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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 15374
7/9/2005 11:07 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
"thinking maybe some folks here may have a hidden agenda to defame Laura K.J."
Anyone that reads the signs of the times page should know that there WILL be an agenda.
[link to signs-of-the-times.org] |
| Shrink
User ID: 15562
7/9/2005 1:38 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Hi OPie,
First of all, thank you for addressing my question, your response was eloquent and you didn’t twist or misinterpret a single one of my points, which I appreciate. Clearly there is something going on here, not that I know exactly what it is. But the poster with the user ID 738 does seem to have the same anger directed at Chandra that Chandra and yourself has against Jadzcyk. Obviously there are emotional investments on both sides of this story. I get that.
.........
“And Shrink, if you’re going to call Chandra to task for using Laura’s words as a guideline to her underlying psychopathy, then call Laura on the same thing.”
.........
I’m not involved in the personal conflict which seems to be brewing under the surface with these anonymous people on the internet. Frankly after getting a sample of it here, I really don’t want to be! Unless any of you want to pay me an hourly rate, of course ;)
All I know is that Chandra, a psychologist, came in here and started diagnosing someone she had never even met; and I questioned that. As far as I could make out it was Chandra’s lesbian partner, Dusty, who had gone to France and met the owners of the site. Am I missing something, have they met?
Well, whether they have or haven’t, I know I’m starting to feel a bit like a playground teacher, asking two conflicting parties to stop bickering and play nice. :)
......
“Anyone who was ever on the Cass group (as I suspect that you have been and probably still are)”
......
LOL! It seems a suspicious mindset doesn’t just come from the idea that someone might be without a soul - One can also see ‘cult followers’ around every corner, apparently! Someone else thought I was Laura (?!) Anyways, aside from the accusation, you actually did answer my question quite well.
.........
“But the question seems to be, is her work dangerous? Probably not really to the government, and not to the “matrix”, but it could well be dangerous to her readers. When people start leaving their loved ones because they’re told that they’re out to keep them from finding the truth, when they sell their nice little homes and give the money to Laura and Ark so they can continue to live in a large villa in southern France, when they’re stripped of everything they’ve ever held to be true and ripped away from their families and are given lies to fill the void, then, yes, it’s dangerous.”
...........
I hear you. And it’s a good point, OPie, I’ll thank you for your warning, and I am sorry something in that vein happened to you. I’m just not the type of person looking to be saved by space aliens or a guru or anything of the sort. Are there such people? Yes. Do such people get taken in by organisations seeking to exploit gullibility? Certainly.
I saw that Invictus already responded to this point, and I concur with what he said. I would like to believe, at least, that I’m a rational and intelligent human being. I’m a student, I’ll likely always be a student of one thing or another, and I enjoy thinking critically. I’m making critical thinking my profession. I think I can handle being exposed to unorthodox information. ;)
OK, I think I get the gist of everyone’s points now, so I’ll be off, thank you all for the chat and best of luck to all.
Shrink |
| Mojo in Mexico
User ID: 5324
7/9/2005 2:21 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
As Shrink noted:
***Dusty Starr : User ID 62
***Chandra Battershell: User ID 62
chandra battershell
User ID: 62 wrote:
**[…] A quick glance at the cassiopaea site indicates a definate anti-Israel stance and George soros is Jewish so I guess they must really be working for either Israel or one of their allies in the US. […]**
The claim that the Jadczyks are funded by Soros originated with Vincent Bridges. This was a twisting of an experience Ark and Laura had described here:
[link to www.cassiopaea.com]
We can therefore assume that Chandra is a shill for Vincent Bridges.
Dusty Starr
User ID: 62 wrote:
***Chandra has nailed Laura Knight jadczyk. I attended the Cassiopaeans quantum school in France last year. ***
The allegations in this post are the same type and in the same style as the libelous claims of Vincent Bridges.
We can therefore assume that Dusty Starr is also a shill for Vincent Bridges.
chandra battershell
User ID: 62 wrote:
***Dusty is my roommate and partner and no she isn´t Vincent bridges and neither am I. When she came home from France last year she was very upset about the waste of money. That is how I got involved in the cassiopaea material. I am a psychologist***
When you say “partner” do you mean “intimate” or “business?” That would mean that ´Chandra´ could be psychologist, with a chip on her shoulder about Laura ´offending´ her lesbian lover, Dusty, but it is more likely that whoever is writing these posts is writing under an alias, and is a man, who has some difficulty staying in “character.” Can we say COINTELPRO?.
****
chandra battershell
User ID: 550
7/4/2005
4:37 pm EDT wrote: ***plagarist***
StarrDust
User ID: 6545
7/7/2005
12:44 am EDT wrote: ***I do think Laura plagirizes.***
plagarist??
plagirizes??
Two supposedly different people making the same spelling error?
I think that the intelligent members of this forum can reasonably assume that Chandra and Dusty (as well as others, possibly) are all aliases of Vincent Bridges.
So, of course, inquiring minds want to know a bit about Mr. Bridges since he is so busy here on GLP. Here you will find the first of several documented pages about him though Laura has given him the courtesy of a pseudonymn: Maynerd Most. We all know that it’s Vincent Bridges. You can skip all the stuff about psychopaths and psychology and just scroll along until you find the fun:
[link to www.cassiopaea.com]
We read the following:
***The reader should note that, when the Perseus Research Team - now the Quantum Future Group - began its investigation of Mr. Bridges, the results - coincident with Bridges’ behavior - were almost incomprehensible to us. While Bridges seemed to be in full possession of reasoning ability, even a superior intellect, he repeatedly demonstrated a complete inability to comprehend the meaning and significance of his behavior. He was described by one of his earlier victims (who contacted us as a result of this investigation) as a "spiritual terrorist." As time has passed, other victims have contacted us with their stories and it has become increasingly clear that our assessment has been correct though we are unable to publish most of this personal information because his victims are still so traumatized and frightened of his "aggressive response when crossed" that they are unwilling to expose themselves to further "spiritual terrorism." ***
Further down, we learn exactly what this means.
***[From an informant: The above is a lie. Vincent was living on poverty row in a house at 21 Devonshire. He was involved with L** H**. She use to own W**** in Forsyth Co. Her family were the ones that funded what was Charter Hospital (a private psy hospital) in Winston, N.C. Charter has now been taken over by Bowman Grey Hospital and L** sold Wellsprings years ago. Vincent was a "friend" of L**´s and they worked together on W**** (a new age type of retreat). There was a falling out, L** tried to terminate relations with Vincent, but he wouldn´t let her. He set her property on fire and destroyed her possessions. After a scandal, W**** was sold due to community opposition and problems with a non-profit and Vincent was run out of town.] ***
If anybody is in Forsyth County, NC, they might want to look up the old newspaper files to get the lowdown on this incident.
