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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 34752
10/22/2005 10:08 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
"V: As those on this list who have been deeply involved can attest, that´s just what LKJ does. First reading tons of propaganda to get into the inner circle, and then finding out there are more circles, with more entrance requirements, beyond that. Then of course, anyone who thinks you are too invovled with the group is a non-human OP out to suck your life force. So the member is subtly separated out from their family, friends and their normal life."
 That´s a good one... "So the member is subtly separated out from their family, friends and their normal life."
Oh, and just who was separated from family and friends to go and live in france against their own free will?
If anyone is spouting propaganda, it is you! |
| John Souttar
User ID: 11797
10/23/2005 7:00 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Dear Abraxus I was not suggesting that you were one, let alone accusing, but saying that unless that is what you are in the tale I am worried you may have the inciting role and sure enough inciting is all around suddenly. Some of the ´bad´ stuff you brought in during those nine months probably hung around. The things you channelled should all have health warnings anyway - including your future selves after doing such a thing. All worrying. You come across possessed - I may be in the best position to see this one, just as you of course can see where Vincent went wrong. |
| Vincent Bridges
User ID: 34764
10/23/2005 10:16 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
So in that case, how does this...
"It is common that a cult member is not told everything up front when joining the group, but that they are taught increasingly controlling ideas and teachings as they go".
V: Boy is that ever a good description of LKJ and her role in the group...
equate with this?
"we exchanged views and dismissed and accepted different views,even Laura was not adverse to changing her mind if someone offered a differing view to her own".
OK, as I said, she was on her best behavior around the newbies and the possible recruits.
If you think she is so open-minded, just go to their e-group, casschat, and ask a few simple questions about that darned old house raffle... Like who won? How much money did you make? If you gave your house away, why did you sell it two yeras later?
Things like that, and see how open-minded she is then...
VB |
| Vincent Bridges
User ID: 34764
10/23/2005 10:21 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
"V: As those on this list who have been deeply involved can attest, that´s just what LKJ does. First reading tons of propaganda to get into the inner circle, and then finding out there are more circles, with more entrance requirements, beyond that. Then of course, anyone who thinks you are too invovled with the group is a non-human OP out to suck your life force. So the member is subtly separated out from their family, friends and their normal life."
That´s a good one... "So the member is subtly separated out from their family, friends and their normal life."
Oh, and just who was separated from family and friends to go and live in france against their own free will?
If anyone is spouting propaganda, it is you!
V: Interesting point, since there is just such a situation at the Chateau at the moment... I have e-mails from a dozen or so folks who had the problem of one member of their family, son, daughter, spouse, becomine enamoured of the cult to the point where they have shut out and split from their families, even gotten divorces, because the Cassiopaeans, and the L´arks, were more important...
Like I said, you really convinced me that they are indeed, a cult...
VB |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 35179
10/23/2005 11:03 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
"I have e-mails from a dozen or so folks who had the problem of one member of their family, son, daughter, spouse, becomine enamoured of the cult to the point where they have shut out and split from their families, even gotten divorces, because the Cassiopaeans, and the L´arks, were more important..."
Well since you are accusing the cassiopaeans of being a cult, it is about time you put your money where your mouth is by producing this evidence that you say you have.
emails ect.
I have no doubt that one or two weak people might have believed everything they read over at cassiopaea, but to say that laura and ark were coaxing them into some dark cult deliberatly, is a bit much, and since you are the one accusing them of actually being a true and proper cult, means that you are the one that has to produce the evidence and the people.
And please do not bring in ex members of the inner cass group who joined at their own free will, and might have left of their own free will, or were kicked out because of genuine disagreements between themselves and other members of the group including L&A.
As I stated above, I went to the chataeu of my own free will, came and left of my own free will and did not have to pay a penny and was even fed!
I am not a member of the inner group, have never been coaxed into joining the group, and have never ever been pestered to join any group whatsoever.
Which does seem to contradict your view of a cult don´t you think? |
| Vincent Bridges
User ID: 34764
10/23/2005 11:43 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Well since you are accusing the cassiopaeans of being a cult, it is about time you put your money where your mouth is by producing this evidence that you say you have.
emails ect.
V: Unlike LKJ, I do not publically publish private emails. Some of my correspondents have joined this group and contributed their stories...
I have no doubt that one or two weak people might have believed everything they read over at cassiopaea, but to say that laura and ark were coaxing them into some dark cult deliberatly, is a bit much, and since you are the one accusing them of actually being a true and proper cult, means that you are the one that has to produce the evidence and the people.
And please do not bring in ex members of the inner cass group who joined at their own free will, and might have left of their own free will, or were kicked out because of genuine disagreements between themselves and other members of the group including L&A.
V: I think if you simply read through this thread, you´ll have all the evidence you need. Apparently, nothing is a cult unless you are abducted and brainwashed? And why throw out information from those who have actually been there and experienced it? Seems to me, they´d be the ones whose insight would be most valuable... unless of course you aren´t interested in the truth...
As I stated above, I went to the chataeu of my own free will, came and left of my own free will and did not have to pay a penny and was even fed!
V: How dd you manage to do that, I wonder?
I am not a member of the inner group, have never been coaxed into joining the group, and have never ever been pestered to join any group whatsoever.
Which does seem to contradict your view of a cult don´t you think?
V: Nope, just because, for whatever reason, you had a pleasent experience doesn´t negate what the rest of us have experienced. As I said, try asking a few questions concerning their criminal behaviour and see how long the party lasts...
VB |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 35208
10/23/2005 12:20 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
"V: Unlike LKJ, I do not publically publish private emails."
In other words you have no real proof that the cassiopaeans are a cult according to the proper definition.
"V: How dd you manage to do that, I wonder?"
I did it the same way as anybody else would, by using my own money to get there and back, but while I was there it was free, everybody there understood that I could only afford the fare, so I attended the classes and stayed in a tent.
Why, how would you do it, by using other peoples money?
"Which does seem to contradict your view of a cult don´t you think?"
"V: Nope, just because, for whatever reason, you had a pleasent experience doesn´t negate what the rest of us have experienced."
Oh, I think it does, this is my personal experience with the people you are classifying as a cult, as I said no one has harrased me whatsoever, so I think your claims are unfounded until you can produce the evidence that they are a cult according to the proper definition.
"As I said, try asking a few questions concerning their criminal behaviour and see how long the party lasts..."
I might just do that if I ever visit them again, and I get the feeling after meeting them that I might get as straight answer, rather unlike what you are trying to put over to people on this forum.
You seem to have gathered a bit of a following yourself, maybe you have aspirations of becoming a a guru, maybe in some peoples eyes you already are. |
| Anders
User ID: 35288
10/23/2005 4:26 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
"V: Unlike LKJ, I do not publically publish private emails."
In other words you have no real proof that the cassiopaeans are a cult according to the proper definition.
NO, U HAVE NOT THE CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS OF A SPONGE
Vincent says he will not publish here on this thread private emails.
Go back on this thread and you will see ARK and LAURA and the WHOLE GANG pasting in here on this thread publishing extremely PRIVATE emails I sent several years ago!
LOL
If i wanted to I could sue, and I may still do so...
U make me laugh, you are so brainwashed.
This is SOP for LAURA and ARK.
All they know is ATTACK!
How love and light and STS is that???
I´ll let u decide, but u will come to the wrong conclusion, based on your brainwashed responses so far on this thread.
See her web site and you will see her libelling and defaming several individuals - this has gone on for years, and several people have taken legal action against her to get their PRIVATE details removed from their site.
Other are involved in litigation - read the thread for details.
"V: How dd you manage to do that, I wonder?"
I did it the same way as anybody else would, by using my own money to get there and back, but while I was there it was free, everybody there understood that I could only afford the fare, so I attended the classes
INDOCTRINATION
and stayed in a tent.
THEY WERE TOO CHEAP TO LET YOU STAY IN A ROOM? not even an outhouse???
lol
MUST BE A VERY SMALL CHATEAU!
Why, how would you do it, by using other peoples money?
"Which does seem to contradict your view of a cult don´t you think?"
"V: Nope, just because, for whatever reason, you had a pleasent experience doesn´t negate what the rest of us have experienced."
