MEETING YOUR OWN DESTINY HEAD TO HEAD HAS MORE TO DO WITH GIVING UP THE ILLUSION OF CONTROL AND EXPERIENCING HUMILITY IN IT´S DEEPEST AND MOST SPIRITUAL SENSE. REMOTE VIEWING TAUGHT ME THAT, AMONG OTHER EXPERIENCES, SOME WITH THE NATIVE AMERICAN PEOPLE I HAVE BEEN PRIVILEGED TO KNOW,
1) "Smarts, how many people do you think there are involved as handlers, or slave trainers, or whatever they call themselves?"
There has been statements made here on this thread by other posters that there are millions of abductees. I do not think I believe this; it is part of the hype. There are not millions of abductees. This is not a global event...as much as it is touted to be. The "Alien Abduction Syndrome" of which we speak is in various geographic locations around the world. Stategic power points. In those places you will find the same demographics of the types of people involved here. Ancestral commonalities, profiles for hypnotic savants (5 to 10 percent of population) and a common link genetically to ancestral nobility...and Cult power and influence in the government, police agencies, and military. And the presence of a powerful priesthood/dominant theology that is based on good vs. evil.
Ask yourself how many Christians there are in the world?.Then imagine that the Cult has twice as many members...how many would that be? Since they do not advertise, and many are hidden embedded in the other "religions", including those that are Pagan-based (New-age, Wicca, etc.,). (note: I am not saying all people in these religions are in the cult; I said SOME.)
Now you tell me how many of them are they?
Okay, first of all, you mention specific locations, with certain demographics, that constitute the bulk of abduction activity. I have no clue how many abductees there are. I´m interested in reading this stuff so, I realize, that by narrowing my vision, it can seem like there are a lot. Anyway, where exactly are these places that you refer to? Are these the well known (in New Age circles) power vortexes? Are there several factors, such as power vortex + military base + 2% indigenous population + whatever? For my own benefit, and everyone here, I´d like to know the formula SO I CAN AVOID THOSE PLACES!
YOU CANNOT AVOID YOU OWN DESTINY; WHAT YOU RESIST WILL ULTIMATELY SEEK YOU OUT.
The thing is, where are UFO´s (if they are part of this) NOT spotted? They seem to be all over the world.
YES. UFO´S MAY BE SEEN ALL OVER THE WORLD, BUT I WAS SPECIFICALLY REFERRING TO THE ALIEN ABDUCTION SYNDROME.
Additionally, you have mentioned that you moved and they didn´t like it. Was this because the location is inconvenient for them? They still show up though, right?
Can an abductee move someplace where they will not be bothered?
IF AN ABDUCTEES HAS CERTAIN "ELEMENTS" INVOLVED IN THEIR ABDUCTIONS, THEN NO, THERE IS NO PLACE ON THE PLANET THEY CAN GO TO ESCAPE.
About how many of them there are: There have to be millions of Christians, and you´re saying there are TWICE as many of the bad guys?! Do you mean mind controllers, Satanists, or what? That´s too hard to believe. Not that I don´t believe there are wicked people, but that many into cult stuff? I can only go from my own limited life experience, but I see lots of mainstream Christians, not particularly zealous, a smattering of a few other religious beliefs, and a bunch of people that don´t much care. Most, no matter if they are religious or not, seem to have a somewhat okay moral compass. So, what I´m wondering is, where are all these cult members? Are they the people next door, going to Satanic masses in each others´ basements? See, this is like Rosemary´s Baby. Please remember, when I ask these questions, and I seem incredulous, I remain open minded. All I´m saying is, if you tell me there are millions of serial killers, I´m gonna say, "where are they?".
3) "What do they want?"
Which they? The low level lackies or the big "top of the pyramid" enchiladas?
The low level lackies want not to die, and they want to get promotions.
The big enchiladas want, essentially, when you boil it all down to the core issue, they want to go home.
What do you mean, they want to go home?
THE SPECIFIC BEINGS I WAS REFERRING TO WISH TO RETURN TO THEIR SOURCE OF ORIGIN.