Regarding plagiarism:
***Vincent Bridges first wrote to Laura in the spring of 1999. Mr. Bridges claimed to be writing a book about subjects which Laura had been researching for some time - alchemy and Fulcanelli - and she willingly shared all her data and answered his questions while he wrote his book. When Laura later read the book, she was disappointed to note that not only was it a shallow and juvenile treatment of the subjects, but that Bridges had obviously been utilizing the information Laura had freely given to him to write his book, though clearly he had either deliberately misinterpreted her comments, or had been incapable of the depth of thought required to "grok" them. The correspondence lapsed. (This correspondence is archived with all headers intact and is available to legitimate researchers upon request.) ***
Now, go here:
[link to www.cassiopaea.com]
and then here:
[link to www.cassiopaea.com]
On the above page, you will find a link to the complete correspondence between Laura and Vincent Bridges at the beginning of their "acquaintance." If you read this fascinating correspondence carefully, it will become apparent who actually stole material from whom. (Scroll to the link in “separate files”)
Now, this exchange tells us a bit about Laura long before she wrote the Wave or anything else. She comes off as quite naïve in the ways of the world, but hell on wheels when it comes to research. She was obviously thrilled to have someone to talk to about her favorite subjects. It takes a careful reading to see how little Vincent gives, and how carefully he milks the source. The conversation is a fascinating match between a person on the way to being an adept, and a wannabe poseur. Laura finally figures it out. The very last letter she wrote to Bridges reveals her supreme disappointment that the person she looked to for guidance was - well - a humbug.
Go here also for more published correspondence which reveals Laura’s work before Vincent Bridges that should settle the question of plagiarism:
[link to www.cassiopaea.com]
Notice also that Vincent Bridges AKA “Dr Strange” was involved in his own “channeling” some years back.
[link to www.soulinvitation.com]
which, apparently, didn’t fly.
Then, there is the evidence that Bridges is a hacker and thief:
[link to www.cassiopaea.com]
For an insider’s take on Vincent Bridges, read his former partner’s correspondence with Laura starting here:
[link to www.cassiopaea.com]
Coming back to the “report on Vincent Bridges,” the most hilarious part of the whole thing is his attempt to avoid dealing with the plain facts that he lied again and again and again. His weaseling is amazingly similar to Chandra and Dusty. Search for “Walpurgisnacht” and “Fodora” to read the email exchanges on this one! ROTFLMAO!!!
Then, there is “identity theft.” You can find that one by searching for “Bozarth.” Seems Bridges stole somebody else’s credentials and credit for their work, only he forgot to make sure they were dead!
Toward the bottom of this report (skip the analytical stuff and just go straight to the juicy parts) you will see some images including a photo of the run-down duplex where Bridges lived while claiming to be a successful psychotherapist. That must be where Chandra and Dusty live too.
But most interesting of all is the last item, an excerpt from an email from some strange person who connects Vincent Bridges to Drunvalo Melchizedek and Lyssa Royale and that whole gang. It says:
From: "wiolawa72" .luke gato had a sacred geometry conf..in denver in 98 and stan said he would sue the participants because of dan..[...] conference participants..ie michael heleus..etc....[...]well it wasnt till a little later that dan brought holt to my house.. and holt set up an assassination plot.. headed my way with drunvalo...then dan had [Maynerd] and his wife do a ritual with sekmet at bell rock in sedona. all nite and a crowley exericise in futility to the ophanim.... i didnt like that either..as they were using my timeshare.... [...] ron holt was drunvalos major jackass assistant.. and he is married to lyssssa royal.. yerka..was the czech.. who funded drunvalo.bought him a million $$$ house temple.whatever in prescott.. drug money king.. also funded hoagy... all that is a long story.... i got out of the assassination attempt thanx to dennis banks of aim.. police also trying to get drunvalo.. coca...etc..yes he is a snake....sedona is headquartersfor much nwo shit..solarcapstone.org.
At last we find the connection: Obviously, “yerka” “the czech who funded Drunvalo” is Jirka Rysavy, the Czech millionaire who is a CIA front man. Drunvalo is most definitely part of the so-called New Age COINTELPRO. Jirka was buddies with John Ramsay who, together with his wife, were accused by many of murdering their little girl JonBenet. Interesting that Bridges wrote a piece about this, an “apologia” for John Ramsay, pointing the finger at strange cults and ritual abuse. Now that’s a straw man if ever I saw one.
All in all, Bridges is a most unsavory character and it is really sad to see any member of this great forum get taken by this bozo. |
| Mojo in Mexico
User ID: 5324
7/9/2005 2:40 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
OPie wrote:
***I was a member of the inside group at Cass for many years until I finally paid attention to the red flags and creepy feelings I’d been trying desperately to ignore, and quit.***
"It often happens that, having stopped before some barrier, usually the smallest and the most simple, people turn against the work, against the teacher, and against other members of the group, and accuse them of the very thing that is becoming revealed to them in themselves.
"Sometimes they repent later and blame themselves, then they again blame others, then they repent once more, and so on. But there is nothing that shows up a man better than his attitude towards the work and the teacher after he has left it. Sometimes such tests are arranged intentionally. A man is placed in such a position that he is obliged to leave and he is fully justified in having a grievance either against the teacher or against some other person. And then he is watched to see how he will behave. A decent man will behave decently even if he thinks that he has been treated unjustly or wrongly. But many people in such circumstances show a side of their nature which otherwise they would never show. And at times it is a necessary means for exposing a man´s nature. So long as you are good to a man he is good to you. But what will he be like if you scratch him a little?" Gurdjieff
Looks like someone has sent an email to Laura.
[link to www.cassiopaea.org]
Scroll down for the "update" |
| anon
User ID: 8634
7/9/2005 4:24 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
That’s just my opinion, but it’s based on some facts and reasonable observations. It’s also not intended to harm anyone, but to help.
lol
suuure
a Laura attack hound has been unleashed. |
| anon
User ID: 8634
7/9/2005 4:31 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
I agree that if Laura K .J. was wanted by the F.B.I then it is my belief that the French would have extradited her on a request from said alphabet people.