Oh, I think it does,
YOU ARE THEREFORE BRAINWASHED
OR A WANNABE COMEDIAN
READ THE WHOLE THREAD
IF YOU CANNOT SEE WHAT IS GOING ON AFTER DOING THAT, THEN U PROBABLY DESERVE WHAT U GET
this is my personal experience with the people you are classifying as a cult, as I said no one has harrased me whatsoever,
AS VINCENT SAYS, ASK A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT THE HOUSE RAFFLE ON THE VARIOUS LISTS
SEE HOW LONG UNTIL YOU ARE BOOTED
I BET U DIDN´T ASK ONE QUESTION ALONG THESE LINES IN FRANCE
LOL
did you???
do tell
why not call them up now???
only costs a few bux, see what happens
LMAO!
so I think your claims are unfounded
NO YOU IDIOT
YOU DO AN EXPERIMENT, AND THEN GET BACK TO US WITH THE RESULTS
THOU DOTH PROTEST TOO MUCH
until you can produce the evidence that they are a cult according to the proper definition.
THERE IS MORE THAN ENOUGH EVIDENCE ON THIS THREAD, AND YOU ARE THE ICING ON THE CAKE
WELL DONE FOR CONFIRMING THAT THEY ARE INDEED A CULT
"As I said, try asking a few questions concerning their criminal behaviour and see how long the party lasts..."
I might just do that if I ever visit them again, and I get the feeling after meeting them that I might get as straight answer,
CUT TO THE CHASE U COWARD
DO IT NOW
A FEW EMAILS WILL SORT YOU OUT
A COUPLA PHONE CALLS
HOWEVER, NOW THAT U HAVE BROUGHT THIS SUBJECT UP, AND THE CULT ARE MONITORING THIS THREAD LIKE HAWKS, U WILL PROBABLY BE TREATED WITH KID GLOVES
they will easily be able to identify you
so, get someone else to ask the questions, LOL
see what happens!
rather unlike what you are trying to put over to people on this forum.
You seem to have gathered a bit of a following yourself,
ATTACK THE MESSENGER
YAWN
A TRUE CULTIST ALWAYS DOES THAT
maybe you have aspirations of becoming a a guru, maybe in some peoples eyes you already are.
YOU LEAVE WITH A FINAL AD HOMINEM ATTACK
GET BACK TO US WITH THE RESULTS OF YOUR EXPERIMENT
LOL
100-1 we never hear from this brainwashed individual again, with the results |
| Anders
User ID: 35288
10/23/2005 4:45 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
OH!!!
And by the way
this brainwashed individual wants Vincent and others on this thread to OUT dissenters
yet HE/SHE doesn´t have the BALLS to identify themselves here, using the same logic!!!
LOL LOL LOL
If you indeed think the L´Arks are not a cult
I dare you to identify yourself here!
come on - what are u afraid of???
And I dare you to ask all the QUESTIONS we posed right at the start of this thread about the house raffle fraud on all the various C lists u belong to
then get back to us with the results
1000-1 we never hear from this BLINKERED and BRAINWASHED coward again.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| juan carlos
User ID: 35316
10/23/2005 5:55 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
anders, what you mean when you say "extremely private emails"? Why the "extremely"?
are you refering to the emails in which you state to laura that you were taking drugs? LSD was it? there is a problem with my browser, so people will have to confirm this themselves. check initial pages I think I remember correctly - mind altering hallucinogenic drugs. yes.
oh and I reading your emails on the cassiopaea Weidner pages, the one´s in which you say very negative (albeit probably accurate) things about vincent bridges. do still agree with all of the investigatave results?. i think vincent then says something about you being dumb.
stupid yes. I see your writing style, if call it that. you should work for the tabloids.
your arrogance and selflove prevent you from seeing yourself as others see you. I laugh at your posts - it´s as if a twelve year old child was writing. what genetic age?
regardless, it would improve your credibility if you used your head, instead of emotions. then we would know you retain some stability.
but perhaps this what drugs do to people. they lose touch with reality - don´t they? but people will be people, you be different?
anders all mouth mouth mouth, me me me. not able to DOING. he lonely.
cest la vie
,
Juan |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 35337
10/23/2005 6:55 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
"Go back on this thread and you will see ARK and LAURA and the WHOLE GANG pasting in here on this thread publishing extremely PRIVATE emails I sent several years ago!
LOL
If i wanted to I could sue, and I may still do so..."
Anders, if you are so upset, then do it., then even someone as brainwashed as me might see the truth from the courts point of view, not from what I am being told on a forum such as this.
"I did it the same way as anybody else would, by using my own money to get there and back, but while I was there it was free, everybody there understood that I could only afford the fare, so I attended the classes"
"INDOCTRINATION"
"and stayed in a tent."
"THEY WERE TOO CHEAP TO LET YOU STAY IN A ROOM? not even an outhouse???"
Why indoctrination? because I prefer to stay in a tent under the stars because "I" am to cheap to stay in a hotel.
Sorry to upset you but that is a fact, and besides there was no rooms left in the chateau.
"IF YOU CANNOT SEE WHAT IS GOING ON AFTER DOING THAT, THEN U PROBABLY DESERVE WHAT U GET"
Why what am I going to get, please elaborate, because it certainly will not coming from anyone at cassiopaea as I do not have anything to do with them, in fact I very rarely read the website anymore.
So unless the people here have something in mind for me, then I do not see where else the threat can come from.
"AS VINCENT SAYS, ASK A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT THE HOUSE RAFFLE ON THE VARIOUS LISTS"
Which lists might these be, who runs them?
"I BET U DIDN´T ASK ONE QUESTION ALONG THESE LINES IN FRANCE
LOL
did you???
do tell"
Why should I ask about a raffle, people do raffles all the time, I was not there to learn about raffles, the local round table do raffles all the time, do I ask them?
"so I think your claims are unfounded"
"NO YOU IDIOT
YOU DO AN EXPERIMENT, AND THEN GET BACK TO US WITH THE RESULTS
THOU DOTH PROTEST TOO MUCH"
CUT TO THE CHASE U COWARD
DO IT NOW
A FEW EMAILS WILL SORT YOU OUT
A COUPLA PHONE CALLS
HOWEVER, NOW THAT U HAVE BROUGHT THIS SUBJECT UP, AND THE CULT ARE MONITORING THIS THREAD LIKE HAWKS, U WILL PROBABLY BE TREATED WITH KID GLOVES
I already did my experiment, and came back in one piece without feeling the need to ever go back, like I said, I very rarely even visit the website anymore.
Why do I get the feeling that I am being threatened here, when at the beginning all I asked for was proof that the cassipaeans were a cult, and all i did was related my experience. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 35337
10/23/2005 7:01 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
And Judging from the anger here I will just repeat the words of Juan, cest la vie! |
| Anders
User ID: 35288
10/23/2005 7:56 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
"Go back on this thread and you will see ARK and LAURA and the WHOLE GANG pasting in here on this thread publishing extremely PRIVATE emails I sent several years ago!
LOL
If i wanted to I could sue, and I may still do so..."
Anders, if you are so upset, then do it.
I may well do so, I am an EEC citizen so can do so easier than a yank, am keeping my powder dry. Also, generally speaking, to sue in the French courts costs MOOLAH - Laura and Ark and the CULT know this - which is why they ran away from the USA in the first place - to escape justice.
then even someone as brainwashed as me might see the truth from the courts point of view, not from what I am being told on a forum such as this.
LOL
You only form your worldview from a Judge´s POV???
Interesting mode of operation.
Pay attention to Miers - you´ll learn a lot there.
You think this thread is all two or three people with a vendetta against the L´Arks???
I can assure you it is not.
Reason it has the staying power it has is because of the truth of the matter.
Many many folks have posted on this thread of their negative experiences with the C Cult.
It is NOT pretty reading - it brings nothing but shame on Laura and her ´gang´...
"I did it the same way as anybody else would, by using my own money to get there and back, but while I was there it was free, everybody there understood that I could only afford the fare, so I attended the classes"
"INDOCTRINATION"
"and stayed in a tent."
"THEY WERE TOO CHEAP TO LET YOU STAY IN A ROOM? not even an outhouse???"
Why indoctrination?
Because ´lessons´ sounds like indoctrination to me.
Perhaps you would tell us all exactly what these ´lessons´ were about?
Lessons..... Hmmmmmmmmm.......
because I prefer to stay in a tent under the stars
I do too, actually, from time to time. I like stars and astronomy. But one would think you blow 2-3,000 bux travelling all the way to sunny France you could do better - at a Chateau! - than camp in the car park.
because "I" am to cheap to stay in a hotel.
Not what I said - I said, implied, that the Cultists were too mean to let you crash in a sleeping bag in one of their 2 dozen, 3 dozen rooms.
Or is the Chateau too FULL of other Cultists these days?
LOL
Sorry to upset you but that is a fact, and besides there was no rooms left in the chateau.
Hmmmmm.