Like it´s all in a days work and they want to go home and play ball with their kids, or they want to go home to Hell, and serve Satan?
UH, NO.
Some masters are terrestrial; some are not. Some serve both. The hierarchy extends up to beyond human.
Who and what are the ones who are not human, and how do the two interact?
THEY INTERACT LIKE A COLONIZER INTERACTS WITH THE COLONIZED...VARYING AT VARYING LEVELS OF INTERACTION. TO BE MORE SPECIFIC THAN THIS, I WOULD NEED A SPECIFIC QUESTION REGARDING WHAT "ELEMENT" YOU WISH TO KNOW ABOUT. THE NON-HUMAN BEINGS I KNOW ARE AS DESCRIBED IN PREVIOUS POSTS; THERE ARE "ALIEN" HUMANOIDS, AND THERE ARE BEINGS THAT ARE NOT ALIEN OR HUMAN. THERE ARE OCCULTISTS, CULT MEMBERS, THERE IS MILITARY INVOLVEMENT, THERE IS INVOLVEMENT WITH "OTHER GROUPS"...IT IS LIKE TALKING ABOUT GLOBAL POLITICS...GEEZ, I DON´T KNOW EVERYTHING, I JUST KNOW WHAT I WAS EXPOSED TO, AND WHAT I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH FOR A LONG LONG TIME; A MILLENIUM IN FACT.
JFK was one such individual. A death warrant had to come from an extremely high authority within the Cult. The JFK assassination was a High Ritual Killing/sacrifice based on ancient occult/cult practices. There was definitely a death warrant issued on THAT individual.
What makes you say this? I´ll say that JFK had enough enemies, in very earthly, political terms, to be wasted. He and his brother double-crossed the Mafia, who got JFK elected; he wanted to get rid of the Federal Reserve (banking being the international vehicle of control); he double crossed the Cubans; he, possibly wanted out of Vietnam, which would have pissed off the military-industrial complex. Plenty of reasons to kill him. How does anything do do with cults enter into it? I know the stuff about Dealy Plaza being Masonic, but I still don´t get it.
YOU WON´T GET IT, UNLESS YOU´RE TUTORED FROM BIRTH IN THIS CR#P. I CAN´T CONVINCE ANYONE, BUT PEOPLE WITH THE REQUISITE KNOWLEDGE CAN GO TO DEALY PLAZA AND THEY WILL IMMEDIATELY RECOGNIZE WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT. WHO WERE THE PLAYERS IN THE JFK THING? WHO WAS CLAY SHAW, WHO WAS DAVID FERRIE, WHO WAS GEORGE DE MORGENSFELDT (SP?)?...WHO WAS JFK? 13TH BLOODLINER; THE KENNEDY CLAN WHO WERE/ARE THEY? FIRST CATHOLIC PRESIDENT...WHY BOTH BROTHERS?....WHO WAS/IS THE MAFIA?...YOU COULD START A THREAD ON THIS ONE.
THE RITUAL IS CALLED THE KILLING OF THE KING; LOOK IT UP. THE REASON THE KILL-SHOT CAME SO LATE AS HE WAS RIDING DOWN ELM INSTEAD OF THE MUCH CLEARER SHOT ON HOUSTON WAS BECAUSE HE HAD TO BE INSIDE THE "GRAIL" CONFIGURATION (DEALY PLAZA IS SHAPED LIKE A GRAIL CUP; LBJ OVERSAW IT´S CONSTRUCTION; THIS IS A HIGH HOLY GEOPHYSICALLY ALIGNED MASONIC SITE). IT WAS NO ACCIDENT HE WAS KILLED WHERE HE WAS; IT WAS NO ACCIDENT WE ALL GOT TO SEE IT...OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. JUST LIKE 911; ANOTHER HIGH OCCULT RITUAL PLAYED OUT ON THE GLOBAL STAGE.
Details, please, if you have them, or is it just a feeling?
