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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 16877
7/4/2005 6:59 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
I get that bad feeling from the Cassiopeans......I´d say stay away from them...I had a few strange emails corresponding with them...posting me the channelled material, trying to get me to change my statement on some of the things I´ve written, and when i told them where to go, in not so many words, I got the old email with what the so called aliens are planning to do with the human race, through God knows what means to do us in. So in kind words I replied....these guys seem to have a bit of an ego problem that needs sorting out......and I never heard from them since!
Channelled crap my arse!! More like data collectors! Its a Booth trick that isnt it? A few patches of material from here and there, all mixed together to make a plagiarist pie!!
But, most of their material seems to be focused on what TPTB want you to think.....Just read the material with caution....take what u need and leave the rest |
| chandra battershell
User ID: 16874
7/4/2005 7:10 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
I certainly don´t believe in shooting the messenger. But if the ´messenger´ has a history of not speaking the truth, taking money that isn´t theirs, violence and plagarism I certainly think that it would be wise to be very discerning in ones dealing with this ´messenger´. Don´t you?
In a way you seem to be shooting me because I am the messenger and you don´t like my message. |
| Shrink
User ID: 16819
7/4/2005 7:11 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
"If people want to shoot the messenger, that´s fine by me. "
Hey, me too. "To each their own", as they say. Personally, I find that sometimes it actually adds credibility to the person if they´re so despised! Consider that if what is on the site is actually of some use against what you all call The Powers That Be, then the first thing TPTB would do is to attack that person to make sure people didn´t take him or her seriously.
I´m more cautious of books or material that TPTB feel no need to try to discredit!
Actually all this character assassination has made me curious, think I might meander over to that site now ;).
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| Shrink
User ID: 16819
7/4/2005 7:45 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Chandra, I seem to have made it a hobby tonight of correcting your reasoning, so here goes again:
“I certainly don’t believe in shooting the messenger”...*Chandra pulls out gun and begins to fire*... “the messenger has a history of not speaking the truth, taking money that isn´t theirs, violence and plagiarism…” :) Chandra, the last sentence is character assassination, aka shooting the messenger.
If these things were true, why isn’t there an order of arrest out for these people for the scam? Why aren’t they being sued left and right for plagerism? Why aren’t they in jail for violence?
“In a way you seem to be shooting me because I am the messenger and you don´t like my message.”
No one is shooting you, I’m just shooting your logic and reasoning, which is what you should be doing with the site in question instead of personal attacks. Show me some of the material that you don’t agree with and tell me why you don’t agree, documenting all your sources, please.
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| chandra battershell
User ID: 16909
7/4/2005 9:20 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
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What someone does in their life does matter. They way they live their life is important. I certainly wouldn´t buy a used car from a car thief. So I don´t know why you aren´t concerned with Laura´s past. As a psychology student surely you have been taught to consider a patient´s past actions so that you can help them with their future actions. That is why you must know the entire past of a person before you can help them.
As far as Laura´s work I don´t think that she has done anything very original. Its really just a cut and paste job from other people who do real and original work. That is what I have been saying all along. There is no there there. That said, let us take a look at what is probably Laura Knight Jadczyk´s most ´original´ idea. And that is the idea of organic portals. Laura says that there are people on earth who have no souls. This actually is not very original. It is what every racist, dictator, and demagogue have been saying since the beginning of time. Black people have no souls, or they are just three fifths of a human, gay people have no souls, jews have no souls. Pick the person or group that you don´t like, repeat that they have no souls and suddenly it is an easy task to eliminate them, insult them and place them in concentration camps. Everyone has a soul. You couldn´t be here without one. The most decent aspect of Christianity is that it preaches that WE ALL HAVE SOULS and the we all can be redeemed. Even terrorists and people we don´t like. Even Laura Knight Jadczyk has a soul. The organic portal theory is a very dangerous idea and is essentially fascist. So I do have real criticisms of Laura Knight Jadczyk´s work, not just her past. Bt don´t forget the same mind that thinks that there are people who have no souls is the same mind that stole $150,000 in cash in the house raffle, that plagarizes and is probably passing on information to some intelligence agency. the two go together. they cannot be seperated. The messenger is the messege. That is all I am trying to say. |
| AC Invictus
User ID: 3888
7/5/2005 6:53 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
"That said, let us take a look at what is probably Laura Knight Jadczyk´s most ´original´ idea. And that is the idea of organic portals. Laura says that there are people on earth who have no souls."
Hmm... well from what I read this whole "no soul/organic portal" is in my interpretation a little more complicated, even if I didn´t buy that myself. Not that I have a problem with it per se, I just don´t want to go through life wondering who is an organic portal or not. I´ll continue to categorize people as wise or stupid, it´s worked fine so far for me.
The OP theory leads to excessive paranoia, which granted, is an element of the site that I don´t like. I mean, I´m paranoid all right, but I don´t look at my friends/family and wonder if they´re a soulless "agent of the Matrix" :)
Still, as I was about to say, the theory is not so clear cut. According to the old mystical traditions they´ve accepted to some extent, no one really has a "soul" yet, at least 99% of us who are "asleep" don´t. Some people though, through the hard work of initiation, can "grow" one. A soul = freewill, as I interpret it.