Mighty strange to me. A huge Chateau with no spare rooms - jeeze, the Cultists must be recruiting big time!!!
"IF YOU CANNOT SEE WHAT IS GOING ON AFTER DOING THAT, THEN U PROBABLY DESERVE WHAT U GET"
Why what am I going to get, please elaborate,
I meant exactly what I said - a fool is easily robbed. You go in blind, you get taken advantage of.
The fact that even now u are still arguing against maybe 20-30 other folks, maybe many many more?, on this thread proves my point - I wish no harm to anybody, but if you put your head in a beast´s jaws, be prepared for the consequences.
because it certainly will not coming from anyone at cassiopaea as I do not have anything to do with them,
LOL
Then why are you here as an agent provocateur/advocate, trying to get Vincent and others to publish here on this thread the names of those folks that have written from the heart and with deep knowledge, WITH DISSENT, about the C Cult, and the way they have been victimised?
Strange behaviour on your part, IMO.
in fact I very rarely read the website anymore.
So unless the people here have something in mind for me, then I do not see where else the threat can come from.
What threat?
Please don´t try and twist my words, it won´t work.
Nobody on this thread has threatened you.
"AS VINCENT SAYS, ASK A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT THE HOUSE RAFFLE ON THE VARIOUS LISTS"
Which lists might these be, who runs them?
OH!!!!!!
Silly me!!!!
I get it, you don´t belong to any Cassiopaea forum lists on yahoo (or wherever else they operate from these days), you know sweet FA about the Cs, (actually, come to think of it, you probably DON´T!), and you know bugger all about the scam of the century (the RAFFLE) - yet u expect us all to believe that somehow you get invited to fly to France for ´lessons´....
Hmmmmmmmm..........
"I BET U DIDN´T ASK ONE QUESTION ALONG THESE LINES IN FRANCE
LOL
did you???
do tell"
Why should I ask about a raffle,
LOL
people do raffles all the time,
LOL
I was not there to learn about raffles,
LOL
the local round table do raffles all the time,
LOL
do I ask them?
LOL - please, remember this is being read by thousands of people, don´t try and pretend innocence ... you sound like a Nazi camp warder, saying, ´I was just doing my job...´
"so I think your claims are unfounded"
"NO YOU IDIOT
YOU DO AN EXPERIMENT, AND THEN GET BACK TO US WITH THE RESULTS
THOU DOTH PROTEST TOO MUCH"
CUT TO THE CHASE U COWARD
DO IT NOW
A FEW EMAILS WILL SORT YOU OUT
A COUPLA PHONE CALLS
HOWEVER, NOW THAT U HAVE BROUGHT THIS SUBJECT UP, AND THE CULT ARE MONITORING THIS THREAD LIKE HAWKS, U WILL PROBABLY BE TREATED WITH KID GLOVES
I already did my experiment,
In other words you chicken out and do an ostrich, nice going, you have no idea what truth is, from the comments you have posted so far on this thread...
Coupla phone calls, a few e-mails to various C-lists and u would have your answer - you would have neen kicked into touch, just like ANYONE that mentions the raffle...
I am reminded of the Fawlty Towers episode, ´Don´t mention the war!´...
LOL
and came back in one piece without feeling the need to ever go back, like I said, I very rarely even visit the website anymore.
OK
Why do I get the feeling that I am being threatened here,
I have no idea.
when at the beginning all I asked for was proof that the cassipaeans were a cult,
Read this thread.
and all i did was related my experience.
Hmmmmmmm....
You did rather more than that my friend, that is why I took you to task. |
| Anders
User ID: 35288
10/23/2005 8:22 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
anders, what you mean when you say "extremely private emails"? Why the "extremely"?
Juan Carlos
Are you telling me you do not understand what a precise adjective (extremely adv.) means?
extreme
· adj.
1 very great. Ø exceptional. Ø very severe or serious.
2 far from moderate, especially politically. Ø chiefly N. Amer. denoting or relating to a sport performed in a hazardous environment.
3 furthest from the centre or a given point.
· n.
1 either of two abstract things that are as different from each other as possible. Ø the most extreme degree of something.
2 Logic the subject or predicate in a proposition, or the major or minor term in a syllogism.
– DERIVATIVES extremely adv. extremeness n.
– ORIGIN ME: via OFr. from L. extremus ‘outermost, utmost’, superlative of exterus ‘outer’.
are you refering to the emails in which you state to laura that you were taking drugs? LSD was it? there is a problem with my browser, so people will have to confirm this themselves. check initial pages I think I remember correctly - mind altering hallucinogenic drugs. yes.
Juan Carlos
I am referring to EXTREMELY PRIVATE emails that I sent to Laura many years ago.
Laura hoarded them, like she hoards all emails she ever gets, and she and Ark and the Quantum Future Gang published them ILLEGALLY here on this thread in order to try and shut me up, just as YOU, as one of the CULT GOFERS, are NOW trying to shut me up too.
So Juan Carlos
This is how Laura and Ark operate, cut and pasted from page 5, by the L´Arks and ´gang minions´...
cass group member
User ID: 9
7/10/2005
8:46 am EDT
Anders (BBM) User ID: 33
7/9/2005
6:56 pm EDT
wrote:
"LOL! Well, you know the way I talk here at GLP - at Cass I toned down my style big time. No swearing, no F words, apple pie. Extrapolate the rest. Fact is I and many others SAW and EXPERIENCED the BS from Laura. I was part of the KULT for maybe 2-3 years ----> I think I know who Chandra is too. A woman who has been HURT just as much as me, amd my fiends, if not worse, I KNOW many folks that have SOLD THEIR HOUSES to go to France, have DIVORCED their spouses/partners, have DONATED monies and so on
do you get it yet Sol???"
I´m a member of the cass group, and I
would like to respond to Anders.
Here is something else that this individual has written:
From: "Andrew Rowland" <arowland@**********.com>
To: <lark2@ozline.net>
Subject: Andy here...
Date sent: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 14:36:12 -0600
Hello Laura,
I just got off the phone with the cass group member in UK, who was kind enough to get in contact with me - she left a message yesterday for me, with her phone number. Anyway, I have no excuses. My friend from Denver was leaving London on Wednesday morning - so on Tuesday we went out to a night-club after going on a pub crawl since 6pm and at 1 am I ended up buying some L$%. Or that´s what he said it was. A tiny tab. Lee went to his hotel, and after I got home I went on the keyboard instead of just putting on some headphones and letting the experience wash over me. No excuses, but I´ve not tried it before and it was a mess. I don´t know why I did it. I don´t know why I went on the keyboard. I started getting paranoid and was sure that my PC was being accessed by spooks via back-orifice as I was typing. Crazy. I sent you one message as this was happening, thinking you wouldn´t get it:
"Hi Laura,
hope you get this,
this is andy from the uk
i doubt, quite fdrankly, if you´ll get this,
i´m yuping this
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Rowland" < <mailto:arowland@**********.com>
arowland@**********.com>
To: < <mailto:lark2@ozline.net> lark2@ozline.net>
Sent: 14 September 2001 14:58
Subject: Re: Fw: Mode of Operation
I don´t know what to think anymore. I don´t know why I didn´t finish the note above before hitting send.
I checked into a hotel yesterday, just to get away from my surroundings for 24 hours, and this morning I just tried to log on to the C group (to see what I´d said, before talking to K***) but have been removed, so was unable to read what I´d written, and I have little recollection of what I was saying, or failing to say. I used to post from the web site so have no e-mail copies. K*** said I was rambling and had typed in notes from previous posts. And that I was swearing and misspelling and not answering replies. I don´t know why I pasted in my phone number either - other than the obvious, that I wanted to talk to somebody. So I have no excuses. If you could convey my apologies to the group, and of course to you and Ark too, I would be grateful. As I just explained to Kristine R
(I just sent her a note) -
"Thanks for the note... "the world like it really is..." - not too
pretty
from my POV. The recent George debacle, the state of my book (non)
progress,
what´s going on with the WTC - what I´ve learned about 4d and the next
few
years."
I´m ashamed and embarrassed and worried. I bought E. Fiore´s book a while back about SRT (for a reason, but I never followed up on it.) I wanted to learn more about what is possible, so, after reading it I´m sure I must have (at least) one attachment (probably multiple), which would account for my behaviour. I did my own SRT as recommended by her, made a tape recording, played it twice before going to sleep. I can´t figure out why I did what I did. So I want to follow up on that and try and find someone here in London that could at least address that. Apart from the personal tragedy of WTC, and all the spook activity on the list, I don´t think I´ve ever felt such a sense of intense depression. What I was writing about was so close to what happened in NYC, and the realisation that over a year´s worth of work might have to be trashed, or at least have major re-writes -- remember how you felt a few weeks ago when you thought you´d lost your work? I wouldn´t visit that feeling on anyone.