NO. IT´S NOT A FEELING, I CAN´T GET TOO IN DEPTH HERE AS IT IS OFF TOPIC AND I DON´T WANT TO MONOPOLIZE THE THREAD. STUDY IT YOURSELF...PEOPLE CAN FIND THE CLUES IF THEY KNOW WHERE TO LOOK.
but because it´s still going on, I´m thinking that people like you, Smarts, are at the forefront."
"Do you think that´s accurate?"
Uh yeah...and they had me "identified" at birth; that´s why I got my infant a## kicked while still in the crib by none other than Anton La Vey (sp?)...My FIRST childhood memory, by the way, is THIS guy on the other side of about 10,000 volts! It is strangely enough more like an "adult memory" than a baby´s...I remember thinking (yeah I do) "oh, NO...THEY found me!" ("NO" being the polite substitute).
How, exactly, did Anton La VEy get his hands on you?
GOOD QUESTION. MY MOTHER WAS AN IRISH TORNADO AND WOULD HAVE KILLED ANYONE WHO GOT NEAR ME...HE GOT INTO THE HOUSE AND GOT ME IN MY CRIB...????
Remember there is a lot happening; not all are Alien Abductions...must separate the criteria and clearly identify what we are talking about...
Are military/cult activities separate from some of the alien stuff? If there is any cooperation between the two, why would aliens need that. I mean, if they are technologically superior, couldn´t they just do what they feel like doing?
They´ve killed me several times...but I just keep coming back...like a thorn in their side.
I´m assuming you mean psychologically.
NO, I DON´T MEAN PSYCHOLOGICALLY. I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS A LONG LONG TIME, WELL BEYOND THIS LIFETIME. ONE OF THE BY-RODUCTS OF THE KNOWLEDGE AND TRAINING IN OCCULTIC PRACTICES IS THAT YOU ARE TAUGHT TO HAVE ACCESS TO YOUR OWN PAST "SOUL" HISTORY. THIS IS ONE OF THE USES OF THE KABBALAH. IT IS ALSO PART OF THE RED HAT SECT TRAINING OF TIBETAN LAMAISM..
"While it seems impossible that this could be going on, under the radar of everyday life, completely out of the notice of millions of other people,
Some people have noticed...now, I am gonna say something that is really politically incorrect...they noticed this in the Moslem world a while ago...NOT ALL Moslems, mind you, but quite a few... and many of them actually ARE fighting the Great Satan...quite literally. Hey, these people pray five times a day...hmmm, that has got to have some accumulated effect...doesn´t it?
Well, since political correctness comes from the left, and the left takes the position that Muslims are victims, I wouldn´t call it politically incorrect. Unpopular, yes!
THE "LEFT" ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR INVENTING POLITICAL CORRECTNESS. IT ORWELLIAN MIND-THINK MORE DANGEROUS THAN A LOADED GUN, IF YOU ASK ME.
I have a deep disdain for Islam. I´m not a fan of religion, period, but Islam, IMO, is dark ages stuff. So they pray 5 times a day - so what?
EVER BEEN THERE? THERE IS A LOT MORE TO HUMAN BEINGS THAN DOGMA...ANY PRACTICE THAT IS DONE TO WHICH THE INDIVIDUAL IS DEVOUT AND WHOLEHEARTED WILL YIELD SPIRITUAL INSIGHT. PEOPLE WHO PRAY FIVE TIMES A DAY EARNESTLY, HAVE THEIR MINDS ON OTHER THINGS BESIDES FOOTBALL GAMES AND THE LATEST MODEL SUV. PERCEPTION IS OPENED UP IN THE SPIRITUAL REALMS AND THEIR WHOLE RELATIONSHIP WITH THEIR WORLD BECOMES DEFINED BY THEIR INNER VISIONS AND RIGHT-BRAINED PERCEPTIONS; REGARDLESS OF THE PATH THAT LED THEM THERE. I WAS SPEAKING OF SPIRITUAL PRACTITIONERS FOLLOWING MUSLIM TRADITIONS; NOT MUSLIM FANATICS AFTER POLITICAL AGENDAS, VOID OF SPIRITUAL INSIGHT BY VIRTUE OF THEIR BEHAVIOR.