Rubbish - an extradition costs mega thousands of euros/dollars - and is FAR from straightforward. Often the US authorities based on DA and STATE advice and so on will give up. It is all down to money and perceived benefits. And of course who has an ´in´ with the decision makers. |
| anon
User ID: 8634
7/9/2005 4:35 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
sol invictus as usual cannot help him/herself from playing intellectiual games
who you are, what your agenda is,
what agenda???
opie has told the truth
YOU invictus are masturbating intellectually on the outside
I have told the truth
it is a very simple scenario - think Jonestown, think Kool Aid |
| AC Invictus
User ID: 3888
7/9/2005 6:25 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Anon, please, don´t make me play the wounded victim to score some cheap debate points ;) It´s not a role I particularly relish, nor does it seem to have done Chandra, you, or OPie much good...
You can continue to insult me all you like though I´ve been nothing but perfectly civil throughout this entire thread. In fact, I didn´t even start being condescending until Chandra offered to sell me London Bridge ;) Surely turnabout is fair play?
My interest then, as now, has been to find a small semblance of truth. You actually almost had me for a while, I was sort of beginning to sympathize with your point of view. However after this completely unprovoked outburst of yours, I can´t help but wonder if *you* weren´t to blame for the "personality dispute" that you had with the Cass people.
I´ve only have to deal with you over a message board, and even from just that tiny interaction, I´m now begining to question whether I want any more to do with you. Imagine if we worked together in real life and we (well, to be honest you) started an argument... you´d probably somehow think I was to blame for the whole thing and go around on message boards calling me a psycho, cheat, liar, etc...
I´m sorry anon, but I think you missed a very good opportunity to remain silent ;) I was actually done participating in this thread...
 |
| Anders (BBM)
User ID: 8634
7/9/2005 6:56 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
I have a copy of a legal document in front of me, prepared by sharon pittman and david carter, attorneys at law, 7419 US highway 19, new port richey FL 34652-1240
YOU CAN SEE IT FOR YOURSELF HERE
[link to appraiser.pascogov.com]
AND HERE
[link to appraiser.pascogov.com]
it is the sale document, the plot no-09-26-16-0030-11700-0070
it describes the sale by Laura and Ark of the house that was supposed to have been give away in a raffle 5 days after the raffle draw date of 16th january 2003
the document lists Laura´s address in France, and Laura and Ark signed the sale deed via a French Notary - with a French Notary´s official stamp
an August 22nd 2003 sale (7 months, 28 weeks LATE - 28 weeks AFTER the house title deed should have been signed over for ZERO DOLLARS!) of an
alleged $200,000 property (LMAO), as per Laura´s sc, er, raffle blurb
see here [link to web.archive.org]
to generate a heady and greedy $300k
(Anders - and to my interpretation of the relevant NON-PROFIT AND CHARITY laws, totally illegal...)
which went for a measly, MEASLY $95,100!!!!!
LMAO! If it wasn´t such a rip-off!
that is $105,000 LESS than Laura said to all the raffle ticket buyers!
´One lucky ticket holder will win the approximately 3,000 sq. ft, 6-bedroom, 2-bath, 2 living room, double lot (100X 150 feet) home located in the quiet, picturesque, small town of New Port Richey, Florida. The home´s market value is $200,000. You may obtain more than one ticket, however, a limit of 6,000 are available.´
BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY - IT WAS ***SOLD*** BY LAURA AND ARK TO THE SWANSON FAMILY!!!
YES, YOU HEARD IT - SOLD FOR $95,100
$104,900 BELOW LAURA´S FICTIONAL MARKET PRICE!
WHEN ACCORDING TO LAURA AND ARK THEY HAVE SAID FOR YEARS THAT THEY ***GAVE*** THE PROPERTY AWAY IN A HOUSE SC, ER, RAFFLE!!!
SO WHERE IS THE WINNER LAURA AND ARK???
IS IT THE SWANSONS???
DO ´WINNERS´ OF RAFFLES NORMALLY PAY $95,100 FOR THEIR PRIZE???
IF I ENTER A RAFFLE TO WIN A PORSCHE 911, I DO NOT EXPECT TO BE GIVEN A PORSCHE BOXSTER AT HALF THE VALUE!
AND I DO NOT EXPECT TO SEE THE ORGANISERS OF SAID RAFFLE TO NOT GIVE THE PORSCHE 911 AWAY, FREE, TO A RANDOMLY CHOSEN WINNER PER THE TERMS OF THE RAFFLE, THEN TO FIND OUT YEARS LATER THAT THE ORGANISERS SECRETLY SOLD THE PRIZE 911 (REALLY A LOUSY BOXSTER) YEARS BEFORE, SOME 28 WEEKS AFTER THE LEGAL DRAW DATE!!!
WHAT AN ALMIGHTY RIP-OFF!!!!!!! THEY SELL THE HOUSE AND POCKET ALL THE RAFFLE MONEY TOO???
EVEN IF THE HOUSE SC, ER, RAFFLE WAS LEGIT - YOU HAVE FALSELY ADVERTISED A $200K HOME TO BE WON, AT $50 A TICKET, WHEN IN FACT THE DUMP IS WORTH LESS THAN HALF THAT - BY RIGHTS ALL TICKET HOLDERS, AND THERE ARE SEVERAL THOUSAND OF THEM BY ALL ACCOUNTS, SHOULD HAVE SOMETHING IN THE ORDER OF $27 PER TICKET RETURNED TO THEM!
Anon, please,
fuggit sol, i am anders, we know each other, lets cut the crap, i always thought u were a good guy, and i still do
don´t make me play the wounded victim to score some cheap debate points ;)
cut to the chase
do you believe what i am saying about laura? and what went on?
i shd add i am a VERY close friends of opie, and he/she is honest in extremis - everything he/she ssys above, I know to be true.
It´s not a role I particularly relish, nor does it seem to have done Chandra, you, or OPie much good...
sure it does, this is good, is v good to get THE TRUTH into the open, do you agree?
Pls do not quote the 3 versions of truth again, i/we know them - perhaps you could address all the things I and opie said...???
would that be possible???
You can continue to insult me all you like
U know my style, sol, nothing personal
though I´ve been nothing but perfectly civil throughout this entire thread.
suuuure, read YOU subtext sol, and peculiar pop person shring from Ireland (jjes, I wonder who THAT might be!!!) go back and read it, LOL
In fact, I didn´t even start being condescending until Chandra offered to sell me London Bridge ;) Surely turnabout is fair play?
games, sol
My interest then, as now, has been to find a small semblance of truth.
wow!!!!
you backed me up on many occasions on 911 and other obscure topics here at glp over the years
and i thought to myself, ´old sol invictus is a really cool person, head switched on´ etc etc
yet here i am telling u the truth, and opie, and others, chandra, and u STIL LOL gotta ...
fuck about
You actually almost had me for a while, I was sort of beginning to sympathize with your point of view.