Thanks for listening, not sure what happens next.
My sincere apologies once again.
Andy
***********
Due to his erratic behavior, Andy was removed from the group. His above "apology" was shared with the group so that they could vote on whether to readmit him. Based on his "apology" and even though there were a number of "negatives" in the discussion which followed, Laura was in favor of giving him another chance to remain in the group. It was the group´s belief after this incident (above) that he would get support in the group to kick the tendencies described. So, he was readmitted after this incident. Then, he did it again. After many more experiences, including dozens of requests from Laura for him to NOT go out on the internet and post flame attacks against Vincent Bridges, he was finally removed permanently.
Anders and OPie worked together (with several others) to create the report on Vincent Bridges. Seems they got infected.
[link to www.cassiopaea.com]
In addition, Anders repeatedly was writing on the cass list (when he was a member) about "big money", "big business" and was generally a "big talker" with no substantive data to back it up, not unlike what he has demonstrated here on this board.
Is this a person whose perceptions of "truth" you would trust?
Does anyone here see the incongruity of an individual joining such a group under what - he now reveals - were false pretenses? Just how reliable can such a person be in any context? Can anybody trust somebody who would play that kind of game, lie and pretend in the group, and then - when he is kicked out because his real self keeps coming to the surface - have the nerve to attack the group itself that believed his lies, believed in him, and gave him trust and fellowship? |
| Anders
User ID: 35288
10/23/2005 8:27 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
oh and I reading your emails on the cassiopaea Weidner pages, the one´s in which you say very negative (albeit probably accurate) things about vincent bridges. do still agree with all of the investigatave results?. i think vincent then says something about you being dumb.
As readers of this thread can figure out, Juan Carlos is a pseudonym for one of the CULTISTS...
Who, apparently, thinks ad hominem attacks like this further the L´Ark Cult Mission...
stupid yes. I see your writing style, if call it that. you should work for the tabloids.
your arrogance and selflove prevent you from seeing yourself as others see you. I laugh at your posts - it´s as if a twelve year old child was writing. what genetic age?
regardless, it would improve your credibility if you used your head, instead of emotions. then we would know you retain some stability.
but perhaps this what drugs do to people. they lose touch with reality - don´t they? but people will be people, you be different?
anders all mouth mouth mouth, me me me. not able to DOING. he lonely.
cest la vie
,
Juan
Juan Carlos (sic)
Thanks for reinforcing how the Cassiopaeans and their duped minion followers are nothing more than a CULT.
LOL |
| Anders
User ID: 35288
10/23/2005 8:31 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
And we scream past the big 32,000
YES THIRTY-TWO THOUSAND
hits on this thread!
500 hits a day!!!
"They´re on our left, they´re on our right, they´re in front of us, they´re behind us; they can´t get away this time!"
Must be the Castleopea CULT folks, folks!!!
|
| Abraxas Incarnate
User ID: 33373
10/23/2005 9:21 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Greetings friends,
I´ve really been doing a great deal of thinking regarding this thread the past couple of days. I am surprised to find myself compelled out of a sense of karmic responsibility to cast a warning for Those With Ears to Hear.
The cult phenomenon- and make no mistake, the Cassio-peons ARE a dangerous cult- is the least understood yet most important factor in our current apocalyptic zeitgeist. As an expert on the subject, I feel I must step up to the plate and shed as much light as possible regarding it; specifically, the one perspective usually left out of such illuminations- the viewpoint of the cult leader/founder/central "source" of cosmic wisdom. We have a unique opportunity with the Casseo-peon story to allow for a clear window onto this shadowy, unspoken world.
V: LKJ and Fred were just fools in over their heads in a psychic situation they didn´t understand and couldn´t control.
And that is how it begins. Some special spark of contact is made, by one of two individuals. They gain access to information that is coming in from somewhere else. Right at the styart, especially given the method Laura and Fred chose, they should have been very suspicious of what was happening. But alas, as is often the case, the information was deemed "genuine" with no critical analysis made, and the new focus on "returning to the well" for more now became the prevailing plot level.
Pay attention to those two words- "plot level". If you take only one thing from all that I say, take away that conept. The "plot level" is the storyline of whatever may be happening. With Laura and Fred, it was the "amazing contact with the Cs" and subsequent returns to the well. This level of interaction with the channeled beings, whomever they may be, is ALMOST ALWAYS FALSE, THEATRICAL, AND MANIPULATIVE. Whomever the beings claim to be, you can bet they are most likely LYING THROUGH THEIR ASTRAL TEETH. So it is with ALL plot level, because it never amounts to anything more than a psychic medium to convey information while (this is the most important thing, too) feeding the beings giving said information.
The dangerous thing, of course, is that most cults- and the Casseo-peons are the classic example- have no understanding whatsoever of plot level or how it works. They assume, as do most who study this subject, that either the beings are genuine and honest about who/what they are, OR its all a bunch of insane bullshit, with nothing being real or of value. Neither option is entirely true or accurate.
V: In August, 2000, at point, there wasn´t a cult, just a group of people in cyberspace discussing the usual craziness, much like your yahoo group in fact.
This brings in another key factor that separates the C-cult from other, pre-internet cults, such as my own, which saw its height in 1990. I have seen and noted the similarities between my yahoo e-group, IlluminAlch, and Nuahj (pronounced "new-ahgug), my cosmic cult. In both cases, I was a central charismatic figure possessing "truth" which others did not have. Thankfully, my past experience with Nuahj gave me the wisdom to avoid the traps that IlluminAlch laid before me, almost by default, due to the times in which we live. I created IlluminAlch in March 2001; by the time 9/11 hit, obviously things could have gone into any direction I chose. I was already feeding the group with accounts of my recent astral plane visitations with the Revered Dead (VB and I originally bonded and argued over this material) and it would have been oh so easy to turn the whole thing into a real cult. This is something that we see happening all over the web now, with alleged gurus, crusaders, and cosmic whistleblowers of one form or another, from the most banal mundane NWO paranoids to outrageous grandiose plots, setting up shop at various sites and selling their plot levels in the great marketplace of whackiness.
The C-cult, however, is special, in that they are the first group to make it big, riding all the current waves of zeitgeist plot materials (their endless Pentagon strike video buzz being a perfect example).
This last factor, by the way, is what makes me suspect that the whole C-cult scenario has been hijacked by an intel op, who are now going to run it into the ground just to study the results clinically and "for free".
V: The main difference: LKJ had several e-groups, divided up according to their participants´ loyalty. The inner group looked like the main circle, but actually there was one beyond that!
This is standard issue cult activity. Once the plot level develops into a "siege mode", then a rigid sectioning must occur, with the inner-inner core of True Believers protecting the central gurus(s) while other less controversial diluted membranes of plot level are constructed around the central core.
For the Cs, the siege mode began as soon as the first stage- trips to the well- no longer met the group needs. This is because you can only sit at the feet of the cosmic master for so long, receiving platitudes and promises, before action is called for in one form or another. Things must be exciting, remember. Thus the guru(s) are forced to alter the message such that it becomes and us-them, "we´re under attack by the enemy" plot, which creates a whirlwind letting lose all the contents collected during the first stage.
Essentially the first stage of the cult, "going to the well", builds the cosmic feedback engine. The second stage, "under siege", turns the gnine on and gets the course of things moving in a specific direction. Remember: Stage one is based on deception, so stage two exists primarily to PREVENT CULT MEMBERS FROM REALIZING THE INITIAL DECEPTION. There´s nothing more distracting, or better for giving your scene the appearance of validity, than for your group to be attacked by "THEM´.
Here we see the indespensible role Vincent has played for them come into clear focus.
V: But the cult won´t let go of me, because they need the Dr Evil persona as proof of their nazi-like OP theology.
Right on time, just when the natural dynamics of cult-unfoldment demanded the shift, V appeared and provided the perfect excuse for Laura to turn the plot level over to stage two´s downward spirals; so the new storyline became about V the infiltrator, V the front for intelligence ops, V the evil saboteur, V the face of a much more malignant evil threatening everything good and right in C-land.
Phase tow is often fed by moments of small-scale paranoi, manufactured to give some juice to the otherwise lingering polot level. Thus Laura´s claims about her pet being killed, evil Mossad stealing her luggage, or WHATEVER. As the old Kinks album title said, "Something/Anything".
