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| John Souttar
User ID: 11797
10/14/2005 12:43 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Is ībumped offī an English expression? Old movie expression - dont like it - itīs too quiet, also fits.
Vincent (St Vincent, Hendaye huh?) went to a reception in a stately home now called Hartwell Hotel near Aylesbury. There was a big model of the house and the recreated gardens including the canal temple etc. Louis X111 lived there till 1814 so also has French touch. Then I met the man Eric Throssle who recreated the gardens and follies etc. He was fascinating and showed me all the old paintings which had helped him do this. The place is a diagram of the Temple and Paradise. Metaphysical completely. Probably sits on an old Roman Temple. He was very interested in Hendaye. The Elizabethan parts (around 1580AD) were the most meta and suggest to me that people like John Dee were involved in making working models, maybe used for serious rituals. Thought I would mention. Will reduce my GLP attendance dramatically now cast all my pearls. Good luck all.
Anders!! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 32272
10/15/2005 10:19 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 32272
10/15/2005 10:33 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 32272
10/16/2005 12:50 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
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| Adamic Seed
User ID: 32321
10/16/2005 3:00 AM
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In My Opinion.
I know that Laura et al seem to have an objective scientific bent, while Seth is about encouraging one introspect the personal nature of the experience. Credit due: Cassies encourage critical thinking.
Also, Cassies speak of themslves as being from a numerically higher īdensityī, and as being īLaura from the futureī, while Seth describes himself as being Janeīs Oversoul.
Difference: Seth appears to offer a more æsthetic approach. |
| John Souttar
User ID: 11797
10/16/2005 7:34 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Louis XV111 sorry - not that it makes much difference and merely illustrates my capacity to get things wrong.
Have I got to check out Seth too?
By the way I am informed by my new source that density equates with speed. Wheels within wheels relates to a series of cogs (ie say Polaris orbits Sirius, Sun orbits Polaris, Earth orbits Sun, Moon orbits Earth. To a Sirian we would be spinning very fast indeed and they would have trouble locating the human lifeform era. To do this they have to alter their own speed and this is where the danger lies for them. Meanwhile were we to be able to visit Sirius we would not see anything happening at all. And at the central point it may seem there is nothing at all. If the sea is part of the entity here it is not at our speed.
Around the human too are creatures operating at faster speeds. So it may seem as if there is not too much in the brain of a fly but there is at their speed. Suppose one fly at some time was theīmessiahī. How do you think we could contact and communicate with that one? I can only think this can be done by using our psychic abilities. This is what I think has happened and why there are so many stories of these encounters. The Apocalyptic beasts are there to help make the contact. That is the location is where there are cattle, lions (still), serpents, lizards or fish (not dynosaurs) and humans (angelic state). You will not find these anywhere else at any other time but will find the pictures all over the universe (I am informed).
The closest they can get to dating this is to the setting of the wheels hence all the activity round about now as the hands approach 12 again. Why they are interested at all is because this is the only place where the antidote to īcorruptionī can be found. In the middle of it of course.
I equate the whole thing to GLP. You go there but may have missed the one post you need to read. There is rubbish all around but somewhere is a grain of truth. You gather the grains here and there until there is a little bag of gold dust from the panning. Treasure indeed until someone informs you it is foolīs gold and you have wasted your life collecting it. It is Sunday morning and many are at church now panning. Obviously we will all be enraptured when a nugget is finally presented that passes the test. But wherever this is it is still well hidden (Amen).
I must get a life! Perhaps I should ring John Mullett. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 32272
10/17/2005 3:03 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 32746
10/17/2005 6:14 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
-Well, itīs good to see this Leviathan break surface again, esp I as I only took my first they look at Lauraīs site some two weeks ago.
Very interesting to read the last few pages here. |
| Vincent Bridges
User ID: 33138
10/18/2005 8:15 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
I know that Laura et al seem to have an objective scientific bent, while Seth is about encouraging one introspect the personal nature of the experience. Credit due: Cassies encourage critical thinking.
V: I suppose if you say something enough times it sort of takes on a truth of its own... The C Cult "seem" to have an objective scientific bent, but in fact they only "claim" to encourage critical thinking. If youīd like some proof, merely join the public CassChat yahoo group and attempt to do some of that there critical thinking and see what happens... Dogma and doctrine, not free thinking or scientific objectivity, are the watch words of LKJ and company...
VB |
| anders
User ID: 33297
10/18/2005 5:37 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
bumpity |
| Abraxas Incarnate
User ID: 33373
10/18/2005 9:41 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Greetings folks, I run a cosmic conspiracy group on yahoo,
[link to groups.yahoo.com]
where I met VB some four years ago (has it been that long? I guess so!)
Anyway one of my members has been following this thread here and asked me to participate, so here I am :)
I have tremendous respect for Vincent and our conversations have always been enlightening, though often heated. Despite our differences we always seem to offer something of value for each other.
Iīve been following his battle with the C-cult ever since their heavy conflict period during 2002, which was when VB first posted about it at IlluminAlch. Iīve since read all the material on both sides, at VBīs site and (though it pained me to do so) at the Cass main site.
This is my analysis, se what VB and the folk here think of it.
First of all, Iīve been around the cosmic block several times, even ran a UFO contact cult myself back in the early 90s, so I know the game in and out. I agree with everyone who has cautioned against the use of a Ouija board- nothing good comes from it, just a bunch of reflective deception.
Having read most of the Cass propganda, I agree with VB totally that nothing has come from it that warrants any special attention- it is a bunch of recycled stuff stolen from Icke, Sitchin, whomever, with enough sauce added to give the appearance (to the gullible who have not yet read the original sources) of "shocking new revelations".
