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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 10830
7/28/2005 12:13 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Hiya Anders. Yep - maundering.
However, I did quit the list, no doubt seconds before he offed me (c:
Sometime you´ll have to let me know who you ´were.´
(c: |
| OPie
User ID: 11340
7/28/2005 1:42 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Hi, Wzy!
And bump. |
| OPie
User ID: 11340
7/28/2005 2:23 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Must be time for a night-night bump ...
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| Infinitea
User ID: 17192
7/28/2005 2:38 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
The doctrines, teachings, dogmas, etc., of theosophy, as published by Helena Petrovna Blavatsky, and affirmed to be derived from the quasi-infallible Mahatmas of Thibet, were borrowed from the philosophies and religions of the past and present, with some admixture of modern science.
T. Lobsang Rampa is a similar story. He wrote books about his experiences as a Tibetan lama,
while he was actually an out-of-work plumber
named Hoskins. He based his books on voluminous research. They were sold as true stories, and
gained an enormous following. To this day many
of his readers refuse to believe that they were pure fabrication.
One of them did concede: "He may be a plumber, but he has the soul of a lama."
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| Infinitea
User ID: 17192
7/28/2005 2:41 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
I wonder if Laura´s plagiarisms are as shameless as Blavatsky´s? Anyone checked up on this? |
| Anders (BBM)
User ID: 8923
7/28/2005 5:08 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
wyz you have mail |
| Anders (BBM)
User ID: 8923
7/28/2005 5:59 AM | | Anonymous Coward
User ID: 3933
7/28/2005 12:42 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
The below post from VB deserves a repeat!
Thank you for your attention and participation here VB.
Also, thanks for many comments from Opie and Anders (and others)...well worth the effort!
Very insightful, informative and HELPFUL thread...there´s a nice example of INTENT for you!!!
carry on...
Watching her interact with an "audience," such as a group of people in an internet forum, it is clear that she functions more or less as an "amplifier" of the secret desires, least permissible instincts, the sufferings, personal revolts, and all the repressed and suppressed shadow sides of other people, giving it voice and permission to exist, as well as justification.
Her written passages are not particularly well structured, and some of it is actually painful to read, but it seems that she has the ability to sense what people want him to give them permission to do and be, and she is then able to manipulate these themes so as to arouse their emotions.
Via these writings, which are almost "virtual speeches," she is able to numb the critical faculties of her readers to the point where they are willing to believe anything she says. She flatters and cajoles, builds up straw men and knocks them down, and she always manages to say what the majority of her audience is secretly thinking but cannot verbalize because they are dark thoughts, unacceptable in rational and/or scholarly circles.
Of course, she does all of this under the guise of "daring to speak the truth and to defy the authorities and oppressors of the true human spirit!" She appeals to the most primitive and basest instincts and inclinations, and cloaks them with nobility and the image of being high ideals, and is thus able to justify all actions as the means to the attainment of these ideal goals.
She can come across as so sincere and convincing, and does the "we´re hermanos" act so well, that her readers or listeners are ready to believe anything about him that SHE says, because they WANT to, even if the facts indicate the exact opposite. This emotional bond she is able to create in her audience is not easily dissolved, and it seems to rob people of their critical functions.
It cannot be denied that she has extraordinary abilities where the psychology of the average person is concerned. She knows how to apply group psychology, and she appeals mostly to women, or to the feminine parts of men.
She has a strange memory. She seems to be able to pull up facts and figures about a narrow range of topics without the slightest hesitation and uses this faculty to give an approximation of infallibility.
Her rules seem to be: never let people cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternative views; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequenty enough people will sooner or later believe it.
She does not think things through in a normal way. (This is the most difficult item for people who actually DO think). Her mental processes seem to operate in reverse. Instead of studying a problem, she avoids it until his "voice" speaks to him. Once she has the "solution," she begins to search for facts that support it. In other words, her thought processes begin with emotion, and move to selecting facts that she "likes." It is this characteristic that makes it difficult to predict her actions. She is, truly, an "alien reaction machine."
The one thing that she seems to be unable to tolerate is ridicule or humiliation.
When she faces opposition that is not ameliorated by any support, she breaks down and writes in the tones of a vaudeville performer. Melodrama and all...
She does not seem to be able to carry on a normal conversation. She talks "at" a person, not "to" them. She is unable to engage in a "give and take" exchange. She is either preaching, or silent and listening to other people talk.
While she listens to others, she absorbs data and later uses it as her own, never giving credit to where she got it. She is a "poseur." She remembers things she has heard and, just as she has a talent for mimicry, she has a talent for repeating things she has heard in such a way that the listener is led to believe that they are her own, that she is very clever - even a genius.
Her memory is oddly selective. While she has a prodigious memory for accumulating facts and figures and curious "scholarly" items, phrases and mimicked intellect, she does not seem to be able to remember when she uses one bit of information to manipulate one person one day, and uses the same info in another way or context another day.
