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| OPie
User ID: 13051
7/25/2005 11:11 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
And yet, such is the power of the mind control inside the group that even when presented with the facts their deeply held beliefs remain unchanged..."
But not necessarily forever, Vincent. Many of us saw through her -- some earlier, some later. And some acted on those insights sooner rather than later; some of us held on much too long. I suppose the length of time you stay connected to the group, especially after you start to semi-acknowledge all those red flags (yet try really, really hard to ignore them), is directly proportional to the amount of yourself you have invested in it -- or the amount you think you do. (Can´t imagine how the SOTT guys could ever break free). But sooner or later, most do come around. The year that I left, there must have been 20-30 people leave (and I´m talking active people here; I wouldn´t have known about the others). But new people come in and take our places.
Nonetheless, there surely must be a large mass of ex-Cass people building up around the world at this point.
And another thing, Vincent. Those deeply held beliefs -- I can only speak for myself, but I don´t think they were ever deeply held beliefs. The doubt was always there -- literally, from the first time I read the website. What kept me in there was a sense of belonging -- something I´d never felt to that extent elsewhere. I´m making myself sound like a complete inept, as though I´m someone you´d notice on the street as odd. But that´s not it. I get along quite well in society, I´ve held high-level jobs (never cared for them, however), was very popular in school and elsewhere -- but I never felt like I fit in with any group. Actually, I took great pride (maybe part of the problem) in not fitting in with any group, yet a part of me needed to belong somewhere, at least to the extent that someone else on earth would understand me. And this is what I gained at Cass. A group of people who also had never fit in anywhere, because no matter where they stood in society, it wasn´t where they felt at home. It´s a group that runs the gamut from not graduating from high school to having multi-doctorates, to living on the edge financially to being rather wealthy, from being rabid environmentalists (well, never mind; we couldn´t talk about that). The only thing the group had in common was a higher than average intelligence and a need to belong somewhere and feel not like we were standing out in the middle of a room all alone with people staring at us and pointing.
I´m probably overstating; obviously it´s very subjective. But I´ve had a number of years now to try and figure out not so much what drew me in but what kept me there against my better judgement. It´s kind of scary, actually. I was around 50 years old when I was drawn in and hadn´t been drawn in to any other "movement" before; that´s how strong this is.
Sorry if I´m meandering; I´m still trying to figure out how all this happened and what the dynamics are. At least I´ve stopped hitting myself over the head about it; okay, I´m not hitting myself quite so hard anymore though the hitting still occurs.
Eileen, by the way, DON´T put your email address out over glp. Especially not over glp. Never over glp. It´s peopled by trolls. Hopefully most of them are pretending to be trolls, but there are a few, such as our beloved Cunterboy, who would happily spam your email until you couldn´t stand to look at it anymore. |
| Opie
User ID: 13051
7/25/2005 11:14 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
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| Vincent Bridges
User ID: 152
7/25/2005 11:17 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Laura gets the Cs to help with the Susan Smith case...
10/28/94
Q: (L) There were two little boys stolen from their mother in
South Carolina, we would like to know if we can obtain any
information regarding this matter?
A: House in Union South Carolina in closet.
Q: (L) Can you give us any details about the house and how it
could be found?
A: On street with lots of other houses white clapboard.
Q: (L) Any other details? Name of street?
A: Oak in name.
Q: (L) How close is this to where their parents are?
A: Close.
Q: (L) Where is the vehicle?
A: In woods West.
Q: (L) Are the little boys alright?
A: Will be found soon for comparison to ultimate results.
11/24/94
Q: (L) Are you aware of the letter I got today from Karla
Turner?
A: We are Cassiopaean.
Q: (L) Does that mean that you are aware?
A: We are aware of your entire life aura.
Q: (L) What caused her to react to the channelled information
the way she did. Obviously something upset her, what was
it?
A: Miffed by personal references; suspicious of motives send
her this session verbatim.
Q: (L) Well, okay, what would you say to her... obviously she
thinks you, as a source, were caught in a lie and that put
her off, what can you say in response to that accusation,
I guess you would call it?
A: There are no lies.