So we are in agreement there. As far as the whole house scam, well, that seems consistent with the level of deception employed generally by Līark. No surprise there.
What I would like to focus on, however, is the impact this whole affair has had on VB himself.
Vincent, you have obviously been dancing with the tar baby on this whole thing. How can you possdibly recoup yourself to the place you were at when the whole mess started? Are you now locked into this hate crusade against Līark as your primary, or at least secondary, focus?
Might that be just what Līark wants, for you to be chained to them forever? Obviously when you went in to their cult, and partricipated in their contact rituals, you exposed yourself to the very demons that have since overtaken the cult entirely. What are the consequences for you as a result of this contamination? How have you changed?
The only hope there seems to be in the belief, which you have apparently formulated, that the dark forces showed up after your participation. Am I reading you correctly? If so, why would you asesrt that Laura made any genuine contacts to begin with? The Ouija method is proven to be bad news no matter what, so why give it any credit at all? Just to try and minimize your own psychic infection?
You see, V, I donīt think you ever completely left that smoky room where you were with Laura and company. You seem to still be trapped there in some fashion, manifesting as your current crusade. Līark continues to push you on, for reasons that are obvious, keeping you bound to their emanations by default.
What is your exit strategy? Or has your life now been redefined as the righteous battle aginst this particular evil?
Wouldnīt you, V, with your tremendous intellect and cosmic prowess, better serve yourself and humanity if you just cut the cord and moved on?
Do you really think you can bring down this cult, which is so obviously tied up with shifty intelligence operations and other spookiness?
As always, V, I respect your efforts to fight what you see as the good fight- and I agree, the C-cult is a dangerous thing- but is there any viable way out for you, or anyone in fact, who attaches themselves to that tar baby? |
| Abraxas Incarnate
User ID: 33373
10/18/2005 11:56 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Hi John, you wrote:
"By the way I am informed by my new source that density equates with speed. Wheels within wheels relates to a series of cogs (ie say Polaris orbits Sirius, Sun orbits Polaris, Earth orbits Sun, Moon orbits Earth. To a Sirian we would be spinning very fast indeed and they would have trouble locating the human lifeform era. To do this they have to alter their own speed and this is where the danger lies for them. "
This theory implies an assumption that linear time as we know it is constant for all living consciousnesses across the universe, which is a very anthropomorphic bias. What if an alien from Sirius operates in a five-dimensional state, and looks out onto a four dimensional plane the same way that we as 4D beings see a 3D plane?
In such a scenario, the alien would most likely look at Earth and see all of our history to date as happening at once, as an uroborus disk of some kind with linear time running around its edges. Speed in this case would be irrelevant.
And besides, what the heck does "density" mean in any of these contexts anyway? Sounds like Līark-ian fuldergarb. |
| Vincent Bridges
User ID: 33540
10/19/2005 9:24 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Hiya Steve,
The Prellwitz, aka Abraxas Incarnate, is one of the more charmingly whacko denizens of the cyber-monde underword of conspiracy phantacists... And, although we disagree sharply on many points, we are almost as indelibly linked on the internet as myself and Dan Winter... just as I am indelibly linked to LKJ in fact...
That being said, let me comment below:
This is my analysis, se what VB and the folk here think of it.
First of all, I´ve been around the cosmic block several times, even ran a UFO contact cult myself back in the early 90s, so I know the game in and out. I agree with everyone who has cautioned against the use of a Ouija board- nothing good comes from it, just a bunch of reflective deception.
V: Lower astral crap, 99%...
Having read most of the Cass propganda, I agree with VB totally that nothing has come from it that warrants any special attention- it is a bunch of recycled stuff stolen from Icke, Sitchin, whomever, with enough sauce added to give the appearance (to the gullible who have not yet read the original sources) of "shocking new revelations".
V: Yep...
So we are in agreement there. As far as the whole house scam, well, that seems consistent with the level of deception employed generally by L´ark. No surprise there.
V: Just that they are apparently still getting away with it...
What I would like to focus on, however, is the impact this whole affair has had on VB himself.
Vincent, you have obviously been dancing with the tar baby on this whole thing. How can you possdibly recoup yourself to the place you were at when the whole mess started? Are you now locked into this hate crusade against L´ark as your primary, or at least secondary, focus?
V: The encounter with the Cs and the Not Cs, as well as LKJ and Ark and the whole mess was hugely educational. On that level, i am grateful for the experience. It wasnīt over all a good thing, but one of those Karmic learning things... I am the better for it though, stronger, more shall we say focused about some things, and a hell of a lot better informed about that fine line between enlightenment and outright insanity. I am actually in a much better position now than when the whole mess started, with two books selling fairly well, tours scheduled for next year, and several projects moving along nicely. This, as you call it, "hate crusade" is not even a priority at the moment, as my gaps in posting would tend to indicate.
Might that be just what L´ark wants, for you to be chained to them forever? Obviously when you went in to their cult, and partricipated in their contact rituals, you exposed yourself to the very demons that have since overtaken the cult entirely. What are the consequences for you as a result of this contamination? How have you changed?
V: Chained to them forever... well I hope not but youīre right it does feel that way sometimes... As for contamination... More like guilt and karma... Guilt because I could have stopped the session and banished for all I was worth the moment I felt it going wrong. Lord knows, listening to that session I had enough warning. I didnīt, and that is a failing on my part. Even the best of us screw up, and when we do we must take responsibility for it. Thatīs the karma. I didnīt stop the possession, and I helped give the nascent cult a degree of viability, and so I have a karmic duty. At first, I would been happy with mutual silence. But obviously, karma will out and that was impossible...
