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| frederico Gonzalez
User ID: 11570
7/10/2005 10:38 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Ah now im back,very interesting indeed..........
Speaking the truth is not neccesarily a character assasination SOL. Your friend has criticised without any proof,with tales of lost riches. Hmmmm.
Now real proof of things is amongst us and the open appearence of a genuine Cass member has happened........ Was this not what Anders kept on asking for........ |
| Anders (BBM)
User ID: 17509
7/10/2005 10:40 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
It is an insidious game. In an above post we see that she calls Maynerd Most a ´grifter´. What is a grifter? It is a con man who ´drifts´ around. That is a perfect description of Laura Knight Jadczyk.
LOL.
Laura didn´t even know what a grifter was - I had to tell her, I said go see the movie The Grifters.
Yup, old Laura is a grifter all right, but also doing a hoover job - yes, that makes a lot of sense.
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| Anders (BBM)
User ID: 17509
7/10/2005 10:44 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Still, that doesn´t change the fact that when read with an open mind, their site is one of the most interesting and thought-awakening places on the net. I think I, over the years, have probably read something like 80% that is on it. I have no regrets whatsoever in having taken a good long look at their information.
That´s how Laura sucks you in Sol. There is no getting away from it, The Wave series is a damned good sci-fi read.
THEN you join the allegedly PRIVATE moderated C-list groups on yahoo - and you want more information, the latest transcripts, what do the Cs say about 911 and Madrid and Bali, and I daresay now Laura is feeding the dupes the latest crapola from her mind-meld what went down in London...
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| Anders (BBM)
User ID: 17509
7/10/2005 11:08 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
As for your question about prosecution. I am so glad you brought that up. Apparently the house that Laura Knight Jadczyk raffled in Florida has been confiscated by the State of Florida for back taxes that Laura never paid. If she made $150,000 on the raffle and never paid the taxes that is a crime. If she never gave the house away to the winner that also is a crime. It is certainly easy to see that if the house has been taken by the state because of Laura´s delinquincy that means that the house raffle was a scam. Lincoln Lawernce is looking into it and he says that because the crime was performed over the internet it is a Federal crime. The FBI is crrently seeking extradition of Laura from France. But that country is notoriously uncooperative in these matters. Witness how long murderer Ira Einhorn stayed in France because they refused to extradite him back to the US. Laura may have studied that case and learned that France was a good place to escape. It is safe to say that if she ever steps foot into the US again she will be immediately arrested. She knows this. Go to her site and see if she ever named the winner of the House Raffle. It is no where to be found.
This went on until 2003 when Laura Knight Jadczyk suddenly placed her house in Port Richey, Florida up for a house raffle called The Raffle of the Millennium. According to her website at the time they sold $150,000 worth of tickets and promised to have the house raffle drawing soon. But suddenly, without warning, Ark and Laura moved to France. No name was ever released concerning who had won the House in the raffle and many, many people who had purchased tickets became very upset. The State of Florida began the process of confiscating the house for back taxes and MASTER CARD began looking for where Laura and Ark had disappeared because they also had accrued over $100,000 in debts on their credit cards.
Whoa!!!
I hope Laura filed for bankruptcy with the mastercard folks for that stolen $100k - she could have done chapter 7 over the last year or two - but...
DAMN!!!
she can´t do that now, because the bankruptcy laws change in October and...
DAMN!!!
if she comes back on a flying visit to go before a bankruptcy judge she will be arrested for the house fraud!
oh what a tangled web we weave...
I have pre-ordered my Lincoln Lawrence book from Amazon, it should be a doozy!!!!!!!
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| Anders (BBM)
User ID: 17509
7/10/2005 11:17 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
And Anon, rumor is rumor. How easy is it to check the facts? If you have the smoking gun about this FBI gig, then fer humanities´ sake, present them here!
I don´t have access to a police or FBI database - if Laura has a warrant/s out for her arrest then that is probably a matter of public record somewhere, I´m sure a good PI could find out the score.
However, seems that we will find out soon enough via this book in the works.
I did write to the ex Pulitzer prize winning journalist (Tome French) in FL who did the original newspaper article on Laura. I told him that no winner for the raffle had ever been announced per the terms on the ticket, and all my friends that had bought high dollar raffle tickets had been scammed.
I suggested he go to France and interview Laura - let the hapless maligned woman put forth her case and defend herself - he never replied.
I though that was weird.
This story is a journalist´s dream - why would a journalist of his repute not want to do a follow-up piece???
Answers on a postcard please...
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| Anders (BBM)
User ID: 17509
7/10/2005 11:32 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
together with his wife, were accused by many of murdering their little girl JonBenet. Interesting that Bridges wrote a piece about this, an “apologia” for John Ramsay, pointing the finger at strange cults and ritual abuse.
JonBenet was murdered by a local man - a violent loner with a taste for kids. The Ramsay parents are innocent. No cults were involved, but VB is quite correct that Denver and surrounding towns are Illuminati Central.
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| Anders (BBM)
User ID: 17509
7/10/2005 11:38 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
OPie wrote:
***I was a member of the inside group at Cass for many years until I finally paid attention to the red flags and creepy feelings I’d been trying desperately to ignore, and quit.***
"It often happens that, having stopped before some barrier, usually the smallest and the most simple, people turn against the work, against the teacher, and against other members of the group, and accuse them of the very thing that is becoming revealed to them in themselves.
"Sometimes they repent later and blame themselves, then they again blame others, then they repent once more, and so on. But there is nothing that shows up a man better than his attitude towards the work and the teacher after he has left it. Sometimes such tests are arranged intentionally. A man is placed in such a position that he is obliged to leave and he is fully justified in having a grievance either against the teacher or against some other person. And then he is watched to see how he will behave. A decent man will behave decently even if he thinks that he has been treated unjustly or wrongly. But many people in such circumstances show a side of their nature which otherwise they would never show. And at times it is a necessary means for exposing a man´s nature. So long as you are good to a man he is good to you. But what will he be like if you scratch him a little?" Gurdjieff
Mojo - why quote something that does not fit the facts?
I know OPIE - he/she was given a tape cassete of a Cassiopaean ouija board session - he/she was doing Laura a favour by laboriously listening to the letters as they were called out on the tape - he/she wrote up a DETAILED and CAREFUL transcript.
Bear in mind that the old Cs were v v careful with their spellings, and would often make word plays on these spellings, so it is very important to get the transcript 100% accurate.
Imagine OPIE´s shock when, a month or more later, Laura published a completely DISTORTED and EMBELLISHED and CENSORED (i.e. stuff was cut) version of the session...
I doubt if, as a Laura minion, you will appreciate the seriousness of this.
No point in quoting Gurdjieff stuff in relation to genuine seeking students to REAL teachers, because in this case with Laura we are dealing with a psychopathic FAKE, NOT a real teacher.
Therefore the G quote above does not apply.
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 17542
7/10/2005 11:47 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Thankyou for the info in this thread.
Very interesting....and disappointing...
I had no idea. Yet sometimes I wondered.