Q: (L) Well, obviously that is something that can be said,
but she thinks that since you did not come right out and
describe everything in precise detail about those two
little boys in South Carolina, that what little you did
say, she interpreted as a lie. What else is going on here
that...
A: There are no lies only interpretations.
V: So there you have it... To the Cs, there are no lies, just interpretations... So, it was just an interpretations that the boys were actually dead when the Cs said they were aIive... This is something that can be proven, and they got it wrong, why should anyone believe anything else they said?
VB |
| OPie
User ID: 13051
7/25/2005 11:35 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
There´s so much information out there, I just wonder who´s right, and what the real story is.
Eileen, I can´t see how we can possibly know what the truth is until we´re on the other side -- and maybe not even then. On the positive side, fighting against one version vs. another and trying to decipher which one is right is what makes us grow. In other words, I think the path is everything. It´s working to try and figure out what´s right or true that actually makes us grow; not the truth itself. For all I know, we may die and, if we did well, turn into gardenias (love the smell of those things); that could be the upper-end of evolution. The only thing I know for sure is I don´t know anything.
Oh, and I know another thing -- the fact that some spirits are discarnate does not make them smart. Or higher on the evolutionary ladder. It just makes them vocal (which, I suspect, most who are actually higher on the ladder aren´t, simply because they´re on to better, more refined things). |
| OPie
User ID: 13051
7/25/2005 11:52 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
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| Eileen
User ID: 4454
7/26/2005 12:29 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Opie, I must agree, just b/c there are spirits out there doesn´t mean they have the answers.
On another note, are there any of the original C group left who are actually siding with L? What ever happened to Terry and Jan? Does anyone know. Has there ever been anything from them one way or the other?
Eileen |
| Eileen
User ID: 4454
7/26/2005 12:34 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
"by the way, DON´T put your email address out over glp. Especially not over glp. Never over glp. It´s peopled by trolls. Hopefully most of them are pretending to be trolls, but there are a few, such as our beloved Cunterboy, who would happily spam your email until you couldn´t stand to look at it anymore."
Thanks Opie, but we´re talking AOL here, and I´ve got all the controls on. If he/she spams them--he/she is in for trouble.
Besides, I´m not afraid of trolls. As a matter of fact, I could probably send him much worse! :) but I wouldn´t. don´t believe it in, never would. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 6352
7/26/2005 12:43 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
> We all have access to the information, the
> real goods so to speak, through our innate
> connection to the Buddha Field, or the Force
> if you like Star Wars metaphors.
LOL! With you there brother, heart and soul.
> Almost anyone can learn to be a medium or a
> channeller, it is almost like a virus in the
> way that it spreads by contact, but without
> much training in astral discernment and the
> right use of such abilities, the medium ends
> up possessed and a danger to those who believe
> in their "information."
Mass possession is already occuring, especially for people who use teachings which involve higher faculties which shouldn´t be played with. Or did we think ´occult knowledge´, which was suddenly opened in the close of the nineteenth century, was given out for our own good? ;-)
We shouldn´t think nearly as much in terms of ´abduction´ or re-colonization, as simply, inhabitation.
The world´s about to get [even more?] interesting. Who´s to say how many other would-be messiahs and bringers of ´starry wisdom´ we will entertain before it´s all through!
it´s all under control
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| Eileen
User ID: 4454
7/26/2005 1:08 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
"I think the path is everything. It´s working to try and figure out what´s right or true that actually makes us grow; not the truth itself. For all I know, we may die and, if we did well, turn into gardenias (love the smell of those things); that could be the upper-end of evolution. The only thing I know for sure is I don´t know anything."
Opie, yes, it´s called Karma. If there is any truth at all to L´s rantings and ravings that I do believe, is that life is a lesson, or a series of many, and if we fail to grasp each lesson along the way, then we must learn it in the next life.
I think you are right, that we must try to figure out what is right for us, and follow that path. The important thing here is not to force that path on others. If they are interested in our paths, and ask, then we should share it gladly without shame or remorse. If we can´t do that, then we aren´t too sure about it ourselves, and have no right sharing anything.
I don´t know about any of you, but I´m pretty sure I´m tired of these lessons, and am done with learning anymore... and if there is a 4th density--I´m ready for it and tired of all the BS of this density.