The only hope there seems to be in the belief, which you have apparently formulated, that the dark forces showed up after your participation. Am I reading you correctly? If so, why would you asesrt that Laura made any genuine contacts to begin with? The Ouija method is proven to be bad news no matter what, so why give it any credit at all? Just to try and minimize your own psychic infection?
V: I never asserted, at any point, that LKJ had made any of kind of "genuine contact" of any sort. It seemed that way before I had access to the complete and virtually unedited transcripts, mainly because LKJ is such a good liar. Before the mirror session, their contact had been through Fred for the most part, and contacted very little beyond the constantly shifting astral soup they pulled in when they cranked up the board. The March sessions, with me and LKJ on the board, are somewhat different and quite obviously, as LKJ herself has said, they consider the information in those sessions to be of vital importance. They stole a quarter million bucks and moved to France on the strength of it...
You see, V, I don´t think you ever completely left that smoky room where you were with Laura and company. You seem to still be trapped there in some fashion, manifesting as your current crusade. L´ark continues to push you on, for reasons that are obvious, keeping you bound to their emanations by default.
V: I donīt have a current crusade. I post here sometimes, thereīs the Cassiopaea Cult website, mostly old stuff, and I answer pertinent emails as they arrive. Oh, and I make a few phone calls when Iīm in France... Hardly a crusade... I feel that I have a karmic duty to do what I can to warn and inform about the C Cult... no more, no less...
What is your exit strategy? Or has your life now been redefined as the righteous battle aginst this particular evil?
V: Not all, however, they did try to define me as someone Iīm not, and I do have to answer that or their view, no matter how skewed, prevails...
Wouldn´t you, V, with your tremendous intellect and cosmic prowess, better serve yourself and humanity if you just cut the cord and moved on?
V: I would be glad to, except that now it is beyond a matter of personalities, it is about criminal behavior of the worse kind, preying on the fear-filled and guilible for the sake of your own enrichment. That I canīt let slide...
Do you really think you can bring down this cult, which is so obviously tied up with shifty intelligence operations and other spookiness?
V: We have limited their value just by keeping this thread alive on GLP, and they have been stung by several reversals lately, some of which were caused by information on this forum.
As always, V, I respect your efforts to fight what you see as the good fight- and I agree, the C-cult is a dangerous thing- but is there any viable way out for you, or anyone in fact, who attaches themselves to that tar baby?
V: It is a volunter thing, Steve. Everyone who has contributed their stories, and apologies, on this thread have done so out of aneed to set the record straight and prevent others from falling into the same hole... It has been a noble and truly healing experience, or so I think...lol!
As for me, Iīll let go of the Tar Baby when the C Cult is no more and LKJ and Ark are in jail. Until then, Iīll continue to do my part, limited as it is, to make that happen.
VB |
| Uncle Remus
User ID: 33542
10/19/2005 9:39 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Not involved here, but can Tar Babies be put down just when one wants?
It was the last, and only sad story in my childhood edition of Brer Rabbit.  |
| Vincent Bridges
User ID: 33540
10/19/2005 9:50 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Not involved here, but can Tar Babies be put down just when one wants?
V: Nope, you have to scrap it off in the briar patch...
VB |
| Abraxas Incarnate
User ID: 33373
10/19/2005 10:30 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
V wrote:
"The Prellwitz, aka Abraxas Incarnate, is one of the more charmingly whacko denizens of the cyber-monde underword of conspiracy phantacists..."
Oh yes V, such a lyrical description of me :) Do you know that Iīve actually missed you? Tis true!
"And, although we disagree sharply on many points,"
Indeed, but let us not allow these differences to seperate us. In the past, our sharp-tongued dialogue has fallen down due to various reasons, all of them avoidable now, as we commence our fifth(?) round of interaction.
"we are almost as indelibly linked on the internet as myself and Dan Winter... just as I am indelibly linked to LKJ in fact..."
LOL well I agree, but hope that you see our linkage is of a very different type ;)
Now, regarding the emanantions from any Ouija board, you summed it up nicely:
"Lower astral crap, 99%..."
What I still donīt get about the followers of the C-cult is this: Why the hell should anyone believe what comes out of a Ouija session? Donīt they know to, as the old Twisted Sister song goes, "Stay away from Captain Howdy"?
Well, obviously not, but it is still shocking to think that it is given any validity, especially when the messages have such banal contents.
"Chained to them forever... well I hope not but you´re right it does feel that way sometimes..."
Do you think that they are just a bunch of clueless manipulative cultists, OR do you seriously think that intelligence ops are involved? If so, who?
I ask because if the whole operation is a Jonestown-type "experiment", which is what I suspect, might you have been specifically targetted from the beginning?
"Lord knows, listening to that session I had enough warning. I didn´t, and that is a failing on my part. Even the best of us screw up, and when we do we must take responsibility for it. That´s the karma. I didn´t stop the possession, and I helped give the nascent cult a degree of viability, and so I have a karmic duty."
Donīt take this the wrong way, V, but what was your original mindset and agenda going in to the cult? Were you doing a little vacuuming of your own, perhaps? Be honest!
"I never asserted, at any point, that LKJ had made any of kind of "genuine contact" of any sort. It seemed that way before I had access to the complete and virtually unedited transcripts, mainly because LKJ is such a good liar."
So what was it that made the information seem genuine at first, given the fact that you already knew it came from the netherworld of Captain Howdy? Are you saying that you, with all your experience, REALLY were fooled by this charlatan act? Or were you trying perhaps to hijack the whole scenario according to your own needs or interests of the time?