This will all lead of course to phase three of the cult cycle- the "final countdown". As with a Jonestown scene, the gurus become increasingly paranoid and need to have an impending "event" to justify all the excitement and conflict. In the twisted myhtos of C-land, this is of course writtne of in terms of the meteor showers that shall devastate us, the mysterious galactic wave that shall change us, or of the impending global nazi fascist state that shall try to enslave us.
It doesn´t matter WHAT "the event" is predicted to be; chances are, the cult will "go out guns blazing against The Man" before the target date can be reached. This will only seek to confirm everything, of course, from the point of view of the cult, because "the Man" wouldn´t be out to get them if they weren´t in possession of The Shocking Truth, right? Even if The Man is sent in as part of the pre-arranged intel op scheme, all known about ahead of time by the guru(s), of course, who now have the ultimate flashy ending to their cosmically important dramatic script.
The C´s are only in phase two thus far. Who´s putting bets on there being a fiery end prior to phase three?
More from me later.... |
| Abraxas Incarnate
User ID: 33373
10/23/2005 9:32 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
J: Dear Abraxus
John, that´s Abrax-As, NOT "-Us".
J: I was not suggesting that you were one, let alone accusing, but saying that unless that is what you are in the tale I am worried you may have the inciting role and sure enough inciting is all around suddenly.
What does the word "inciting" mean? I am just throwing light on all these issues that need discussion.
J: Some of the ´bad´ stuff you brought in during those nine months probably hung around. The things you channelled should all have health warnings anyway - including your future selves after doing such a thing. All worrying.
You don´t know the half of it ;) But there is nothing to worry about now. It was all fifteen years ago and the karmic/cosmic factors have long since played themselves out.
J: You come across possessed - I may be in the best position to see this one, just as you of course can see where Vincent went wrong.
I am possessed, but not by anything you might suspect :) |
| Anders
User ID: 35288
10/23/2005 9:33 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
BTW if anyone is interested, Juan Carlos is Mr Gonzales (sic) and maybe Jojido too, LOL
compare
stupid yes. I see your writing style, if call it that. you should work for the tabloids.
your arrogance and selflove prevent you from seeing yourself as others see you. I laugh at your posts - it´s as if a twelve year old child was writing. what genetic age?
regardless, it would improve your credibility if you used your head, instead of emotions.
from pages 5/6
frederico Gonzalez
User ID: 2012
7/10/2005
1:20 pm EDT Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans?
Anders you are emoting everywhere....
you wrote
Frederico
Laura turned up and posted PRIVATE emails I sent to her, including my real name.
Is that STO?
I have to ask is what you have been writting without any evidence but pure emotion.and a sense of being done wrong to STO....?
Laura also did not refute any of the 9 or so questions that Chandra posed to her.
She didnt have to..no evidence was produced ,and these 9 questions where a diversion from producing facts.......
All Laura did was try her usual tactics of character assassination against anyone who questions her.
I think it is called the mirror Anders, i would say she bares you know ill intent,but when Vincent Bridges enters such open discussions,you know and i know that he feeds on this kind of stuff ...he may even be paid to do such things... Cointelpro and all that..ive never known anyone with so much venom and intent to do nothing but....
it is crap when your past sins are brought up i know this,though what else could she have done.....really........
Hey we are all sinners.......
And look inwardly and ask yourself what really makes you continue to be hurt?
the mirror?
I see you where in there with the Cass folks now..
How do you think she feels having her person being assasinated all the time.......
the world is in a very dark state of affairs, the SOTT signs of the times is doing nothing but showing the world that all that one is being told is not so...they back it up...with reasonable discussion.......
i didnt need them specifically to tell me this,though others may bennefit from what they do.....
maybe it is time to make peace Anders.....
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 16281
7/10/2005
3:05 pm EDT Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans?
Anders you are emoting everywhere....
you wrote
Frederico
Laura turned up and posted PRIVATE emails I sent to her, including my real name.
Is that STO?
I have to ask is what you have been writting without any evidence but pure emotion.and a sense of being done wrong to STO....?
Frederico, I told you and all here I erased all my private emails from Laura a few years ago - I did this because I did not want to be reminded what was in them. I can assure you, I feel sorry for those caught up in the CCC scam in France now - many of them WERE me friends, then when I was booted, excommunicated - would you believe it??? After several years of daily communication with them, NOT ONE PERSON - NOT ONE!!! wrote to me to ask my version of events...
Not one.
THAT is the hold Laura has over these dupes. They are by and large good people, good folks, seekers perhaps like you, perhaps like me.
But what on earth can have such a HOLD on these people, that once the emperor (Laura) gibes the signal then the flock obey???
Perhaps you could explain that to me.
Laura says on page 5 - ´Does anyone here see the incongruity of an individual joining such a group under what - he now reveals - were false pretenses? Just how reliable can such a person be in any context? Can anybody trust somebody who would play that kind of game, lie and pretend in the group, and then - when he is kicked out because his real self keeps coming to the surface - have the nerve to attack the group itself that believed his lies, believed in him, and gave him trust and fellowship?´
Precisely what trust and fellowship was exhibited by the 2-300 or so members after I was booted???
None.
This is not a one-off.
I belong to an ex-Cassiopaea survivors list - we formed it in order to try and make sense of what went on, who we were duped and robbed, both emotionally, psychically, monetarily - in order to figure out why we were put through the meat grinder and spat out.
I can assure you Frederico - there are numbering by now probably in the hundreds, folks that were booted by Laura and Ark as they began to wise up.
Almost all are on their own now. No support groups like I have.
after I was booted - and after all those whom Laura and Ark, like Nero, choose to condemn to ´death´ - none are EVER allowed the right to reply.
This is SOP Nazi tactics.
One minute you are there on the C-lsit, next minute you become one of the ´disappeared´ ones.
And the scary thing is, the C-list continues, with no questions asked.
Nobody asks on the list, hey, what happened to such and such a person.
Wgy?
Because deep down Laura rules the roost and all on the C-list instinctiveley know to be very careful what they say.
Don´t believe me???
Go and join the C-list, and observe.
You will see exactly what I mean.
Of course first you will have to jump through major hoops set by Ark in order to weed out anyone who is not a sheep-like follower, anyone who shows an ounce of a brain.
Laura also did not refute any of the 9 or so questions that Chandra posed to her.
She didnt have to..no evidence was produced ,and these 9 questions where a diversion from producing facts.......
Hmmmm, she can spend time posting my real name on the internet and private emails from 6 years ago, yet she cannot address the simplest of questions.
All Laura did was try her usual tactics of character assassination against anyone who questions her.
I think it is called the mirror Anders,
Here I have to laugh, because the MIRROR is one of Laura´s favourite talking points - especially the alleged mirror episode in her house where she allegedly exposed Vincent Bridges as the Devil incarnate...
i would say she bares you know ill intent,
Wrong - I have seen her in action - she is scary in her real state, she is psychopathic, she wants revenge, she wants total domination and subservience. Ark is her firewall. I have seen her go after many people, so has Chandra, Opie, plenty of others, VB, JW, a long long list of enemies she perceives to be...
but when Vincent Bridges enters such open discussions,
Chandra is not VB.
VB has not participated on this thread - if he did, you would know about it. I hope he does, because VB would have a lot to say.
you know and i know
now here Frederico I think u give yourself away - you say you are a C newbie, yet you now seem to know a hell of a lot about the various intrigues of the last few years...
that he feeds on this kind of stuff ...he may even be paid to do such things... Cointelpro and all that..ive never known anyone with so much venom and intent to do nothing but....
but I thought you did not know much about the Cs and Laura etc???
OOPS
it is crap when your past sins are brought up i know this,though what else could she have done.....really........
no it is not crap - what sins? in whose eyes??? sez who???
I saw through Laura at the very end and was booted
GREAT
I am glad. Some are still being milked now - maybe one day one of the Chateau brigade will tell us what is going on...
Hey we are all sinners.......
And look inwardly and ask yourself what really makes you continue to be hurt?
I am human. I do not take easily to being shafted like this. So I will endeavour to stop it happening to others - that is the best I can do.
the mirror?
Look at yourself in the mirror my misguided and disingenuous friend - whenever anyone starts harping on about the mirror crapola, as Chandra says, with repeated use of the word, it reflects on the accuser.
I see you where in there with the Cass folks now..
How do you think she feels having her person being assasinated all the time.......
She is invisible, as Chandra said. She can get away with anything - she has gofers and minions, perhaps like you, to do her bidding. She has set up a major web site and writes daily with a huge team of dupes - she publishes many books now, a cash cow - she plagiarizes everyone, and, LOL, can get away with it (for now) by claiming her writing comes from ´aliens´ in the future! LOL, maybe Laura´s Spanish solicitor thinks that will wash in court - I don´t.