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| Anders (BBM)
User ID: 17509
7/10/2005 11:50 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
it´s not always a cult if people give up things to join a specific group. It *is* a cult though if you don´t allow dissenting opinions and can only dismiss them as coming from crazy people.
Then you have just defined Laura´s group as a Cult Sol - because she sure as hell excommunicates anyone when she (and even before) whiffs the first sign of dissent.
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| The Roman
User ID: 631
7/10/2005 11:58 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Weird how most of these people doing channelling turn out to be "insert adeguate term here"
Nancy Lieder
OP Terra "staff"
Cassiopean "Knight"
Starting to think that they are unable to control these "demons" of wich they opened the doors, and they turn on them.
Oh yes because not all that lights is light. |
| Anders (BBM)
User ID: 17509
7/10/2005 12:03 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Now real proof of things is amongst us and the open appearence of a genuine Cass member has happened........ Was this not what Anders kept on asking for........
Frederico
Laura turned up and posted PRIVATE emails I sent to her, including my real name.
Is that STO?
Laura also did not refute any of the 9 or so questions that Chandra posed to her.
All Laura did was try her usual tactics of character assassination against anyone who questions her.
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| Anders (BBM)
User ID: 17509
7/10/2005 12:08 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Mind Control, Oswald & JFK: Were We Controlled?
by Lincoln Lawrence, Kenn Thomas
9 of 19 people found the following review helpful:
An Early Try at Peeling the Occult Onion, September 23, 2000
Reviewer: The Kernal (Martinsburg, West Virginia) - See all my reviews
The obvious answer to the book´s rhetorical question title is yes.
So buy it, read it, and your appetite for political ectoplasm will either burgeon to obsessive proportions or fatally wither quickly. If the former becomes the case...
Try and get your hands on Farewell America (still valuable), The Stargate Conspiracy (best new expose), Report from Iron Mountain (satire), and Blowback (first version).
Learn all that you can from Madame Blavatsky´s Baboon, Messengers of Deception, Space Aliens from the Pentagon, The Great UFO Hoax, and The Murder of John Lennon.
Then try any book from Jim Keith, Tex Maars, Paul Krassner, Alex Constantine, Constance Cumbey, John Keel, Wilson Bryan Key and Robert Anton Wilson, just for fun and spiritual guidance. Avoid Bill Cooper, Edgar Cayce, Phillip Corso, Dr. John Coleman, Peter Moon/Preston Nichols, Elizabeth Claire Prophet, Jim Marrs, Richard Hoagland, Dr. John Leir, Mark Lane, ALL UFO-related magazines(since WJB bought the only really serious one)except the lighthearted Excluded Middle and Fortean Times and ANYTHING by the LaRouchies, Birchers, Scientologists or Liberty Lobbyists (except the exasperating Final Judgment) however.
If I need to warn you about abductee books of the Streiber/Hopkins/Fowler/Jacobs variety, death books from the Kubler-Ross/Moody/Brinkley school, or all the Merovingian Kings/Holy Bloodline books, you´re probably a New Age victim/sucker and won´t follow the rest of my sage advice in this delightful review either.
(I´m still reserving judgment on Jon Rappoport, John DeCamp, and Ted Gunderson until I learn more about their REAL military records.)
Walter Bowart, God bless and save his tortured soul, probably had most of the answers in Operation Mind Control, a quarter-century ago, before all the Cathy O´Brien/Brice Taylor forced-disinfo was spread to muddy the waters, but WERE WE CONTROLLED? really started the ball rolling even earlier with its tawdry first, quickly out-of-print little edition.
It´s hugely gratifying to see it back in print again: mistakes, oversimplifications, distortions and all. It still is a very useful and comfy place for unbiased researchers of the "Dallas unknowable" to begin. "Lincoln Lawrence lives!" (Which is more than he [?] could ever say...)
Just why Childress decided to re-publish IT, and not the Bowart or Hepburn (pseud.) material, or all that great, nearly unpublished John Judge, Peter Dale Scott, Dave Emory, Mae Brussell, Sherman Skolnick and Carl Oglesby stuff, for the gigantic mass market his Stelle/Keininger-derivative pulp-press now succeeds in reaching, thanks to a very-friendly buyer (ha ha!) for the Borders chain, remains yet another unsolved (for now) mystery.
Maybe David´s a widow´s son too, and hopes to see the Golden Cap in place on NEXT New Year´s eve. (I know Kenn Thomas isn´t, but his current entrancment by the pseudo-demonic dot-s lady may be an even worse fate.)
Of course, "Lincoln Lawrence" can neither sue nor collect royalty checks...
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| frederico Gonzalez
User ID: 11570
7/10/2005 1:20 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Anders you are emoting everywhere....
you wrote
Frederico
Laura turned up and posted PRIVATE emails I sent to her, including my real name.
Is that STO?
I have to ask is what you have been writting without any evidence but pure emotion.and a sense of being done wrong to STO....?
Laura also did not refute any of the 9 or so questions that Chandra posed to her.
She didnt have to..no evidence was produced ,and these 9 questions where a diversion from producing facts.......
All Laura did was try her usual tactics of character assassination against anyone who questions her.
I think it is called the mirror Anders, i would say she bares you know ill intent,but when Vincent Bridges enters such open discussions,you know and i know that he feeds on this kind of stuff ...he may even be paid to do such things... Cointelpro and all that..ive never known anyone with so much venom and intent to do nothing but....
it is crap when your past sins are brought up i know this,though what else could she have done.....really........
Hey we are all sinners.......
And look inwardly and ask yourself what really makes you continue to be hurt?
the mirror?
I see you where in there with the Cass folks now..
How do you think she feels having her person being assasinated all the time.......
the world is in a very dark state of affairs, the SOTT signs of the times is doing nothing but showing the world that all that one is being told is not so...they back it up...with reasonable discussion.......
i didnt need them specifically to tell me this,though others may bennefit from what they do.....
maybe it is time to make peace Anders..... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 17585
7/10/2005 3:05 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Anders you are emoting everywhere....
you wrote
Frederico
Laura turned up and posted PRIVATE emails I sent to her, including my real name.
Is that STO?
I have to ask is what you have been writting without any evidence but pure emotion.and a sense of being done wrong to STO....?
Frederico, I told you and all here I erased all my private emails from Laura a few years ago - I did this because I did not want to be reminded what was in them. I can assure you, I feel sorry for those caught up in the CCC scam in France now - many of them WERE me friends, then when I was booted, excommunicated - would you believe it??? After several years of daily communication with them, NOT ONE PERSON - NOT ONE!!! wrote to me to ask my version of events...
Not one.
THAT is the hold Laura has over these dupes. They are by and large good people, good folks, seekers perhaps like you, perhaps like me.
But what on earth can have such a HOLD on these people, that once the emperor (Laura) gibes the signal then the flock obey???
Perhaps you could explain that to me.
Laura says on page 5 - ´Does anyone here see the incongruity of an individual joining such a group under what - he now reveals - were false pretenses? Just how reliable can such a person be in any context? Can anybody trust somebody who would play that kind of game, lie and pretend in the group, and then - when he is kicked out because his real self keeps coming to the surface - have the nerve to attack the group itself that believed his lies, believed in him, and gave him trust and fellowship?´
Precisely what trust and fellowship was exhibited by the 2-300 or so members after I was booted???