Iīm not trying to attack you here, V; Iīm just looking at it all from an objective informed view. And it is not really casting aspersions on you personally, because by some law of cosmic effectiveness, perhaps you had "authority" to take over anyway, since LKJ is basically a poser.
"Before the mirror session, their contact had been through Fred for the most part, and contacted very little beyond the constantly shifting astral soup they pulled in when they cranked up the board. The March sessions, with me and LKJ on the board, are somewhat different and quite obviously, as LKJ herself has said, they consider the information in those sessions to be of vital importance."
Try on this theory, just for laughs: Initially Fred and LKJ make contact with Captain Howdyīs crew, but because Fred was basically a nice guy with correct intent, they couldnīt make the moves they wished. So they wait, until you show up, and the injection of your energy- which may (I repeat, MAY) not have been of the purest intent- gives them the spark needed to come up with the "vital" turn of perspective. They then use the conflict, uncertainty, and negative vibes generated by your LKJ battles- the whole sordid saga feeding them like a huge battery. The heat caused by the friction between you and the cult now serves to fuel their fires and empower them even more, because dark forces feed on darkness, and there is nothing light at all, at all, in the way that it has all unfolded.
"As for contamination... More like guilt and karma... Guilt because I could have stopped the session and banished for all I was worth the moment I felt it going wrong."
Why didnīt you? It could be because you were holding out for something you thought would be of value to you, yes?
Now I accept your assertion that this isnīt a crusade for you, that was the wrong term on my part. But think about it- if these dark creeps wanted to continue feeding off your negative vibe, the best way to ensure on ongoing menu of delights would be for them to push LKJīs buttons PRECISELY as has been done.
Look at what she/they did to your relationship with Jay- Iīve read the whole "Wiley pages"- is that not a classic example of pushing buttons so as to stir up a shitstorm that they can then feed off of to their dark heartīs delight?
About moving on, you said:
"I would be glad to, except that now it is beyond a matter of personalities, it is about criminal behavior of the worse kind, preying on the fear-filled and guilible for the sake of your own enrichment. That I can´t let slide..."
So you are going to continue to feed Captain Howdy a buffet of conflict?
"We have limited their value just by keeping this thread alive on GLP,"
Well, I will certainly do my part to keep it going, because I do believe that sunlight is the best disinfectant. Iīm just concerned about your overall cost-benefit analysis in the end.
"and they have been stung by several reversals lately, some of which were caused by information on this forum."
Like what, exactly?
"Everyone who has contributed their stories, and apologies, on this thread have done so out of aneed to set the record straight and prevent others from falling into the same hole... It has been a noble and truly healing experience, or so I think...lol!"
On that score, I am totally behind you, in that word getting out ahead of new converts is always a good thing. Notice how difficult it is to find any reference to the Ouija factor if you just show up at the Cass main site...they seem to want to cover up their Howdy-doody origins.
"As for me, I´ll let go of the Tar Baby when the C Cult is no more and LKJ and Ark are in jail."
Seriously, what are the chances of that actually happening, given the cultīs apparent backers (Soros or whomever)?
What do you actually suspect regarding these hidden pupeteers?
"Until then, I´ll continue to do my part, limited as it is, to make that happen."
Good luck, really.
Last question: What about the book Jay mentions in the LKJ correspondence, "Secret Architecture of Nature"? That seems to be a key element... |
| Anders
User ID: 33578
10/19/2005 10:32 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Abraxas :O)
Keep it coming. This all needs to be discussed. |
| Vincent Bridges
User ID: 33885
10/20/2005 3:47 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
"Chained to them forever... well I hope not but you´re right it does feel that way sometimes..."
Do you think that they are just a bunch of clueless manipulative cultists, OR do you seriously think that intelligence ops are involved? If so, who?
V: LKJ and Fred were just fools in over their heads in a psychic situation they didnīt understand and couldnīt control. Darth Ark however... The Good Doctor, who by all accounts is as much of a poseur as LKJ, had contacts with the Soros organization at the very beginning of his involvement with LKJ. According to Arkīs daughter, stuck back in Poland with her mother the discarded wife, he was ordered to do his romancing by high EU government sources. There is evidence of this, because even though Ark does not have tenure, he is still being paid by the University, seven years after he moved to Florida and married LKJ... Who is obvious, at least at the moment, but the real question is why?
I ask because if the whole operation is a Jonestown-type "experiment", which is what I suspect, might you have been specifically targetted from the beginning?
V: LKJ began her trolling of the web, at the urging of the "Cs" apparently, just as the original group of the milieu, the galactic alignment club, took shape back in late 1997. LKJ and I connected, via a link to Dan Winter, my old buddy Ray Flowers, just after we returned from France in 1999. I blew her off the first time in the winter of 2000 when the newspaper article came out and LKJ acted so paranoid. By the time she re-contacted me that summer, however, things had indeed changed. Targeted? Not personally I think, but looking for someone like me...
"Lord knows, listening to that session I had enough warning. I didn´t, and that is a failing on my part. Even the best of us screw up, and when we do we must take responsibility for it. That´s the karma. I didn´t stop the possession, and I helped give the nascent cult a degree of viability, and so I have a karmic duty."
Don´t take this the wrong way, V, but what was your original mindset and agenda going in to the cult? Were you doing a little vacuuming of your own, perhaps? Be honest!
V: In August, 2000, when LKJ got back in touch with me, things were as strange as they have ever been... I would never have taken their stuff seriously at all had there not been a certain amount of preparation. Keep in mind that at point, there wasnīt a cult, just a group of people in cyberspace discussing the usual craziness, much like your yahoo group in fact. The main difference: LKJ had several e-groups, divided up according to their participantsī loyalty. The inner group looked like the main circle, but actually there was one beyond that! I didnīt find all this out until after I had been to their house in NPR and had participated in the March 2001 sessions. Then I joined all her e-group circles. At that point, I was hooked...