Just the fact that we have to discern true info from false makes me sad.
Is disinformation being thrust upon us from 4th density STSs? I very much doubt it. There are enough 3rd density STSs out there who don´t need to be programmed to stear the masses in the wrong direction! I´m tired of it, and if this life has taught me anything, it has taught me that I´m allowed to be so, and can actually choose my own path--something I find not only in line with L´s free will idea, but very much in line with all teachings. Does that mean I agree with everything else on L´s website? Heck no!!! But there are a few things that ring true, whether from her own volition or through Fred, I don´t know.
Am I suicidal? No, not in the least. I just know that this life will not last that long (not in terms of time as we know it) and I am ready to move on, to graduate--if you will, to something better. Do I love this Earth, nature, and the beauty that surrounds me each day?--oh yes, very much. But I also know that I can have this and much more, just not in this life/density/time--take your pick.
I grow more weary each day with the news, with the backbiting and the conspiracy theories. What´s even worse, with the truth--(at least the truth we see).
I don´t know about the rest of you, but I DON´T WANT TO COME BACK--not here, not to all this.
And, Opie, if I had to come back, yes, I think a flower would be nice--a short life, being appreciated for you beauty and your essence would be a great thing. How many of us could, in the next life boast being appreciated so? A rose, by any other name, still smells as sweet.
And with this, I say goodnight to each of you. May the "force be with you." HAW! Just a pun--Vincent! |
| Eileen
User ID: 4454
7/26/2005 1:22 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Anon Coward, you said,
"Mass possession is already occuring, especially for people who use teachings which involve higher faculties which shouldn´t be played with."
E: I have to wonder what you mean by this? I don´t believe in mass possession, but I do believe in a higher order--AND NO, I´M NOT A CHRISTIAN!.
"The world´s about to get [even more?] interesting. Who´s to say how many other would-be messiahs and bringers of ´starry wisdom´ we will entertain before it´s all through!"
E: I must agree, things are going to get interesting. (How could they not?) More so than most of us can imagine. I´m not sure that we will have much of a chance to meet, much less see many new "messiahs" but heck, there are still a lot of old ones out there that man of us (yours truly included) are just now discovering. I haven´t yet reached the "end" of the Internet, have you? I only came accross the C website a week ago, have read through it in its entirety, and have followed my instincts to check it out. How old is this material? At least 6 years old? Makes you wonder how many other "messiahs" are out there. Makes you wonder how many people actually don´t question and research the crap that they read or hear--but follow it! Scary thought, huh?
These same people may be instrumental in whatever happens ´next´. This may be the scariest thing I´ve said so far. There are so many out there who believe everything they read or hear, and follow up on it. What if one of them has the power to push a button--the button? SCARY, huh? |
| infinitea
User ID: 13727
7/26/2005 3:06 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
I don´t know about the rest of you, but I DON´T WANT TO COME BACK--not here, not to all this.
This has been a subject of discussion at another of my forums. Lots of people asserting that they are finished with this lousy world, etc. Today, someone posted the below comments on that point of view.
"Fragment" = person, "False Personality" = ego, "Essence" = soul.
When a fragment says that they will choose to not return or that they will
take a long vacation, this is False Personality talking. The conscious
fragment has zero input to such decisions. The decisions are completely
under the purview of Essence, and it makes no sense to think that anyone
making such a statement is, at the time, in touch with Essence.
The concept of making statements about matters over which a fragment has
zero control is a bit nonsensical. It is similar to King Canute
ordering the tide to not come in.
Do not forget that a difficult life is, in Essence´s view, a very good
life, since it provided so many excellent lessons, even if Personality
does not realize what they were, or even that there were any lessons at
all. Essence does not care greatly about the situations that the
fragment has experienced, it only cares how the fragment learned to deal
with those situations. True, if the fragment did not deal well with
some of them, the lessons will come around again in a later life, but,
to Essence, it is irrelevant. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 17046
7/26/2005 4:42 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 9558
7/26/2005 5:03 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 3933
7/26/2005 9:50 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 3933
7/26/2005 11:49 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
"In approximately 4 e-mails, LKJ has consistently ranted negatively about all of those who are "out to get her."
common w/ the C group. most think they are "targets" from neighbors etc. megalomania, fear and paranoia. So "special" that "all is out to get them". Shame to live a life in fear.