None.
This is not a one-off.
I belong to an ex-Cassiopaea survivors list - we formed it in order to try and make sense of what went on, who we were duped and robbed, both emotionally, psychically, monetarily - in order to figure out why we were put through the meat grinder and spat out.
I can assure you Frederico - there are numbering by now probably in the hundreds, folks that were booted by Laura and Ark as they began to wise up.
Almost all are on their own now. No support groups like I have.
after I was booted - and after all those whom Laura and Ark, like Nero, choose to condemn to ´death´ - none are EVER allowed the right to reply.
This is SOP Nazi tactics.
One minute you are there on the C-lsit, next minute you become one of the ´disappeared´ ones.
And the scary thing is, the C-list continues, with no questions asked.
Nobody asks on the list, hey, what happened to such and such a person.
Wgy?
Because deep down Laura rules the roost and all on the C-list instinctiveley know to be very careful what they say.
Don´t believe me???
Go and join the C-list, and observe.
You will see exactly what I mean.
Of course first you will have to jump through major hoops set by Ark in order to weed out anyone who is not a sheep-like follower, anyone who shows an ounce of a brain.
Laura also did not refute any of the 9 or so questions that Chandra posed to her.
She didnt have to..no evidence was produced ,and these 9 questions where a diversion from producing facts.......
Hmmmm, she can spend time posting my real name on the internet and private emails from 6 years ago, yet she cannot address the simplest of questions.
All Laura did was try her usual tactics of character assassination against anyone who questions her.
I think it is called the mirror Anders,
Here I have to laugh, because the MIRROR is one of Laura´s favourite talking points - especially the alleged mirror episode in her house where she allegedly exposed Vincent Bridges as the Devil incarnate...
i would say she bares you know ill intent,
Wrong - I have seen her in action - she is scary in her real state, she is psychopathic, she wants revenge, she wants total domination and subservience. Ark is her firewall. I have seen her go after many people, so has Chandra, Opie, plenty of others, VB, JW, a long long list of enemies she perceives to be...
but when Vincent Bridges enters such open discussions,
Chandra is not VB.
VB has not participated on this thread - if he did, you would know about it. I hope he does, because VB would have a lot to say.
you know and i know
now here Frederico I think u give yourself away - you say you are a C newbie, yet you now seem to know a hell of a lot about the various intrigues of the last few years...
that he feeds on this kind of stuff ...he may even be paid to do such things... Cointelpro and all that..ive never known anyone with so much venom and intent to do nothing but....
but I thought you did not know much about the Cs and Laura etc???
OOPS
it is crap when your past sins are brought up i know this,though what else could she have done.....really........
no it is not crap - what sins? in whose eyes??? sez who???
I saw through Laura at the very end and was booted
GREAT
I am glad. Some are still being milked now - maybe one day one of the Chateau brigade will tell us what is going on...
Hey we are all sinners.......
And look inwardly and ask yourself what really makes you continue to be hurt?
I am human. I do not take easily to being shafted like this. So I will endeavour to stop it happening to others - that is the best I can do.
the mirror?
Look at yourself in the mirror my misguided and disingenuous friend - whenever anyone starts harping on about the mirror crapola, as Chandra says, with repeated use of the word, it reflects on the accuser.
I see you where in there with the Cass folks now..
How do you think she feels having her person being assasinated all the time.......
She is invisible, as Chandra said. She can get away with anything - she has gofers and minions, perhaps like you, to do her bidding. She has set up a major web site and writes daily with a huge team of dupes - she publishes many books now, a cash cow - she plagiarizes everyone, and, LOL, can get away with it (for now) by claiming her writing comes from ´aliens´ in the future! LOL, maybe Laura´s Spanish solicitor thinks that will wash in court - I don´t.
And above all she ACTIVELY SEEKS throughout her web site - DONATIONS.
She is fair game - I and my group know the truth - and we will expose it.
the world is in a very dark state of affairs, the SOTT signs of the times is doing nothing but showing the world
actually it is simply regurgitating everything on Rense and a few other places with the Laura spin on it - hugely anti-israel for example...
that all that one is being told is not so...they back it up...with reasonable discussion.......
what discussion??? they NEVER (or hardly ever) print any reader feedback
and when they do, 2 days ago for example, they follow up with a 3 page cop put excuse and lecture...
there is NO discussion with Laura
go join her list and find out for yourself
i didnt need them specifically to tell me this,though others may bennefit from what they do.....
maybe it is time to make peace Anders.....
I have made my peace with myself.
In the meantime I will follow this inevitable Kool Aid debacle with forensic interest. |
| Anders (BBM)
User ID: 17585
7/10/2005 3:06 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
16281 = anders
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| QFG members
User ID: 5324
7/10/2005 3:32 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Note, several QFG members contributed to the writing of this, including Ark and Laura:
<<Hmmm... Cassie Group Member, I´m not sure if you just shot yourself in the foot there. Airing 4 year old private emails is hardly proving anything, especially when this has already turned into a "who has the most dirt on who" competition. While I appreciate your coming forth openly, I was hoping for a more clear, concise, rational dismissal of the accusations rather than another character assasination.>>
Now, let me understand this: Ark and Laura are libeled and defamed by lies and liars - of which Anders is one and that is, in fact, why he was removed from the QFG - and when it is simply pointed out that the one doing the flaming is an unstable character with a drug and alcohol problem, AND provide the evidence - which everyone is demanding around here - so as to end the matter and not waste any more time, it is considered “bad form.” Note that the email posted is part of the cass archive.
Yes, it is a four year old email, but the fact is that the time frame that Andy was in the group, the time he is basing his lies upon, WAS during that time.
The facts are that the accusations are simply lies. How do you defend against lies? It’s like askings: “When did you stop beating your wife?”
If Ark and Laura say nothing, they are damned for not answering accusations. If they say “we don’t want to engage in mud-slinging” then the mud slingers continue to tell lies and accuse them of not saying anything because they are hiding or are being “secretive.”
See the problem?.
<<As in "I´m not a cult member, for example I disagree with the way VB was handled, we are encouraged to think critically and independently at all times, and we too live and learn from our past mistakes". What you just did was reinforce the notion that you have an "us vs them" mentality, no better than Republicans thinking Democrats are pure evil, or whatever else. Hardly very enlightened, especially coming from a board where (as I understand it) you are aiming to find the "objective truth." >>
What kind of statement is that? Of what use is it? It’s little more than making a claim with no documentation at all.
Additionally, I don’t think that any of the group members disagreed with the way Vincent Bridges was handled. Andy himself volunteered for the project and was OVER enthusiastic. He repeatedly had to be asked to just stick to the facts.
Again, everything that has been produced on this board thus far has consisted of undocumented accusations. A number of cool heads, you included, have asked repeatedly for documentation. So, documentation is provided to back up a statement about one of the accusers. The fact seems to be that it´s okay for them to accuse Ark and Laura of every crime in the book, and say what they want, but Ark and Laura are not allowed to defend themselves.