"I never asserted, at any point, that LKJ had made any of kind of "genuine contact" of any sort. It seemed that way before I had access to the complete and virtually unedited transcripts, mainly because LKJ is such a good liar."
So what was it that made the information seem genuine at first, given the fact that you already knew it came from the netherworld of Captain Howdy? Are you saying that you, with all your experience, REALLY were fooled by this charlatan act? Or were you trying perhaps to hijack the whole scenario according to your own needs or interests of the time?
V: Very good question. Long ago I developed a mathematical approach to checking "channeled" material. Given the way I was given snippets and undated, and sometimes unrelated, fragments of the C sessions, I was fooled, flat out. Not until I had the entire transcripts, and I could look at the information in context, did it dawn on me that I had been had at an informational level. By then it was way too late... I wanted the information, dispite all the signs, to be real. It wasnīt, period. Did I try to hijack the vibe? Hell no, I tried to include the morons in our broader group of reseachers, and committed the even worse sin of explaining to LKJ and Ark how to do the self publishing thing. I believed all right, even when the warnings mounted up.
I´m not trying to attack you here, V; I´m just looking at it all from an objective informed view. And it is not really casting aspersions on you personally, because by some law of cosmic effectiveness, perhaps you had "authority" to take over anyway, since LKJ is basically a poser.
V: Steve, I have no desire to run a cult or take over some one elseīs trip, no matter how fascinating...
"Before the mirror session, their contact had been through Fred for the most part, and contacted very little beyond the constantly shifting astral soup they pulled in when they cranked up the board. The March sessions, with me and LKJ on the board, are somewhat different and quite obviously, as LKJ herself has said, they consider the information in those sessions to be of vital importance."
Try on this theory, just for laughs: Initially Fred and LKJ make contact with Captain Howdy´s crew, but because Fred was basically a nice guy with correct intent, they couldn´t make the moves they wished. So they wait, until you show up, and the injection of your energy- which may (I repeat, MAY) not have been of the purest intent- gives them the spark needed to come up with the "vital" turn of perspective.
V: The shift in energy from my presence was a factor, I think. They havenīt tried anything similar that I know of since... But it sure as shit wasnīt my lack of pure intent that let it get out of hand. It turned on me because I was the only one NOT susceptiple to its "designs."
They then use the conflict, uncertainty, and negative vibes generated by your LKJ battles- the whole sordid saga feeding them like a huge battery. The heat caused by the friction between you and the cult now serves to fuel their fires and empower them even more, because dark forces feed on darkness, and there is nothing light at all, at all, in the way that it has all unfolded.
V: To a certain extent, and inside the cult mostly, that is true. Objective observers wonder what the fuss is all about... But the cult wonīt let go of me, because they need the Dr Evil persona as proof of their nazi-like OP theology. If I stop responding, as I have several times, declaring back in May of 2002 a donīt feed the demon rule, their attacks just increase. At this point, they need me... And so, just as they created a distorted tissue of lies about me, they will continue to add to the mythos as needed. Nothing much I can do about it except pretty much what I am doing...
"As for contamination... More like guilt and karma... Guilt because I could have stopped the session and banished for all I was worth the moment I felt it going wrong."
Why didn´t you? It could be because you were holding out for something you thought would be of value to you, yes?
V: No, I didnīt stop it sooner because, even though I had had all the warnings, I still wanted to believe that LKJ knew what she was doing... When it clearly began to cross the line, I did stop it, but not soon enough...
Now I accept your assertion that this isn´t a crusade for you, that was the wrong term on my part. But think about it- if these dark creeps wanted to continue feeding off your negative vibe, the best way to ensure on ongoing menu of delights would be for them to push LKJ´s buttons PRECISELY as has been done.
V: Feeding within the group, but not from me... I am completely unemotional on the subject, it all having become basically a matter of justice...
Look at what she/they did to your relationship with Jay- I´ve read the whole "Wiley pages"- is that not a classic example of pushing buttons so as to stir up a shitstorm that they can then feed off of to their dark heart´s delight?
V: Oh indeed, and LKJ is a master at it. Poor old Jay, bless his heart, was just out matched. She simply consumed him, even though he knew better and had called them on it two months before. Awesome, in a way... This is how it works, LKJ went to the deepest darkest fears that Jay had, his lack of solid contribution to our work, and enflamed that into a powerful lever... And yes, everyone had a feeding frenzy from all the sparks that flew...
About moving on, you said:
"I would be glad to, except that now it is beyond a matter of personalities, it is about criminal behavior of the worse kind, preying on the fear-filled and guilible for the sake of your own enrichment. That I can´t let slide..."
So you are going to continue to feed Captain Howdy a buffet of conflict?
V: Nope. I have no control of how the cult uses my "myth" but the actions I am taking are designed not to feed the demon... This thread alone has done more to starve the critter, by keeping people out of the Cult, than anything weīve tried yet.
"We have limited their value just by keeping this thread alive on GLP,"
Well, I will certainly do my part to keep it going, because I do believe that sunlight is the best disinfectant. I´m just concerned about your overall cost-benefit analysis in the end.
V: Exactly my point above...
"and they have been stung by several reversals lately, some of which were caused by information on this forum."
Like what, exactly?
V: Three law suits for damages and bad checks, now in appeals, another cluster still circulating in the French courts for libel. They have lost significant levels of contributions and one prominent web-author, whom they were attempting to recruit, turned them down and stiffed them on the airplane ticket to France.