Do you now?
Giime and all of us an honest answer.
I think shrink is a gofer, so i expect HE will tout the part line.
However after this completely unprovoked outburst of yours,
Fuck no! It was PROVOKED, by you and Shrink, and poor old fererico, wow, that dude is gonna wake up and realise santa clause does not exist.
I can´t help but wonder if *you* weren´t to blame for the "personality dispute" that you had with the Cass people.
LOL! Well, you know the way I talk here at GLP - at Cass I toned down my style big time. No swearing, no F words, apple pie. Extrapolate the rest. Fact is I and many others SAW and EXPERIENCED the BS from Laura. I was part of the KULT for maybe 2-3 years ----> I think I know who Chandra is too. A woman who has been HURT just as much as me, amd my fiends, if not worse, I KNOW many folks that have SOLD THEIR HOUSES to go to France, have DIVORCED their spouses/partners, have DONATED monies and so on
do you get it yet Sol???
Old leprachaun LMAO Shrink WILL NOT get it, and will come bak with some BS, guaranteed...
I´ve only have to deal with you over a message board, and even from just that tiny interaction, I´m now begining to question whether I want any more to do with you.
Sure, because I disguised my Brit spellings and so on. That is why I signed on as anon etc obviously
You see NOW perhaps how LAURA got away with it so long???
Maybe u have an ego problem sol, you certainly did not suss me.
Imagine if we worked together in real life and we
WE DID WORK TOGETHER
MULTIPLE GLP DAILY THREADS
MANY MONTHS OVER POST 911 HERE, and OTHER GLP MATTERS
get it???
Jeez, sol, if u cannot even suss ME, how the fuck are u going to suss the laura and ark SWITCHEROO???
LOL
same goes for shrink and frederico!
(well, to be honest you) started an argument... you´d probably somehow think I was to blame for the whole thing and go around on message boards calling me a psycho, cheat, liar, etc...
I know that U ARE NOT - which is why I said it, get it??? Have u learnt a fucking LESSON sol???
Cos I DID, with Laura and her GANG!!!
IT cost me, no joke, I would say, many hundreds of thousand of doillars, if not millions... at leats 2-3 4 million... but that is another story, as of now i am down an easy $500,000 +++
I´m sorry anon, but I think you missed a very good opportunity to remain silent ;) I was actually done participating in this thread..
then participate
what say you?
have u a bruised ego?
Have u learnt anything?
Still think I am a liar?
opie??? thinks he/she is a liar???
think chandra is a liar???
My best sol, you always backed me up before, and I will ALWAYS do the same with my friends - alas Laura and Ark did the dirty on me, I would not trust them as far as I could spit into a Cat 7 |
| frederico Gonzalez
User ID: 11570
7/9/2005 8:28 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Anon wrote:
Fuck no! It was PROVOKED, by you and Shrink, and poor old fererico, wow, that dude is gonna wake up and realise santa clause does not exist.
(I say)
What the heck have i provoked?
All ive asked for is proof, you know ,the truth.
And if asking for proof,the truth, makes folks react in such a way as to turn the written language into a form of expletives F this and F you, then what can one say ?
it seems a misconception by you and others that reacting in this way must mean that this counts for truth, one has to say it does not......
Obviously.
I do not believe in Santa Clause.although i did wait up all night when i was much younger to see if he would turn up.....
Also i think your trying to pull on Sol`s emotions with your we are old buddy routine......
That sure is some form of bullying.
Still no evidence has been produced here, that says Laura K.J. and The signs of the times folks are demons incarnate i strongly now doubt that there is any.
This thread seems to have been started so that folks can just throw mud at her and the folks over there at Cassiopaea.....
I smell mischief and will have nothing to do with it any longer
maybe the thread should be renamed "Listen to us throw mud at Laura and the Cassiopaens"
I have an open mind regarding Aliens, channeling and whatever and from what ive read over at Signs and Cass,many of the things they write could actually be possable.
I shall pass by to see if any truth is ever produced here,or if every time it is asked for, it is evaded and the written language becomes like that which i have seen on lavatory walls. |
| free publicity
User ID: 17485
7/10/2005 3:06 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
thread started to promote laura´s book |
| Sol Invictus
User ID: 3888
7/10/2005 4:53 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Well damn, Anders, I wish you´d just posted as yourself in the first place! Why didn´t you? Like you say, you and I go way back, and I´ve never found you to have any agenda except the truth. No hard feelings btw, lol, I know it´s just your style - as you know that my previous posts just reflect my own. Of course I do have an ego, but it doesn´t bruise that easily :)
Not that I always treat issues as a a "debate to be won, and opponents to be discredited", I´m all too willing to honestly discuss things if people are up front and open minded as you know. I didn´t start treating this thread as an exercise in hammering home an abstract point until Chandra got me thinking that she had an "agenda", by stubbornly refusing to discuss with me. She resorted to cheesy debate tactics first, so I countered.
You and OPie got caught in the cross fire since I was already in "win the debate" mode at that point, even if looking back you never claimed any association with her. Sorry about that, I guess I got carried away after deciding that this thread would never resolve anything :P
Anyways, where does this leave me then? I´ll admit to a bias of my own of course, since I am familiar with the site and I´ve got a friend who has positive experiences with the group. I´ll take that experience as more valid than the words of strangers on a message board who may or may not have an agenda and have no "smoking gun". But then you show up, and I know you from your posting history that you are not obsessed with destroying Cassiopaea since this is only the second time I´ve ever seen you post about them. The other time you just told me to "be careful", IIRC, and left it at that.
Since I can´t treat this thread as an exercise, or even a game if you will, anymore... then I´m really kind of back to square one. People show up under varias aliases and start discrediting the site. Then other people show up trying to discredit Vincent Bridges. Lots of people, myself included, say all the evidence is circumstantial and based on a "take my word for it" approach and that we should judge the *material* on its own merits. I still think so, btw.
Now I don´t think you´re a liar, Anders, but I know my friend is not a brain washed cult member either. That´s not necessarily two irreconcilable thoughts, though.