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| Infinitea
User ID: 14577
7/26/2005 12:46 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
"In approximately 4 e-mails, LKJ has consistently ranted negatively about all of those who are "out to get her."
common w/ the C group. most think they are "targets" from neighbors etc. megalomania, fear and paranoia. So "special" that "all is out to get them". Shame to live a life in fear.
Perhaps her attitudes are contagious? As I posted previously:
"To associate and share in spiritual work with those who are "crooked" or unbalanced is to foster these same qualities in yourself and kill any Light you have gained up ´til now. When we engage in spiritual practices with others we are permeated with the impressions of the people we are together with, and this includes any warped motives or ideals. This is true in any kind of relationship, but especially true in Ritual and other Esoteric practice." |
| Eileen
User ID: 4454
7/26/2005 1:08 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
infinitea,
Nice theory, but that is what it is, just a theory. There is no way any of us can truly know what is coming, and how any of us will be able or not able to deal with it.
I´d like to think that as part of the ´equasion´, the conscious (me) still has some say so in the matter. Maybe not complete control, but at least some say.
Thanks for sharing |
| Eileen
User ID: 4454
7/26/2005 1:13 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
"To associate and share in spiritual work with those who are "crooked" or unbalanced is to foster these same qualities in yourself and kill any Light you have gained up ´til now. When we engage in spiritual practices with others we are permeated with the impressions of the people we are together with, and this includes any warped motives or ideals. This is true in any kind of relationship, but especially true in Ritual and other Esoteric practice."
This may be true for someone who has absolutely no clue and follows them around like a puppy dog. I´m sure there are some pretty smart people who have been conned by LJK´s group, who wised up and got out. Do these people loose their ticket to the next round? All those years of reincarnation and lessons are considered null and void?
No, I think you are right that we may loose something of ourselves when we associate with people like this, but I also think we can add it to our store of life lessons/experiences. I think helping others not to follow down the same path helps us to gain a little of that something we lost back. |
| Eileen
User ID: 4454
7/26/2005 1:22 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Okay, so I´ve pretty much got the lowdown on the Cs and the LKJ group. The information may be valuable if you read between the lines and allow for some bleedtrhough of the prejudices and emotions of the group. ´But, don´t get suckered in."
So, what about the ´Ra material" that L refers to so often? Yes, I know that Elkin committed suicide for reasons we may never know.
Just wondering if anyone else has read this at all. |
| I C the Light
User ID: 503
7/26/2005 1:53 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Eileen, regarding Ra Material:
Check out www.llresearch.org for the full story in the words of those that did the work all those years ago, and continue to do so now. I found it educational regarding the channelling process, and how mixed contacts occur. ie a mixture of STO and STS entities coming through the channel. This is what I think happened with Laura from the start, then she made up the rest and is now just winging it till the fat lady sings.
Laura doesn´t reference Ra much except to say the Ra material was a "primer" for the C stuff. Which implies that the Cs take us a step further.
After experience within the experiment, I would not recommend her work to anyone. Too fear based and too centred on Laura. But she is not alone in falling pray to her own insecurities and ego. I found the expereince to be a great learning curve in discernment, so I thank them very much for the knowledge.
The fact that this is the longest thread I have ever read on the net indicates just how wide the net has been cast. I am very happy to read this thread, as it will help many trying to make sense of how STS forces operate. I empathise with those hurt by the deception because I am one of those people. But the degree of hurt is comensurate with the degree of growth gained from such knowledge, so no harm done in the long haul.
Wishing peace to all. Thanks for sharing.
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| OPie
User ID: 8218
7/26/2005 2:01 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Eileen, the problem I see with any channeling is that you can´t possibly know who you´re contacting.
Here’s a review of the book I brought up several days ago, “The Siren Call of Hungry Ghosts”. This is from a Christian website, but I find nothing to disagree with in the review. The end of the review refers to the suicide of the author (Joe Fisher). What it doesn’t talk about are the horrible physical attacks that Fisher was subject to after he started revealing the entities as liars and manipulators. Horrible attacks that were simply not from humans. Many of his friends and acquaintances do not believe it was suicide at all, but that he was pushed or pulled from the top of a multi-storied building by the very entities he was trying to expose. We can’t know, of course.