I for one was pretty freaked out for a while at the pure mechanical horror of my existence ;) Cause and Effect seems to be the order of the day, and most of the significant choices in my life were not really choices, as much as external events pushing me in one direction or another. I´d like to grow beyond that "mechanical" state of being, hence I have an interest in all this woo-woo stuff.
What she is saying is that some people are happy to be "mechanical", and unwittingly, are therefore "agents of the matrix" that are often introduced into your life to hold you back. This is Gurdieff (sp?) and Ouspensky type stuff. Looking at several relationships I´ve seen, I can´t fault the idea that sometimes one person in it is "holding the person back." Mechanical people (OPs) are those who settle mindlessly on one kind of dogma and never think for themselves.
As for
"Bt don´t forget the same mind that thinks that there are people who have no souls is the same mind that stole $150,000 in cash in the house raffle, that plagarizes and is probably passing on information to some intelligence agency. the two go together. they cannot be seperated. The messenger is the messege. That is all I am trying to say."
Fair enough, but I disagree. You are right of course that any hint of "impropriety" should make one extra careful and discerning, but in my view, I´m always careful and discerning.
Would I recommend someone who is looking for a "guru" and won´t think for him/herself to go to that site? No, I´d send that person to a Church, since at least Xtianity is a *relatively* harmless religion.
However, if I met an open minded and critically analytical person genuine seeking the "truth", I´d send him to the site, just like I´d also recommend GLP. That person won´t find it on either site, of course, but he or she might gather a few more hints and then move on to others things, like I have.
Though leaving GLP is easier said than done :P |
| Shrink
User ID: 16819
7/5/2005 8:14 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Chandra -
When I asked you critique the material and to document your sources, I actually meant to back them up with facts, not Christian belief systems. But OK, with the idea you’ve brought up I guess it would be pretty hard to produce X-rays of a human being with a soul to dispute it. So we’re going to have to tackle the Christian belief system that “everyone has a soul” with the Cassiopaean hypothesis that ‘not every one does’. Just for the exercise, here we go:
You looked at the history of people claiming other don’t have a soul – outlined Nazis versus Jews, White versus Black, heterosexuals versus homosexuals. Yes, it’s not pretty.
But consider also the history of people claiming everyone HAS a soul (Christianity) – Crusades, Inquisition, the so-called Born Again Christians in the White House now who are slaughtering people left and right in the Middle East. Not pretty either. Believing everyone has souls doesn’t seem to be any less dangerous!
I would say that it’s not an idea in itself that’s inherently bad, it’s what people use it for. Christianity can be used to wage crusades OR live ‘decent’ lives. To pick up on what AC Invictus said it seems that the idea of Soullessness (lack of freewill in humanity) can be used to point the finger at people and condemn someone OR it can be used as a tool to ponder things like ‘mechanicalness of one’s life’ or the randomness of our lives until we have souls/freewill.
It’s just an idea. Just like a brick is an idea that can be used to build houses or throw at someone’s head you’re not fond of!
At least that’s how I see it.
As for:
“What someone does in their life does matter. They way they live their life is important...As a psychology student surely you have been taught to consider a patient´s past actions so that you can help them with their future actions.”
Yes, of course. But helping is not exactly what you’re doing, is it? You’re here to judge and condemn them, which is an entirely different reason. All I´ve seen is you throwing around accusations, and taking on the role of judge and jury. Which, given your profession, I’m trying really hard to get to the bottom of why you’re doing, hence my question of your ‘emotional vested interest’. I can’t resist :) Such one sided biases to a story make me curious! :) Why isn´t it enough for you to simply say (as other´s have done) "They´re not my cup of tea."?
But, hey, you’re certainly free to do it. What I’ve been asking for is for you to present some tangible proof. You still haven’t answered my questions about why these people are still at large if they’re guilty of all you say they’re guilty of.
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| Chandra Battershell
User ID: 2801
7/5/2005 2:42 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Shrink
You seem very willing to place a high premium on my motivations and psychological state while, at the same time, completely dismissing Laura Knight Jadczyk´s motivations and psychological state. But this forum is not about me it is about Laura Knight Jadczyk. You asked me to critique her ´work´ and then when I did you tried to change the subject and go back to my motivations. You also are not reading my posts very clearly. I am in no way trying to defend Christianity. I said ´the one decent aspect of Christianity´ - that would imply that there are many aspects of Christianity that I find are not so decent.
As for your question about prosecution. I am so glad you brought that up. Apparently the house that Laura Knight Jadczyk raffled in Florida has been confiscated by the State of Florida for back taxes that Laura never paid. If she made $150,000 on the raffle and never paid the taxes that is a crime. If she never gave the house away to the winner that also is a crime. It is certainly easy to see that if the house has been taken by the state because of Laura´s delinquincy that means that the house raffle was a scam. Lincoln Lawernce is looking into it and he says that because the crime was performed over the internet it is a Federal crime. The FBI is crrently seeking extradition of Laura from France. But that country is notoriously uncooperative in these matters. Witness how long murderer Ira Einhorn stayed in France because they refused to extradite him back to the US. Laura may have studied that case and learned that France was a good place to escape. It is safe to say that if she ever steps foot into the US again she will be immediately arrested. She knows this. Go to her site and see if she ever named the winner of the House Raffle. It is no where to be found.