And above all she ACTIVELY SEEKS throughout her web site - DONATIONS.
She is fair game - I and my group know the truth - and we will expose it.
the world is in a very dark state of affairs, the SOTT signs of the times is doing nothing but showing the world
actually it is simply regurgitating everything on Rense and a few other places with the Laura spin on it - hugely anti-israel for example...
that all that one is being told is not so...they back it up...with reasonable discussion.......
what discussion??? they NEVER (or hardly ever) print any reader feedback
and when they do, 2 days ago for example, they follow up with a 3 page cop put excuse and lecture...
there is NO discussion with Laura
go join her list and find out for yourself
i didnt need them specifically to tell me this,though others may bennefit from what they do.....
maybe it is time to make peace Anders.....
I have made my peace with myself.
In the meantime I will follow this inevitable Kool Aid debacle with forensic interest. |
| Anders
User ID: 35288
10/23/2005 10:10 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Abraxas Incarnate
User ID: 11943
10/23/2005
9:21 pm EDT
wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
that post was amazing
keep it coming please
i have often wondered what will happen, another jonestown, another heaven´s gate
certainly has the potential |
| k
User ID: 15547
10/24/2005 12:24 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
keep it up |
| Vincent Bridges
User ID: 34764
10/24/2005 8:54 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
"V: Unlike LKJ, I do not publically publish private emails."
In other words you have no real proof that the cassiopaeans are a cult according to the proper definition.
V: What is the proper definition? Abduction and brainwashing?
"V: How dd you manage to do that, I wonder?"
I did it the same way as anybody else would, by using my own money to get there and back, but while I was there it was free, everybody there understood that I could only afford the fare, so I attended the classes and stayed in a tent.
Why, how would you do it, by using other peoples money?
V: As I thought... They ignored you because you´re poor, no dough to scam, and had little else to contribute.
"Which does seem to contradict your view of a cult don´t you think?"
"V: Nope, just because, for whatever reason, you had a pleasent experience doesn´t negate what the rest of us have experienced."
Oh, I think it does, this is my personal experience with the people you are classifying as a cult, as I said no one has harrased me whatsoever, so I think your claims are unfounded until you can produce the evidence that they are a cult according to the proper definition.
V: And what is the proper definition? See [link to www.cassiopaeacult.com]
Every cult can be defined as a group having all of the following 5 characteristics:
1. It uses psychological coercion to recruit, indoctrinate and retain its members
> The Cassiopaeanists use the leverage of the impending end of the world, The Wave’s arrival, and the come-on of secret insider information to coerce its recruits and indoctrinate them in the C-world mindset.
2. It forms an elitist totalitarian society
>The Cassiopaeanists are very elitist, only those with the right application of the Cassiopaeans’ secret knowledge will survive The Wave, and totalitarian in that there is one answer to all questions and no dissent is allowed.
3. Its founder leader is self-appointed, dogmatic, messianic, not accountable and has charisma
> The Cassiopaeanists are lead by Laura Knight-Jadcyzk, and her own history of her self appointed, dogmatic, messianic, definitely not accountable and charismatic happenings can be found in her on-going autohagiography, Amazing Grace.
4. It believes ´the end justifies the means´ in order to solicit funds and recruit people
> The Cassiopaeanists are not beyond conning money out of wealthy investors for anti-gravity research, as well as soliciting money for legal funds when their lies, scams and frauds catch up with them.
5. Its wealth does not benefit its members or society
> This one does not apply at the moment to the Cassiopaeanists, as they have no wealth, but should a wealthy Finnish businessman really give them mega-bux, we can be fairly sure it will benefit no one but themselves.
And here are two more definitions:
[link to la.essortment.com]
A charismatic, self-appointed leader with complete authority -
Cult members are taught not to question the teachings, practices, or ideas of the leader. Many cult leaders truly are charismatic people, and are able to influence people to believe them. It is common that a cult member is not told everything up front when joining the group, but that they are taught increasingly controlling ideas and teachings as they go. In the case of some of the more well-publicized cults that have come and gone, it is also common that the leader´s ideas and demands evolve over time, becoming increasingly controlling and restrictive. One very clear identifying element dealing with the leader of a cult is that the leader will always focus the attention and veneration of the members upon himself or herself. At the heart of a cult usually lies a very self-centered and self-seeking person.
A focus on withholding truth from non-members - Many cults teach their followers to be completely open and truthful within the group, while at the same time they are encouraged to be secretive and evasive when questioned by people outside of the group. This is another form of mind control-instilling guilt in the members if they hold anything back within the group. The members are taught that outsiders wouldn´t understand or that they would only make fun of the ideas and practices and requirements for living within the group. Only specially-commissioned members are appointed to recruit members from outside. New members are usually encouraged to keep silent or even lie, especially to their families and close friends.
> This one could have been written with the Cassiopaeanists in mind it is so accurate. The only significant difference is that specially commissioned members in the Cassiopaea cult are those who actually perform the cyber stalking and character assassination by infiltrating egroups and spreading disinformation. Cult recruitment in C-world comes via the Internet and their website
And: [link to www.ex-cult.org]
An organization that uses intensive indoctrination techniques to recruit and maintain members into a totalist ideology.
Intensive indoctrination techniques include:
1) Subjection to stress and fatigue
2) Social disruption, isolation and pressure
3) Self criticism and humiliation
4) Fear, anxiety and paranoia
5) Control of information
6) Escalating commitment
7) Use of auto-hypnosis to induce ´peak´ experiences
Totalism is defined by psychiatrist Robert Lifton as the tendency to view the world in terms of ´all or nothing´ alignments.Lifton details 8 ´psychological themes´ that can be found in totalist groups:
-- A ´sacred science´ -- an ideology that is held to be true for all people at all times. This ideology generally claims to be inspired and scientific at the same time.
-- ´Milieu control,´ the control of human communication, not only over our communications with others, but also with ourselves.
-- ´Mystical manipulation´ -- including deception and ´planned spontaneity´ which seeks limit self-expression and independent action.
-- The demand for purity, the notion that absolute purity exists,
andthat anything done in the name of this purity is ultimately moral.
-- ´The cult of confession´ -- "There is the demand that one confess to crimes one has not committed, to sinfulness that artificially induced, in the name of a cure that arbitrarily imposed." (Lifton, Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism)
-- ´Loading the language´ -- redefinition of language, with an emphasis on moral polarization, and thought terminating cliches.
-- ´Doctrine over person´ -- the subordination of personal experiences to the doctrines of the sacred science.
-- ´Dispensing of existence´ -- the doctrine that the group can decide who has the right to exist, and who does not. In other words, the cult manipulates the environment to ´set up´ the recruit to trap him or herself in a black and white mindset.
> This one fits the best of all. Totalism, as a mental perspective, appears to be at the root of all fundamentalisms. The Cassiopaeanists can be considered a form of scientific/materialist fundamentalism with spiritualist leanings. All "Knowledge" of value comes through the Cassiopaeans, as interpreted by Laura Knight-Jadcyzk with no dissent and no alternative interpretations allowed. Totalism, pure and simple…
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"As I said, try asking a few questions concerning their criminal behaviour and see how long the party lasts..."
I might just do that if I ever visit them again, and I get the feeling after meeting them that I might get as straight answer, rather unlike what you are trying to put over to people on this forum.
V: I encourage you to do so, and please share the response with us here...
You seem to have gathered a bit of a following yourself, maybe you have aspirations of becoming a a guru, maybe in some peoples eyes you already are.
V: LOL! You crack me up with this one, you really do... Look, old Anders/Andy was one of the very people who participated in the systematic harassment, LKJ´s term, of me back in the day... When you have testimony to a fact from from both sides of the disagreement, in court as you say, then that fact is considered as non-contested. That means that the very fact that we are here together is proof that the LKJ/Cassiopean group pretty much is what we say it is. When you also have dozens of other folks, and lame attempts at attacks and misdirections from the cult itself, the point should be more than obvious.
Glad you had a good time camping out back of the Chateau, crammed as you say with cultists, but really, try not to be so naive...
VB |
| Vincent Bridges
User ID: 34764
10/24/2005 9:34 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Abraxas Incarnate
User ID: 11943
10/23/2005
9:21 pm EDT
Greetings friends,
I´ve really been doing a great deal of thinking regarding this thread the past couple of days. I am surprised to find myself compelled out of a sense of karmic responsibility to cast a warning for Those With Ears to Hear.