What else do you want us to say?
I can add that, there are members who have left the group or who have been unsubbed who do NOT become attackers. They remain on friendly terms and just decide that their way of working is different. A small number, such as Anders, Vincent Bridges, and a couple others, behave exactly as Laura has described in her supplemental comments here:
[link to www.cassiopaea.org] (scroll down).
This behavior is so "similar" in every case that it is quite an amazing
phenomenon to observe. I would like to point out that nothing was ever done regarding Vincent Bridges except in self-defense. This was documented on the cass website with emails, dates, chronology, etc.
I would like to add also that yes, people get divorced who are members of the QFG. But overall, the divorce rate among group members is WAY below the national average which is, I believe, something like 50%. That is to say, 3 divorces out of about 200 members over a period of about 7 or 8 years.
Exactly ONE person sold his home to move to France. It was his intention to engage in vitamin supplement importing into the EU with the help of several contacts of Ark and Laura in the EU. He presently lives near them, in a small town. He IS of retirement age and is, basically, retired though he does have a rather large investment portfolio, management of which, apparently, takes up most of his time.
Ark and Laura certainly receive financial support from members of QFG, but they in turn support other members of QFG and their projects with these funds. A major portion of their income derives from book sales and research grants. Ark is, after all, an internationally known scientist who is still working. In short, they work, usually 14 to 16 hours a day in addition to managing their groups and websites.
So, you see, the truth is actually rather boring and prosaic.
<<Now I still don´t think you are all part of an evil cult, because my friend is not, but is it really so hard to refute things in an open and rational manner? >>
See above. He says, she says. Our experience has been that it is really a waste of time. When dealing with liars, the real winner is the one who can appeal to emotions, not the one with the facts. As Laura wrote in her article on psychopaths:
[link to www.cassiopaea.com]
Take, for example, the "legal argument." The legal argument seems to be at the foundation of our society. This amounts to little more than con-artistry: the one who is the slickest at using the structure for convincing a group of people of something, is the one who is believed.
Human beings have been accustomed to assume that other human beings are - at the very least - trying to "do right" and "be good" and fair and honest.
And so, very often, we do not take the time to use due diligence in order to determine if a person who has entered our life is, in fact, a "good person." And when a conflict ensues, we automatically fall into the cultural assumption that in any conflict, one side is partly right one way, and the other is partly right the other, and that we can form opinions about which side is mostly right or wrong.
Because of our exposure to the "legal argument" norms, when any dispute arises, we automatically think that the truth will lie somewhere between two extremes.
In this case, I would like to apply a little mathematical logic to the problem of the legal argument. Let us assume that in a dispute, one side is innocent, honest, and tells the truth. It is obvious that lying does an innocent person no good; what lie can he tell? If he is innocent, the only lie he can tell is to falsely confess "I did it."
But lying is nothing but good for the liar. He can declare that "I didn´t do it," and accuse another of doing it, all the while the innocent person he has accused is saying "I didn´t do it," and is actually telling the truth.
The truth - when twisted by good liars, can always make an innocent person look bad - especially if the innocent person is honest and admits his mistakes.
The basic assumption that the truth lies between the testimony of the two sides always shifts the advantage to the lying side and away from the side telling the truth.
Under most circumstances, this shift put together with the fact that the truth is going to also be twisted in such a way as to bring detriment to the innocent person, results in the advantage always resting in the hands of liars - psychopaths. Even the simple act of giving testimony under oath is useless. If a person is a liar, swearing an oath means nothing to that person. However, swearing an oath acts strongly on a serious, truthful witness. Again, the advantage is placed on the side of the liar.
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I really don´t think that protecting the lies of vicious liars is the "moral high ground." And Andy has demonstrated his viciousness for all with eyes to see. The facts seem to be that the idea of "moral high ground" is distorted and promoted to protect liars. Those with nothing to hide, don’t need secrets. Unfortunately, in this world, dominated by lies and liars, those who would LIKE to tell everything have had to learn to protect themselves from those who promote “the moral high ground”.
<<I just did my best to refute the "cult idea" in my post above; it´s not always a cult if people give up things to join a specific group. It *is* a cult though if you don´t allow dissenting opinions and can only dismiss them as coming from crazy people. Not a real sinister cult with cool aid and all, but more like the diet coke version of one. You know, like the diehard Republicans, the fundy Xtians, etc, etc.>>
Nobody is asked to give up anything to join QFG - except prejudices and lying.
Again, I point out that it is almost impossible to defend against accusations such as those flung by Anders et al. Now, he is so outraged that he is engaged in what amounts to ranting more and deeper and more vicious lies. Sure, we could take everything he says and say it is not true. But like everything else so far, what’s the point? They accuse, we say it’s not true, and it goes round and round. Then, people ask for evidence, we provide it and it is called “shooting ourselves in the foot?
A quick scan of what Anders has posted so far indicates that everything he has said could be refuted with documentation. But obviously, evidence is not is what is really being asked for here. What is being asked for here is engagement. We prefer to spend our energy on creative work.
Now, having said that, let me take your suggestion and do exactly what you have asked. Let’s see how effective it is:
Anders (and other’s) words inside << >>
<<The only person who would keep PRIVATE emails from SEVERAL years ago is Laura and Ark.>>
A lie. The email in question is part of the cass group archive. When anything happens within the group, all data is shared, no secrets are kept from the group. Also note that this argument is especially directed against the fact that said emails are DOCUMENTATION that can prove that Andy is a liar. Because of the nature of her work, because of painful experiences, Laura has learned the hard way to never discard a scrap of anything.
<<FWIW I kept all Laura´s private e-mails to me for a few years - I would never DREAM of posting a private email from anyone to me on a public board - and 2 or 3 years ago I erased them all, for obvious reasons - I can assure you all that anything anyone has ever sent Laura or Ark, anything that was ever sent to the C list group, everything is ALWAYS archived so that Laura and Ark can at any time in the future use emails to ATTACK any individual.>>
This is a twisting of the facts designed to trigger emotional reactions and sympathy. Yes, there is an archive, it is available for all new members to read. We never attack anyone, we only defend ourselves.
Also note that this argument is especially directed against the fact that said emails are DOCUMENTATION that can prove that Andy is a liar. Because of the nature of her work, because of painful experiences, Laura has learned the hard way to never discard a scrap of anything.
<<so I ask again is this STS or STO behaviour??? >>
How STO is it to hide behind your anonymous handle and post lies about Ark and Laura - things that you KNOW are lies? Also note that this argument is especially directed against the fact that said emails are DOCUMENTATION that can prove that Andy is a liar. Because of the nature of her work, because of painful experiences, Laura has learned the hard way to never discard a scrap of anything.
<< Sol: I mean, if I gathered a group of people together with similar interests, I wanted to pool the resources to buy a castle somewhere and pursue XYZ goals, like I don´t know - write the greatest book the world has ever seen. It wouldn´t necessarily be "cultish" if people got divorced because one side didn´t want to go...