But getting back to her work I found an interesting article by the great writer John Kaminski called The Shadow people. From what I can see he has looked into Laura Knight jadczyk´s work on organic portals and has reached the same conclusion as I have. Here is an excerpt:
"I was recently reminded of this dangerous classification trend during a small waterfall of hundred dollar bills that filled my mailbox with many unsigned letters (by readers who strive to keep me afloat for a few more months), by one reader who noted that my willingness to consider the possibility that there were people without souls, called by some "organic portals," was really no different from other discriminatory schemes concocted by the world´s worst despots, whether it was — to cite two well known examples — the way Adolf Hitler regarded Jews or Ariel Sharon regards Arabs. (Two peas in a pod, you might say.)
Assigning fundamental differences to various perceived groups was really no different, he asserted. And no less toxic. After all, most of the world´s wars have been waged on the claims of one group being somehow less human than another. And most of these slanderous campaigns have been staged as a cynical excuse to steal something valuable from the supposedly evil group. (As is so obvious today in what we call the Middle East.)
So I had to admit the validity of his point. It´s simply damaging and potentially tragic to arbitrarily classify any group as somehow morally inferior or intrinisically more sinister than another, even though that´s what every religion in the world does to every other group all the time."
It is dangerous to spread an idea arond that there are people with no souls. It isn´t good people that one has to worry about it is people near the edge of insanity who might be pushed over the edge by this idea. They may start believeing that their husband isn´t really a human, or their children, or someone at the job. The consequencses could be disasterous. Many Christians believe that Muslims don´t have souls, the same goes for Muslims and Jews and any other group that wants to maintain its superiority over others.
I am sure that the idea of organic portals would have made Hitler smile from ear to ear. |
| Zeta Jones
User ID: 16269
7/5/2005 3:38 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Forget the Cassiopaeans!
Zetas Rules!
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| Shrink
User ID: 16819
7/5/2005 4:25 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Chandra:”You asked me to critique her ´work´ and then when I did you tried to change the subject and go back to my motivations. “
No, actually the first part of my post was critiquing your critique of her ‘work’. Did you read Invictus’ explanation of what the idea of ‘organic portals’ is actually about? It sounds like he actually read it and it made more sense to me than your interpretation.
So one might say that since your premise (understanding of the idea) is wrong, then your argumentation is flawed and your conclusions erroneous! ;)
If that’s too many big words, translated it means – you misinterpreted the idea we’re discussing, and everything after that is crap.
But back to your critique, just for the fun of it. Your critique, summed up, was that the idea of ‘soulless people’ was a “dangerous idea” with a fascist history. You preferred the idea that we all have a soul. So I pointed out that that historically has an equally fascist history.
Chandra:“You also are not reading my posts very clearly. I am in no way trying to defend Christianity. I said ´the one decent aspect of Christianity´ - that would imply that there are many aspects of Christianity that I find are not so decent.”
Look, it’s really quite simple, I wasn’t saying you defended Christianity as a whole, just that you defended an idea of Christian origin (‘We all have souls’) that has shown itself to have equally dangerous historical repercussions, if misinterpreted.
It’s all about how people USE ideas they are presented with. You seemed have missed that subtle point, so to elaborate: Potentially ALL ideas are dangerous. Since we just passed the fourth of July how about this for a dangerous idea:
“America is the greatest country of the world!” – in your own words, that’s another idea that encourages a (as you say) “group that wants to maintain its superiority over others”. Fanatical patriotism makes (as you said) “Hitler smile from ear to ear” too.
Chandra: “It is dangerous to spread an idea around that there are people with no souls.”
Lets pretend for a minute that there are ´dangerous ideas´, of which I´m not convinced. Then consider: If your beef is with people spreading ‘dangerous ideas’ IN GENERAL then why aren’t you also posting about what a bad idea American patriotism is, and making character assassinations of Bush? And the thousands of other ideas around that have the potential for dangerous use!
What I’ve been trying to get you to admit is that this is a very personal vendetta for you in some manner, clearly you won’t own up to that. And that’s OK, I guess, I won’t press it further.
As for your further details of the scam and so forth, I would have to check those facts myself to believe the further hearsay you’ve written. If I have time, and I start to give a damn about someone-who’s-writing-on-the-internet-‘s personal life, I will.
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| No channels = Cable free
User ID: 10160
7/5/2005 4:52 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
That picture at her own site speaks for itself
she is smoking a cigarillo, with a bottle of cognac and just got gifted with a DVD of Children of the Damned for her birthday photo
the tinsel ´halo´ was just the crowning touch
And you don´t even have to touch the ´weight´ issue there.
She has truths to ´share´ but it comes at a price
ANYONE who ´channels´ is to be given a VERY wide berth and that is equally true of RAMTHA kids.
