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| Anders (BBM)
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7/25/2005 10:49 AM | | Anders (BBM)
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7/25/2005 10:50 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
one has the feeling of watching a master con-artist at work
for some folks I really do believe it comes naturally
it cannot be taught
itīs a gift! |
| Vincent Bridges
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7/25/2005 11:37 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
and Initiation, as I said before, I think Laura said she had worn her copy out...
V: Oh yeah, there was that point... So much of Amazing Disgrace seemed to be taken from stuff she had read and dramatized for the sake of her story. Later, when I talked at length to her family, I heard a completely different version. She liked to pick up dramatic points as a way to make her life seem more important. Take for instance the Dr Zivagho stuff in the Tallahasse attempted murder reframing. Actually, when you read the news reports from the local paper of record, you find that the cops had some serious issues with little old Laura. She didnīt just hit on the head with a frying pan, but stabbed him several times, then left him unconscious in his apartment, when downstairs, changed clothes, took a shower and acted surprised when the cops showed up several hours later and arrested her. It would have been murder, but the guy came to, crawled to the balconey and called for help. She got off because in the South in 1970, one gave a wide lattitude to wronged damsels. Laura played into it, her grandfather mortgaged his property for a smart lawyer, and the guy she almost killed was a scum bag anyway. She walked, but... Why was a teenager off on her own, virtually living with a guy as scuzzy as this one?
VB |
| Infinitea
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7/25/2005 12:26 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Why was a teenager off on her own, virtually living with a guy as scuzzy as this one?
Hereīs another question. What happened to Laura when she was abducted (by an uncle, as I understand it) at age two? And has she ever really dealt with the fallour from that? |
| OPie
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7/25/2005 1:09 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
It struck me at the time that it was amazing how easily LKJ turned my co-author against me. She hit him at his most vulnerable point, and then used every hint and nuance against him. Reading through their exchange, one has the feeling of watching a master con-artist at work.
Actually, those of us in the group at the time were as surprised as you. We warned her, in fact, that she shouldnīt trust him because his rapid turnaround made no sense. But apparently she knew what she was doing. |
| OPie
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7/25/2005 1:13 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Actually, when you read the news reports from the local paper of record, you find that the cops had some serious issues with little old Laura. She didn´t just hit on the head with a frying pan, but stabbed him several times, then left him unconscious in his apartment ...
Lord almighty, thatīs the first Iīve heard of a stabbing! I was under the impression (from Laura) that she whacked him on the head with a cast iron frying pan a couple of times. That would have certainly knocked someone down enough to run for help. But knifing someone! Thatīs quite different. I may have to re-think this whole scenario. |
| OPie
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7/25/2005 1:37 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Here´s another question. What happened to Laura when she was abducted (by an uncle, as I understand it) at age two? And has she ever really dealt with the fallour from that?
As I remember, she could never remember what happened exactly. How can you deal with something when you canīt remember what happened? Seems odd, too, that she never remembered when she has dealt so much with hypnosis.
IF it actually happened (and I think that could be a valid question), it seems like it was some sort of childhood porno ring or group. |
| Anonymous Coward
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7/25/2005 2:40 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
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| Anonymous Coward
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7/25/2005 2:51 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
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| Infinitea
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7/25/2005 3:19 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
As I remember, she could never remember what happened exactly. How can you deal with something when you can´t remember what happened? Seems odd, too, that she never remembered when she has dealt so much with hypnosis.
IF it actually happened (and I think that could be a valid question), it seems like it was some sort of childhood porno ring or group.
Well, it would certainly explain a lot. Poor kid... |
| Eileen
User ID: 4454
7/25/2005 4:03 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
To Vincent and others, Iīve spent the last couple of weeks pouring over LKJīs "The Wave" and though identified with some of it (still having problems with those aliens), had some queer feelings. So, I wrote to Laura, and her own e-mails sent me on a search and I have found you!
In approximately 4 e-mails, LKJ has consistently ranted negatively about all of those who are "out to get her." Of course, in search for knowledge, and wanting to make sure that I had all knowledge--"good or bad" (sound familiar?) I started doing searches on my own. Mostly following names from her work--though not all were real, some helped me to find several sites--that "speak the truth" about LKJ and others.
In all fairness, I wanted to give her the benefit of the doubt, so I began reading "Adventures" and was immediately suspect when L started out by dissing "Frank/Fred." This certainly did not have the makings of a true STO being. To tell you the true, I was a little disappointed to discover that she was right, there were people "out to get" her, but apparently it was her own doing.