<<AndersIt would be if Laura told you that if your partner was hindering you from selling up and giving all your money to the CCC aka the Cassiopaean Chateau Commune, that your partner was in fact therefore a soul-less ORGANIC PORTAL put there by the Matrix to stop your development.>>
A lie, and you know it Andy. Do you want emails posted to provide documentation?
<<Because that is what Laura said many times on the privately moderated Cassiopaea list on yahoo - she said that ppl in your lives hindering you from spending time or participating with the Cs were Organic Poortals - you would have to read Laura´s bullshit about Mouravieff and OPs on the C site to get the full falavour of this nazi-style eugenics Laura promotes. >>
A lie, and you know it Andy. Do you want emails posted to provide documentation?
<<Sol: You said you were booted for asking "the wrong questions", and I think it would be very helpful if you could say what they were.
<<Questions about the house raffle for one. Plenty more - towards the end, I saw many sins of STS behaviour by Laura, I saw how she operated in attacking Vincent Bridges - I could not stomach what I saw. I saw people being taken apart mercilessly on the C-list. I could not stomach that either.>>
A lie, and you know it Andy. Do you want emails posted to provide documentation?
<<Yes - I also wrote to VB twice and apologised most sincerely - at the time I was working under the express orders of Laura, I was her gofer at Matrisohka and I did a lot of investigative work on VB´s background.>>
A lie, and you know it Andy. Do you want emails posted to provide documentation? The emails that will prove that you volunteered most enthusiastically for the project, the emails that show how over zealous you were, the emails that show how again and again Laura tried to remind you to stick to the facts, to not go out and make a fool of yourself with your wild rants on public message boards? Rants that were, in fact, similar to the ones on this one. How about the emails where you wrote to Laura apologizing time and again for “forgetting yourself” when you did this? How about the emails where you apoogize for taking it upon yourself to start writing to all of Bridges’ associates to warn them about him? An act that was definitely NOT appropriate.
<<VB never replied to me but I know he got my letters - I know this because he re-wrote certain sections of his web site after I gave him new information about Laura.>>
And you are asking how STO it is for me to post an email that shows you are an unstable drug user, an alcoholic, a “repeat offender?” Now you admit to writing to Bridges AFTER you went for him like an attack hound against the wishes and advice of Laura, and you conveyed to him LIES? Is it more STO to tell lies than to reveal the truth in an email?
Besides, Vincent Bridges isn’t stupid. He can see that, even if you claim to be a friend, with friends like you, who needs enemies?
<<Information like, she no longer communicates with the Cs via a ouija board - information such as, she now says all communication is via a mind-meld, and automatic writing on a keyboard.>>
A lie, and you know it Andy. Do you want emails posted to provide documentation?
<<You see, with Laura, it IS us (sto, lmao!!!) against them (sts)...>>
A lie, and you know it Andy. Do you want emails posted to provide documentation?
<<With Laura it is us (souled individuals) against them (organic portals)...>>
A lie, and you know it Andy. Do you want emails posted to provide documentation?
<<And with Laura, should you question her in any way shape or from, she goes into attack mode (sts - see above) and will use any means necessarry in order to ´win´...>>
A lie, and you know it Andy. Do you want emails posted to provide documentation?
<<Does this sound sts or STO???>>
No, it sounds like the same kind of twisting and whining and emotional games you played on the cass group.
<<The reason I posted at all on this thread was from an STO motive - as I said to Sol earlier, if I can alert any folks perhaps now mixed up with the Laura and ark Cult as to what they may be getting themselves into - all well and good.>>
A lie, and you know it Andy.
<<This sort of thing is SOP for them - they once sent me explicit sexual emails concerning two ladies on the C-list group - both of whom had recently been booted and were posting at Matrisohka - my orders from Laura were to use the emails as I saw fit over at Matrisohka, in order obviously to shut the two women up and frighten them off. One of the women was a Professor at a University - Chandra will know who - and Laura or another minion of hers (not me) wrote to the University to try and get her fired, saying that the woman had no morals and etc etc>>
A lie, and you know it Andy. Do you want emails posted to provide documentation?
<<So - I never used the XXX emails - this was obviously a HUGE red flag to me, and I thought, my God, what sort of woman is Laura to be sending me such stuff out of the blue, and what sort of person does she think I am to consider using it???>>
A lie, and you know it Andy. Do you want emails posted to provide documentation?
<<On another occassion Laura told me that the Cs had told her that Vincent Bridges was a ´hot popper´ - I said, what does that mean? She replied that the Cs said he was being anally raped by Reptillians on a nightly basis, on the ethereal level...>>
A lie, and you know it Andy. Do you want emails posted to provide documentation?
<<That, coming on or around the time these sexual emails were sent to me - was when I thought, oops, I am dealing with a psycho...>>
A lie, and you know it Andy. Do you want emails posted to provide documentation?
<<Frederico, I told you and all here I erased all my private emails from Laura a few years ago - I did this because I did not want to be reminded what was in them. I can assure you, I feel sorry for those caught up in the CCC scam in France now - many of them WERE me friends, then when I was booted, excommunicated - would you believe it??? After several years of daily communication with them, NOT ONE PERSON - NOT ONE!!! wrote to me to ask my version of events...>>
Your “version” of the events were posted to the entire QFG group. After that debacle, we are not surprised that no one wanted to write to you. Do you want emails posted to provide documentation?
<<THAT is the hold Laura has over these dupes. They are by and large good people, good folks, seekers perhaps like you, perhaps like me. But what on earth can have such a HOLD on these people, that once the emperor (Laura) gibes the signal then the flock obey??? >>
Perhaps the truth is that the problem is with YOU Andy. It doesn’t have to be a “hold” that anyone has on anyone else for people to be offended by you. Do you want emails posted to provide documentation?
<<Precisely what trust and fellowship was exhibited by the 2-300 or so members after I was booted??? >>
Perhaps the truth is that the problem is with YOU Andy. After that debacle, we are not surprised that no one wanted to write to you. Do you want emails posted to provide documentation?
<<I belong to an ex-Cassiopaea survivors list - we formed it in order to try and make sense of what went on, who we were duped and robbed, both emotionally, psychically, monetarily - in order to figure out why we were put through the meat grinder and spat out.>>
Tell the truth Andy. When did you ever give a dime to QFG or Cass? And frankly, the entire QFG group felt duped, and emotionally, psychically robbed by you. Do you want emails posted to provide documentation?
<<I can assure you Frederico - there are numbering by now probably in the hundreds, folks that were booted by Laura and Ark as they began to wise up. >>
Please send us a list and we will compare names. I think that the group archives will show that only a handful of people have ever been “booted” from the list. A very SMALL handful at that.
<<after I was booted - and after all those whom Laura and Ark, like Nero, choose to condemn to ´death´ - none are EVER allowed the right to reply. This is SOP Nazi tactics. >>
Oh, now we bring out the Nazi word! Again, a lie. Whenever anyone is “booted” or leaves, their messages to us - unless they specifically request privacy - are sent to the list so that all list members will have all data and be able to decide what they want to do on their own.