In this book the reader follows British born author and journalist, Joe Fisher, as he investigates the whole phenomena of spiritualism, channelling, and mediumship. It should be noted at the outset that Fisher is not a Christian, and I only mention that here, as it is interesting to see how his final conclusions make more sense in a Christian world view.
During the course of his five year research, Fisher was lead to becoming a regular attender with a gathering of people interested in paranormal phenomena. It was here that he was introduced to a number of spirit entities, including his own spirit guide, a spirit that claimed to be a Greek lady who was his former lover in a past life they shared together. Fisher became more convinced of the truthfulness of the claims of his guide, and the other spirits, which spoke through the medium, especially since some of the information that was transmitted appeared to be uncannily accurate. However, as he continued to check the information he was provided with (geographical data, historical facts, dates, times, people, places, and events), in library archives, doubts eventually began to rise in his mind. It soon became more and more apparent that significant pieces of key information was either extremely conspicuous by its absence, or directly contradicted what he had been told.
Fisher’s doubts grew more so when he measured the claims of his own guide against those of other popular mediums. Although the spirit’s that spoke through the various mediums he met claimed to be in contact with his own spirit guide much of the information they provided contradicted.
As a result of all the conflicting information Fisher began to feel that these spirits were either, at best guessing, or at worst, deliberately lying.
After lengthy in depth research, and becoming more and more frustrated with the many contradictions, and blatant lies of the guides, Fisher challenges the spirit’s with the findings his research has uncovered. The response of the guide’s, however, was not to admit falsehood but rather to be slippery and evasive.
Fisher eventually meets up with a former member of the group, Sandford Ellison, who had previously offered to tell him of the "other side" of the story of the spirit guides. Ellison reveals that his time with the guides lead him into becoming increasingly manipulated and controlled by them, eventually leading to the break down of his marriage. He explains to Fisher how the guides demanded more and more time of , while at the same time poisoning his mind against his wife. He was, in effect, turned into a puppet on a string ready to jump to do their bidding. It was only when he made the break from their control that his former relationship with his wife was restored.
Looking back on his dealings with the guides, Fisher was able to see how they worked. As well as resorting to blatant half truths and downright lies, they used such tactics as flattering their listeners, and were highly intelligent masters in manipulation. They were slippery and difficult to pin down, able to change the subject, when questioned about contradictions in facts. Although they often spoke of "the good" for humanity, love, and "forward development", it became apparent that their true motives were to control and live vicariously through physical beings - hence the name of the book "Hungry Ghosts".
The final part of the book finds the author still grappling with the question of what exactly the guides are. Enough evidence was gathered to demonstrate that some of the information could not have been gathered by natural means, so conscious fraud on the part of the mediums did not seem to be the best choice of explanation. It seemed that these entities, whatever they were, were not what they claimed to be (i.e. spirits of the dead). Despite them being able to deliver great amounts of supernatural information, they lied about their identities, and would be caught out over and over again. His conclusion? That these spirits were lower earthly spirits, lying beings, which were desperate to attach themselves to human hosts, like parasites. Fisher recognises that others have also come to this conclusion throughout the ages. He refers to other historical sources, including the Bible, that identify these spirits as malevolent, evil beings, demons.
The epilogue to this 2001 edition shows Fisher still somewhat haunted by his experience with the spirits and sounding out a personal warning for those who would seek to enter the world of spirit guides.
In that same year, tragedy was to strike. The publisher’s of Joe Fisher’s book, Paraview Press, explain how the author eventually took his own life after being tormented by the spirits he had been in contact with. The publisher’s further explain how it is all the more incredible that Fisher took his life as he was known as one who wrote against suicide in a previous book he had authored:
"Troubled by personal problems - as well as by the spirits he claimed to have
angered in writing the Siren Call of Hungry Ghosts - Joe Fisher took his own
life on May 9, 2001." ( [link to www.paraview.com]
As mentioned earlier, it must be remembered that Fisher, although brought up in a family that had some Bible based beliefs, was not a Christian himself, but rather one who leant more towards New Age beliefs and practices. As such, he could not be accused of being biased against the practice of mediumship. He started off as a sceptical and objective enquirer, an investigative journalist, eventually become a believer in the phenomena of spirit contact, but found that the spirits he was in touch with were not what they claimed to be. His conclusion was that these spirits were real but lied about their identity. They were demons. Fisher’s mother would say to him: "Demon’s...You’re talking to demons. And I don’t like the sound of it one bit." (p. 128).
