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| Anders
User ID: 35737
10/24/2005 10:34 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Thanks Abraxas Incarnate, this is invaluable. |
| Abraxas Incarnate
User ID: 33373
10/24/2005 10:38 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
"My friend does not want her identity known, as she is also on the casschat list and does not want to be subject to reprisals.
AI
(wink)
I love this. I will say no more, and I trust you know why."
Hey Anders, wink wink right back at ´ya
"Just wanted to say, your two essays or so earlier - I have never quite seen an expose of a cult MO exposed like this before."
Thanks for the compliments. What am I bringing to the dialogue that is new and/or valuable for you?
"Many thanks for coming to this thread and shedding light."
You´re welcome. I´m just getting started!
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| Anders
User ID: 35737
10/24/2005 10:41 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Bump |
| You´ve been Warned!
User ID: 35805
10/25/2005 12:51 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Beware of that website!!!
Downloaded some of their info a few years ago, thought it was interesting. BUT, got some "requests for info" that supposedly came from paypal, and it turned out to have the Cassiopaea return address on it. We turned it into paypal, and deleted it from our computer. Never been back to that website.
In case you´re wondering, this is Left Field, not logged in.....
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| kris not signed in
User ID: 35818
10/25/2005 3:59 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
bump abraxas, vincent, anders
parenthetically
for those who may need to know
abraxas embodies providence, virtue
and wisdom, which is nice, and in
a jungian view abraxas gives life and death,
truth and lies, good and evil, light
and dark, so maybe not a good plan to
get in his way too much unless carrying
at least a light saber in back pocket
and
just to add a note to vb´s comment that
the inner groups had loyalty levels
the smaller circles may have been set up
in part to keep a closer watch on apparent
loyalists who were selected out, perhaps
in specific sub groups with certain characteristics
the selections may have been rather analytical, or maybe the choices of who fit where were more random and intuitive, or maybe both.
so...
was v complicated, labyrinthine, and still seems compelling to try to figure out, but
ultimately the experience was too much like
the puzzle palace.
to those still inside,
try to find your way out of the maze
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| Vincent Bridges
User ID: 35919
10/25/2005 10:04 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Hi Steve,
Just to show that I´m not quite the impossible curmudgeon, let me thank you for your thoughtful participation on this thread. To balance that out, let me say that Mr. Souttar is responding to those elements of your nature that often set some people´s teeth on edge.
Having said that, we´ll drop it... And go on to the excellent quotes and comments you provided:
This is what the Major had to say about the UFO cults of the time, and just imagine how this can all be extrapolated in today´s context:
“The contactees are being manipulated. And I think we should look right here on earth for the Manipulators. The best place to start looking for them is among some of the occult groups. Such organizations are an ideal place for a clever individual to exercise his influence, because they are ignored by the intellectuals, by those who call themselves ‘scientific investigators’."
This would explain perfectly the role that the mysterious Dr Ark has served in the C-cult´s ongoing storyline; he represents the "alternate science" guru who dazzles the cult by trumping the establishment science community- the one institution that might present opposition to the C-spouted pseudo-science. I believe that we see a similar type of operation at work with "the twins", whose paper-about-nothing undermined the establishment thinking. More on this in a minute.
V: Oh yeah, Darth Ark is indeed the key. Consider that before he met Laura, he was a low level academic whose scientific career had been devoted to checking others´ math, and perhaps a little spying on the side - he was sent to the west during the Cold War by his boss at the University, an Order of Lenin holder no less... His few papers under his own name were as much junk science as anything the twins ever put out. So, he meets Laura on the web, comes to visit, perhaps under his own incentive, and returns to find he has a problem. Not only is his wife freaking out, but he finds that several intel groups, including for sure Geo. Soros´ Central European University, were looking for him. He ends up at the CEU, and has some strange experiences, according to LKJ´s accounts, and then decides to leave permently for the USA. He can do this because he has a job with spook central, a consulting firm at the University of Florida with major ties to TRW and the CIA. He lays low for a while, until, just about the time Fred quit, and Laura went public on the web in a big way, Ark loses his security clearance and is fired from his consulting job. They were deep in debt, with nothing coming in but what the cult in being could scam out of the world. That was the situation when I met them. Everything that happened after that only makes sense if you keep these facts in mind...
The Major continues:
“Look at what you have already found. You have here many contactee stories that appear meaningless or foolish at first. Yet they contain explosive ideas: political control from a so-called ‘higher level’; social unification; resistance to nuclear energy; transcending traditional religions; elimination of the current financial system. Keep looking. You might find that most of the UFO groups, including the major civilian organizations, are influenced by some strange people. And the pattern of conditioning you have discovered in your computer studies of UFO sightings may turn out to be aimed at long-term social changes."
The pattern being referred to is the result of one of Vallee´s brilliant techniques, wherein he fed elements of hundreds of UFO cases into a statistical analysis, and came up with the astounding conclusion that the whole phenomeon is being perpetuated to initiate a perceptual management realignment of mass consciousness.
And here, the Major is so spot-on that he could be talking directly about Dr Ark and the C-cult:
“Look for cases where direct contact seems to have taken place between such a group and someone who fits the profile of the Manipulators. And look for other unexplained effects which follow a similar modus operandi; things that have a strong symbolic content, but don’t seem to make sense. Things that academic science refuses to study, but which make a subliminal impact on the public. That’s the level where the Manipulators will do their work. If I’m not mistaken, the UFOs are only one aspect of their activity, one tool in their arsenal. If these beings are human, they have to reveal themselves occasionally, even if they are very good at misdirecting our attention.”