I do wish that Cass memhers had showed up openly, issued a "statement" refuting the allegations, and maybe given that information on VB to counter his own links too. All I saw was allegations of misconduct countered by reciprocal allegations. There has so far been no "moral or mature highground" established on either side, since all that´s been done is trying to lower the position of the opponent and each side has been quite almost equally succesful in doing so. Thus, I guess to me... the discussion is still open, even if I can´t participate in it anymore.
Not that I don´t want to, it´s been very interesting so far. It´s just that unless clear irrefutable proof is presented, this really is a character dispute. The only way to win a character dispute (where it´s a he-said-she-said thing) is in my experience to discredit your opponent and question his or her motives, or maybe poke him or her once or twice and make them appear unstable. Well, I don´t want to do that with you, since I don´t think you have any agenda except the truth. The same may go for the Cass people, but I just wish they´d come out and say it then.
I´ll be keeping an eye on this thread... if it continues, it could get really messy I think :P
In the end though, it won´t change anything for me, since I´m not associated with the site in any way. I´m *still* glad I went there, and I still read signs-of-the-times almost daily. If I had any interest in warning people about potentially dodgy characters, it would take up all my time. Maybe if I´d gotten closer involved, I would have been in complete agreement with you, and I´m sure if that was the case then I too would be motivated to get back at them... but I didn´t, so I guess I´ll never really know what the "truth" of this whole thing is.
Unless of course there´s clear irrefutable evidence, but I still don´t think that´s been brought forth. In my mind, Chandra has been discredited to my satisfaction, if only because I do think she´s VB. Otherwise she wouldn´t go on and on about plagiarism. You and OPie have not, however, and like I said - I did sympathize with your viewpoint. Especially since there were no Cass members coming forth to refute it. Not openly, at least.
Edit: And I´d be interested in hearing how you could lose so much money! If you say that you gave them the money, they promised to give you back more since they could invest it with the help of the "Cassiopaeans" and then they lost it all, pretending to never know you afterwards, then I´ll agree - they´re scum.
If it´s something less clear cut though, like I don´t know, maybe you yourself made an investment (with their encouragement) and then it turned out to be based on false information (which you and they both thought was true) then it´s more of a grey area to me...
See what I mean? |
| Anders (BBM)
User ID: 17509
7/10/2005 7:40 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Now I don´t think you´re a liar, Anders, but I know my friend is not a brain washed cult member either. That´s not necessarily two irreconcilable thoughts, though.
few within Laura´s present set-up (Cult) DO know the gory details - those that KNOW what really went on are precious few
why?
because ark initiated pogroms and those that spoke up were banished to the wilderness
that includes myself and many more folks
the fallout is painful for those that did invest a lot of time and energy and MONEY with Laura and Co.
did you know that at the first cass mtng in florida folks flew in from oz, ireland, all over the usa and canada, hawaii, uk, norway, russia, france, the far east - pretty much everywhere?
do you know that several of these folks have made large, to VERY large donations to let laura and ark live high on the hog in a chateau?
see next |
| Anders (BBM)
User ID: 17509
7/10/2005 7:44 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
I do wish that Cass memhers had showed up openly, issued a "statement" refuting the allegations
they rarely do
they prefer to let threads like this run out of steam
and how can they refute something that is patently true?
a friend of mine - i was at his house in california, in orange county - nice guy, a cass devotee, had all the books, the transcripts, laura could do no wrong in his eyes - he actually SOLD his house in ca, worth over a half a million bux, and he did this because the Cs talked of earth changes and CA slipping into the pacific (he was half a mile from the ocean) - next we hear he has turned up at the chateau with half a million bux in his pockets, sold his house, resigned from his job, and he is not of retiring age...
i wonder what happened to that dough??? |
| Anders (BBM)
User ID: 17509
7/10/2005 7:46 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Unless of course there´s clear irrefutable evidence, but I still don´t think that´s been brought forth. In my mind, Chandra has been discredited to my satisfaction, if only because I do think she´s VB.
i though chandra might possibly be vb too, but now i know she isn´t - i remember her from the group, chandra is very genuine and is who she says she is |
| Anders (BBM)
User ID: 17509
7/10/2005 7:52 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Edit: And I´d be interested in hearing how you could lose so much money! If you say that you gave them the money, they promised to give you back more since they could invest it with the help of the "Cassiopaeans" and then they lost it all, pretending to never know you afterwards, then I´ll agree - they´re scum.
If it´s something less clear cut though, like I don´t know, maybe you yourself made an investment (with their encouragement) and then it turned out to be based on false information (which you and they both thought was true) then it´s more of a grey area to me..
i can´t go into full details, but it is over a million bux in opportunity cost if u get my drift - i had a job with an elite financial company, paying the best financial matching benefits in the usa bar none, 4-1 ratio, i remember my interview with HR on my 1st day and she told me she was a millionaire in the 401k, and that most secretaries with 10+yrs service were also millionaires, it was that sort of place, and I was induced, since getting mixed up with laura and the Cs, to leave this job, to jack it all in, to seek enlightenment and all the other baloney laura and her group promoted
fortunately for me i was booted by laura for asking the wrong questions, this before i could turn up in france loaded down with money from my 401k and so on
since leaving i have missed out on amassing a million bux, and that is not a joke, and once you have a million it is far easier to double and treble it,
it´s only money, what the hey...
however, my leaving was not a *direct* inducement or request from laura - i did it from a sense of not wishing to work any longer for a parasitical organization, one of the main reasons - but when i think of my current circumstances and what i missed out on, well, i keep going back to my involvement with laua and the Cs - had i never heard of them or got mixed up with them i would now be set for life rather than having to graft every day like most of us
i know of several mbrs now at the chateau that sold up houses, businesses, left jobs, left partners and are now full blooded cult members of 2 yrs +++ |
| cass group member
User ID: 17516
7/10/2005 8:46 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Anders (BBM) User ID: 33
7/9/2005
6:56 pm EDT
wrote:
"LOL! Well, you know the way I talk here at GLP - at Cass I toned down my style big time. No swearing, no F words, apple pie. Extrapolate the rest. Fact is I and many others SAW and EXPERIENCED the BS from Laura. I was part of the KULT for maybe 2-3 years ----> I think I know who Chandra is too. A woman who has been HURT just as much as me, amd my fiends, if not worse, I KNOW many folks that have SOLD THEIR HOUSES to go to France, have DIVORCED their spouses/partners, have DONATED monies and so on
do you get it yet Sol???"
I´m a member of the cass group, and I
would like to respond to Anders.
Here is something else that this individual has written:
From: "Andrew Rowland" <arowland@**********.com>
To: <lark2@ozline.net>
Subject: Andy here...