SOME OF THE ORIGINS OF THIS KIND OF TRAUMA-BASED PROGRAMMING CAME OUT OF THE MIDDLE EAST, BY THE WAY.
HAMMAS IS AN ISRAELI MOSSSAD BACKED PROGRAM...EXACTLY HOW DO YOU THINK THEY ARE GETTING THESE ARAB KIDS TO WALK AROUND WITH BOMBS STRAPPED TO THEM?...A LITTLE TRAUMA-MIND SPLITTING "THERAPY".
JEWS BLOWING UP JEWS. YOU THINK THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IN HISTORY THIS HAS HAPPENED...CHECK YOUR HISTORY BOOKS. IT´S CALLED THE DOCTRINE OF FALSE OPPOSITION.
Nothing but meaningless ritual, akin to recitation without understanding or insight. In the name of religion, people have done all sorts of horrible things. In the case of Christians, however, no one can claim it is a reflection of Christ.
CHRIST WAS A SOCIAL REVOLUTIONARY; NOT A HIPPIE FLOWER CHILD.
We have his words, and they speak of love, forgiveness, and compassion.
AND OF TURNING FATHER AGAINST SON; DAUGHTER AGAINST MOTHER. HE SAID HE CAME "NOT WITH AN OLIVE BRANCH, BUT WITH A SWORD".
HE ALSO SAID, "WHEN I RETURN, I WILL NOT COME AS ONE; I WILL COME AS MANY".
HE SPOKE THESE THINGS TO HIS AUDIENCE; HIS AUDIENCE WERE SLAVES; JEWS UNDER ROMAN OCCUPATION.
In the case of Islam, we have a prophet who gave mixed messages. In Abrahamic tradition, all kinds of proscriptions and prescriptions, about the living of daily life, were given. When it came to anyone outside of the faith, it was and is perfectly alright to "cut the throats of the infidels". What the hell kind of spirituality is that? I don´t care about attempts to find the mystical (Sufis), I´m talking about the so-called prophet himself, and he was a bad human being (and I would say the same about anyone who advocated such atrocities), and his teachings reflect that. Now, if the Islamic world is angry about the political situation, fair enough. So am I. I hate the foreign policy that props up dictators for corporate gain. But, if they think they can point to Americans, the people, as the "great Satan", the idea is laughable.
I HAVE MET THE GREAT SATAN HERE IN THIS COUNTRY; I HAD TO GO TO AN INDIAN RESERVATION TO DO IT, BECAUSE WE ARE TOO BUSY WATCHING FOOTBALL GAMES AND WORRYING ABOUT WHICH CORPORATE PAWN GETS ELECTED NEXT, WE FAIL TO SEE HIM IN OUR LIVING ROOMS EVERY NIGHT WHEN WE TURN ON THE TUBE...ANOTHER GREAT PIECE OF MIND-CONTROL TECHNOLOGY.
C.S. LEWIS WROTE IN THE SCREWTAPE LETTERS;
(THE DEVIL SPEAKING TO AN UNDERLING);
"THE GREATEST ACT OF EVIL I CAN COMMIT IS TO KEEP MANKIND IN DOUBT OF MY EXISTENCE."
OUR WEALTH; OUR LUXURY; OUR ARROGANCE, COMES OFF THE BACKS OF A MAJORITY OF PEOPLE IN THE WORLD WHO LIVE IN ABJECT POVERTY SO WE CAN FUEL UP AND CONSUME 60 PERCENT OF THE WORLD´S FOOD. WE ARE A FAT, LAZY, SPIRITUALLY IGNORANT BUNCH OF RACIAL ELITISTS...AND OUR END WILL COME BY THE SAME HAND THAT WE HAVE USE TO SUCK THE RESOURCES DRY OF THE OTHER LANDS OF THE OTHER PEOPLES WE HAVE MADE IT OUR BUSINESS TO DESTROY...AND THE AMERICAN INDIANS ARE THE FIRST IN THAT LINE...