Is this or is it not a perfect summation of both Dr Ark and "the twins", in relation to the scientific establishment?
V: Yes, in many ways it is... But there is so much more to it... The fascination of the whole yarn is how something so screwy and mundane as Laura and Fred´s adventures in C-land became a major dis-information cult. Now that´s a story worth uncovering...
This exchange between Vallee and the Major is also very telling:
“What will you say, major, if I come back with evidence that some nonhuman beings are involved? Will you say that you were wrong, and that the occult groups were right?”
“I never said they were wrong,” retorted the Major. “I said they were infiltrated.”
So this is the key frequency to examine all of this material on if we want to get at the truth behind the entire unfolding C-saga.
Vallee also cautions us about another important factor:
"The group of people who will first manage to harness the fear of cosmic forces and the emotions surrounding UFO contact to a political purpose will be able to exert incredible spiritual blackmail."
V: Indeed...
Now, add that to this:
"It is not the UFO phenomenon itself, but the belief it has created, which is manipulated by human groups with their own objectives."
What could be the agenda then with the C-cult in this scenario? Obviously, we have seen major political propaganda coming out of the L´arkian compound, as their "under seige" mentality demands more elaborate enemies to fight. What about the thesis, however, that the anti-Bush/NWO agenda is all pretense, that Laura and company are being delibirately fed such a program in order to actually undermine it? This is something done by the CIA with groups such as MUFON and such in the last twenty years: Infiltrate, get your nmole to radicalize and hijack the group ideology to discrediting extremes, and watch the public reaction while analyzing the results.
V: Actually, due to several levels of strangeness, something even more twisted may be at play. Remember they are a White Op, a public front designed to seem marginal, and are not, classically, a UFO cult; that is they are not among the usual suspects. If you remember my thesis in The UFO Enigma, then a blending of spiritualism and junk-science within a science-ficitional framework that includes UFO, marks a new stage in the development of the phenomenon. The Cs, who had nothing original to say, eventually had little to do with what LKJ´s Cult became. That happened after 9/11 and during our initial conflicts. The political element gave an odd kind of credibility to what otherwise wouldn´t have been noticed. By the time the Raffle scam happened and they fled to France and tried to start up again with a strictly political slant, the shift was complete. Infiltrated and controlled, ready to go... And then, once again, just as LKJ made the Rense radio show, here I come again with those inconvenient questions... As that conflict unfolded, things went really, spectaculary bad in France. They were thrown out of their house, was sued and lost for the damages, they libeled the local Prefect, the police chief/magistrate, who is suing them at this moment, and bounced a check for 50,000 Euros for another Chateau, charges have been dropped on that one. They were rescued, mysteriously, by friends of the Bog twins, and pretty much given the use of the current Chateau in Castelsarrasin... So far, they have been protected by some one with pull, but the local police are well aware of all the strangeness at the Chateau...
Vallee sums it up nicely:
"The Major suggests that the ´spooks´ use the UFO groups to get information that is marginally useful to them, information that the group leaders themselves may not recognize as being important or relevant. And they use occult organizations as they always have, since the days of Dr. John Dee and Casanova: as a cover for their own designs. Some of the activities of the UFOs, which make no sense to the civilian groups, may be highly significant to an intelligence analyst who can correlate them with other specific data, such as infrared satellite scans of specific areas of the planet, or radioactivity measurements. A link with a national UFO organization will save the analyst’s employer the trouble of training and deploying field agents, or it will provide information to supplement their reports. In France, some UFO cases have been investigated by five government agencies."
Pay close attention to that last linbe. Valle himself is French, and has written extensviely in other books (REVELATIONS, for example) of how the French intel orgs deliberately created and staged various occult/UFO groups, one of which (though it didn´t implode until a few years after REVELATIONS was published) might have been the Order of the Solar Temple.
So L´ark just "happen" to move to France?
Hmmm....
V: Convenient, don´t you think?
Anyway, Vallee closes MOD with the following list of six explosive elements found in UFO contactee mythology:
1. The belief in UFOs widens the gap between the public and the scientific institutions.
2. The contactee propaganda undermines the image of human beings as masters of their own destiny.
3. Increased attention given to UFO activity promotes the concept of political unification of the planet.
4. Contactee organizations may become the basis of a new “high demand” religion.
5. Irrational motivations based on faith are spreading hand in hand with belief in extraterrestrial intervention.
6. Contactee philosophies often include belief in higher races and in totalitarian systems that would eliminate democracy.
V: Given when JV was writing this, it is almost prescient. It gives us a way to compare groups as apparently different as National Socialism, Scientology, the Nation of Islam and the Cassiopaean Cult and come up with those telling similarities...
1) Irreality extends to re-writing the laws of nature in terms of a new illuminated or revealed "science."
2) Hidden Masters of any kind implies the inferiority and inequality of the follower.
3) There is always a political agenda, however it is expressed.
4) There is always a "religious" agenda, as part of that political agenda.
5) Irrational motivations actualize the mass mind and build the group cohesiveness. Faith, not proof, is all that is required...
6) Us are always more advanced than Them.
VB |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 35969
10/25/2005 12:49 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Bump |
| John Souttar
User ID: 11797
10/25/2005 1:12 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Abraxas Incarnate
As I apologise let me explain how I came to be so misguided.
Re the name. Well I was one of the millions who bought that Abraxas album with PG´s Black Magic Woman on it long before I knew what Abraxas meant. I thought you might be similar after all you wrote: "As the old Kinks album title said Something/Anything" (with ref to Laura´s pet being killed etc). Also you say ´Dont they know the old Twisted Sister song goes "Stay away from Captain Howdy". So there was I thinking you may be influenced (perhaps unknowingly) by an old album.