There is an air that follows her that reeks of unnatural sexuality, like an evil emanation. Nothing in her environment is straightforward. Surreptitious relationships, substitutes, symbols, false sentiments, secret lusts - the very air around him is unnatural. Nothing is genuine, nothing is open, natural or clean.
Nevertheless, others who have these proclivities seem to form a deep allegience to her and are obviously ready to forgive or ignore his shortcomings. Are they oblivious to these things, or are they merely attached because she is the amplifier of the same things within them?
V: This is from [link to cassiopaea.com]
VB
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| I C the Light and the virus
User ID: 503
7/28/2005 2:12 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Heads up for all.
When Baby Cassiopaea is upset, it throws its toys out of the pram!
A classic Cassiopaea response to those that speak their truth about them, is to arrange for a computer virus to be delivered to you personally. Ah.......such elegance.
Guard the gate.
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 3933
7/28/2005 2:19 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
"throws its toys out of the pram!"
what a lovely term!!!
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| Infinitea
User ID: 7936
7/28/2005 3:28 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
From the Blue channeling at smartgroups, on the subject of discerning between STO/STS:
[Blue] we keep repeating ..... it is very simple and we have told you
multiple times ......
.... look for those who follow a path where all is inclusive or they operate
in exclusive mode ...
INCLUSIVE = BENIGN = STO
EXCLUSIVE = MALIGN = STS
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 16840
7/28/2005 4:19 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
yep, virus alert |
| Eileen
User ID: 4454
7/28/2005 5:32 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
A: "Eileen/Anon
What do you make of the changes above that I have highlighted? can you see them?
What do you make of organic portals"
Anders, it makes you wonder if any of this stuff is real. There seem to be so many variances! My opinion, she uses bits and pieces here and there so that she can keep writing her books and say absolutely nothing new!
What was that stuff from Anon anyhow? sounds like this person knows who you are? |
| I C the Light and Dark
User ID: 503
7/28/2005 5:53 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Interesting info from Ra Material at www.llresearch.org on STO and STS "conditioning" for channeling.
Remember, because the Cs said so, the Cassiopea crew don´t do "ritual". Any activity that blens a group together eg singing , is a ritual, but the C crew claim not to do such things. So the karoake and cheese and wine sessions must be something else oui?. We all do ritual in some form. From what I have discerned, ritual of some sort is important when one is claiming to channel information from other densities.
Ritual, like any concentrated effort, focuses intent. STO or STS? Its a blessing to have a choice. I think the C crew stopped checking their entity (ies) of choice a long time ago, because they think they "know", or even "don´t know". (makes then sound more "scientific")
But proclaimed or pretended assertions of Ignorance are not a get out clause when it comes to cause and effect. Infact if Laura has caught up with her future self as she says, the entities channeled walk incarnate, in a Chateau in France. From a group endeavour, the Cs became one person, ie Laura, or is it Laura and Ark, or are they "one" being?. Love can sometimes make one blind or drunk. It seems those who resonate are being asked to be colinear with the twists and turns of a beast with two backs. OSIT.
From the channel of the Ra Material - Ra book 5:
Since the channeling phenomenon has become so commonplace we would like to make an additional comment on the conditioning vibration. Many who serve as instruments feel that they recognize the entities who speak through them by the conditioning vibration and need no other identification to be sure that they are channeling whom they think they are channeling. We have found that this is not always so because negative entities of the same relative vibration will feel just like the familiar positive entity to the one serving as instrument when the negative entity wishes to call itself by another name and mimic the positive entity as a part of the process of tricking the instrument and then detuning the positive work done by the group receiving its information. This is standard procedure for those of the path of service to self. The fundamental concept involved is that the opportunity for positive entities to speak through instruments and groups must be balanced by the same opportunity being offered to negative entities. This need not be a difficulty for any instrument, however, if it and its support group utilizes the twin processes of tuning the group and challenging the contact each time channeling occurs.
Tuning the group is the process whereby each individual in the group refines the desire to serve others and puts it first and foremost in the mind and heart. The group may accomplish this tuning by any method which has meaning to each within the group whether that be by singing sacred songs, chanting, praying, telling jokes, sharing information, visualizing light surrounding the group, or whatever blends each present into one unified source of seeking.
Then when the instrument feels the entities which wish to channel through it are present the challenge is mentally given, again in whatever way that feels appropriate to the instrument and in whatever way that the instrument can get behind with every fiber of its being. The instrument will demand to know if the entities wishing to channel through it come in the name of whatever principle the instrument feels is the highest and best in its own life. One may challenge the entity wishing to speak in the name of Jesus the Christ, the Christ consciousness, the positive polarity, service to others or in the name of one of the archangels or in whatever represents the center of one’s life, that for which the instrument lives and would gladly die. This forms a wall of light through which an entity of negative polarity has as much trouble passing through as you and I would discover with a solid brick wall.