As they are tools and allow themselves to be a portal for ´other forces´ at work. Some nefarious
Use caution is all I am saying
Most female spiders are large bloodsucking webs
And in league with each other
take note |
| anon
User ID: 5220
7/5/2005 4:58 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
A much better source of info is Blue of Foreverblue at Smartgroups. Over 300 messages that tell our true history - how Lucifer is really the good guy that got reputation smeared by evil " jehovi " aliens trying to be God in the lower dimensions, how most new age groups are disinformation, and how our current war-like Earth is ruled by these same jehovi aliens that have a long history of conquest and mind-fucking on many planets. Says Jesus was born in 7 B.C., and that his mother Mary (of the Herod family !) was raped by a Roman soldier at a young age and hid among the Essences. She gave birth to twins, and that the real Jesus escaped to India while his twin was crucified. Asteroid near-misses, 2012 dimensional shift, Catholic Church a fraud, America heading toward tyranny unless people wake-up, rapture is evil aliens pretending salvation,... much more among 300 messages. |
| chandra battershell
User ID: 14692
7/5/2005 8:36 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Shrink
Let´s try to keep this civil. Okay?
Your post was strange and a bit puerile but I will chalk that up to your youth.
The reason why I don´t write a post that says that America is a horrible country and Bush is a horrible person (watch out - you are starting to sound like Laura Knight Jadczyk!) is because this is a forum discussing Laura Knight Jadczyk and not American foreign policy.
Besides - I like America! |
| Shrink
User ID: 17177
7/6/2005 7:10 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Your profession requires you to understand other people and what they are saying. The frustration you sense in my post was from the fact that everything I say to you gets twisted into some unrecognisable shape. Take this latest misinterpretation of yours, where you suddenly turn around and accuse me of what I can only assume is Anti-Americanism:
“The reason why I don´t write a post that says that America is a horrible country and Bush is a horrible person (watch out - you are starting to sound like Laura Knight Jadczyk!) is because this is a forum discussing Laura Knight Jadczyk and not American foreign policy.”
Yes, and in that context of Jadzcyk you brought up ‘dangerous ideas’. My sentence about America was not to shift focus, it was an *example* of a ‘dangerous idea’.
"Besides - I like America!"
I like America too, although probably not as much as you do, I am European. If you read my post again you’ll note that not once did I suggest that that America as a whole is a “horrible country”, although that’s what you interpreted. What I did suggest is that extreme statements such as “America is the greatest country in the world!”, which we frequently here on clips from the news over here, is an indication of a belief of a group that sees itself as superior to others. Surely you can’t argue with that observation? Surely you can’t deny the dangerous potential of a superpower to have such beliefs and attitudes?
In short, it’s another dangerous idea, much more so than the whole soulless stuff. I was wondering why you weren’t out on a vendetta to eradicate that too, if your mission is to save the world from having Dangerous Ideas.
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| chandra battershell
User ID: 17298
7/6/2005 6:22 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Hey Shrink I didn’t mean to criticize you. You write very good English.
My mission is not to eradicate dangerous ideas. But ideas that result in violence and oppression should be exposed for what they are. Since there is no way to tell if someone is soulless or not, it is extremely likely that a person on the edge of insanity could kill someone and justify it by thinking that they do not have a soul. In order to create a compassionate society it would be far healthier to think that everyone has a soul, that everyone can be forgiven and that everyone can be loved. That is why I think that Organic Portals are a very bad idea. Only a paranoid person or someone who is not loved could come up with a concept like this.
I want everyone to know that I think that Laura Knight Jadczyk needs professional help. That is why I am doing this. Therefore I think it is time to quickly encapsulate the story, or at least what I can gather from her website and others.
In the late 1990’s Laura Knight Jadczyk began channeling aliens from the constellation of Cassiopaea with her friend Fred Ireland. Using an Ouiji board they soon found that the aliens had read the Ra Material and were more or less channeling that material to Laura Knight Jadczyk and Fred Ireland. Most of this was innocuous material like ‘we should love one another’ and things like that. Sometime later Laura met Ark Jadzczyk who claimed to be a physicist from Poland. The two started an Internet love affair that soon became physical. With a grant from George Soros, Ark left his wife and family in Poland and moved in with Laura in Florida who now was divorcing her husband Lewis because he was ‘a robot from another planet’. Ark soon joined the channeling sessions and things began to turn very weird and dark.
Lincoln Lawerence feels that it was sometime in this time period when Laura was implanted.