Next I had noticed that ´I run a cosmic conspiracy group´ and ´even ran a UFO contact cult myself in the early 90´s´ And you channelled ´vampires...ghosts of various elves, demons, gods you name it´. So I got a bit worried about you.
Here is Laura doing something similar perhaps but in her case you say ´I agree the c-cult is a dangerous thing´ and ´make no mistake the Cassio-peans are a dangerous cult´. Now I see my error as of course you would know this.
Finally you say ´I am possessed but not by anything you might suspect´. Now I know that I write stuff that sounds like ´L´ark-ian fuldergarb´ but I am not in fact a ´C-cult stooge´. I just inherited a strange ability from my dad who was a priest and one of the great exorcists of his generation who worked his heart out during WW2 combatting immeasurable evils gathered then. Both of us can spot an incubus miles away so I took yours away for you. I dont expect thanks as you were an awkward person before.
Let me finish by saying that I do not like anyone in the world writing that I am an ´asshole´. This may be mainstream American but it suggests an undeveloped mind also. So I do not think you should be leading any cults nor crticising others that do. Far from ´throwing light´ on this matter you have thrown fuel which is what I call inciting.
Thanks Vincent for your comment about Mr Souttar. Brax sure lacks a sense of humour. I bet he sings that old Abraxas song all the time - ´Got me so blind I cant see´. |
| John Souttar
User ID: 11797
10/25/2005 3:06 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Thanks Kris not signed in this is invaluable.
Not that Braxus here has any of those qualities. Am I paranoid or do I notice a typically cult-like veiled threat here too? The fact is that however hard we may try to deceive, our body language reveals what we are up to and who we are. Anders wont notice and VB may pretend not to. The really interesting question to me is what are you lot up to? The answer revealed suggests that you must be trying to take over the C-cult. Good luck - you are both as bad as each other. My sect will be looking into all veiled threats against me. And hopefully Abraxus Incarnate, the pompous one here, will realise criticism is a good and healthy sign. You got to take what you give out (anti - sect wisdom). And bad language is most un Abraxas (see I can spell it!)
(Also he never replied about meeting these ones -possibly in a dream. Please assure him that they are not ´anything you might suspect´. And quite nice people - come to think of it they may not get on.)
Take care my friend nothing is as it appears. |
| Anders
User ID: 36020
10/25/2005 3:29 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
What am I bringing to the dialogue that is new and/or valuable for you?
Very refreshing to get the POV of someone who has been there, done that. Your comments about cults are very astute, and make a lot of sense. I am no expert on Cults, but I know one when I see one. |
| John Souttar
User ID: 11797
10/25/2005 3:56 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
´My friend does not want her identity known, as she is also on the casschat list and does not want to be subject to reprisals.´
Abraxus you seem to quote this as if said by me. I never wrote these words or anything like them. Anders winks too. More interesting.
Anders - is Icke´s site still down? No wonder the chickens are running around headless. That is a cult just starting to charge. It is like star formation - totally predictable. We are all responsible for great one being unable to pay bills. Who is promoting this? Anders no less. So what do the Major and Reverend Dead say about charging members? That is the real crime. Most members incidentally are there for the sex - they do not care much about knowledge. The Bhagwanee Sanyassins were a classic case of this kind of devotion. These days internet offers sects without sex or paying. That´s where they go wrong. Even in church most of the congregation are thinking about sex or money. Chateaux are sexy and cost money - very clever.
Anyway I object to Abraxus seemingly quoting me on something I never wrote. Detract! |
| Anders
User ID: 36020
10/25/2005 3:59 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
John - the wink was not aimed atyou. I will say no more!
WE ARE BACK AFTER LATEST ATTEMPT TO DISRUPT US
´Mr. President .... I just got some baaaaad news ...´
Davidicke.com is now up and running again after a major technology upgrade following an attack on the site more than five days ago that gave us no option, but to take it down temporarily. It took the form of a massive increase in traffic out of nowhere - like six million page requests more than normal in a very short time - which took so much bandwidth that it was costing us a ridiculous amount of money in excess bandwidth charges that we could not afford. With the new system the site will be very much more difficult to attack in this way.
It´s just the latest challenge to be overcome - and it has been. My thanks to volunteer webmaster John Peters for his tireless and dedicated work over the last few days to get Davidicke.com back on line.
Thank-you, also, for all the kind comments and good wishes after I explained our financial situation the other day. Now the site is back up you can subscribe to the newsletter by clicking here ... www.davidicke.com/info.htm. The cost is £3 (about $5) a month for four substantial newsletters sent to your email each week from now on and if you wish to pay by other means please contact Kerry at Info@bridgeoflove.com
The latest newsletter is waiting to go out now, but I will update it and hold it until Thursday to give people the chance to subscribe.
You´ll notice that many of the archives are not available at the moment. This is because they are being revamped and transferred to the new site format, which is coming shortly.
We´re getting there!
best wishes,
David |
| Anders
User ID: 36020
10/25/2005 4:02 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
I am not promoting Icke at all, just keeping ppl informed. I won´t be forking out 3 quid a month, as I get my own information by myself. I don´t feel the need to subscribe. I hardly think Icke is a cult figure, and he certainly has no acolytes that I know of. |
| Abraxas Incarnate
User ID: 33373
10/25/2005 7:51 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Good morning friends,
V wrote:
"Just to show that I´m not quite the impossible curmudgeon, let me thank you for your thoughtful participation on this thread."