(AND THE RED CHINESE WILL COME HERE WHEN THEIR OIL/FUEL RESOURCES DRY UP AT HOME AND IN IN THE MiDDLE EAST.)
READ YOUR NOAM CHOMSKY PLEASE.
NO RELIGION HAS THE MARKET ON GREED AND ARROGANCE. WHAT WE FAIL TO UNDERSTAND, BECAUSE WE ARE IGNORANT OF HISTORY, IS THAT THIS IS, FOR THESE PEOPLE, JUST ANOTHER ACT IN A LONG CONTINUATION OF THE SAME WAR THAT BEGAN WITH THE CRUSADES...THEY HAVE A MUCH LONGER MEMORY THAN WE DO.
These are people who treat women like dirt, chop off hands for stealing, and gather to gawk, in the public square, at beheadings.
IN THIS COUNTRY A WOMAN DIES EVERY TWENTY MINUTES AT THE HANDS OF SOMEONE (ALMOST ALWAYS A MALE) SHE KNOWS AND RAPE IS SO COMMON IT HARDLY MAKES THE NEWS...AND HOW MANY LITTLE GIRLS ARE USED AS SEX TOYS AND THROWN AWAY IN THIS COUNTRY?
I HAVE BEEN TO EGYPT SEVERAL TIMES...RAPE IS A HANGING OFFENSE. NO PLACE IS PERFECT, BUT I HAVE FOUND FAR MORE RESPECT FOR WOMAN OVER THERE THAN I HAVE EVER ENCOUNTERED HERE. YOU SPEAK OF THE HOUSE OF SAUD, HOISTED INTO POWER BY THE BRITISH, WHO ARE THE CORRUPT LAP DOGS OF THE WEST...THEY ARE ANYTHING BUT MUSLIMS.
No, I don´t think they know jack about morality, and are in no position to stand in judgement of ANYONE. While I did not support the invasion of Iraq, in the war of ideas, I know which side I come down on, and it isn´t with the barbarians. I realize that millions of people claim to be of this or that religion, but in reality, it´s upbringing, custom, culture, etc. I don´t claim that all Muslims follow the dictates of Islam, anymore than all Catholics pay any attention to the Pope. Fresh in my mind, though, are Palestinians dancing and celebrating in the streets, at the news reports of the falling of The World Trade Center, and the massive loss of life. If Satan existed, and I don´t believe he does, 9/11 would be his holiday.
YEAH, THEY DANCED IN CELEBRATION BECAUSE THEY HAVE LOST FAR MORE PEOPLE TO THE AMERICAN MADE APACHE HELICOPTERS AND ISRAELI WAR MACHINE KEPT IN POWER BY BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF AMERICAN TAXPAYER MONEY. IF I WAS AN PALESTINIAN SUFFERING UNDER GENERATIONS OF OCCUPATION, AND WATCHING MY CHILDREN DIE IN THOSE APACHE HELICOPTER RAIDS ON REFUGE CAMPS...I WOULD HAVE BEEN DANCING IN THE STREETS MYSELF. AS IT IS, WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DEATH OF THEIR CHILDREN BECAUSE WE PAY FOR THE INSTRUMENTS OF THEIR DEATH; WE DO THAT.
And The Native Americans noticed right out of the gate...and they still notice it...and resist and get pounded every time.
True prophets, in my book. They have my utmost respect.
"things like the release of the MK ULTRA documents give credence to the incredible."
MKULTRA had elements of this, but all of the real truth is still buried deep...and will never see the light of day.
Are you talking about the cult side, here? Are ALL military abduction/mind control programs rooted in the occult, or only some?