"Everyone who has contributed their stories, and apologies, on this thread have done so out of aneed to set the record straight and prevent others from falling into the same hole... It has been a noble and truly healing experience, or so I think...lol!"
On that score, I am totally behind you, in that word getting out ahead of new converts is always a good thing. Notice how difficult it is to find any reference to the Ouija factor if you just show up at the Cass main site...they seem to want to cover up their Howdy-doody origins.
V: Yep... Donīt tell the newbies until they are in too deep to question the really screwy stuff...
"As for me, I´ll let go of the Tar Baby when the C Cult is no more and LKJ and Ark are in jail."
Seriously, what are the chances of that actually happening, given the cult´s apparent backers (Soros or whomever)?
V: Not my problem... I do what I do because I need to do it... Justice may be long delayed, but it is coming...
What do you actually suspect regarding these hidden pupeteers?
V: That in this case, even the pupeteers have pupeteers...
"Until then, I´ll continue to do my part, limited as it is, to make that happen."
Good luck, really.
Last question: What about the book Jay mentions in the LKJ correspondence, "Secret Architecture of Nature"? That seems to be a key element...
V: No, not really...
VB |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 996
10/20/2005 4:30 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
I read some of the cass stuff. It claims to be research driven, meaning they get some hints or answers from their channel, and then they have to research the info and validate and fill in the blanks and itīs among the most accurate channeled info available and the info they receive that can be validated always turns out to be right/true. Well hello! Jackpot!
Now I should admit I just got here so I donīt really know wtf. But most of what Iīve read in this thread seems to be dealing with the people involved, infighting, lies, backstabbing, deception and betrayal which is certainly enough to raise warning flags (anyone want to make a daytime drama television show about it? :). I havenīt read every page in this thread though because this is a lot.
Iīve only read the channeled txt presented from LJK as provided in edited snippets interspersed with long quotes and long winded commentary. I was wondering if anyone has taken it upon themselves to write a critique the material? Iīve checked this thread occasionally, and there was supposedly one prediction that was just blatantly wrong in the transcripts that was never published about a famous missing children case where the cass channel claimed they were alive somewhere and reality the mom had drowned them. Seems like a big whoopsie if their channel source is what it claims to be.
I find it interesting that all these channels to supposedly higher beings who can see the bigger picture of whatīs really going on, all provide conflicting stories about what the situation is, whatīs going on, the history of earth and civilization etc etc. Besides making someone feel good about themselves (youīre loved, youīll ascend, no more pain, etc), any "good" channeled text out there? It seems like the best solution is to ignore everyone and figure it out yourself. But it is tantalizing to imagine some higher source will tell us the truth and just hand us the answers/formula for success. What good is a message when you cannot verify its authenticity? Trust us. This is not a scam. Please donate :) |
| John Souttar
User ID: 11797
10/20/2005 1:49 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Dear Abraxus - I have replied several times to you but each time thought better of it. Here goes again.
Every cult needs its antithesis to stop it growing out of all proportion. Laura can never escape Vincent. Her fans will never completely trust her because of this. I have performed a similar function with another earlier (1974) alien channelling cult that went the other way Europe to Florida. You run your own group so you understand anti Abraxus stuff. Embarrassment, regret and humility are the most honourable emotions.
You have certainly missed the point of what I recorded and would have to go back a couple of months in this thread to see how it happened. My interest was around what was being channelled if anything not in the content. In the end I tried to channel it myself and got some very remarkable results. It was certainly intelligent - I got the feeling that there were past lives involved, but supported by something else. Also the Cass site and this thread presented themselves to me at the same time. I have settled in here where the natives are quite friendly (were)
This thing talked to me about density which is a word I dislike in its application around this forum. I also asked about time because these were both things that had been spoken about to Laura. I have no comment to make about what I was told and wrote above. This sort of stuff could be me or anyone else. Not a Cass or Sirian. Other things confirmed to me its ability to read things I did not know but which I have now checked out. It seems to have no affection for Laura. It is very interested in some of those who have been around her. What is happening now is much more than was happening before, with rubbish being talked at one extreme and truth balancing it. But Laura has a part in it and only a fool would think from what has happened to these special people that she does not have a special side too. I actually believe that Vincent and Laura will be reconciled one day because of the great debt they will owe each other.
But I am worried about you Abraxus. Unless you are the intelligence op. I figure you out to be the one inciting. Have you ever witnessed real channelling? It can fade like radio waves getting further away. Even the Koran has a different tone in the earlier writings compared with those that came later. In Lauraīs case she started channelling her own wishful thinking. This is often what people contact and can be scary - it knows you well and what frightens you. In my case I contacted something very powerful and connected intimately with all of this. If I could start a cult with that I would but I would want to check it out first. Those channels I completely trust do not seem to be hostile to the newcomer which is also encouraging.
Your vision of time etc is a bit anthropomorphic too. I have a much better working model of this. And it is not one where you have to believe something that you do not really understand. I am waiting for St Vinnie to ask me for the ms. Would you like me to ask them if you can experience them yourself - like in a dream? You need a good anti-virus programme though. Available on request. |
| Jodido
User ID: 8055
10/20/2005 2:59 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Re:
"given the cult´s apparent backers (Soros or whomever"
Do you mean that real rich guy, George Soros? Is that how ya spell his last name? You know, the one that has stated he will use all his riches to dethrone Bush....
I suspect he may be behing some left wing activity in the world. Like de-christianizing it, mainly using the court systems. E.G. taking down the Ten Commandments, taking the star off the Californian flag. Part of the whole fear of Muslim takeover...