Hey, my pleasure. It is good to be interacting with you again, on a subject where we are in parallel positions (good for avoiding the old conflict traps).
"To balance that out, let me say that Mr. Souttar is responding to those elements of your nature that often set some people´s teeth on edge."
Yes, I realize that. I started it I suppose by questioning his speed/density thing. So as not to let his distract us, I am now on to direct addressing of John´s last post.
John, you wrote:
"As I apologise let me explain how I came to be so misguided."
I apologize to you, John, for coming off as such a pompous jerk. Let´s get this over and move on, please, because the last thing this thread needs is a whole sidetracked subdialogue about egos in collision.
"Re the name. Well I was one of the millions who bought that Abraxas album with PG´s Black Magic Woman on it long before I knew what Abraxas meant."
Your consistent mis-spelling just annoyed me. I am sorry to have used the word "asshole" if it particularly bothers you; note, please, that I just asked IF you were one, not declared that you ARE one ;)
"was I thinking you may be influenced (perhaps unknowingly) by an old album."
A fair assumption, but the thing that really annoyed me more was the chaotic stream of consciousness to your prose. Some one what you wrote is, simply put, unintelligible, and thus opoen for me to read into it all the wrong things.
"Next I had noticed that ´I run a cosmic conspiracy group´ and ´even ran a UFO contact cult myself in the early 90´s´ And you channelled ´vampires...ghosts of various elves, demons, gods you name it´. So I got a bit worried about you."
Understandable. Your concern is not needed, but it IS appreciated :)
"Now I know that I write stuff that sounds like ´L´ark-ian fuldergarb´"
Hey man, I am sorry for insulting your stuff, but really, what the heck DOES density mean?
"but I am not in fact a ´C-cult stooge´."
OK. If you can drop this proto-conflict with me and get us back on track, you will prove that you are NOT a C-cultist.
"I just inherited a strange ability from my dad who was a priest and one of the great exorcists of his generation who worked his heart out during WW2 combatting immeasurable evils gathered then."
I respect your powers, just don´t try using them at a distance through a screen on me of all people.
"Both of us can spot an incubus miles away so I took yours away for you. I dont expect thanks as you were an awkward person before."
John, here you go again assuming that it is even possible for you to know me or see into my soul in this fashion. You don´t and you can´t, so please stop trying, it will only annoy me further.
"I do not think you should be leading any cults nor crticising others that do. Far from ´throwing light´ on this matter you have thrown fuel which is what I call inciting."
Nonsense. Of all people, I am among the MOST qualified to denounce Laura and all that cultists like her are about, because I know exactly what, how, and why her game is being run.
You still have failed to illuminate how what I have written here, specifically in the big threads having nothing to do with you, qualifies as "incitement", unless of course "incitement to find the truth" is what you are talking about.
"Brax sure lacks a sense of humour."
On the contrary, I have a very wicked sense of humour, but do not employ it when people make lame and incorrect assumptions about me.
And this crap about threatening you John, come on, please, get real:
"My sect will be looking into all veiled threats against me."
If your sect decides to look into me, tell them to bring a powerful electron microscope as well as the Hubble telescope.
"And hopefully Abraxus Incarnate, the pompous one here, will realise criticism is a good and healthy sign."
Criticism is fine, John; but it must be based on facts relevant to my actual condition, and not on irrelevant and meaningless points arbitrary assigned to me by you, someone who does NOT understand me in the slightest. Your one valid criticism of me, which I will certainly take into consideration thoughtfully, is bad language.
More later, back on track and on point, when time allows...
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| Abraxas Incarnate
User ID: 33373
10/25/2005 8:15 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Hey Anders, you wrote:
"I am not promoting Icke at all, just keeping ppl informed. I won´t be forking out 3 quid a month, as I get my own information by myself. I don´t feel the need to subscribe. I hardly think Icke is a cult figure, and he certainly has no acolytes that I know of."
I have mixed feelings on Icke. On one hand, his research has been synchronicitously invaluable to me, delivering many providential packages that I have found useful. None of it, of course, has anything directly to do with the validity or not of Icke´s position; in fact, many times I have received the exact opposite message to what he is writing/ranting about, confirmed synchronicitously in a way that reveals hidden subtext within his message.
On the other hand, he is a total fool duped by the dark forces into giving them far too much credit. There are no shapeshifiting reptilians, and there will be no fascist NWO implanting microchips to enslave us all. Dick Cheney does NOT drink the blood of virgins nor does Tony Blair keep a cadre of sex slaves. Etc etc so on and so forth. All smoke and mirriors, plot level run awry.
BUT it must be noted that Icke has tremendous value. I even broke down and spent an absurd amount of coin to acquire on of his triple DVD sets, "Freedom Road", which surprised me with how thorough and complex his symbolic networking really is. There´s more smoke than fire, naturally, but the fires he DOES light burn very brightly and illuminate much even for those who have been around the block as many times as I.
There is also another big similarity to the C-cult, in that the volume of information kept at both sites- ICke and the Cass main site- can give the random browser much of worth to consider. However- and this is especially key for the Cass site- without an understanding of what plot level IS and how to deal with it effectively, both sites are also dangerous rabbit holes filled with cosmic quicksand.
More from me shortly...
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| Abraxas Incarnate
User ID: 33373
10/25/2005 10:48 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Ok, just trying to attend to some final points to John before moving on totally.
He wrote:
"Anyway I object to Abraxus seemingly quoting me on something I never wrote. Detract!"