There is a warning here for every person who is, either involved, or thinking about, contacting spirit guides through spiritualists, mediums, or channeler’s. The tragic end of Joe Fisher could easily become your own. This is not the only incident of a life ruined through contact with spirit entities, beings that the Bible calls demons, or evil spirits. |
| Eileen
User ID: 4454
7/26/2005 2:10 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
I C,
Thanks for sharing that. I too feel that someone who is intelligent enough to take the material and gain from it some understanding would do well to read through (the unedited) C material.
I think you mentioned discernment. This is an absolute neccessity one must possess in order to weed through it all.
There was one thing that L said, and that was that there must be a balance. I don´t think that it was her intention to be the ´bad´ part of that balance, but without her material, there would be no balance to the other info that is available from other sources.
I am currently reading through the Ra Material (thank you for the site), and I can´t help but wonder (in her con-artist intentions) if L didn´t just take most of that and turn it around to be something that later came from the Cs--adding in a lot of her own ideas about aliens and so on?
Evidently, this is a possibility, b/c I´m sure I´ve seen several references to law suits involving her and plagerism. |
| Anders (BBM)
User ID: 10766
7/26/2005 2:15 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
A question
Vincent has reminded us all about how the Cs got it totally wrong about the mother who drowned her kids.
I wonder if anyone has compiled a list of the ´hit rate´ of the Cs.
My own personal recollections point to an almost zero hit rate so far.
I am reminded of Ed Dames, another RV intuitive with a zero hit rate - the Cs, like Major Ed, give good ´channelling´...
LOL... |
| Eileen
User ID: 4454
7/26/2005 2:36 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
OPie, you stated, "The Siren Call of Hungry Ghosts”. This is from a Christian website, but I find nothing to disagree with in the review."
I don´t think the source of your information should be in question, no matter where you obtained it. However, it should be at the discernment of the reader as to how they take it.
I´m not sure If I gleaned from your response that you are a Christian or not. I, by choice, am no longer.
It has only been within the past year that I have been channelling, and it wasn´t something that I sought. This spirit guide who channels through me does not "appear" when called (though, I haven´t really tried that), but instead tends to offer up help and advice to others through me. Usually seeing all sides of a situation and not really advising, but pointing out all available options.
Though, b/c of this kind of channelling, and the strong possibility of bringing through my own prejudices and thoughts, I usually tell those to whom experience this that they must make sure that this is a possibility and take the information on those terms. There has only been one instance when I have had a trance channel, and the person with whom I was with truly benefitted from the experience. She was able to face a few things that she hadn´t been able to do before.
Now I must say that when I experience these channellings, there is usually a good feeling, a safe feeling. I actually had not even known that I was doing it until the night of the trance, and talking with this person, we both realized that this is something I had been doing for some time. The entity does not bombard my everyday, as a matter of fact, I don´t even think he has been around for a couple of weeks. And, I KNOW (don´t ask me how) that this entity would not hurt me or anyone else. He is truly a higher-level spirit, of this I am sure. He has never tried to tell me things about past lives or any other information like that--mostly just offers of a view of all sides of a situation so that others may make choices on their own.
I hope that you gain a little more of an understanding on this. It is not something that I sought--but it has led me to start researching (which is what brought me to the C site and to here as well).
He does elude to predictions about the future, but gives no details. I trust him, and know that he is only here to help me to awaken. Of this I´m sure.
I´m sure if you did enough research, you would find that there are just as many out there like me, as there are those like Mr. Fisher. I think it all has to do with balance. We very well can´t have lower level entities without higher level ones and visa versa.