Vincent, I would be keely interested in speaking with you further on this matter, if and when you have the time, and can be reached at queenaslan@aol.com.
Thanks again for helping to open my mind. I have wasted a good deal of time up until now (through chapter 5) with "Adventures" and at this point, Iīm going to stop right here. There is too much negativity in this world as it is, and subjecting myself to any more of it, at this point, would be unhealthy.
Also, I want to thank those who have given hints about the unedited stuff--I do inted to read through that!
Eileen. |
| Anonymous Coward
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7/25/2005 4:05 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
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| Anonymous Coward
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7/25/2005 5:20 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
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| Anonymous Coward
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7/25/2005 5:21 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
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| Anonymous Coward
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7/25/2005 5:26 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
hypnosis sometimes doesnt work to remember traumatic experience if theres a program of self destruct against remembering, dissociated brain is very complex especially if fragmented on purpose by someone with an agenda |
| Anonymous Coward
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7/25/2005 5:28 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
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| Eileen
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7/25/2005 6:01 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Again, whoever posted the info about checking the internet for the unedited transcripts, thanks.
And through the second document, already Iīm seeing so many inconsistencies, itīs not funny!
Also, the first, as well as the second documents show all these terrible dissasters--but they are not in The Wave series--most likely because the timeline given at that time was within the year, and since none of those things happened, the information was left out!
The third document, though quite small, gives the illusion that the Casseopians really didnīt want to be bothered! It almost sounds as though they werenīt neccessarily channelled as much as they were kidnapped and forced to devulge information--possibly even information that L had previously found on some psychics website of predictions! Of note here, though, is that the Cīs were actually telling L that not all UFOs were bad, but nowhere in any of the stuff published on her site does she state this.
So far, what Iīm getting off of these Q & A sessions with the Cs is that you have a couple of people who wanted to dabble in magic for the sole purpose of receiving validation of answers that they had gotten elsewhere (conspiracy theorists, psychics, etc.)
Additionally, they are much easier to read without all of Līs interpretations and "insights" into what was being said. They are also much easier to read in their own context instead of bits and pieces here and there, some with dates and most without. These are dated and mostly without comment. |
| Anders (BBM)
User ID: 10454
7/25/2005 6:04 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Good going Eileen - I hope you have been saved a lot of grief, Iīm sure you have. |
| Eileen
User ID: 4454
7/25/2005 6:14 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Anders (Andy?) Yes, I think I have made the right decision to disassociate myself with L and her website before I get dragged into it any further.
I am really having fun though reading through the unedited stuff and seeing how much wasnīt included in the "series." There is so much, and as I believe Vincent hints to in one of his articles, L tends to pick out what wants to use and manipulates it to suit her and her needs.
I really was getting tired of all the rambling on and on and on. |
| Anders (BBM)
User ID: 10454
7/25/2005 6:18 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Eileen - by all means read the wave series and anything else that grabs your fancy - place had me hooked for many long days and nights of reading back before 2000 - but now you know what we all didnīt know back then. Have fun. There is much of value, which is why so many allegedly clever and clued-up ppl were and still are sucked in ... there is also the old SWITCHEROO that happens far too often. |
| Eileen
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7/25/2005 6:42 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Anders, already wasted a week reading the Wave series. But it did give me pause to think.
Has there ever been any indication that some of the original, unedited stuff may have really been channelled?
Thereīs so much information out there, I just wonder whoīs right, and what the real story is.
Guess Iīd be wise to keep reading Vincentīs site in order to get a better idea. It seems that most of the people on this site respect what he has to say, and some who actually know him, seem to be backing him up too. |
| Anonymous Coward
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7/25/2005 7:58 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Does anyone know what happened to Fredric Irland? |
| Vincent Bridges
User ID: 152
7/25/2005 8:29 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Has there ever been any indication that some of the original, unedited stuff may have really been channelled?
V: Depends on what you mean by "channelled." The information was received in an altered state of conscious, a trance state, in which the two personalities of LKJ and Fred combined to form a susceptible "host." Unfortunately there is no evidence whatsoever that they were in contact with anything other than the usual lower astral critters attracted to ouiji boards. Their lack of ritual hygiene and control protocols insured that only the lowest levels gained access. There were exceptions, of course, but they were very rare and usually ignored.
VB |
| Vincent Bridges
User ID: 152
7/25/2005 8:32 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
And through the second document, already I´m seeing so many inconsistencies, it´s not funny!