The cult phenomenon- and make no mistake, the Cassio-peons ARE a dangerous cult- is the least understood yet most important factor in our current apocalyptic zeitgeist. As an expert on the subject, I feel I must step up to the plate and shed as much light as possible regarding it; specifically, the one perspective usually left out of such illuminations- the viewpoint of the cult leader/founder/central "source" of cosmic wisdom. We have a unique opportunity with the Casseo-peon story to allow for a clear window onto this shadowy, unspoken world.
V: LKJ and Fred were just fools in over their heads in a psychic situation they didn´t understand and couldn´t control.
And that is how it begins. Some special spark of contact is made, by one of two individuals. They gain access to information that is coming in from somewhere else. Right at the styart, especially given the method Laura and Fred chose, they should have been very suspicious of what was happening. But alas, as is often the case, the information was deemed "genuine" with no critical analysis made, and the new focus on "returning to the well" for more now became the prevailing plot level.
V: The unedited transcripts are devastating on that score. Why would you trust anything that such incompetent spirits had to say? Fred, in our discussions, was very clear that it was Laura that was getting the rush from the experience, and it is clear that it was feeding her badly damaged sense of self, giving her a degree of power and importance that she certaily didn´t have on her own. Without Fred, the whole complex unraveled quickly into the unbalanced and the cultic.
Pay attention to those two words- "plot level". If you take only one thing from all that I say, take away that conept. The "plot level" is the storyline of whatever may be happening. With Laura and Fred, it was the "amazing contact with the Cs" and subsequent returns to the well. This level of interaction with the channeled beings, whomever they may be, is ALMOST ALWAYS FALSE, THEATRICAL, AND MANIPULATIVE. Whomever the beings claim to be, you can bet they are most likely LYING THROUGH THEIR ASTRAL TEETH. So it is with ALL plot level, because it never amounts to anything more than a psychic medium to convey information while (this is the most important thing, too) feeding the beings giving said information.
The dangerous thing, of course, is that most cults- and the Casseo-peons are the classic example- have no understanding whatsoever of plot level or how it works. They assume, as do most who study this subject, that either the beings are genuine and honest about who/what they are, OR its all a bunch of insane bullshit, with nothing being real or of value. Neither option is entirely true or accurate.
V: So true...
V: In August, 2000, at point, there wasn´t a cult, just a group of people in cyberspace discussing the usual craziness, much like your yahoo group in fact.
This brings in another key factor that separates the C-cult from other, pre-internet cults, such as my own, which saw its height in 1990. I have seen and noted the similarities between my yahoo e-group, IlluminAlch, and Nuahj (pronounced "new-ahgug), my cosmic cult. In both cases, I was a central charismatic figure possessing "truth" which others did not have. Thankfully, my past experience with Nuahj gave me the wisdom to avoid the traps that IlluminAlch laid before me, almost by default, due to the times in which we live. I created IlluminAlch in March 2001; by the time 9/11 hit, obviously things could have gone into any direction I chose. I was already feeding the group with accounts of my recent astral plane visitations with the Revered Dead (VB and I originally bonded and argued over this material) and it would have been oh so easy to turn the whole thing into a real cult. This is something that we see happening all over the web now, with alleged gurus, crusaders, and cosmic whistleblowers of one form or another, from the most banal mundane NWO paranoids to outrageous grandiose plots, setting up shop at various sites and selling their plot levels in the great marketplace of whackiness.
The C-cult, however, is special, in that they are the first group to make it big, riding all the current waves of zeitgeist plot materials (their endless Pentagon strike video buzz being a perfect example).
This last factor, by the way, is what makes me suspect that the whole C-cult scenario has been hijacked by an intel op, who are now going to run it into the ground just to study the results clinically and "for free".
V: Yep... exactly what I´ve suspected for a while...
V: The main difference: LKJ had several e-groups, divided up according to their participants´ loyalty. The inner group looked like the main circle, but actually there was one beyond that!
This is standard issue cult activity. Once the plot level develops into a "siege mode", then a rigid sectioning must occur, with the inner-inner core of True Believers protecting the central gurus(s) while other less controversial diluted membranes of plot level are constructed around the central core.
For the Cs, the siege mode began as soon as the first stage- trips to the well- no longer met the group needs. This is because you can only sit at the feet of the cosmic master for so long, receiving platitudes and promises, before action is called for in one form or another. Things must be exciting, remember. Thus the guru(s) are forced to alter the message such that it becomes and us-them, "we´re under attack by the enemy" plot, which creates a whirlwind letting lose all the contents collected during the first stage.
Essentially the first stage of the cult, "going to the well", builds the cosmic feedback engine. The second stage, "under siege", turns the gnine on and gets the course of things moving in a specific direction. Remember: Stage one is based on deception, so stage two exists primarily to PREVENT CULT MEMBERS FROM REALIZING THE INITIAL DECEPTION. There´s nothing more distracting, or better for giving your scene the appearance of validity, than for your group to be attacked by "THEM´.
V: Yep, spot-on with this one... The circular logic keeps the deception from being examined on its own merits, and even can be used, as in the case of the House Raffle Scam, to wish away criminal behavior.
Here we see the indespensible role Vincent has played for them come into clear focus.
V: But the cult won´t let go of me, because they need the Dr Evil persona as proof of their nazi-like OP theology.
Right on time, just when the natural dynamics of cult-unfoldment demanded the shift, V appeared and provided the perfect excuse for Laura to turn the plot level over to stage two´s downward spirals; so the new storyline became about V the infiltrator, V the front for intelligence ops, V the evil saboteur, V the face of a much more malignant evil threatening everything good and right in C-land.
Phase tow is often fed by moments of small-scale paranoi, manufactured to give some juice to the otherwise lingering polot level. Thus Laura´s claims about her pet being killed, evil Mossad stealing her luggage, or WHATEVER. As the old Kinks album title said, "Something/Anything".
This will all lead of course to phase three of the cult cycle- the "final countdown". As with a Jonestown scene, the gurus become increasingly paranoid and need to have an impending "event" to justify all the excitement and conflict. In the twisted myhtos of C-land, this is of course writtne of in terms of the meteor showers that shall devastate us, the mysterious galactic wave that shall change us, or of the impending global nazi fascist state that shall try to enslave us.
It doesn´t matter WHAT "the event" is predicted to be; chances are, the cult will "go out guns blazing against The Man" before the target date can be reached. This will only seek to confirm everything, of course, from the point of view of the cult, because "the Man" wouldn´t be out to get them if they weren´t in possession of The Shocking Truth, right? Even if The Man is sent in as part of the pre-arranged intel op scheme, all known about ahead of time by the guru(s), of course, who now have the ultimate flashy ending to their cosmically important dramatic script.
The C´s are only in phase two thus far. Who´s putting bets on there being a fiery end prior to phase three?
V: Actually Steve, that´s what this is all about... If we can get the group to self destruct, enough people asking the inconvenient questions, before it reaches critical mass, then a Solar temple/Heavens gate/Waco scenario might be avoided... They are in stage three, perhaps only the early stages yet, but the more this thread gets attention then their usefulness to any kind of operation is minimalized.
VB |
| Anders
User ID: 35528
10/24/2005 9:46 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
V: Actually Steve, that´s what this is all about... If we can get the group to self destruct, enough people asking the inconvenient questions, before it reaches critical mass, then a Solar temple/Heavens gate/Waco scenario might be avoided... They are in stage three, perhaps only the early stages yet, but the more this thread gets attention then their usefulness to any kind of operation is minimalized.
Yes.
On that note... |
| John Souttar
User ID: 11797
10/24/2005 4:05 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Now you really are being taken in |
| John Souttar
User ID: 11797
10/24/2005 5:04 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
you´re right 836 its a scam. Let me tell you about my sect - so voluntary it is practically impossible to join - you really really dont have to. We house and feed you though. To be eligible you have to have died long ago. We do not have factions and falling out. Why dont you all get together and do something nice and synergetic?
Braxus - this is the worst news. They take almost exactly 15 years to come to term which is why 15 is you know whose number. Still you are lucky - I am the man and your member was right to bring you to me. Promote that member. One anti-virus - no charge as you know. Mirror time brax- you feel better now dont you? You are back in charge now. I like Santana too - well that one anyway. But dont want to be possessed by Santa Claus or Satan. My grandson´s dad´s name is Santana and it is one of his names. The little kid that the buddhists in Glastonbury call ´knowall´. Anyway glad we got that out of you. Incarnate? - briefly. See that´s why they say he said ´get thee behind me satan´ because the ac has to come first (they say). And it was a sure thing that one would come here no?
take care. |
| Abraxas Incarnate
User ID: 33373
10/24/2005 9:08 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Hey John, I don´t know what your problem is with me, and I really don´t care. But realize that your last post shows nothing meaningful and is actually a bit troubling:
"Braxus - this is the worst news."