<<One minute you are there on the C-lsit, next minute you become one of the ´disappeared´ ones. And the scary thing is, the C-list continues, with no questions asked. Nobody asks on the list, hey, what happened to such and such a person. >>
Lie. Every departing member, whether booted or voluntary departure, is discussed extensively so as to determine if there was not something more that the members could have done to help them.
<<Don´t believe me??? Go and join the C-list, and observe. You will see exactly what I mean. Of course first you will have to jump through major hoops set by Ark in order to weed out anyone who is not a sheep-like follower, anyone who shows an ounce of a brain. >>
Lies. It is because of people like you, Andy, that the admission committee exists. Think how much grief would have been saved on both sides if you had been required to go through said “hoops?” You would not have been in a group that values respect and decorum, and the group would not have had to agonize again and again and again over “what to do about Andy?”
<<Wrong - I have seen her in action - she is scary in her real state, she is psychopathic, she wants revenge, she wants total domination and subservience. Ark is her firewall. I have seen her go after many people, so has Chandra, Opie, plenty of others, VB, JW, a long long list of enemies she perceives to be... >>
Lies again Andy. And by the way, Jay Weidner has recently written to Ark and Laura suggesting a video interview. Of course, it could be a trick, but the fact is Laura treats everyone decently and kindly as long as they do not lie to her or manipulate her. YOU got away with a lot more on the list than anyone else ever did because she felt sorry for you and hoped you would be able to kick the drugs and booze. Either you didn’t, or you are just that way.
<<I saw through Laura at the very end and was booted >>
Lies again, Andy. Do you want emails posted to provide documentation?
<<I am human. I do not take easily to being shafted like this. So I will endeavour to stop it happening to others - that is the best I can do. >>
Neither you nor Vincent Bridges were “shafted.” The fact is, neither of you could accept that your behavior was unacceptable in the QFG. When you were “booted,” as you put it, you simply did not accept the fact that there were very good reasons for it. You had to make everyone else “wrong” so that you could feel better.
So, you see? I have answered all the charges. Is anyone satisfied? No, of course not.
Will it satisfy you for every member of the QFG to come over here and write a statement? Will that “prove” anything?
No, it will be pronounced as proof that everyone in QFG is mind controlled cult robots.
In the end, the only thing that can REALLY tell you anything about QFG is the FRUITS OF OUR WORK. Let us give an example. Note in advance that we are not comparing our work to “Jesus” whoever or whatever he was, we are mentioning this only because it is a good standard for anybody to us: By their fruits you shall know them.
12:22 Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw.
12:24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.
12:25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?
12:33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.
12:34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
12:35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
It really is that simple.
Now, let us add something a few words: based on rational assessments, the world really is “burning” and we are in deep doo doo. If it isn’t comets or global superstorms, climate change will surely drive our civilization back to the stone age. Anyone who has been paying attention to the “Signs of the Times” should have a clue by now.
QFG has chosen to undertake a specific work that is gruelling and often thankless. The SotT team works many hours a day for NO pay. Their living expenses are covered by book sales, research grants and donations. They drive used cars and shop for bargains to survive.
They live in a cold, drafty, leaky old castle that has plenty of room, but few comforts. It’s expensive to heat, so they are generally cold, and they have a constant stream of visitors and researchers, so none of them has a real “life” outside of work. They produce an excellent page everyday, and have done more to wake people up to what is happening on the Big Blue Marble than many other “alternative” sites. The Pentagon Strike video has been seen by over 300,000,000 (yes, that is million) viewers, with tens of thousands of viewers downloading it every day STILL. Signs of the Times is one of the few “alternative” sites to bait the Bush Reich out of their smug complacency and ignoring of the questions of 9-11: they sent the Washington Post after them.
Now, whether you like the C’s material or not, whether you agree with it or not, whether you think it is this or that, is immaterial to the issues that are pressing on humanity today. If you think Bush is the greatest thing since sliced bread and 19 arabs directed by Osama Under The Bed in his cave in Afghanistan executed 9-11, no doubt you will take issue with the work of QFG and you will be happy to join in the attacks on Ark and Laura. But if not, then perhaps it is time to lay off attacking one of the most effective works on the Internet.
In short, all the lies being told about Ark and Laura and QFG can be answered in one way: By their fruits you shall know them. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 15744
7/10/2005 3:34 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
get some  this is gettin a fixation. |
| Anders (BBM)
User ID: 17585
7/10/2005 4:20 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
In addition, Anders repeatedly was writing on the cass list (when he was a member) about "big money", "big business" and was generally a "big talker" with no substantive data to back it up, not unlike what he has demonstrated here on this board.
Is this a person whose perceptions of "truth" you would trust?
Does anyone here see the incongruity of an individual joining such a group under what - he now reveals - were false pretenses? Just how reliable can such a person be in any context? Can anybody trust somebody who would play that kind of game, lie and pretend in the group, and then - when he is kicked out because his real self keeps coming to the surface - have the nerve to attack the group itself that believed his lies, believed in him, and gave him trust and fellowship?
Anders (BBM) User ID: 33
7/9/2005
6:56 pm EDT
wrote:
"LOL! Well, you know the way I talk here at GLP - at Cass I toned down my style big time. No swearing, no F words, apple pie. Extrapolate the rest. Fact is I and many others SAW and EXPERIENCED the BS from Laura. I was part of the KULT for maybe 2-3 years ----> I think I know who Chandra is too. A woman who has been HURT just as much as me, amd my fiends, if not worse, I KNOW many folks that have SOLD THEIR HOUSES to go to France, have DIVORCED their spouses/partners, have DONATED monies and so on
do you get it yet Sol???"
I´m a member of the cass group, and I
would like to respond to Anders.
Here is something else that this individual has written:
From: "Andrew Rowland" <arowland@**********.com>
To: <lark2@ozline.net>
Subject: Andy here...
Date sent: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 14:36:12 -0600
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How does this person above (Laura) know that Anders is the person in the PRIVATE email this person above just illegally posted???
Because - as the C dupe solicitor said on this thread, posting PRIVATE emails is a serious offence.
Is Laura psychic??? LOL!
This person above (Laura) must know Anders intimately to be able to figure out that Anders is the person quoted in the PRIVATE email.
The only person who would keep PRIVATE emails from SEVERAL years ago is Laura and Ark.
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 17606
7/10/2005 4:31 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Now that we finally have Laura on the line instead of Shrink we can finally get answers to the questions.
Even your lawyer, despite his thinly veiled threats, wants you to answer the questions Laura.
The questions Laura. Why don´t you answer the questions.
In case you forgot:
1) What is the name of the person who won the House Raffle? Please list a contact address or phone number.
2) Why hasn´t that person laid claim to your house?
3) Why did you praise Weidner and Bridges work on Fulcanelli, then trash them by calling them psychopaths and then plagiarize their work?
4) Why did yourself in the future lie to yourself in the past and say that you were an alien from cassiopaea when you were really just yourself in the future?
5) How do you reconcile the fact that you channelled aliens from cassiopaea with Fred Ireland, but later discovered that he also was a psychopath.
6) If you are not really channelling aliens from Cassiopaea but are actually channelling yourself in the future, how come you yourself in the future didn´t warn you yourself in the past that your channelling partner, Fred Ireland, was a psychopath?