V: Wait till you get to the one where the Cs solve the Susan Smith murder case... They are so smart... Wonder why they didnīt know that SS drowned those kids... Hummm...
VB |
| Vincent Bridges
User ID: 152
7/25/2005 8:36 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
I am really having fun though reading through the unedited stuff and seeing how much wasn´t included in the "series." There is so much, and as I believe Vincent hints to in one of his articles, L tends to pick out what wants to use and manipulates it to suit her and her needs.
V: Yep, it is easy to make the Cs seem omniscient if you quote snippets and donīt use dates. Read the real sessions in chronological order and a completely different picture emerges.
VB |
| Eileen
User ID: 4454
7/25/2005 9:07 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Vincent, thanks for the feedback. Iīm still reading through your site, The Casseopean Cult and digesting it slowly.
The only reason that I started reading the stuff from the site anyway is because of some of my own experiences--no, I donīt channel Casseopians! But I have had a few experiences of my own, and thought that L and the Cs might be able to validate some of what Iīm learning. I was wrong. Though Iīm not sure I would discount all of the information--I would proceed with caution--and not read anything more into it than someone trying to con others--which by the way, I did not just take your word for it, Iīve been doing a lot of research on Laura these past few days (hope you donīt mind, I would expect you to believe everything I said either :) ).
Her own e-mails to me have been so filled with negatives that I was immediately turned off and resumed my own research on her--which I had started to do when I first found her website--but wanted to finish reading through it before I tried to see who was out there refuting her stuff.
It seems to me that she is quite paranoid and is seeing enemies behind every corner in France! She told me that someone had found out their address there and posted it on the internet. She says that since that time, they have received more physical threats. Whether this is true or not remains to be seen. If I had made off with a couple of $100,000, I think I would have found a new identity, and hidden away somewhere instead of staying in the public eye.
I guess my question is, if there are all these problems here in the states, why canīt we extracate her from France? I mean what ever happened with the house? Didnīt anyone ever file charges? |
| Vincent Bridges
User ID: 152
7/25/2005 9:33 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
To Vincent and others, I´ve spent the last couple of weeks pouring over LKJ´s "The Wave" and though identified with some of it (still having problems with those aliens), had some queer feelings. So, I wrote to Laura, and her own e-mails sent me on a search and I have found you!
In approximately 4 e-mails, LKJ has consistently ranted negatively about all of those who are "out to get her." Of course, in search for knowledge, and wanting to make sure that I had all knowledge--"good or bad" (sound familiar?) I started doing searches on my own. Mostly following names from her work--though not all were real, some helped me to find several sites--that "speak the truth" about LKJ and others.
In all fairness, I wanted to give her the benefit of the doubt, so I began reading "Adventures" and was immediately suspect when L started out by dissing "Frank/Fred." This certainly did not have the makings of a true STO being. To tell you the true, I was a little disappointed to discover that she was right, there were people "out to get" her, but apparently it was her own doing.
Vincent, I would be keely interested in speaking with you further on this matter, if and when you have the time, and can be reached at queenaslan@aol.com.
Thanks again for helping to open my mind. I have wasted a good deal of time up until now (through chapter 5) with "Adventures" and at this point, I´m going to stop right here. There is too much negativity in this world as it is, and subjecting myself to any more of it, at this point, would be unhealthy.
Also, I want to thank those who have given hints about the unedited stuff--I do intend to read through that!
Eileen.
Hi Eileen,
Unless you are interested in abberant psychology and its theological, political and social ramifications, there ainīt much of value in the Cs. IMHO, the same is true for 99% of all channelled material, including my own snippets. We all have access to the information, the real goods so to speak, through our innate connection to the Buddha Field, or the Force if you like Star Wars metaphors. Almost anyone can learn to be a medium or a channeller, it is almost like a virus in the way that it spreads by contact, but without much training in astral discernment and the right use of such abilities, the medium ends up possessed and a danger to those who believe in their "information."
Could you share with us her email? Iīd be very interested to see what rants about her enemies sound like at the moment.
VB |
| Vincent Bridges
User ID: 152
7/25/2005 9:45 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Vincent, thanks for the feedback. I´m still reading through your site, The Casseopean Cult and digesting it slowly.
V: You should also read through this thread very carefully, as the most up to date information can be found here. The article on CassCult are two years old, at least.