Date sent: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 14:36:12 -0600
Hello Laura,
I just got off the phone with the cass group member in UK, who was kind enough to get in contact with me - she left a message yesterday for me, with her phone number. Anyway, I have no excuses. My friend from Denver was leaving London on Wednesday morning - so on Tuesday we went out to a night-club after going on a pub crawl since 6pm and at 1 am I ended up buying some L$%. Or that´s what he said it was. A tiny tab. Lee went to his hotel, and after I got home I went on the keyboard instead of just putting on some headphones and letting the experience wash over me. No excuses, but I´ve not tried it before and it was a mess. I don´t know why I did it. I don´t know why I went on the keyboard. I started getting paranoid and was sure that my PC was being accessed by spooks via back-orifice as I was typing. Crazy. I sent you one message as this was happening, thinking you wouldn´t get it:
"Hi Laura,
hope you get this,
this is andy from the uk
i doubt, quite fdrankly, if you´ll get this,
i´m yuping this
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Rowland" < <mailto:arowland@**********.com>
arowland@**********.com>
To: < <mailto:lark2@ozline.net> lark2@ozline.net>
Sent: 14 September 2001 14:58
Subject: Re: Fw: Mode of Operation
I don´t know what to think anymore. I don´t know why I didn´t finish the note above before hitting send.
I checked into a hotel yesterday, just to get away from my surroundings for 24 hours, and this morning I just tried to log on to the C group (to see what I´d said, before talking to K***) but have been removed, so was unable to read what I´d written, and I have little recollection of what I was saying, or failing to say. I used to post from the web site so have no e-mail copies. K*** said I was rambling and had typed in notes from previous posts. And that I was swearing and misspelling and not answering replies. I don´t know why I pasted in my phone number either - other than the obvious, that I wanted to talk to somebody. So I have no excuses. If you could convey my apologies to the group, and of course to you and Ark too, I would be grateful. As I just explained to Kristine R
(I just sent her a note) -
"Thanks for the note... "the world like it really is..." - not too
pretty
from my POV. The recent George debacle, the state of my book (non)
progress,
what´s going on with the WTC - what I´ve learned about 4d and the next
few
years."
I´m ashamed and embarrassed and worried. I bought E. Fiore´s book a while back about SRT (for a reason, but I never followed up on it.) I wanted to learn more about what is possible, so, after reading it I´m sure I must have (at least) one attachment (probably multiple), which would account for my behaviour. I did my own SRT as recommended by her, made a tape recording, played it twice before going to sleep. I can´t figure out why I did what I did. So I want to follow up on that and try and find someone here in London that could at least address that. Apart from the personal tragedy of WTC, and all the spook activity on the list, I don´t think I´ve ever felt such a sense of intense depression. What I was writing about was so close to what happened in NYC, and the realisation that over a year´s worth of work might have to be trashed, or at least have major re-writes -- remember how you felt a few weeks ago when you thought you´d lost your work? I wouldn´t visit that feeling on anyone.
Thanks for listening, not sure what happens next.
My sincere apologies once again.
Andy
***********
Due to his erratic behavior, Andy was removed from the group. His above "apology" was shared with the group so that they could vote on whether to readmit him. Based on his "apology" and even though there were a number of "negatives" in the discussion which followed, Laura was in favor of giving him another chance to remain in the group. It was the group´s belief after this incident (above) that he would get support in the group to kick the tendencies described. So, he was readmitted after this incident. Then, he did it again. After many more experiences, including dozens of requests from Laura for him to NOT go out on the internet and post flame attacks against Vincent Bridges, he was finally removed permanently.
Anders and OPie worked together (with several others) to create the report on Vincent Bridges. Seems they got infected.
[link to www.cassiopaea.com]
In addition, Anders repeatedly was writing on the cass list (when he was a member) about "big money", "big business" and was generally a "big talker" with no substantive data to back it up, not unlike what he has demonstrated here on this board.
Is this a person whose perceptions of "truth" you would trust?
Does anyone here see the incongruity of an individual joining such a group under what - he now reveals - were false pretenses? Just how reliable can such a person be in any context? Can anybody trust somebody who would play that kind of game, lie and pretend in the group, and then - when he is kicked out because his real self keeps coming to the surface - have the nerve to attack the group itself that believed his lies, believed in him, and gave him trust and fellowship? |
| Sol Invictus
User ID: 3888
7/10/2005 8:51 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Well I can definitely see your point, Anders, and if we ARE going to discuss the behind-the-scenes workings of the group, then I have to agree provisionally with your assessment. I´m getting kind of a bad taste in my mouth standing up for people who won´t (or can´t) stand up for themselves.
At first this was just a little "hey come on, the site is interesting no matter what else" point I was trying to make. Then I got sucked into the whole thing, and I kept hoping that Cass members would come and take over, especially at the point where it became obvious they were aware of the discussion. They probably did come, but it was under assumed identities of "oh I´m not an insider, here is my objective view".
Whoever Chandra may be, she hasn´t come clean, because she never admitted she was anything other than a psychiatrist whose room-mate had a bad experience with the Cass people. If she comes clean, like you and OPie did, I´m sure her position will be more credible, to me, at least.
What it really comes down to, when we´re having this discussion then, is "are they a dangeroud cult?" Gah, I´m getting that bad taste in my mouth defending them again now, but in the spirit of fairness what you say about selling houses and getting divorced isn´t necessarily cult behavior.
I mean, if I gathered a group of people together with similar interests, I wanted to pool the resources to buy a castle somewhere and pursue XYZ goals, like I don´t know - write the greatest book the world has ever seen. It wouldn´t necessarily be "cultish" if people got divorced because one side didn´t want to go... people get divorced for a number of reasons, going separate ways to let one party pursue their "dream" is not a bad reason. If someone sold their house to contribute to the "castle idea", well I wouldn´t consider that taking advantage of them either.
It would only be a cult if I then took advantage of all this, put the money in a secret bank account, served them all poisoned drinks, and went off to live out the high life in Vegas with my ill-gotten gains. Unless they actually ripped people off to that same degree (which I´m afraid the jury is still out on) then we can´t quite call it a cult, anymore than any other organization is. How many people leave friends and family to join a monastery? I´m sure some do, but monasteries are monasteries, not cults.
I agree though, that there IS a degree of cult-like behaviour being exhibited here. It´s the "oh no we can´t tell them, they won´t understand... here good... outside bad" mentality. You said you were booted for asking "the wrong questions", and I think it would be very helpful if you could say what they were.