7) Why didn´t you yourself in the future warn you that Bridges was a psychopath?
8) Why did you change the transcripts of the cassiopaean sessions?
9) Do you really believe that your former husband is a robot? |
| Anders (BBM)
User ID: 17585
7/10/2005 4:32 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
<<AndersIt would be if Laura told you that if your partner was hindering you from selling up and giving all your money to the CCC aka the Cassiopaean Chateau Commune, that your partner was in fact therefore a soul-less ORGANIC PORTAL put there by the Matrix to stop your development.>>
A lie, and you know it Andy. Do you want emails posted to provide documentation?
<<Because that is what Laura said many times on the privately moderated Cassiopaea list on yahoo - she said that ppl in your lives hindering you from spending time or participating with the Cs were Organic Poortals - you would have to read Laura´s bullshit about Mouravieff and OPs on the C site to get the full falavour of this nazi-style eugenics Laura promotes. >>
A lie, and you know it Andy. Do you want emails posted to provide documentation?
<<Sol: You said you were booted for asking "the wrong questions", and I think it would be very helpful if you could say what they were.
<<Questions about the house raffle for one. Plenty more - towards the end, I saw many sins of STS behaviour by Laura, I saw how she operated in attacking Vincent Bridges - I could not stomach what I saw. I saw people being taken apart mercilessly on the C-list. I could not stomach that either.>>
A lie, and you know it Andy. Do you want emails posted to provide documentation?
<<Yes - I also wrote to VB twice and apologised most sincerely - at the time I was working under the express orders of Laura, I was her gofer at Matrisohka and I did a lot of investigative work on VB´s background.>>
A lie, and you know it Andy. Do you want emails posted to provide documentation?
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You will note in the above that ARK is at work here.
This is his FAVOURITE TACTIC.
He will repeat, like a robot, the same sentence ad infinitum - he has done it 17
yes, SEVENTEEN!!!
times above.
The sentence - in case you missed it - is:
´A lie, and you know it Andy. Do you want emails posted to provide documentation?´
You will note that the sentence is a THREAT.
Ark has, yes, threatened me 17 times!
Go ahead Ark - prove how STO you and your group are - because I am going to keep bumping this thread to the top of the GLP list so folks can see how you STO individuals operate.
This is absolutely WONDERFUL stuff - you couldn´t prove my and Opie and Chandra´s points better IF YOU TRIED!
Laura has already broken the law by posting PRIVATE emails I sent HER. What does the tame Spanish lawyer have to say about THAT and Ark´s 17 +++ threats to do it again - and threats to expose XXX-rated emails too???
YOU, Ark, are now THREATENING to do the same to me, Ark.
I hope you have good lawyers in France, Ark - because I am of a mind to take action, be of no doubt about that.
I do not succumb to STS petty tyrant bully-boy mail order bride Polski cowards who threaten me.
And by the way folks, I just got a hang up call to my private phone number here in the UK - what a coincidence! - the only person who had that ex-Directory number was Joe Quinn from the QFS - lo and behold I do a trace on the call and it routes back to France.
Well well well. WHAT a surprise!!!
Joe and QFS team dupes - my BET is that Laura has authorized a full scale dig the dirt expose on Anders - am I right???
LOL
You forget - I was an insider too, and I know EXACTLY how you operate.
Please do keep that tame Spanish lawyer handy, you may well be needing him sooner than you think.
Tread VERY carefully with me and my friends.
I hope all the good folks at GLP are learning a BIG lesson about how wonderful these STO (LOL) CCC Cassiopaean Chateau Cult folks are.
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| Anders (BBM)
User ID: 17585
7/10/2005 4:35 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
1) What is the name of the person who won the House Raffle? Please list a contact address or phone number.
2) Why hasn´t that person laid claim to your house?
3) Why did you praise Weidner and Bridges work on Fulcanelli, then trash them by calling them psychopaths and then plagiarize their work?
4) Why did yourself in the future lie to yourself in the past and say that you were an alien from cassiopaea when you were really just yourself in the future?
5) How do you reconcile the fact that you channelled aliens from cassiopaea with Fred Ireland, but later discovered that he also was a psychopath.
6) If you are not really channelling aliens from Cassiopaea but are actually channelling yourself in the future, how come you yourself in the future didn´t warn you yourself in the past that your channelling partner, Fred Ireland, was a psychopath?
7) Why didn´t you yourself in the future warn you that Bridges was a psychopath?
8) Why did you change the transcripts of the cassiopaean sessions?
9) Do you really believe that your former husband is a robot?
10) Why is Ark breaking the law by threatening someone over the internet (Anders) - threatening Anders with the illegal publication on the internet of PRIVATE emails???
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| chandra battershell
User ID: 12934
7/10/2005 4:40 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Just to clear things up. I wrote the above post and forgot to sign it.
The questions Laura. the questions. Why won´t you answer them?
1) What is the name of the person who won the House Raffle? Please list a contact address or phone number.
2) Why hasn´t that person laid claim to your house?
3) Why did you praise Weidner and Bridges work on Fulcanelli, then trash them by calling them psychopaths and then plagiarize their work?
4) Why did yourself in the future lie to yourself in the past and say that you were an alien from cassiopaea when you were really just yourself in the future?
5) How do you reconcile the fact that you channelled aliens from cassiopaea with Fred Ireland, but later discovered that he also was a psychopath.
6) If you are not really channelling aliens from Cassiopaea but are actually channelling yourself in the future, how come you yourself in the future didn´t warn you yourself in the past that your channelling partner, Fred Ireland, was a psychopath?
7) Why didn´t you yourself in the future warn you that Bridges was a psychopath?
8) Why did you change the transcripts of the cassiopaean sessions?
9) Do you really believe that your former husband is a robot? |
| Anders (BBM)
User ID: 17585
7/10/2005 4:43 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
The questions Laura. the questions. Why won´t you answer them?
Don´t hold your breath Chandra :O)))
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| Sol Invictus
User ID: 3888
7/10/2005 5:01 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
This is getting very complicated ;)
You´re right, QFS, your post doesn´t prove anything about the accusations. I´d venture the hypothesis though, that in a character dispute like this, the last thing you want to do is give credence to the accusations. If you´re going to ignore it and take the high road, fine. As you say, damned if you do, damned if you don´t.
However, you chose to participate in a third way entirely.
Giving you the full benefit of the doubt on who was or was not "undercover agents" here, the first "official" post one of you make here was to post a private email WITH full name on a widely read forum, indicating details that anyone who googles his name may come across is just wrong, and I don´t care what things he accused you of. As "public figures" you are entitled to privacy, but this whole discussion was about your "public work". To a greater or lesser extent, granted, and Chandra did make it "personal" which I thought was unjustified.
However, what you did seemed petty, because come on... this is a really immature forum. Do you think that we´d point fingers at people who used to get drunk and take a whatever that was he took? Please, we´d be poking our own eyes out left and right. It was a cheap shot, especially since it betrayed an implicit trust.