Thanks for the story, I think we all need to hear stuff like this and be aware of all possibilities. |
| Infinitea
User ID: 2625
7/26/2005 3:14 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
No, I think you are right that we may loose something of ourselves when we associate with people like this, but I also think we can add it to our store of life lessons/experiences. I think helping others not to follow down the same path helps us to gain a little of that something we lost back.
Yes, Eileen, I think the excerpt I quoted was exaggerating to make a point. But it´s
interesting that the QFG folks show such
similar attitudes and characteristics as Laura, according to the previous poster.
Anders and OPie, were you ever like that, when
you belonged to that group? |
| Infinitea
User ID: 2625
7/26/2005 3:35 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
I am currently reading through the Ra Material (thank you for the site), and I can´t help but wonder (in her con-artist intentions) if L didn´t just take most of that and turn it around to be something that later came from the Cs--adding in a lot of her own ideas about aliens and so on?
Evidently, this is a possibility, b/c I´m sure I´ve seen several references to law suits involving her and plagerism.
The essence of the Ra material is the teaching of the Law of One, while Laura´s version of the C´s is separative.
Here´s an example. Ra refers only briefly and in passing to the 4D astral entities (he calls them thought-forms) that feed off fear, and says that this is "not important." The message I get from Ra is that it´s not constructive to focus on this. While Laura is all about blowing up all the bad news she can possibly find, to mammoth proportions.
I did find it interesting that the C´s said they "serve both sides"--STS and STO. This IS in sync with the Ra material.
You might want to check out the Law of One Study Guide at ascenstion2000.com. Very good distillation of the teaching. |
| Eileen
User ID: 4454
7/26/2005 4:08 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Infinitea,
Thanks for that site.
Yes, in reading through the Ra material, I can see a big difference in how questions were formed. Most of the questions included all of man/womankind not just the individuals seeking their own ends or means.
L certainly seemed to be more concerned with those things that most affected her--not even that much of the group itself. This is quite evident in the picking and choosing of material and where to put it when. It also is evident in the fact that a large amount of the material is not even shown in the Wave series.
I´m also wondering about the Seth material, which I´ve seen in a few places. Is this anything like the Ra Material? |
| Infinitea
User ID: 2625
7/26/2005 4:20 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Vincent has reminded us all about how the Cs got it totally wrong about the mother who drowned her kids.
I wonder if anyone has compiled a list of the ´hit rate´ of the Cs.
My own personal recollections point to an almost zero hit rate so far.
I am reminded of Ed Dames, another RV intuitive with a zero hit rate -
Here´s the problem with making predictions. The future (and the present for that matter) is not "set"--it´s a jumble of probabilities. Those kids were alive, in another probability. Everything you can imagine plays itself out in one probability or another. Apparently, we were
aligned with the probability where the mom drowned her kids. The C´s were aligned with a different probability.
The C´s said there are no lies, only interpretations. I would read this as, our interpretation of the reality we are personally experiencing. This is what "creates" our experience.
This is actually very good news. Change your interpretation to one that you prefer, and experience it accordingly. That´s "playing the game" as we were meant to. But where does this leave the "objective reality" that Laura refers to so frequently? |
| Infinitea
User ID: 2625
7/26/2005 4:38 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Eileen: Yes, in reading through the Ra material, I can see a big difference in how questions were formed. Most of the questions included all of man/womankind not just the individuals seeking their own ends or means.
L certainly seemed to be more concerned with those things that most affected her--not even that much of the group itself. This is quite evident in the picking and choosing of material and where to put it when. It also is evident in the fact that a large amount of the material is not even shown in the Wave series.
Infinitea: Yes, exactly. Good assessment of the differences in the two approaches.
E: I´m also wondering about the Seth material, which I´ve seen in a few places. Is this anything like the Ra Material?
I: No, it is very different, yet complementary.
Much more emphasis on how we create our personal reality. Nothing about STS/STO. And, re the negative 4D feeders on fear--Seth states categorically that there are no demons except those of our own creation. Here´s a good overview of Seth: [link to newworldview.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 8422
7/26/2005 4:43 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Woah, this is still going on? Man i thought I would google a friend´s name to see if he´s around... But all this bickering is still happening.
crazyiness.
Does anyone from Matrisohka hang out here? I have not checked it out in years.
-shedt/shawn |
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