By their approach, I can only conclude that they are dismissing this whole thing as an "attack of the matrix" upon them, that their arch-nemesis VB inspired. I may have been inclined to let them think just that, Chandra only reinforced that notion. But then you showed up, and though I trust my good friend more than I trust you (no offense, just normal rational behaviour since you and I have never met) I DO trust you more than Laura et al.
As they say "The Truth Fears no Questions". It may be enough for the board insiders to dismiss these allegations as lies spouted by malicious liars, but I´d like the truth! LOL, and yes, I think I and everyone else can handle it :P
PS: Well I see a Cass member has finally posted, so I´ll just post this now, and maybe write another one later if my POV changes! I´ll just go read that post above mine now... |
| Sol Invictus
User ID: 3888
7/10/2005 9:17 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Hmmm... Cassie Group Member, I´m not sure if you just shot yourself in the foot there. Airing 4 year old private emails is hardly proving anything, especially when this has already turned into a "who has the most dirt on who" competition. While I appreciate your coming forth openly, I was hoping for a more clear, concise, rational dismissal of the accusations rather than another character assasination.
As in "I´m not a cult member, for example I disagree with the way VB was handled, we are encouraged to think critically and independently at all times, and we too live and learn from our past mistakes". What you just did was reinforce the notion that you have an "us vs them" mentality, no better than Republicans thinking Democrats are pure evil, or whatever else. Hardly very enlightened, especially coming from a board where (as I understand it) you are aiming to find the "objective truth."
Now I still don´t think you are all part of an evil cult, because my friend is not, but is it really so hard to refute things in an open and rational manner? I just did my best to refute the "cult idea" in my post above; it´s not always a cult if people give up things to join a specific group. It *is* a cult though if you don´t allow dissenting opinions and can only dismiss them as coming from crazy people. Not a real sinister cult with cool aid and all, but more like the diet coke version of one. You know, like the diehard Republicans, the fundy Xtians, etc, etc.
I had kind of hoped you´d be better than that, because your site IS very interesting. |
| Anders (BBM)
User ID: 17509
7/10/2005 9:24 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
In addition, Anders repeatedly was writing on the cass list (when he was a member) about "big money", "big business" and was generally a "big talker" with no substantive data to back it up, not unlike what he has demonstrated here on this board.
Is this a person whose perceptions of "truth" you would trust?
Does anyone here see the incongruity of an individual joining such a group under what - he now reveals - were false pretenses? Just how reliable can such a person be in any context? Can anybody trust somebody who would play that kind of game, lie and pretend in the group, and then - when he is kicked out because his real self keeps coming to the surface - have the nerve to attack the group itself that believed his lies, believed in him, and gave him trust and fellowship?
nders (BBM) User ID: 33
7/9/2005
6:56 pm EDT
wrote:
"LOL! Well, you know the way I talk here at GLP - at Cass I toned down my style big time. No swearing, no F words, apple pie. Extrapolate the rest. Fact is I and many others SAW and EXPERIENCED the BS from Laura. I was part of the KULT for maybe 2-3 years ----> I think I know who Chandra is too. A woman who has been HURT just as much as me, amd my fiends, if not worse, I KNOW many folks that have SOLD THEIR HOUSES to go to France, have DIVORCED their spouses/partners, have DONATED monies and so on
do you get it yet Sol???"
I´m a member of the cass group, and I
would like to respond to Anders.
Here is something else that this individual has written:
From: "Andrew Rowland" <arowland@**********.com>
To: <lark2@ozline.net>
Subject: Andy here...
Date sent: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 14:36:12 -0600
*********************************************
How does this person above (Laura) know that Anders is the person in the PRIVATE email this person above just illegally posted???
Because - as the C dupe solicitor said on this thread, posting PRIVATE emails is a serious offence.
Is Laura psychic??? LOL!
This person above (Laura) must know Anders intimately to be able to figure out that Anders is the person quoted in the PRIVATE email.
The only person who would keep PRIVATE emails from SEVERAL years ago is Laura and Ark.
*********************************************
Sol and others, I hope you now see how Laura and Ark operate.
They have done this sort of thing many times to many ex members - I could name dozens, many over at Matrisohka.
By posting the above they are hoping to embarrass and silence me.
WRONG!!!!
It does not work like that Laura.
You have precisley PROVED that you do not operate using STO principals.
You have shot yourself in the foot once again.
I am going to keep BUMPING this thread from now on so that everyone can see Laura and Ark for who they really are.
FWIW I kept all Laura´s private e-mails to me for a few years - I would never DREAM of posting a private email from anyone to me on a public board - and 2 or 3 years ago I erased them all, for obvious reasons - I can assure you all that anything anyone has ever sent Laura or Ark, anything that was ever sent to the C list group, everything is ALWAYS archived so that Laura and Ark can at any time in the future use emails to ATTACK any individual.
so I ask again
is this STS or STO behaviour???
 |
| Anders (BBM)
User ID: 17509
7/10/2005 9:36 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
I mean, if I gathered a group of people together with similar interests, I wanted to pool the resources to buy a castle somewhere and pursue XYZ goals, like I don´t know - write the greatest book the world has ever seen. It wouldn´t necessarily be "cultish" if people got divorced because one side didn´t want to go...
It would be if Laura told you that if your partner was hindering you from selling up and giving all your money to the CCC aka the Cassiopaean Chateau Commune, that your partner was in fact therefore a soul-less ORGANIC PORTAL put there by the Matrix to stop your development.
Get it Sol?
Because that is what Laura said many times on the privately moderated Cassiopaea list on yahoo - she said that ppl in your lives hindering you from spending time or participating with the Cs were Organic Portals (3 billion humans who have no soul - half the world´s population) - you would have to read Laura´s bullshit about Mouravieff and OPs on the C site to get the full falavour of this nazi-style eugenics Laura promotes. |
| Anders (BBM)
User ID: 17509
7/10/2005 9:40 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
You said you were booted for asking "the wrong questions", and I think it would be very helpful if you could say what they were.
Questions about the house raffle for one. Plenty more - towards the end, I saw many signs of STS behaviour by Laura, I saw how she operated in attacking Vincent Bridges - I could not stomach what I saw. I saw people being taken apart mercilessly on the C-list. I could not stomach that either.
Frankly I saw nothing but STS behaviour towards the end from Laura and Ark.
I now consider being booted both a blessing and a lucky escape.
|
| Anders (BBM)
User ID: 17509
7/10/2005 9:42 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
From: "Andrew Rowland" <arowland@**********.com>
To: <lark2@ozline.net>
Subject: Andy here...