Now the aliens from Cassiopaea became dark and paranoid and filled with malice. Now they said that there were meta-dimensional beings and they were taking over the world. Love and forgiveness became forgotten concepts as the darkness endured. The idea of Organic Portals emerged from these new channeling sessions. Finally Fred Ireland had had enough of this and he quit. Around this same time, this is now early 2001, Laura Knight Jadczyk came upon Wiedner and Bridges’ research on the unknown Frenchman Fulcanelli and the cross at Hendaye. She wrote a review saying that their book, A Monument to the End of Time, was one of the most important books ever written and she struck up a ‘friendship’ with Vincent bridges. They agreed to do a conference together and Bridges put up the money for the conference. Six weeks before the conference Laura mysteriously took down the review of Weidner and Bridges book and dropped out of the conference leaving Bridges with the bill. This cost Bridges thousands of dollars. He apparently got mad at her and wanted to know what was going on. Laura Knight Jadczyk suddenly began calling him and Weidner and her old channeling partner Fred Ireland ‘psychopaths’. She stopped channeling and began a full time effort to destroy Ireland, Weidner and Bridges. Using cointelpro-like tactics she attempted to drive a wedge between them. She also attempted to destroy their careers and research. It was also at this time that she also began to plagiarize their work
This went on until 2003 when Laura Knight Jadczyk suddenly placed her house in Port Richey, Florida up for a house raffle called The Raffle of the Millennium. According to her website at the time they sold $150,000 worth of tickets and promised to have the house raffle drawing soon. But suddenly, without warning, Ark and Laura moved to France. No name was ever released concerning who had won the House in the raffle and many, many people who had purchased tickets became very upset. The State of Florida began the process of confiscating the house for back taxes and MASTER CARD began looking for where Laura and Ark had disappeared because they also had accrued over $100,000 in debts on their credit cards. Once they had escaped this mess by going to France, Laura renewed her attacks once more on Weidner and Bridges.
Also now Laura Knight Jadczyk changed her story and said that she was not channeling aliens from cassiopaea but was actually receiving messages from herself in the future (logic and reasoning have no place in Laura Knight Jadczyk’s cosmogony). Probably the Ra Material that she had been plagiarizing was not scholarly enough for her new European friends so she began to plagiarize Weidner and Bridges work on Fulcanelli and Hendaye in a more serious way. This all came to head in January 2005 when she finished her book on Fulcanelli using all of Weidner and Bridges research without giving them any credit.
Carl Jung once said that psychopaths believe that they are invisible. Laura Knight Jadczyk also thinks that no one can see what she is doing. But time and history have a way of sorting things out. All of the material written here can easily be found on her site and others. She thinks she is invisible so she thinks that you won’t be able to make the connections necessary to find the truth. She thinks that she can, at once, praise Weidner and Bridges research, then trash Weidner and Bridges and then plagiarize them without anyone noticing. She thinks that she can steal $150,000 of money from real people (not organic portals) and get away with it. She thinks that anyone who criticizes her is a soulless organic portal and should be done away with.
But people do notice. People are smarter than she thinks they are.
Laura Knight Jadczyk also doesn’t realize that everything one says is a reflection of their inner most thoughts. So she writes on and on without realizing that a good psychologist can see through the veneer and realize what is really happening inside her head.
There are two things that I wish to accomplish here. One, is to warn everyone to stay away from her and, two, to try and get her to seek out professional help. I hope that she, and/or her loved ones will seek out professional psychological help for her disorders.
The weight issues, the chain-smoking, the heavy drinking are all symptoms of a larger disorder. When I saw that picture of her at her birthday party my heart broke. It was obvious to me from viewing that picture that the larger psychological disorder threatens her life if she doesn’t do something about it quickly. |
| Shrink
User ID: 17177
7/6/2005 7:08 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
"Hey Shrink I didn’t mean to criticize you."
Hi Chandra, that’s OK, you criticized me, I criticized you. That seems to be the name of the game here on Godlike :)
"You write very good English."
So do you.
As for the rest, I can’t quite reconcile the concern you lay claim to in this post with the previous postings of yours. But hey, if you maintain now that it’s out of ‘concern’ and not a strange general malice which seemed to be the flavor of your previous posts, then we’ll just leave it there.
I guess I also forgot for a moment that America is the homeland of excessive therapy! We Europeans don’t believe everyone who doesn’t think *exactly* like everyone else needs psychological treatment. Different views on matters are encouraged, discussed and evaluated on their own merits. Not much is off-limits to questioning here, and thought-police are few and far between. But that’s just culture difference I guess.
Best of luck,
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| chandra battershell
User ID: 17312
7/6/2005 7:14 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
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It was when I finally looked at that picture of Laura at her birthday party that my heart went out to her. She looked so lonely and lost. |
| anon
User ID: 17345
7/6/2005 10:06 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
i was a member of the cass group for years, knew laura v well via email
she is not the person she purports to be
yes - the house was a scam
when she went to france and invaded a farmer´s property she libelled him repeatedly on her web site - he kicked her and her cult off the place and sued her
vincent would have sued her too, and jay, but they bailed, remember, to france
and are living high on the hog in a chateau, with no apparent form of income
must be suckers supporting them with donations
what else???
anyone who voices the slightest form of dissent against laura is usually booted, no matter how long you may have been with the group
how STO is that?
they have no compassion
yes the Organic Portal BS is facism, and smacks of eugenics - and yes laura divides the 6m of planet blue into OPs and non-Ops
how STO is that?
she does not walk the talk
you shall know them by their deeds etc etc
chandra has her spot on
plenty more to say if interested
i know several ex-members who sat at ouji board sessions and they transcribed the tapes
and lo and behold weeks or months later, at a time when the transcripts were freely available, what was published on the net was radically different to what happened at the sessions
in other words vincent bridges and others were right - laura was cheating with the transcripts, distorting them, making things up
it gets much worse |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 992
7/6/2005 11:16 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
What got my attention was Laura claiming that the Cassiopaeons were her in the future.