John, I have nothing to "detract" (I think you meant "RE-tract") since of course I knew that I wasn´t quoting you, since the quote in question is from ME.
This is just a result of the vague way that boards like this are run, it is often confusing what is being quoted or what is new in some posts.
Now, Kris-not-signed-in actually gave a good description of me:
"abraxas embodies providence, virtue
and wisdom, which is nice, and in
a jungian view abraxas gives life and death,
truth and lies, good and evil, light
and dark, so maybe not a good plan to
get in his way too much unless carrying
at least a light saber in back pocket"
Obviously not a direct view of me personally, but it is an excellent window of perspective from which to view my communications, which are shaped by my understanding of the Abraxas Effect.
And btw John, the power that possesses me- it is a five dimensional interface with the Goddess Intelligence.
Not the I expect you to understand that, given your previous (deliberate?) misunderstandings of me, but I figured I would at least lay that card on the table as well.
ANYWAY, back to the things we are really here to discuss...
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| Abraxas Incarnate
User ID: 33373
10/25/2005 11:26 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
OK then, I asked the question:
The C´s are only in phase two thus far. Who´s putting bets on there being a fiery end prior to phase three?
Anders replied with:
"i have often wondered what will happen, another jonestown, another heaven´s gate
certainly has the potential"
And Vincent gave us this:
V: Actually Steve, that´s what this is all about... If we can get the group to self destruct, enough people asking the inconvenient questions, before it reaches critical mass, then a Solar temple/Heavens gate/Waco scenario might be avoided...
Alright guys, try THIS one on for size and see if it fits...the Hidden Variables of any cult scene, the pieces of agenda that make everything fall into place and reveal what is actually going on, are only perceptible from the cult guru´s point of view. In essence, we need to think like Laura (Egad! Help!) in order to find out why she has played things a certain way.
Look deep inside the mind of a cult leader, and you will find an ego caught in its own web of lies, desperate to never be revealed. Literally, the guru would rather die than be exposed as a total fraud and lose the faithful. In fact, the guru would PREFER that everyone in the cult die rather than have the truth be known. Its the same logic behind the particualr type of killer calkled a "family annihilator". Typically, it is a successful white male in his 40s, who has suddenly lost his job and can no longer keep up the lifestyle his family is accustomed to. Thus, to spare them the pain of hard times and losing their high-brow world, the father annihilates them, bringing death while at the top, to avoid having to fall to the bottom. The same dynamic is in play with a cult leader, but things are much much worse.
You see, this would "explain" the House Raffle scam and the way that they obviously blundered the fraud and will eventually get caught for it and other crimes. It´s all part of the program. Laura WANTS the government of France or whomever to indict her, threaten to send in the law and drag her away, because it will be the ultimate justification for her beliefs and it provides the shocking easy-way-out for her personally. If she is taken down in flames by The Man for what will obviously be sold to the cult as "THEM trying to shut down OUR voice of truth", then there is never any need for her Big Lie to be exposed.
This is the standard issue fare for cult scenarios- fading from the phase two "waiting game" of being "Under Siege" directly into phase three´s bloody "final countdown."
Now Vincent objected to this as a possibility in this comment:
"They are in stage three, perhaps only the early stages yet, but the more this thread gets attention then their usefulness to any kind of operation is minimalized."
But I would argue that the drasiming awauy of usefulness through the exposutre this thread creates may actually force the final countdown to happen sooner, moving up the timetable, especially if we ARE having a noticeable drip-drip-drip effect on the cult mindset.
LAURA WOULD RATHER DIE THAN LOSE THE CULT.
Now then, V wrote this:
"Remember they are a White Op, a public front designed to seem marginal, and are not, classically, a UFO cult; that is they are not among the usual suspects. If you remember my thesis in The UFO Enigma, then a blending of spiritualism and junk-science within a science-ficitional framework that includes UFO, marks a new stage in the development of the phenomenon."
I agree with this, but the new stage information that would have been the whole point has been already obtained by the White Ops manipulators; thus, there is nothing for them to lose, nowhere to go but into the fire.
"The Cs, who had nothing original to say, eventually had little to do with what LKJ´s Cult became. That happened after 9/11 and during our initial conflicts. The political element gave an odd kind of credibility to what otherwise wouldn´t have been noticed."
This means to me that the Manipulators, working through Dr Ark, are using the cult as a control system to test out apocalyptic political plots, which are obviously in play to the extreme and present problems that the Manipulators need resolved. So, they find a proto-cult scene with the original Laura-Fred C-contacts. They Dr Ark is sent in to make things much darker according to the script being fed through him by the Manipulators. They want to test the willing public´s response to not just whacked out 9/11 theories, but also more slippery pseudo-science concepts- which have actually been a major focus of the phase two conflicts. Not only are they "Under siege" from the evil Bush/Mossad/NWO, but they are also doing a righteous battle against the evils of the scientific establishment, which as we all know is the TRUE nasty force holding back human evolution. Oh, thank heavens Dr Ark and the twins have been sent in to help show us the way in precise quasi-mathematical terms! How impressive!
It is all a labaoratory, being run by the Manipulators, who WILL burn it down in the end, once the data no longer produces what they desire. In fact, in order for the experiment to have ANY value, they MUST run it into the ground to study the full arc of the cult effect.
Thus:
"By the time the Raffle scam happened and they fled to France and tried to start up again with a strictly political slant, the shift was complete. Infiltrated and controlled, ready to go... And then, once again, just as LKJ made the Rense radio show, here I come again with those inconvenient questions..."