Date sent: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 14:36:12 -0600
Laura, why don´t you go the whole hog and post my email adress too - you´ve already asterisked out the address, but not my real name.
Well Godlike people - what´s the verdict here - is the above STO or STS behaviour by Laura???
|
| Anders (BBM)
User ID: 17509
7/10/2005 9:51 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Anders and OPie worked together (with several others) to create the report on Vincent Bridges. Seems they got infected.
Yes - I also wrote to VB twice and apologised most sincerely to him and the Matrioshka folks, and Teresa Burns - at the time I was working under the express orders of Laura, I was her gofer at Matrisohka and I did a lot of investigative work on VB´s background.
VB never replied to me but I know he got my letters - I know this because he re-wrote certain sections of his web site after I gave him new information about Laura.
Information like, she no longer communicates with the Cs via a ouija board - information such as, she now says all communication is via a mind-meld, and automatic writing on a keyboard.
Yeah right!
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| Anders (BBM)
User ID: 17509
7/10/2005 9:56 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
As in "I´m not a cult member, for example I disagree with the way VB was handled, we are encouraged to think critically and independently at all times, and we too live and learn from our past mistakes". What you just did was reinforce the notion that you have an "us vs them" mentality, no better than Republicans thinking Democrats are pure evil, or whatever else. Hardly very enlightened, especially coming from a board where (as I understand it) you are aiming to find the "objective truth."
Precisely.
You see, with Laura, it IS us (sto, lmao!!!) against them (sts)...
With Laura it is us (souled individuals) against them (organic portals)...
And with Laura, should you question her in any way shape or from, she goes into attack mode (sts - see above) and will use any means necessarry in order to ´win´...
Does this sound STS or STO???
The reason I posted at all on this thread was from an STO motive - as I said to Sol earlier, if I can alert any folks perhaps now mixed up with the Laura and Ark Cult as to what they may be getting themselves into - all well and good.
There is plenty of information here for that individual now to proceed with caution.
Job done.
|
| Sol Invictus
User ID: 3888
7/10/2005 10:03 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Well all I can say Anders is that I´m glad I never joined that group :P I can imagine that I, like you, would have not parted with them too amicably. The posting of private emails was just WRONG. I cringe at the thought of what I may have written in the past before attaining my cool-as-a-mountain-lake demeanor...
If I were them, I´d reconsider many of their positions, at least the practical application of them. They seem to backfire massively when applied in "real life", even if it is just another message board. Now maybe I´m just old-fashioned and naive, but I try to treat even my enemies with a modicum of respect and fight with a certain sense of honor. I may make exceptions to this, but I certainly won´t ever stoop to anything of this kind over a simple character assassination dispute.
That said, it was just one member, and I´m sure my friend who is also an "insider" will agree that it was wrong. If not, I´ll be really surprised. Perhaps they can still salvage this discussion ;) It´s gonna take a stroke of genius to do so, but (no offense Anders, I know it´s not a game to you) it should be entertaining to watch.
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| Anders (BBM)
User ID: 17509
7/10/2005 10:17 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
That said, it was just one member,
Play Sherlock Holmes Sol.
Just WHO would have acess to private emails???
Laura and Ark.
Simple, occam´s razor.
This sort of thing is SOP for them - they once sent me explicit sexual emails concerning two ladies on the C-list group (PRIVATE emails these 2 women has sent Laura in good faith) - both of whom had recently been booted and were posting at Matrisohka - my orders from Laura were to use the emails as I saw fit over at Matrisohka, in order obviously to shut the two women up and frighten them off. One of the women was a Professor at a famous University - Chandra will know who - and Laura or another minion of hers (not me) wrote to the University to try and get her fired, saying that the woman had no morals and was not fit to teach students etc etc
Fortunately the University backed the woman up.
The other lady, a southern belle, was not so lucky.
Even now Chandra has disappeared - Laura obviously knows who Chandra is, and I wonder if Laura´s scare tactics (by also sending along here a tame ´solicitor´ from Spain, LOL) will have had an effect. Chandra, like myself and Opie, know that all private emails have been archived.
For my own part I have thick skin and Laura´s foot-amputating tactics will have no effect on me.
So - I never used the XXX emails - this was obviously a HUGE red flag to me, and I thought, my God, what sort of woman is Laura to be sending me such stuff out of the blue?, And what sort of person does she think I am to consider using it???
That was the beginning of the end.
On another occassion Laura told me that the Cs had told her that Vincent Bridges was a ´hot popper´ - I said, what does that mean? She replied that the Cs said he was being anally raped by Reptillians on a nightly basis, on the ethereal level...
That, coming on or around the time these sexual emails were sent to me - was when I thought, oops, I am dealing with a psycho...
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 8226
7/10/2005 10:21 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
lark2 was Laura´s e-mail address so it does look like Laura is here now digging up and posting the dirt on Anders. But to boot someone from the group for a bit of erratic behavior seems like control tactics. Very similar to the Operation Terra group. Sara Lyara Estes and her husband Mike Estes, aka Walter Rhodes. Same tactics, create terror within the group where all are afraid to say the wrong thing lest they be banned, and an us versus them mentality. |
| Anders (BBM)
User ID: 17509
7/10/2005 10:23 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Well all I can say Anders is that I´m glad I never joined that group :P I can imagine that I, like you, would have not parted with them too amicably. The posting of private emails was just WRONG. I cringe at the thought of what I may have written in the past before attaining my cool-as-a-mountain-lake demeanor...
Precisely. We all post stuff, especially privately, that should REMAIN private.
However, with Laura - she has no ethics.
A shame that Chandra is not here - I´d like to get her professional psychological take...on these LOL developments... |
| Anders (BBM)
User ID: 17509
7/10/2005 10:25 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
lark2 was Laura´s e-mail address so it does look like Laura is here now digging up and posting the dirt on Anders.
Who else has my private emails?
What sort of person archives every single email going back 10 years or more???
I tell ya.
One sick STS psychopathic individual, as Chandra professionally knows to be the case, as does Jay Weidner and Vincent Bridges and anyone who can put 2 and 2 together.
But to boot someone from the group for a bit of erratic behavior seems like control tactics. Very similar to the Operation Terra group. Sara Lyara Estes and her husband Mike Estes, aka Walter Rhodes. Same tactics, create terror within the group where all are afraid to say the wrong thing lest they be banned, and an us versus them mentality.
You got it.
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