YES. DO YOU THINK CULT PEOPLE JUST SIT IN TRAIL PARKS AND JUST DO RITUAL SACRIFICES ON HALLOWEEN? THEY ARE IN ALL LEVELS OF SOCIETY, GOVERNMENT, POLICE AGENCIES...THE BOY SCOUTS FOR GOD´S SAKE (SCOUT LEADERS); THE PREISTHOOD, DOCTORS, TEACHERS, SCIENTISTS, LAWYERS, JUDGES, POLITICIANS,...ETC,. WHO DO THINK MICHEAL AQUINO IS; SOME HILLBILLY? HE HAD A TOP SECRET CLEARANCE AND WAS INVITED TO THE WHITE HOUSE AS A CONSULTANT... YOU DON´T THINK THEY KNEW WHO HE WAS/IS? AND WHAT HE WAS INVOLVED IN. HE MADE A FILM ABOUT MONARCH PROGRAMMING TECHNIQUES FOR THE MILITARY...THAT WAS ALLEGEDLY SHOWN AT THE WHITE HOUSE DURING REAGAN I... (DON´T WORRY THEY SHOWED IT AFTER RONNIE WENT TO BED).
If it´s ever to stop, it has to see the light of day, so I hope you´re being overly pessimistic. Do you think it can be stopped, Smarts - the abduction/mind control?
YES, YES, YES, THAT´S WHAT THE FIFTH COLUMN IS FOR...!!!!!!!!
Anyway, so sorry about the length of this! I wish we could all talk in person. Everyone brings up such interesting points, and personal observations, that I have a strong desire to ask and talk more.
I started this early in the day, and had to leave, half way through, for a few hours. I´m sure by the time I post this, there will be more to respond to. As usual, a lot to keep up with.
OY...AND MY HOUSE IS STILL A MESS....
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Anders
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| Anonymous Coward
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| Anders (BBM)
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And so, no preparation, and due to creepy Orri, whom I was required to babysit. he´s blind...
Eeeep! I never could understand a single word of his word-salad babblings ... maybe others could... |
| Anders (BBM)
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TULPA CREATION
The word Tulpa is from the Tibetan language and refers to any entity that attains reality solely by the act of imagination. The entity is created entirely within the confines of ones own mind, not drawn out, written down or even verbally described.
If its creator wishes, this "Tulpa Creation" may become physical reality through intense concentration and visualization. However, care must be taken to only bring to reality what is beneficial to the world, lest it´s destruction becomes more problematic than its creation (see related account on Alexandra David-Neel) |
| Anders (BBM)
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This following is from Gaetan Delaforgem from a Gnosis article, "The Templar Tradition: yesterday and today":
..."An egregore is a kind of group mind which is created when people consciously come together for a common purpose. Whenever people gather together to do something and egregore is formed, but unless an attempt is made to maintain it deliberately it will dissipate rather quickly. However if the people wish to maintain it and know the techniques of how to do so, the egregore will continue to grow in strength and can last for centuries.
An egregore has the characteristic of having an effectiveness greater than the mere sum of its individual members. It continuously interacts with its members, influencing them and being influenced by them. The interaction works positively by stimulating and assisting its members but only as long as they behave and act in line with its original aim. It will stimulate both individually and collectively all those faculties in the group which will permit the realization of the objectives of its original program. If this process is continued a long time the egregore will take on a kind of life of its own, and can become so strong that even if all its members should die, it would continue to exist on the inner dimensions and can be contacted even centuries later by a group of people prepared to live the lives of the original founders, particularly if they are willing to provide the initial input of energy to get it going again.
If the egregore is concerned with spiritual or esoteric activities its influence will be even greater. People who discover the keys can tap in on a powerful egregore representing, for example, a spiritual or esoteric tradition, will, if they follow the line described above by activating and maintaining such an egregore, obtain access to the abilities, knowledge, and drive of all that has been accumulated in that egregore since its beginnings. Agroup ororder which manages to do this can, with a clear conscience, claim to be an authentic order of the tradition represented by that egregore. In my view this is the only yardstick by which a genuine Templar order should be measured." |
| OPie
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Hmmm ... the egregore sounds similar to what Vincent was describing about the golden dawn and the connection to the C´s. Also sounds like something like that could have been formed at the Florida gathering. |
| Anders (BBM)
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Right OPie, I was just checking out some words I was unfamiliar with... not sure if these defs are totally correct though. |
| Infinitea
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[link to en.wikipedia.org]
Never knew the egregore of Santa Claus
was created by the Coca-Cola Company!