I think that your questions, V, are VERY coinvenient, because once your expose puts the pressure on to the point where they DO face jail time etc, you can bet that this will be the alarm bell for the Final Countdown to begin.
Just look at what has happened:
"As that conflict unfolded, things went really, spectaculary bad in France. They were thrown out of their house, was sued and lost for the damages, they libeled the local Prefect, the police chief/magistrate, who is suing them at this moment, and bounced a check for 50,000 Euros for another Chateau, charges have been dropped on that one. They were rescued, mysteriously, by friends of the Bog twins, and pretty much given the use of the current Chateau in Castelsarrasin... So far, they have been protected by some one with pull, but the local police are well aware of all the strangeness at the Chateau..."
So the Manipulators have total control over the situation, and are currently using the conflict to up the tension within the group as well as root out any phase three members who might not be willing to go all the way. The amazing legal rescue implies a deadly reversal when it suits the needs of the Manipulators- when they are ready to shut down the experiment and analyze the results.
So given all of that, I seriosuly question whether or not there is any option other than a fiery end, especially when the good efforts being made here are nevertheless playing into the long-term plan of the Manipulators. Of course, we still are bringing useful light to thwe whole thing, and can prevent others from falling into the rabbit hole- but as far as anyone still down there with L´ark, forget them. They are already dead, most likely- they just havent received the instructions to drink the Kool-Aid yet.
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| Abraxas Incarnate
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10/26/2005 12:15 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Last bit of commentary today, concerning the mysterious fascist theology of Organic Portals.
For one thing it is old news. It may seem like an original idea of Laura´s, but it is merely a default psychodynamic of the cult process. Back in the days of my own cult, our version of this OP theology became one of the most disturbing and slippery aspects of the whole unfolding plot level.
It works like this. Obviously, some people are awake and others (at least 70% of humanity) are asleep inside the dream of consesnsus reality, what David Icke and now Laura have identified as the Matrix. They are correct in that most people are slaves to dogmatic ideologies that rob them of true consciousness. Its no surprise then that when you create a cult scenario, or even just set out on your own private path of gnosis, this OP interference will appear and try to undermine your progress. Why? Because you are sectioning off your consciousness from the collective, resulting in a feedback within your own psyche causing strange feelings about "other people" who are not part of your plot level.
Thius it is inescapible that any outsider coming into the plot will be, by defualt, cast in an OP light. At its most benign, this means that your parents, family, and friends not in the cult, will try to "undermine your progress" simply because they care about you and do not understand what is happening to you. From within the plot level cult view, this can be seen as nothing less than a deadly threat to the cult as a whole, thus associating with people from your old life is always discouraged.
On a more sinister note, you can begin to suck these people INTO the plot, and then they are seen as deliberate infiltrators "sent in" to bring down the cult. This is when things can get really scary. For example, cosmic figures with whom you are in contact warn you that the dark forces are going to send a spy to infiltrate your cult. The next day, completely by chance, you meet an old friend who wants to drop by and see what you are up to nowadays. Next thing you know, your cult comrades will have him knocked out on the floor, checking his skull for implanted surveillance devices. Do you think I am joking? NOT AT ALL. I´ve seen this, and much worse, result from the shadowy uncertainty that the OP theology creates.
The sad fact is, some people are so asleep that they CAN be hijacked by sinister forces and have their conscious minds subverted, effectively turning them into organic portals for off-stage controllers from anywhere to manipulate. I call them Agents of Chaos. BUT this can only be done to people around you IF YOU ALREADY BELIEVE IN IT. In fact, it is YOUR OWN MIND (or the cult groupthink mind) that makes this invasion possible.
It has to do with the way that reality is merely manufactured by group agreement. Essentially what happens is that an alternative consensus reality is constructed, within which the cult operates. This alternate reality has alternate rules and creates a magickal space where weird, impossible things can occur, AS LONG AS EVERYONE PRESENT IS OF ONE MIND. If an interloper of some kind enters the scene, the alternate reality will reconfigure that person´s consciousness in the same way that everyone else´s is being altered; the difference is, since the new interloper is not one of the plot level participants, the only role left open IS that of the OP infiltrator. All of this happens unconsciously, entirely by default. If the interloper is weak, they will become possessed/hijacked by whatever "enemy" the cult plot has proivided; if the interloper is of a strong character, then his own personal outrage and concern will make him an equally effective plot level front for said enemy- such as happened with Vincent and the Cs.
What NO ONE seems to understand is that this effect comes about for one reason only: We humans are ALL connected as neurons in the planetary brain. When a cult is created, it is like one small section of the brain "going insane" and manufacturing its own reality, having nothing to do with the consensus reality the brain is collectively experiencing.
Morpheus unplugs Neo from the Matrix, but oh no- Look! Agents are everywhere....
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| Abraxas Incarnate
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10/26/2005 1:22 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Rereading my last post, I realize that it could easily be misconstrued to mean that I am somehow "validating" or "justifying" Laura´s Organic Portal theology. Hardly.
Her abuse of the principle has warped it into a fascist creed designed to dehumanize any and all who do not agree with the mythos of C-land. This is obviously the extreme result of the default psychodynamics I outlined in my previous post.
I see very clearly how and why she has concocted this version of the theory. It makes the Under Siege phase all the more exciting and sets up anyone who might object in terms that make it possible for Laura to have anything at all done to friends and family members of cult members, not to mention legitimate enemies, up to and including murder, all under the premise that "they aren´t REALLY human anyway..."
Dangerous stuff, and it must be understood, which is again my whole point in being here.