Everytime she channelled, it was a differently
entity. Were they all different sides of her personality? |
| StarrDust
User ID: 17384
7/7/2005 12:44 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Does anyone else remember how Laura trashed Elaine, the original owner of this very site? Laura did quite a number on Elaine, but it turns now that some of it was true. But I don´t judge Elaine on a few things said about her by Laura.
I follow Laura´s site but I use disernment. I don´t believe everything she writes, and I do think Laura plagirizes.
As a seeker, I have learned to take what I can use and leave the rest. |
| AC Invictus
User ID: 3888
7/7/2005 4:30 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Well this has turned into an interesting thread. I was actually actively reading the board at the time of the "VB/JW" conflict and even some of the email exchanges they posted. I found that I actually thought VB/JW had the "moral/mature" high ground since Laura and Ark seemed unwilling to accept a relatively amicable compromise.
I guess that was an effect of the "don´t compromise with STS/OPs" argument.
I still think though, Chandra, that it´s "personal" to some extent with you. Now maybe as you say you just want to help her after seeing her picture, but really, I mean I could show you a sad picture of Nancy Lieder probably... in my opinion her theories are pretty "dangerous" too, because they give time & dates that gullible people might believe.
After all, she killed her own dog right before the supposed pole shift in 2003 so it wouldn´t have to suffer the stress! That made me feel really concerned, because who knows how many other people followed their "leaders" example? We humans don´t keep statistics on animal murders though, so it´s hard to say what the real impact was. As far as I know, though, Laura hasn´t killed any of her household pets because they were "soulless pets working for the matrix." The second she does, I´ll accept your POV and stop reading everything she writes from that point on :P
Anyways, it´s quite clear that you (or someone you know very well) was deeply involved with the cass people. That doesn´t of course invalidate your viewpoint, but I can only wonder if you - like me - had stayed at "arm´s length" from the personality issues that come with knowing them personally or corresponding with them - and just taken a good look at the site, if you wouldn´t have felt differently.
I´m sure one can accuse them of plagiarism or whatever, and if you´re a published author of any kind you probably really hate that kind of thing ;) As I see it though, if your goal is to spread knowledge for its own sake, then ego issues of "ownership" and "credit" have to take second place.
I see your point, and the point of others who are anti-cassiopaea, I really do, and I´m open to the possibility that the site is an "op" of some kind (pun intended). But the reason I´ll continue to stick up for it is that I came across it at "the end" of my internet research phase.
I started looking at the oh-so-happy-and-positive spiritweb.org back in ´97 when I was fresh out of highschool, then moved on to other New Age sites, then alien conspiracies, then David Icke, then I took an interest in historical/political/economic conspiracies. And THEN I found cassiopaea, who at least made an *attempt* to "connect all the dots". The vast amount of info on the site also taught me a thing or ten that I didn´t know, purely factual things they used to support their arguments, not just theoretical.
Then I used to those facts and weaved them into my own "tapestry of world view" and put their theories into my "things to consider" mental box.
My point is of course, that Cassiopaea is for the "advanced students"; those who are already sceptical and can "think with a hammer", to use an alchemical term, taking things apart and finding a gem or two.
Now you and I can agree, that if it came to distributing Bibles or copies of Cass.org to high school students around the world, I´d actually (though I´m anti-Xtian) go with the Bible idea. Cassiopaea is not for everyone, it´s certainly not for the naive or gullible.
I have no idea what would have happened had I come across that site "first", instead of going through all the others. I´m glad I didn´t though, and that´s the whole point of the "quest", it seems to be guided at some level.
Personally I´d be happier if ALL sites of this nature put a big "This is our THEORY, think CRITICALLY and take what YOU feel is true only" sticker on every page. They do seem to think that they have a "truth" of some kind, and I disagree with their "mission" to spread this as far as possible.
If I ever had to expound on my vast and far-sighted wisdom, I´d definitely do so in fiction form, lol. I recognize that I don´t have the truth, and I wouldn´t presume to label any of my ideas as such.