Ya know, Muslim may be a re-birth of Marduk. They both use the same symbol, the cresecent moon.
I am biased; know Jesus to be the son of the One God. So, am not surprised by this Marduk resurgence, at this time. |
| Abraxas Incarnate
User ID: 33373
10/20/2005 8:45 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Hello friends, I will make a big reply to V later when time permits; for now, just a quick response to John, who wrote:
"But I am worried about you Abraxus."
Thatīs "AbraxAs" ;)
> Unless you are the intelligence op.
LOL now that is GREAT! I havenīt been accused of being an intel spook in a while ;) Interesting, thouhg- why would you think that? Have I given some specific reason to suspect me of being an "infiltrator"?
> I figure you out to be the one inciting.
"Inciting" what, exactly? I am quizzing V on these issues because, being who I am, and knowing V as I do, I am in a unique position to pose certain questions to and bring a certain viewpoint to the table that you will not get otherwise.
If calling attention to important aspects of the whole cult phenomenon is "incitement by an intel op", then I am "GUILTY".
> Have you ever witnessed real channelling?
Yes, very much so. I did active channeling of various beings for several years during my own cosmic contact cult. In one nine month period, my fellow cultists and I channeled over ninety different beings, including Sirians, Elkdr Gods, vampires, porjected spirits of humans both dead and alive, ourselves in the future and alternate timelines, the ghosts of various elves, demons, gods, you name it- we even channeled beings that we created ourselves using alchemical hocus pocus. Iīve seen and done it all, my friend.
> It can fade like radio waves getting further away.
That depends largely on your brain functions- channeling occurs in the corpus callosum, the bridge between hemispheres- the more flexible the corpus, the better your channeling skills.
Also, of course, the channeled beings can simply cut you loose...
More later... |
| anders
User ID: 34717
10/22/2005 4:50 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Good stuff. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 34727
10/22/2005 6:02 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
"I actually believe that Vincent and Laura will be reconciled one day because of the great debt they will owe each other."
Yup, and around and around the wheel of karma shall spin, until one is wise enough to let go of the other.
I wonder who shall be wise enough first,hate is counter productive to wisdom! |
| Anders
User ID: 34717
10/22/2005 6:20 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
hate is counter productive to wisdom!
puhleeeeze!!!!
if i may speak on Vincent´s behalf, i doubt very much indeed! if he ´hates´ Laura, and neither do I, or my friends, who have ALL been shafted by the L´Arks...
there is a BIG difference between this thread and a hate thread
this thread should serve as a warning to those tempted to get mixed up in her CULT
and as a means of coming to terms with what happened, for all us DUPES that were conned by Laura
it is not a case of one giving up or giving in
it is a case of JUSTICE
she stole $250,000 minimum, remember
and is still fleecing hundreds if not thousands of new dupes via her scams on her web site
this is SERIOUS
and folks have been HURT, emotionally, financially and etc etc by these CULTISTS
the sooner IMO the law catches up with them, the better |
| Anders
User ID: 34717
10/22/2005 6:24 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
I must get a life! Perhaps I should ring John Mullett.
LOL! |
| Anders
User ID: 34717
10/22/2005 6:36 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
On that score, I am totally behind you, in that word getting out ahead of new converts is always a good thing. Notice how difficult it is to find any reference to the Ouija factor if you just show up at the Cass main site...they seem to want to cover up their Howdy-doody origins.
PRECISELY!!! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 34727
10/22/2005 7:45 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
"and is still fleecing hundreds if not thousands of new dupes via her scams on her web site"
Cult? Fleecing?
Actually, I was at the chataeu last year attending the Quantum Future School, I came and went with my own free will, was treated well, we exchanged views and dismissed and accepted different views,even Laura was not adverse to changing her mind if someone offered a differing view to her own.
The great thing was, that I did not have to pay a penny.
It certainly did not appear to be a money making scam or a cult to me!
What is the definition of a cult?
People tend to give the label cult to any group they donīt understand. But what exactly is a true cult?
In our modern world of the new millennium, the word "cult" has become largely overused and is now a catch-all for any group, religion or lifestyle which someone doesnīt understand, or with which they happen to disagree. This is a dangerous trend, as many of the organizations labeled a cult by dissidents are truly legitimate groups. Once the taint of the term "cult" is applied to a particular group, it is often difficult to change that image to the public.
To avoid careless labeling which could be harmful to a group and its adherents, it is important to know just exactly what a cult is, and how it is defined. A cult, by modern standards, is any group that incorporates mind control to deceive, influence and govern its followers. Although most people think of cults as being religious, they can also be found in political, athletic, philosophical, racial or psychotherapeutic arenas.
The mind control, or brainwashing, exerted by cults often take the form of at least several of the following elements:
A totalitarian control over the lifestyle and time of its members - Many cults tend to dictate exactly what its followers should read, eat, how and with whom they should spend their time, and even what they should do in off hours. This totalitarian control is necessary for the leaders to indoctrinate the followers in everything they do, and is also an attempt to separate them from anything not associated with the cult. This is why cults often live together in groups.
A charismatic, self-appointed leader with complete authority - Cult members are taught not to question the teachings, practices, or ideas of the leader. Many cult leaders truly are charismatic people, and are able to influence people to believe them. It is common that a cult member is not told everything up front when joining the group, but that they are taught increasingly controlling ideas and teachings as they go. In the case of some of the more well-publicized cults that have come and gone, it is also common that the leaderīs ideas and demands evolve over time, becoming increasingly controlling and restrictive. One very clear identifying element dealing with the leader of a cult is that the leader will always focus the attention and veneration of the members upon himself or herself. At the heart of a cult usually lies a very self-centered and self-seeking person.