Negative entities stand ready to fill in any lapse of care in this regard with their offering of service in their own way; that is, mimicking the positive contact only as much as necessary to maintain the channel and then giving false information whenever possible, usually having to do with dates and descriptions of upcoming cataclysmic earth changes which, when made public by the group receiving such information makes the group lose credibility since the dates are never correct. Thus the negative entity takes the spiritual strength of the light which the group had been able to share in service-to-others work.
Carla used this method of challenging Ra for the first two sessions. This was and is her normal method, as she usually does conscious channeling. But in the Ra contact she involuntarily went into trance, and could not tune in that way, so we were glad when, at the end of the second session, Ra gave us the ritual of walking the Circle of One to replace the challenging procedure used in telepathic channeling since in all sessions after the first two Carla was immediately in the trance state, out of her body, and unaware of any activity whatsoever. None of us ever discovered how she was able to accomplish this trance state and the leaving of her body. It was apparently a pre-incarnatively chosen ability chosen to aid in the contact with Ra. Our meditation before each session was our group process of tuning. |
| Infinitea
User ID: 16626
7/28/2005 6:35 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Fantastic, very apropos, thanks for posting. |
| I C the Light and Dark
User ID: 503
7/28/2005 6:39 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
More from Ra Channel. Sorry, the previous piece was from another of the 3 that tuned into Ra, Jim McCarty, now Carla´s husband.
Carla: These days, I am teaching very few people to channel. Through the years, I have seen the kind of havoc an opened and untuned channel can wreak in the personality of the seeker who channels just for a while, or just for the fun of it. The basic problem with channeling tends to be that the channel needs to be actively attempting to live the message she is receiving. In spiritual work, no one has the luxury of saying “Do as I say, not as I do.” If we do not embody the principles we offer to others, we receive often dramatic and life-shaking catalyst that points up the divergence of ideals from true intention. I have seen people lose their sanity when carelessly involved with channeling. So I take the responsibility of taking students very, very seriously. For the most part, I now work with people who come to me already channeling, and having difficulties with that. This has involved me with people being moved around the world by signals from Indians, UFO contactees with strange stories, and all manner of diverse folks who are in some way at risk in the “new age” sea of confusion. The phrase “spiritual counselor” has a smug, know-it-all feeling to it, which I hope I do not reflect, but it’s pretty much what I am doing these days. Perhaps “spiritual listener” is more accurate. With e-mail there has come a wider opportunity to relate with seekers personally.
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| Anders (BBM)
User ID: 1661
7/28/2005 7:51 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
 <<---aim here! |
| Anders (BBM)
User ID: 1661
7/28/2005 7:54 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
oops
aim
lower |
| OPie
User ID: 1543
7/28/2005 9:45 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
bump |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 992
7/28/2005 11:21 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 9637
7/29/2005 1:33 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 9637
7/29/2005 1:34 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
And once more for good luck.
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| OPie
User ID: 9637
7/29/2005 2:18 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
My opinion, she uses bits and pieces here and there so that she can keep writing her books and say absolutely nothing new!
Eileen, this is exactly what she does, not just with the books either. She does the same thing with her articles, and even with her posts to the main C group. It´s all cut and paste. Moreover, as Anders showed the other night, she changes the C sessions to more closely support whatever idea she´s trying to get across at the time. Good thing Vincent had the unedited transcripts or we´d never know what was really said by the C´s (or, come to think of it, what was asked by the attendees). She´s got an elaborate computer system (and a lot of help), as well as a good memory and is able to quickly find what she needs. Well, I need to qualify the memory bit. Her memory fails her quite badly when it comes to people -- she gets all those who have helped her over the years completely mixed up. So much for gratitude -- she can´t even keep her helpers straight. |
| Wyzyrd
User ID: 10830
7/29/2005 2:57 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Fascinating Thread Bump
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| OPie
User ID: 9637
7/29/2005 3:22 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
The basic problem with channeling tends to be that the channel needs to be actively attempting to live the message she is receiving. In spiritual work, no one has the luxury of saying “Do as I say, not as I do.”
Hmmmm ... |
| Infinitea
User ID: 12432
7/29/2005 3:36 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
A little slow here today...
In case anyone is interested, here´s my
son´s art site:
[link to fenster.deviantart.com] |
| Xena
User ID: 16100
7/29/2005 5:21 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Finally got here and immediately distracted, lol.
Hi Infinitea, about deviantart my kids want to go there but I wasn´t sure (pre & early teens)so I said no. I could use another opinion:)
Tia
Xena
Hi Wyz,
Off to page 1
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 16989
7/29/2005 5:23 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
more demonic nesting techniques. |
| Wyzyrd
User ID: 10830
7/29/2005 9:30 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Hiya Xena!
Once you read all this some of my comments elsewhere may make more sense.
***
Welcome to EaglesDisobey, OP (c: Are you the OPie OP?
Just curious. Or maundering (c: |
| OPie
User ID: 17401
7/29/2005 9:53 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Hi, Wzy. Yeah, that´s me. Thought I´d save myself typing two letters.
Maunder away! |
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