I´d prefer to let people who were meant to come there, go there, and let the rest go wherever they are meant to go. In the end though, I have learned a lot from the site, and since I never donated any money, the least I can do is stick up for them here at GLP. I think I owe them that much, at least :P |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 13810
7/7/2005 5:13 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
I´d prefer to let people who were meant to come there, go there, and let the rest go wherever they are meant to go. In the end though, I have learned a lot from the site, and since I never donated any money, the least I can do is stick up for them here at GLP. I think I owe them that much, at least :P
WHY STICK UP FOR THEM WHEN I AM TELLING YOU FOR A FACT THAT LAURA oops caps lock, sorry, sent out tapes to be transcribed to friends of mine
these same friends did the typing and sent them back to laura
weeks later the published transcripts bore NO RELATION to what went on at the ouij board session?
once i found that had happened on at least 2 verifiable occasions I lost all respect for laura - because she sure as hell was not sticking to the spellings and words that the alleged discarnate entities were spelling out for here
do you see that if she does this once then it invalidates the whole experiment?
later, to cover herself after i and others posted these gross irregularities on the net, she said that she was now communicating with the Cs via her mind and via a form of automatic writing at the keyborad
whilst that is just as valid as ouija board communication, it is hardly truthful to her followers, is it?
just how long has she been massaging and editing the transcripts?
vb and jw say for many years
it is my opinion that the early Cs, when freddie was there, and most likely the tuning fork if you will, not laura - those early sessions have much of value
certainly there were too many ppl at the sessions to allow much skullduggery
later, when cold war spook ark arrived, the sessions just comprised laura and ark at the table
try doing a ouija session with just 2 ppl on the planchette, it doesn´t really fly does it?
yet the impression laura gave in latter years was that there were always several touching the planchette
wrong!
laura claims to have read 10k esoteric books - whilst her wave series is extremely interesting, one can find pretty much the same things being said by a variety of other authors, cayce, ra, law of one, marciniak and etc etc
laura is a v clever and able to put things together - she says it is her strength
a failing is she needs an editor - almost everything she writes is beaten to death with repetition after repetition... she is NOT the person she purports to be, and neither is ark
i still have an open mind about the whole experince
suffice it to say it is left me so far with a VERY bad taste in my mouth, and that is almost 5 yrs after being booted for asking awkward (valid) questions |
| AC Invictus
User ID: 3888
7/7/2005 5:25 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Well, why stand up for her if the transcripts are a lie? Simple. *I* found the transcripts to be the LEAST interesting part of the site, in many ways. Well, they were interesting, but I didn´t take any of what they said as "truth".
If anyone else did, that´s their problem, and then I can see how they might think the site is entirely invalidated... if they were the type of people to believe 100% in Ouijja board messages in the first place, that is... Present company excluded, of course, I understand that it´s also personal for you to some extent.
Hell, even I have personal issues with some people. The Cass group are just not among them ;)
What I found interesting was the whole "grail quest" angle that I hadn´t heard explained in such an in-depth manner, and the historical/mythological evidence they used to back it up. Channeled entities are a dime a dozen... real alternative/underground facts that you can apply in real life are much more rare. |
| chandra battershell
User ID: 7314
7/7/2005 9:15 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Invictus
Your posts are very disconcerting. Do you remember the Menendez brothers who shot their parents in the head? The first jury found them not guilty even though the two brothers had admitted that they killed their parents for their money. When the jurors were asked why they found them ´not guilty´ they replied,
"But they seemed like such nice boys!"
You remind me of those jurors.
Laura Knnight Jadczyk probably didn´t even write the things that you find so profound. Yet that doesn´t faze you at all. She plagiarized many writers and yet you aren´t fazed by that either.
I have a bridge in London for sale.
Interested? |
| AC Invictus
User ID: 3888
7/7/2005 9:36 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Disconcerting? Now come now, Chandra, we´re simply talking right past each other. You are discussing Laura, and I am discussing the information on the site. I am capable of separating the two, because I have a critical and discerning nature.
For example (no offense intended) if I were unable to separate the two, I´d consider your apparent inability to understand the point that I keep repeating over and over again as evidence that everything else you say is false. I mean, if you can´t understand what I´m saying, can you really understand what Laura or anyone else is saying?
However, that is not the case. I am all too capable of judging your information on its own merits and some of it I actually agree with. It´s your main *opinion* that I disagree with :P
Do you run background checks on every single owner of every single web site you visit, or on the author of every book that you read? Of course not, it would be a waste of time.
For the 5th or 6th time though, that doesn´t change the fact that there are some very interesting *information* on the site, when read with a critical mind. If you don´t have that kind of mind, and if you think others do not either, then of course you are right - the messenger is the message. It´s the simplest way of looking at things, after all, and it might save you from believing some ideas that could be dangerous. |
| Shrink
User ID: 11897
7/7/2005 9:45 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
LOL! Invictus,
Here, found something :
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Straw Man Argument
The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person´s actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position.
This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because attacking a distorted version of a position simply does not constitute an attack on the position itself. One might as well expect an attack on a poor drawing of a person to hurt the person.
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This forum is kind of fun, if only to observe wierd debate techniques! :)
Shrink |
| AC Invictus
User ID: 3888
7/7/2005 9:51 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Yes Shrink, I´m very familiar with the straw man argument, lol. Incidentally, it´s considered kind of a crude debate tactic, and is usually not worth using in a "real" debate. It can be hard to counter though, especially on a message board where it´s sometimes difficult to "force" the issue.
Chandra is a pretty skilled at debate though, all round. If her position was more defensible and not based on personal opinions that call for a "none of us are wise enough to be exposed to dangerous ideas, hence we should shoot the messenger" world-view she might actually have been able to win the argument. |
| chandra battershell
User ID: 17455
7/7/2005 1:09 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Invictus and Shrink insist on making me the subject of the debate instead of Laura Knight Jadczyk. They both either completely ignore what I am saying or they say that what I am saying is false, or just my opinion.