Interesting how similar are the words "egregious" and "egregore." Hmm, I wonder if the former word
applies to the egregore of the QFS...
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| Infinitea
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Found this while Googling "egregore."
[link to www.jwmt.org]
First of all, you need to know if the Order you are considering is reputable or not. One should make a point of associating ONLY with those who are of like mind and heart. To associate and share in spiritual work with those who are "crooked" or unbalanced is to foster these same qualities in yourself and kill any Light you have gained up ´til now. When we engage in spiritual practices with others we are permeated with the impressions of the people we are together with, and this includes any warped motives or ideals. This is true in any kind of relationship, but especially true in Ritual and other Esoteric practice.
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| Vincent Bridges
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a little off topic, relating to the Red Hat Lama sect and alleged time travel capabilities ... she (OSR - One Smart Rat) says they (the Red Hat sect) worked with the Nazis during ww2 to try and alter the current timeline to avoid later Chinese persecution of Tibet etc etc
maybe Vincent or others might like to comment?
V: OK, yes a small number, seven at the most, of Tibetan lamas travelled to Germany early in the war, expenses paid for by the SS "Occult Branch." The interest was not in time travel, but in Shambalah. At least five of them died in the fall of Berlin in 1945. It is uncertain what happened to the other two. It´s a complex story, but the tibetan lamas seem to have ben ignored for most of the war. The reason for bringing them to Europe, the Nazi fascination with Root Races and ancient lost civilizations, faded with the difficulties of war, and they languished forgotten until the Red Army shot them in May 1945. Not exactly the stuff of conspiracy theories and occult pot-boilers such as Peter Moon´s work. And technically, the monks were from a subsect of the Nyngma-pa known as the Black Hats, and it is very unlikely that performed any kind of Black Magick for the Nazis...
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Harry Potter for ´adulterate adults´:
Egregore
Latin root grex = the herd; as in congregation or segregation.
Something that evolves from the herd. Herd as in shepherd.. (lat. pastor)
Latin saying: Qualis rex, talis grex. As is the king, so are his sheeple.
Some antidote:
"The activity of belief is confusing and destructive; it may at first seem
orderly and constructive, but in its wake there is conflict and misery.
Every kind of belief, religious or political, prevents the understanding of
relationship, and there can be no action without this understanding."
- Jissu Krishnamurti
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| Infinitea
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Krishnamurti also said "You are the world, the observer is the observed." He said that if each person gave attention to healing the fragmentation in their own consciousness, it would alter the consciousness of the whole.
Perhaps Laura is mirroring our fears and our
fragmentation, so we can more clearly perceive
and heal them... |
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| Anders (BBM)
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Thanks Vincent, am going to follow up with some books - Black Sun sounds interesting ... BTW I saw a 1 hour Documentary recemtly about the Nazis in Tibet, prior and during ww2, lots of rare b + w archive footage, maybe it will make it to the Hitler channel or PBS... |
| Vincent Bridges
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Watching her interact with an "audience," such as a group of people in an internet forum, it is clear that she functions more or less as an "amplifier" of the secret desires, least permissible instincts, the sufferings, personal revolts, and all the repressed and suppressed shadow sides of other people, giving it voice and permission to exist, as well as justification.
Her written passages are not particularly well structured, and some of it is actually painful to read, but it seems that she has the ability to sense what people want him to give them permission to do and be, and she is then able to manipulate these themes so as to arouse their emotions.
Via these writings, which are almost "virtual speeches," she is able to numb the critical faculties of her readers to the point where they are willing to believe anything she says. She flatters and cajoles, builds up straw men and knocks them down, and she always manages to say what the majority of her audience is secretly thinking but cannot verbalize because they are dark thoughts, unacceptable in rational and/or scholarly circles.
Of course, she does all of this under the guise of "daring to speak the truth and to defy the authorities and oppressors of the true human spirit!" She appeals to the most primitive and basest instincts and inclinations, and cloaks them with nobility and the image of being high ideals, and is thus able to justify all actions as the means to the attainment of these ideal goals.