The only reason that I started reading the stuff from the site anyway is because of some of my own experiences--no, I don´t channel Casseopians! But I have had a few experiences of my own, and thought that L and the Cs might be able to validate some of what I´m learning. I was wrong. Though I´m not sure I would discount all of the information--I would proceed with caution--and not read anything more into it than someone trying to con others--which by the way, I did not just take your word for it, I´ve been doing a lot of research on Laura these past few days (hope you don´t mind, I would expect you to believe everything I said either :) ).
V: Nope, of course not... Do your research and make up your own mind... We have all had experiences, and as I said before, that doesnīt mean that we should give our ability to think and perceive away to the first charismatic psychopath who validates our experiences. Keep an open mind, but check everything...
Her own e-mails to me have been so filled with negatives that I was immediately turned off and resumed my own research on her--which I had started to do when I first found her website--but wanted to finish reading through it before I tried to see who was out there refuting her stuff.
V: Reading her stuff, without understanding where it came from, is an exercise in futility.
It seems to me that she is quite paranoid and is seeing enemies behind every corner in France! She told me that someone had found out their address there and posted it on the internet. She says that since that time, they have received more physical threats. Whether this is true or not remains to be seen. If I had made off with a couple of $100,000, I think I would have found a new identity, and hidden away somewhere instead of staying in the public eye.
V: Psychopaths think they are immune, that they can get away with anything... As for the physical threats, just more melodrama...
I guess my question is, if there are all these problems here in the states, why can´t we extracate her from France? I mean what ever happened with the house? Didn´t anyone ever file charges?
V: The answers to these questions can be found by reading through the thread...
VB |
| Eileen
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7/25/2005 9:51 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Vincent, thanks, I will certainly start reading through these threads.
Iīm still running through your site to get a feel for what was going on before (even though itīs older--I get some of the background). A lot of what has been said here was alien (no pun intended) to me, so I wanted to find out what everyone meant--you know like with the house and so on. Everyone seems to be "in the know" and I kind of wanted to know a little more before reading more from this site. |
| Vincent Bridges
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7/25/2005 10:04 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Vincent, thanks, I will certainly start reading through these threads.
I´m still running through your site to get a feel for what was going on before (even though it´s older--I get some of the background). A lot of what has been said here was alien (no pun intended) to me, so I wanted to find out what everyone meant--you know like with the house and so on. Everyone seems to be "in the know" and I kind of wanted to know a little more before reading more from this site.
V: Good idea... I recommend [link to www.cassiopaeacult.com]
"Except now her experiences with me, seen through the lens of COINTELPRO delusion and shaped by the innate racism of Mouravieff, transformed into the Doctrine of the Organic Portals, a pernicious paranoid delusion became a very dark and fear-ridden worldview. However, since I am in no way any kind of an agent for anybody or anything, and certainly not any kind of COINTELPRO agent, then her assumptions based on that view of our interactions is seriously and basically flawed. It appears somewhat obvious that her desire to rationalize her very negative and aggressive behaviour, not just to me, but to almost everyone who has ever crossed her path, led her to formulate a metaphysical theory that would allow her to de-humanize anyone, anytime, as needed. This allows her to justify years of very negative anti-social behaviour, from attempted murder to promiscuity and divorce, to mail order scam, SSI and insurance fraud, and trashing friends and co-workers, as simply fighting off the non-humans. If the offending person is actually a non-human soulless energy-sucking vampire being, then any kind of dirty trick or aggressive tactic is allowed. Any sane person can see how this perspective is very dangerous, yet the people inside the cult seem to think this is somehow all right, and even a valuable insight. These developments have more than proved my basic contention that the Cassiopaeans are a dangerous cult led by a very disturbed individual."
"Please note that Ingrid received her refund, and emailed me her thanks on October 2nd, less than two weeks from her request on September 20th. This is certainly not late October, and more than six weeks since the request. Ingrid did not get back in touch with me, although the credit was plainly shown on her November credit card statement until I publicly called her on it. A month later, in March, she got confirmation from her credit card company and then took another month to actually send me a check. Note also that Ingrid was aware of the terms, refund after conference, and had been influenced by Laura in her decision to charge back on her credit card. Ingrid filed for that credit card refund after I had informed her that the refunds were coming, so we can only suppose that she intended to receive her extra refund. Since it took six months, and public exposure before she made good on her extra $250 windfall, it becomes even more difficult to see how I am the cunning con-artist. And yet, such is the power of the mind control inside the group that even when presented with the facts their deeply held beliefs remain unchanged..."
VB |
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