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 36266
10/26/2005 7:20 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
abraxas, john, vincent, anders
okay i signed in
truly dire terminal diagnosis above
from abraxas, serious, in fact a
horrific possible end of
apparent present path, but who knows
suggest another script
there may be another way, everyone
could learn what they came to learn
and dissolve the fellowship in peace
people i cared for deeply are
bound there, i hold out hopes
they survive, live long, prosper, make
amends, do community service, escape
the round of death and rebirth, see
the virtue and merit in growing grapes,
change spots, let go, give back
money, write fond notes to distant
families, ride horses in the sun,
forget mouravieff,
and try to remember
everything that happens. |
| kris
User ID: 36266
10/26/2005 7:27 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
oh well
post above is mine, i am just so slow
the system timed me out. |
| Anders
User ID: 36255
10/26/2005 7:29 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
10080
absolutely - i echo your thoughts and hope it turns out this way
but is easy to say this from our perspective on the ´outside´
i rather suspect it takes superhuman will to make a break for those on the ´inside´ for several years
especially those caught in the crucible - the chateau
they certainly, if nothing elese, have lost all sense of morality and honour
witness them trying to scare me off in the most reprehensible of ways on pages 5/6 and 53/4 and constant attacks on all my other threads
and of course all the fraud and theft and bounced cheques and canx conferences and upsetting of their hosts (the French people) and on and on
i see no honour and no heightened sense of STO morality
none at all
certainly since Ark turned up
i see that they have learned nothing at all from the ´good´ Cs, the early ones, the first contacts with Fred as the tuning fork... |
| kris
User ID: 36266
10/26/2005 7:53 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
friends, you drank some darkness. |
| Anders
User ID: 36255
10/26/2005 7:53 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Abraxas - many thanks for your input - I am shutting up and listening and learning with your other interactions. More laters... |
| John Souttar
User ID: 11797
10/26/2005 3:34 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Well now we are all friends I will desist from annoying you and make this suggestion.
If we look at cults as a natural thing -: Amen, Christian esp monastic parts, Mormon, Communist, New Age - they all have something in common.
A child is sent from her family to marry a stranger in another culture. There are so many forces at play, many of which can be called evil, it lives under a mantle of this. But what is the truth of it? Pollination in effect. We dont all do it. Some will never marry, others marry a cousin in another part of town. A chosen few will be sent away.
The one sent back (Anders for example) cannot be happy about this, but is in effect a double pollinator.
We at GLP feed on the nectar really. These sad and hard experiences we have been a part of are of great interest.
Laura is part of the New Age cult. So is Icke. Put together you can see how similar they are. Icke very nice until it comes to money. Laura too apparently. And instead of an unbelievable Bible we now have direct revelations just like we read in the old book. Daniel is Laura now. Elijah is ST in BG. So they are all mad as hatters but there is something else really going on. That is the real matria (one up on a matrix).
So what is real? Our spirit life is my preference over aliens. We are on the illusory side shunted around to compensate for our spirit life. A rich man there is a poor man here they used to say in Egypt. So my Dad was a poor priest who once said to me he had been a pharaoh. I subsequently was able to confirm this at the British Museum, one of his spirit´s residences. As it happens my spirit life is particularly interested in all of yours. We are all poor aren´t we? At the moment. Until we get together.
So what is this five dimensional interface with the Goddess? Please explain as we are all longing to know. This is the pollen coming home is it not. And here is the book that needs to be written in my mind. |
| Abraxas Incarnate
User ID: 33373
10/26/2005 7:13 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Kris wrote:
"truly dire terminal diagnosis above
from abraxas, serious, in fact a
horrific possible end of
apparent present path, but who knows"
Hey kris, I am not making the dire prediction because I want to; this is just how I read the tea leaves, based on my experience with this world. I could be wrong about the fiery end of the C-cult.
But I don´t think I am...
"there may be another way, everyone
could learn what they came to learn
and dissolve the fellowship in peace"
I just don´t see Laura letting go of the power, this is her entire existence, and she will die to defend it, taking whomever with her that she can. IN MY OPINION.
"people i cared for deeply are
bound there, i hold out hopes
they survive"
I empathize with your situation. I know exactly how you feel.
Perhaps Kris, for those of us who may not know all the players here on GLP, you could tell us a brief summation of your experiences with the cult, and the people you care for who are left behind?
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| Abraxas Incarnate
User ID: 33373
10/26/2005 7:30 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Good morning John, I was so glad to see that you wrote this:
"Well now we are all friends I will desist"
GREAT. We just got off on the wrong foot and this needed to be nipped in the bud.
Earlier, you asked:
"So what do the Major and Reverend Dead say"
My astral plane contacts have not been with "Reverend Dead", as in some guy wearing a preacher´s outfit. That was "RevERED Dead", ie a group of figures, including Cleopatra, Joseph Smith, Carl Jung, the American Founding Fathers, Mary Magdalene, etc etc.
Now I agree with you here, John:
"If we look at cults as a natural thing -: Amen, Christian esp monastic parts, Mormon, Communist, New Age - they all have something in common."
Yes they do, and we are correctly highlighting these similarities in this thread.
I cant agree with you totally here, however:
"Laura is part of the New Age cult. So is Icke. Put together you can see how similar they are. Icke very nice until it comes to money. Laura too apparently."
I think Icke is a False Prophet, but he does not have a cult per se and is not interested in that typoe of cosmic engine. His game is different, that of the cosmic whistleblower, lecture circuit guru, etc. And yes, it is largely about "cashing in", but Laura is really concerned with the spiritual control of being a cult leader, and not (primarily, as with Icke)with making money.