A focus on withholding truth from non-members - Many cults teach their followers to be completely open and truthful within the group, while at the same time they are encouraged to be secretive and evasive when questioned by people outside of the group. This is another form of mind control-instilling guilt in the members if they hold anything back within the group. The members are taught that outsiders wouldnīt understand or that they would only make fun of the ideas and practices and requirements for living within the group. Only specially-commissioned members are appointed to recruit members from outside. New members are usually encouraged to keep silent or even lie, especially to their families and close friends.
The three elements listed above are very successful ways to create a group mentality, an us-against-them way of looking at things. This is essential for any cult that wants to keep its members. The more afraid of the outside world the members become, the more strongly and faithfully they will keep within the safe fold of the cult.
[link to la.essortment.com] |
| Vincent Bridges
User ID: 34764
10/22/2005 9:18 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
"and is still fleecing hundreds if not thousands of new dupes via her scams on her web site"
Cult? Fleecing?
Actually, I was at the chataeu last year attending the Quantum Future School, I came and went with my own free will, was treated well, we exchanged views and dismissed and accepted different views,even Laura was not adverse to changing her mind if someone offered a differing view to her own.
The great thing was, that I did not have to pay a penny.
It certainly did not appear to be a money making scam or a cult to me!
V: Yep, LKJ is always on her best behavior when the newbies and recruits are around. She fooled me, remember. Did you wonder, or think to enquire if you did, how they went from virtual trailer trash in New Port Ritchie Florida to the "Chateau" in France? Any mention of that lottery scam? Iīll bet not...
What is the definition of a cult?
People tend to give the label cult to any group they don´t understand. But what exactly is a true cult?
A cult, by modern standards, is any group that incorporates mind control to deceive, influence and govern its followers. Although most people think of cults as being religious, they can also be found in political, athletic, philosophical, racial or psychotherapeutic arenas.
V: Oh yeah, the mind control aspect... That must be how LKJ convinced her followers that a very disturbed individual, who believes she is talking to aliens, or even herself in the future, through a Ouiji board, is now the only reliable of source of information in the world. LKJ didnīt even graduate from High School, she was in jail for attempted murder at the time, and her studies through the years have been as broad as they were shallow. Yet, reasonable people, including me for a time, have taken her seriously.
The mind control, or brainwashing, exerted by cults often take the form of at least several of the following elements:
A totalitarian control over the lifestyle and time of its members - Many cults tend to dictate exactly what its followers should read, eat, how and with whom they should spend their time, and even what they should do in off hours. This totalitarian control is necessary for the leaders to indoctrinate the followers in everything they do, and is also an attempt to separate them from anything not associated with the cult. This is why cults often live together in groups.
V: As those on this list who have been deeply involved can attest, thatīs just what LKJ does. First reading tons of propaganda to get into the inner circle, and then finding out there are more circles, with more entrance requirements, beyond that. Then of course, anyone who thinks you are too invovled with the group is a non-human OP out to suck your life force. So the member is subtly separated out from their family, friends and their normal life. The constant e-group reinforcement acts like the living together factor, and soon everyone is talking the sme, using the same key words and jargon, so that anyone outside the group is left wondering...
A charismatic, self-appointed leader with complete authority - Cult members are taught not to question the teachings, practices, or ideas of the leader. Many cult leaders truly are charismatic people, and are able to influence people to believe them. It is common that a cult member is not told everything up front when joining the group, but that they are taught increasingly controlling ideas and teachings as they go. In the case of some of the more well-publicized cults that have come and gone, it is also common that the leader´s ideas and demands evolve over time, becoming increasingly controlling and restrictive. One very clear identifying element dealing with the leader of a cult is that the leader will always focus the attention and veneration of the members upon himself or herself. At the heart of a cult usually lies a very self-centered and self-seeking person.
V: Boy is that ever a good description of LKJ and her role in the group...
A focus on withholding truth from non-members - Many cults teach their followers to be completely open and truthful within the group, while at the same time they are encouraged to be secretive and evasive when questioned by people outside of the group. This is another form of mind control-instilling guilt in the members if they hold anything back within the group. The members are taught that outsiders wouldn´t understand or that they would only make fun of the ideas and practices and requirements for living within the group. Only specially-commissioned members are appointed to recruit members from outside. New members are usually encouraged to keep silent or even lie, especially to their families and close friends.
V: Another spot-on hit! Check the informational material that goes with joining one of theri e-groups and youīll notice that members ar enjoined to not talk abou tthe material with anyone, even their family, who is outside the group. Labeling half the human race as OP, or soul-less non-humans, is a good way indeed to inculcate an atmosphere of us vs them... And all of us here who have been in the group can affirm that LKJ does in fact solicit and then use against one any personal information, flaws, hang-ups and personal problems she can uncover...
The three elements listed above are very successful ways to create a group mentality, an us-against-them way of looking at things. This is essential for any cult that wants to keep its members. The more afraid of the outside world the members become, the more strongly and faithfully they will keep within the safe fold of the cult.
[link to la.essortment.com]
V: You know, that was very convincing... I really know they are a cult now...LOL!
VB |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 34752
10/22/2005 9:50 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
So in that case, how does this...
"It is common that a cult member is not told everything up front when joining the group, but that they are taught increasingly controlling ideas and teachings as they go".
V: Boy is that ever a good description of LKJ and her role in the group...
equate with this?
"we exchanged views and dismissed and accepted different views,even Laura was not adverse to changing her mind if someone offered a differing view to her own". |
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