Why consistently misspell my name? Are you an idiot or just an asshole?
"They take almost exactly 15 years to come to term which is why 15 is you know whose number."
John, you have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. The forces and figures I have been in contact with, the battles I have fought and won (or lost), are on a scale that trumps your weak analysis completely. Any further attempts to define me will only show more of your own ignorance.
"Still you are lucky - I am the man and your member was right to bring you to me. Promote that member."
YOU are "The Man"? In what way EXACTLY?
My friend does not want her identity known, as she is also on the casschat list and does not want to be subject to reprisals.
"One anti-virus - no charge as you know. Mirror time brax- you feel better now dont you? You are back in charge now."
What the hell are you babbling about?
"I like Santana too - well that one anyway."
If you think that my use of Abraxas has anything to do with santana´s album of the same name, you are really off the mark and showing your hand.
Finally, John, this last bit seems to end with an insinuation about my being the antichrist(?). Who can tell, your prose is so obscure, but if that is indeed your point, well, I guess I fit the bill better than most :)
"But dont want to be possessed by Santa Claus or Satan. My grandson´s dad´s name is Santana and it is one of his names. The little kid that the buddhists in Glastonbury call ´knowall´. Anyway glad we got that out of you. Incarnate? - briefly. See that´s why they say he said ´get thee behind me satan´ because the ac has to come first (they say). And it was a sure thing that one would come here no?"
Does anyone else have the slightest idea what John is getting at? Or is he just another C-cult stooge sent to this thread for purposes of distraction?
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| Anders
User ID: 35737
10/24/2005 9:15 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
bumpski |
| Anders
User ID: 35737
10/24/2005 9:22 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
My friend does not want her identity known, as she is also on the casschat list and does not want to be subject to reprisals.
AI
(wink)
I love this. I will say no more, and I trust you know why.
Just wanted to say, your two essays or so earlier - I have never quite seen an expose of a cult MO exposed like this before.
Many thanks for coming to this thread and shedding light. |
| Abraxas Incarnate
User ID: 33373
10/24/2005 10:26 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
"wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
that post was amazing
keep it coming please
i have often wondered what will happen, another jonestown, another heaven´s gate
certainly has the potential"
Hey Anders, I am glad you appreciate my efforts in this ongoing expose.
In this post I will be quoting from THE book to get regarding the UFO cult phenomenon, Jacques Vallee´s classic MESSENGERS OF DECEPTION. There is no book more valuable, and few even close to being as good, as Vallee´s 1979 expose of the contactee world. It is so prophetic as well, because he was investigating the Heaven´s Gate cult back when it was still known as HIM (Human Individual Metamorphosis), and in the pages of MOD Vallee really nails just about every important aspect of this all-important subject.
Put bluntly: This is the LAST book that Laura and the C-cult want you to read, so get it, right away! Sadly it is out of print but a bit of perseverance on Amazon and you will find a used copy easily.
Later I will reply in detail to V´s posts, as I purposely left a few dialogue aspects of our first exchange lingering, to be addresed soon.
Now, consider the C-cult in light of Vallee´s investigations. He acquired a few confidential sources inside the US, French, and Canadian governments, who he amalgamates in the book under the pseudonym character of "Major Murphy".
This is what the Major had to say about the UFO cults of the time, and just imagine how this can all be extrapolated in today´s context:
“The contactees are being manipulated. And I think we should look right here on earth for the Manipulators. The best place to start looking for them is among some of the occult groups. Such organizations are an ideal place for a clever individual to exercise his influence, because they are ignored by the intellectuals, by those who call themselves ‘scientific investigators’."
This would explain perfectly the role that the mysterious Dr Ark has served in the C-cult´s ongoing storyline; he represents the "alternate science" guru who dazzles the cult by trumping the establishment science community- the one institution that might present opposition to the C-spouted pseudo-science. I believe that we see a similar type of operation at work with "the twins", whose paper-about-nothing undermined the establishment thinking. More on this in a minute.
The Major continues:
“Look at what you have already found. You have here many contactee stories that appear meaningless or foolish at first. Yet they contain explosive ideas: political control from a so-called ‘higher level’; social unification; resistance to nuclear energy; transcending traditional religions; elimination of the current financial system. Keep looking. You might find that most of the UFO groups, including the major civilian organizations, are influenced by some strange people. And the pattern of conditioning you have discovered in your computer studies of UFO sightings may turn out to be aimed at long-term social changes."
The pattern being referred to is the result of one of Vallee´s brilliant techniques, wherein he fed elements of hundreds of UFO cases into a statistical analysis, and came up with the astounding conclusion that the whole phenomeon is being perpetuated to initiate a perceptual management realignment of mass consciousness.
And here, the Major is so spot-on that he could be talking directly about Dr Ark and the C-cult:
“Look for cases where direct contact seems to have taken place between such a group and someone who fits the profile of the Manipulators. And look for other unexplained effects which follow a similar modus operandi; things that have a strong symbolic content, but don’t seem to make sense. Things that academic science refuses to study, but which make a subliminal impact on the public. That’s the level where the Manipulators will do their work. If I’m not mistaken, the UFOs are only one aspect of their activity, one tool in their arsenal. If these beings are human, they have to reveal themselves occasionally, even if they are very good at misdirecting our attention.”
Is this or is it not a perfect summation of both Dr Ark and "the twins", in relation to the scientific establishment?
This exchange between Vallee and the Major is also very telling:
“What will you say, major, if I come back with evidence that some nonhuman beings are involved? Will you say that you were wrong, and that the occult groups were right?”
“I never said they were wrong,” retorted the Major. “I said they were infiltrated.”
So this is the key frequency to examine all of this material on if we want to get at the truth behind the entire unfolding C-saga.
Vallee also cautions us about another important factor:
"The group of people who will first manage to harness the fear of cosmic forces and the emotions surrounding UFO contact to a political purpose will be able to exert incredible spiritual blackmail."
Now, add that to this:
"It is not the UFO phenomenon itself, but the belief it has created, which is manipulated by human groups with their own objectives."
What could be the agenda then with the C-cult in this scenario? Obviously, we have seen major political propaganda coming out of the L´arkian compound, as their "under seige" mentality demands more elaborate enemies to fight. What about the thesis, however, that the anti-Bush/NWO agenda is all pretense, that Laura and company are being delibirately fed such a program in order to actually undermine it? This is something done by the CIA with groups such as MUFON and such in the last twenty years: Infiltrate, get your nmole to radicalize and hijack the group ideology to discrediting extremes, and watch the public reaction while analyzing the results.
Vallee sums it up nicely:
"The Major suggests that the ´spooks´ use the UFO groups to get information that is marginally useful to them, information that the group leaders themselves may not recognize as being important or relevant. And they use occult organizations as they always have, since the days of Dr. John Dee and Casanova: as a cover for their own designs. Some of the activities of the UFOs, which make no sense to the civilian groups, may be highly significant to an intelligence analyst who can correlate them with other specific data, such as infrared satellite scans of specific areas of the planet, or radioactivity measurements. A link with a national UFO organization will save the analyst’s employer the trouble of training and deploying field agents, or it will provide information to supplement their reports. In France, some UFO cases have been investigated by five government agencies."
Pay close attention to that last linbe. Valle himself is French, and has written extensviely in other books (REVELATIONS, for example) of how the French intel orgs deliberately created and staged various occult/UFO groups, one of which (though it didn´t implode until a few years after REVELATIONS was published) might have been the Order of the Solar Temple.
So L´ark just "happen" to move to France?
Hmmm....
Anyway, Vallee closes MOD with the following list of six explosive elements found in UFO contactee mythology:
1. The belief in UFOs widens the gap between the public and the scientific institutions.
2. The contactee propaganda undermines the image of human beings as masters of their own destiny.
3. Increased attention given to UFO activity promotes the concept of political unification of the planet.
4. Contactee organizations may become the basis of a new “high demand” religion.
5. Irrational motivations based on faith are spreading hand in hand with belief in extraterrestrial intervention.
6. Contactee philosophies often include belief in higher races and in totalitarian systems that would eliminate democracy.
So, perhaps others can now pick up the ball and overlay those six points with elements of the C-cult´s operation. I will do that myself later, when time permits.
Also, two more big replies coming for V. I´ll split our threads up into three relevant topic streams.
Until then....
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