And John, I loved this quote from you:
"Our spirit life is my preference over aliens."
Can´t explain why exartly, it just charms me ;)
"So what is this five dimensional interface with the Goddess? Please explain as we are all longing to know."
Are we all really longing to know this, in the context of a thread about Laura and cosmic cults? I will not be cagey with you, but just let me say that to fully answer your question would constitute a complete sidetracking of this thread. If you wish to discuss this in detail, I recommend joining my yahoo group and we can talk about it there. I don´t want to draw focus away from the main themes here.
[link to groups.yahoo.com]
But I will illuminate one thing about it, which is relevant to this thread: When I say five dimensional, I mean it, in real hyperspatial terms, not some airy-fairy L´ark-ian pseudo terms. This is why I despise their use of the term "density"- it is irresponsibly thrown around as if it had anything at all, at all, to do with dimensions, which is does NOT. Laura´s use of "density" is a plot level element, having nothing to do with anything real beyond her psyche.
"This is the pollen coming home is it not. And here is the book that needs to be written in my mind."
I agree, which is why I am writing that book even as we speak.
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| Abraxas Incarnate
User ID: 33373
10/26/2005 7:40 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Hey Anders, you wrote;
"Abraxas - many thanks for your input -"
Many welcomes right back at you. I just hope my viewpoint isn´t too distressing for some of you guys...
"I am shutting up and listening and learning with your other interactions."
I appreiciate the compliment, but "shutting up"? On the contrary, I´d really like to know what specific thoughts you have as a result of all the new perspectives I have injected into this thread.
"i see that they have learned nothing at all from the ´good´ Cs, the early ones, the first contacts with Fred as the tuning fork..."
What do you mean, the "good Cs"? In your opinion then, genuine contact was initially made with benevolent Space Brother-type intelligences? If so, what happened to them in your view?
And finally, Kris wrote this after my last posts:
"friends, you drank some darkness."
Sorry if I served up a distasteful brew, but honesty is more important than comfort.
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| Abraxas Incarnate
User ID: 33373
10/26/2005 8:03 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
About those still dug in deep at the chateau/C-cult compound, again I really have to question seriously whether or not they have a viable escape.
Consider this story from Jacques Vallee´s book DIMENSIONS, describing a typical UFO contact cult of the mid-80s, one that began with a housewife who suddenly started receiving messages from "the Guardians". Wihtin a year, there was a nice little sect gathered around her drinking from the cosmic well. Soon, of course, phase two kicked in, snd she began to get dire predictions about impending global disasters, floods etc etc. The doom didn´t come true, but ironically, this only STRENGTHENED the cult followers´ belief in thier guru! Why? Because the reason the flood didn´t happen, obviously, is that the good work of the cult changed the future and saved us all!
Vallee ends his recounting with this bit about the cult´s final days:
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The believers who had trusted all the signs and the sincerity of their medium or channel would be left completely isolated- having lost or resigned their jobs, in some cases having sold all their earthly possessions, committed to a reality that only they could perceive; they would be forever unable to tell the whole story. The most highly educated man in the group, a local professor, would eventually comment:
“I’ve gone a long way. I’ve given up just about everything. I’ve cut every tie. I’ve burned every bridge. I’ve turned my back on the world. I can’t afford to doubt. I have to believe. And there isn’t any other truth…You’re having your period of doubt now, but hang on, boy, hang on. This is a tough time but we know that the boys upstairs are taking care of us…”
This is a frightening view, one that in the future may take new forms and engulf more people. There is a pattern behind this structure, and that pattern is not CONTACT but CONTROL.
*
Again, I urge you all to read Vallee as soon as possible for the full story.
So then, we see that the reinforcement which occurs as the cult passes from phase two to phase three involves a moving of the cult member´s mind totally away from logic, replacing rational thought with a desperate need to believe at all costs. Combine this with a charismatic leader who feeds on followers, and you have a recipe for Chateau Jonestown.
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| Anders
User ID: 36371
10/26/2005 9:20 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Hey Anders, you wrote;
Hey!
"Abraxas - many thanks for your input -"
Many welcomes right back at you. I just hope my viewpoint isn´t too distressing for some of you guys...
Not really, is fairly easy to watch a slow train wreck, the thing is still on the rails but maybe a wobbly bridge is being approached...? When the wheels come off and... and... then it will be distressing... but nothing is set in stone - we will see...
"I am shutting up and listening and learning with your other interactions."
I appreiciate the compliment, but "shutting up"? On the contrary, I´d really like to know what specific thoughts you have as a result of all the new perspectives I have injected into this thread.
Letting the interactions go on, I am very new to the metaphysics of ouija borads etc- I only ever did one session and I later found out that my friends were cheating, pushing the planchette in order to scare a particular person... all I really know is what I picked up from the C site and a bunch of books and various guests on talk shows...
"i see that they have learned nothing at all from the ´good´ Cs, the early ones, the first contacts with Fred as the tuning fork..."
What do you mean, the "good Cs"? In your opinion then, genuine contact was initially made with benevolent Space Brother-type intelligences?
Yes I believe that happened initially - but that is just a hunch, I cannot prove a thing, other than to note the sea change once Freddie was shafted... and even worse when Ark turned up out of the blue...
If so, what happened to them in your view?
Well, they said that Laura and Freddie were not their only contacts, they said I believe that they were interacting with several other groups around the globe, maybe 9?? Can´t quite remember - it is quite clear that the tone and darkness of the transcripts changed big time... |
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