She can come across as so sincere and convincing, and does the "we´re hermanos" act so well, that her readers or listeners are ready to believe anything about him that SHE says, because they WANT to, even if the facts indicate the exact opposite. This emotional bond she is able to create in her audience is not easily dissolved, and it seems to rob people of their critical functions.
It cannot be denied that she has extraordinary abilities where the psychology of the average person is concerned. She knows how to apply group psychology, and she appeals mostly to women, or to the feminine parts of men.
She has a strange memory. She seems to be able to pull up facts and figures about a narrow range of topics without the slightest hesitation and uses this faculty to give an approximation of infallibility.
Her rules seem to be: never let people cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternative views; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequenty enough people will sooner or later believe it.
She does not think things through in a normal way. (This is the most difficult item for people who actually DO think). Her mental processes seem to operate in reverse. Instead of studying a problem, she avoids it until his "voice" speaks to him. Once she has the "solution," she begins to search for facts that support it. In other words, her thought processes begin with emotion, and move to selecting facts that she "likes." It is this characteristic that makes it difficult to predict her actions. She is, truly, an "alien reaction machine."
The one thing that she seems to be unable to tolerate is ridicule or humiliation.
When she faces opposition that is not ameliorated by any support, she breaks down and writes in the tones of a vaudeville performer. Melodrama and all...
She does not seem to be able to carry on a normal conversation. She talks "at" a person, not "to" them. She is unable to engage in a "give and take" exchange. She is either preaching, or silent and listening to other people talk.
While she listens to others, she absorbs data and later uses it as her own, never giving credit to where she got it. She is a "poseur." She remembers things she has heard and, just as she has a talent for mimicry, she has a talent for repeating things she has heard in such a way that the listener is led to believe that they are her own, that she is very clever - even a genius.
Her memory is oddly selective. While she has a prodigious memory for accumulating facts and figures and curious "scholarly" items, phrases and mimicked intellect, she does not seem to be able to remember when she uses one bit of information to manipulate one person one day, and uses the same info in another way or context another day.
There is an air that follows her that reeks of unnatural sexuality, like an evil emanation. Nothing in her environment is straightforward. Surreptitious relationships, substitutes, symbols, false sentiments, secret lusts - the very air around him is unnatural. Nothing is genuine, nothing is open, natural or clean.
Nevertheless, others who have these proclivities seem to form a deep allegience to her and are obviously ready to forgive or ignore his shortcomings. Are they oblivious to these things, or are they merely attached because she is the amplifier of the same things within them?
V: This is from [link to cassiopaea.com] and is LKJ´s parphrase of a profile of Hitler, applied of course to me. However, with all that we have seen here, just changing the pronoun gives us a very good profile of LKJ herself! The fact that she keeps these emails, and our older exchanges, up on the web, when they are so damaging to her credibility, is just more proof of her psychopathy.
VB |
| Anders (BBM)
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Excellent point and exactly Chandra´s view too. |
| Vincent Bridges
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7/25/2005 9:36 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
It struck me at the time that it was amazing how easily LKJ turned my co-author against me. She hit him at his most vulnerable point, and then used every hint and nuance against him. Reading through their exchange, one has the feeling of watching a master con-artist at work. Remember, this was the guy who had been telling me for years she was a fraud and a nut case, just months before he had lost a chunk of money for the retreat center where he worked due to her, and had called her some ripe names to boot, and here he was, swallowing the party line like a true believer. The power of positive deception, I called it...
The Hitler/LKJ comparison is very useful however. I once told her, when I was working on trying to edit, if you can imagine, an early version of Amazing Grace, that her holocaust story had a certain similarity to that of Magda Goebbels... that went over real well...
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| Anders (BBM)
User ID: 7930
7/25/2005 10:47 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
that her holocaust story had a certain similarity to that of Magda Goebbels... that went over real well...
LOL
and Initiation, as I said before, I think Laura said she had worn her copy out... |
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