They are so busy playing both sides of the street that they don´t realize the internal contradictions in what they are saying.
Neither has shown any interest at all in discovering if what I am saying has any truth to it.
They both ignore all other posts, pix and anything else that is presented that contradicts their weak attempts to defend Laura Knight Jadczyk. In a way they are are Laura Knight Jadczyk´s worse nightmare because of their poorly stated and held positions.
Neither has condemned Laura´s obvious criminal background, read any of the sites that I have offered that prove that she has a criminal background, nor do they care in the least that she has very obviously committed plagiarism.
Over and over they both try to change the subject of this forum to my motivations, or to American foreign policy or to anything that will get the focus off of Laura Knight Jadczyk and her very suspicious behavior.
Shrink even goes so far as to say that all of this is just ´hearsay´.
So let´s find out if it is hearsay. This is one of the great aspect of a forum like this and the internet. Why don´t we go straight to Laura Knight Jadczyk and just ask her!
I ask everyone who is reading this forum to write to Laura Knight Jadczyk and ask her a few simple questions.
1) What is the name of the person who won the House Raffle? Please list a contact address or phone number.
2) Why hasn´t that person laid claim to your house?
3) Why did you praise Weidner and Bridges work on Fulcanelli, then trash them by calling them psychopaths and then plagiarize their work?
4) Why did yourself in the future lie to yourself in the past and say that you were an alien from cassiopaea when you were really just yourself in the future?
5) How do you reconcile the fact that you channelled aliens from cassiopaea with Fred Ireland, but later discovered that he also was a psychopath.
6) If you are not really channelling aliens from Cassiopaea but are actually channelling yourself in the future, how come you yourself in the future didn´t warn you yourself in the past that your channelling partner, Fred Ireland, was a psychopath?
7) Why didn´t you yourself in the future warn you that Bridges was a psychopath?
8) Why did you change the transcripts of the cassiopaean sessions?
9) Do you really believe that your former husband is a robot?
As of yesterday she was answering emails at the following address so I know it still works.
Her personal email address is at:
lark@cassiopaea.org
Please post her replies on this forum.
I encourage everyone to participate. |
| AC Invictus
User ID: 3888
7/7/2005 1:46 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
LOL, Chandra, it´s not very creative to accuse me of the very things I just accused you of - ie, not listening. I´ve been "on topic" throughout this entire thread, saying one thing and one thing only: The information, whoever said it first, whoever it was plagiarized from, on the site is very interesting.
You are the one trying to make it seem that I´m defending the character of Laura (I haven´t)- Nor have I once tried to defend the channeling aspect of the site. Neither, I believe did Shrink. I think all channeling is suspect. I don´t care what her personal character flaws are.
When you say I should, then what you are really saying is that if someone hands you a book of any kind, and that person turns out to have been a criminal on the run... then you have to throw out the book because it was given to you by a person of dubious moral character. That´s not a rational approach :)
That *is* what you are saying, isn´t it? The site is like a book, and if you filter out the channeling aspect, the information on it has come from hundreds of other people. She weaves all this information together in an interesting way. I can understand why Vincent Bridges or Weidner would take offense if she stole their work and claimed it as her own. What I can´t understand is why you seem to be so obsessed with it.
Chandra, try to understand. You say:
"Over and over they both try to change the subject of this forum to my motivations, or to American foreign policy or to anything that will get the focus off of Laura Knight Jadczyk and her very suspicious behavior."
That´s j-u-s-t n-o-t t-r-u-e. I tried to spell it out for you, so you would read it carefully and understand ;) I am not interested in talking about her character. You are. THAT is why I question your motivations.
Don´t you see? Your motivations must be suspect, unless you really think that information - that you admit is stolen from other people anyways - somehow is invalid because Laura (and her dubious character) is the presenter. That´s not rational.
If it´ll speed our mutual understanding along, then I´ll for the sake of expediency concede that Laura is a psychopathic intellectual cleptomaniac monster with voices in her head that call themselves the Cassiopaeans. I can concede that, because it changes nothing, even if it is true.
Now you have to explain why I, and everyone else, should dismiss all the theories (stolen from other people, they didn´t come from her insane mind) that Laura has undeniably put a lot of time and effort into gathering on a single site.
The *site* is very interesting. There is a flow to it that weaves hundreds of threads together, and it can make people think. I will recommend it to people with critical minds, because there are real gems of theories to be found among the hundreds of pages, just like on GLP. Does it matter to you who runs GLP? Who cares if (only for the sake of argument, please don´t ban me Trin) he was a raving lunatic? Would that invalidate all the other information on here that other people have contributed?
Of course it wouldn´t. Now dear Chandra, please try to explain why that should be the case at Cassiopaea. Refute my real argument and stop beating the strawman. I´m over here :) |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 883
7/7/2005 1:54 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Why don´t you discuss this on the cassiopaea open forum, i am sure Laura would like to defend herself.
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