Now I keep an open mind, because like I said, I´ve got a friend who I talk to about certain things at Cassiopaea, and the information I get does NOT indicate you are psychopaths, nor does it indicate you are a cult. I was beginning to doubt there for a second, but your last post put me back to square one. What I´ve been trying to do here (ok, it massively backfired, but that was your own doing!) is repeat over and over again that your site is one of the most interesting I´ve come acrosss, and I don´t think you are the cult some people accuse you of being.
I have nothing more useful to add to this discussion, really.
This doesn´t mean I´m "turning on you" Anders, it just means that like I said, I trust you over Laura, and my friend over you. It´s based on the simple method of who I know best, and I hope you understand why that´s the only method I can use here. As long as the Cass members have now collectively decided to act like "innocent" people do, that is not try to do the very things they are accused of (being deceptive, subject to group think, and acting vindictively) then I´m back to square one.
I don´t know who in the group posted what; if Laura herself posted the information about you here, and I found out she did, then I´d be inclined towards your pov again. We don´t *know* who did that though, it´s all circumstantial again.
Like I said, this whole thing has gotten complicated. I have no personal vested interest in discovering any details about the personal character or past misdeeds of anyone, except maybe my own friends and family in real life.
And Chandra, those 9 questions don´t really *prove* anything either. If people wanted to, I´m sure they could ask me 9 questions that I´d prefer not to answer for one reason or another. I talked to my friend yesterday about the "house scam" though, and the story I heard was believable. It´s not for me to post it here though. |
| Anders (BBM)
User ID: 17585
7/10/2005 5:04 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
<<Information like, she no longer communicates with the Cs via a ouija board - information such as, she now says all communication is via a mind-meld, and automatic writing on a keyboard.>>
A lie, and you know it Andy. Do you want emails posted to provide documentation?
Oh is it Ark?
This is from the cassiopaea.org home page - it describes in Lauras own words how now Laura hears voices in her head - the C´s -
you be the judge:
´That is why we did not dismiss the "we are you in the future" as impossible and therefore ignorable. Instead we decided to continue the "communications" as a form of a controlled experiment in "superluminal thought transfer" –
(Anders - a mind-meld...automatic writing, she has no use for the planchette anymore, after all Fred has gone - a cop out because the Cs no longer communicate with her, why would they communicate with an STS individual?)
even if it was clear that the term should be considered as a tentative indication of only one out several possible interpretations.´
So here above Laura says she communicates with the Cs superluminally (faster than the speed of light...).
Yeah right.
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| Anders (BBM)
User ID: 17585
7/10/2005 5:09 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
I don´t know who in the group posted what; if Laura herself posted the information about you here, and I found out she did, then I´d be inclined towards your pov again. We don´t *know* who did that though, it´s all circumstantial again.
Ark just said the whole gang are in major damage limitation mode at the wolf´s lair Sol - CCC Central - so Laura is therefore responsible - they say so themselves above:- ´Note, several QFG members contributed to the writing of this, including Ark and Laura:´
Laura has not apologised.
Her Cult has not apologised.
Indeed Ark condones what was done, as does Laura condone setting Ark on the attack - because he has threatened to do the same thing again - at least 17 times but I gave up counting, call it 20 times...
I can guarantee you this is SOP for Ark and his merry men.
LOL.
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| Anders (BBM)
User ID: 17585
7/10/2005 5:15 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
It´s not for me to post it here though.
Why not ask your friend´s permission?
I know Chandra is a reputable professional - she would not post the information maliciously.
It is a fact Laura and Ark NEVER said who won the property.
I tell ya what - I have some buddies in Florida. Shouldn´t be too hard to find out who ´won´ the place in the sc, er, raffle...
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| Sol Invictus
User ID: 3888
7/10/2005 5:23 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Well about the house, again, I don´t know why they just don´t post the information, but I guess they maybe feel that if they answer one question there´ll just be 8 more... I really don´t know. I can understand why they don´t do it in this instance, anyways, as it might show that the approach taken here (attack them long and hard enough) will get their attention and force a response. I see why they don´t want to encourage that :P
Obviously I can tell you though that the story I got was that there WERE some complications with it, but that it was taken care of somehow. Anyways, I don´t know the full details, I was just told "oh, no, it wasn´t a scam, blah blah blah happened" in a matter of fact tone.
Take it as you will, no offense if you don´t believe me - or my friend, rather ;) |
| Anders (BBM)
User ID: 17585
7/10/2005 5:33 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Obviously I can tell you though that the story I got was that there WERE some complications with it, but that it was taken care of somehow. Anyways, I don´t know the full details, I was just told "oh, no, it wasn´t a scam, blah blah blah happened" in a matter of fact tone.
Hmmm, the ticket blurb set a date and exact gmt time when the draw would take place - it said a lawyer or notary would be present to ensure fair play - what is the name of this adjudicator???
Laura???
and I will write to the person.
He/she can then tell us everything was above board.
LOL.
There is an interesting letter from a former cass cult member on the net - her name is ´sophie´ and she gave full permission to put it on the net.
It makes intriguing reading, because it parallels exactly what I have experiened with Laura and Ark
Attached is an email I sent to the cassiopaea discussion group. It was of course not allowed to reach the group, and so I sent it privately to several of the group members. For that sin, I was banned from the group. I think that says it all. Use it as you see fit. Laura is one “petty tyrant” that no longer scares me at all.
Thanks,
Sophie
Dear cassiopaea group members,
First off, let me say that I am a long time reader of the cassiopaean material, and have always found it interesting and somewhat insightful. I always thought the raw material was of more interest than Laura’s rather overheated interpretations. The Wave was good, but didn’t seem to have a point, and seemed to have even less of one the more Laura re-arranged and re-wrote it. I read the Bridges expose, and the early stuff on psychopaths and it really helped me, personally, a great deal. I found the courage to deal with my personal psychopath, and in the aftermath of that, I stopped reading the website.
A few months later, after my life had stabilized, I began to read the Cassiopaean site again. The new direction was very unsettling and bizarre. I read about the Organic Portals, and just shook my head in wonder. The Death Threat article was so strange that I really began to think either I was insane, or the Cassiopaeans were. Why? Because my ex-mother-in-law, source of psychopathic ex’s behaviour, had pulled the very same thing. She’d send threatening letters to herself, and then stir up an incredible drama over it. Cops, detectives, the works. Finally, one of the PIs she hired caught her mailing one. She went into treatment, and as I thought about it I realized that Laura had many of the same symptoms.
That’s when I went back and re-read as much of the Cassiopaean archives as I could. I found many things I hadn’t noticed before. I forced myself to read Amazing Grace, and things began to add up. By the time I finished re-reading the new version of Adventures, I was certain I was “seeing” correctly. And it wasn’t something that I wanted to see.
For a long time after that, I didn’t look at Cassiopaea at all. Avoided the subject in fact. And then, one day last winter, I clicked on the site and saw the “Raffle of the Millennium.” That’s when I knew I was right.
I kept watching, and the Raffle was postponed, then the website went down, and then Laura and Ark moved to France. When the site began to go back up, I looked in vain for any information on the raffle. None, just a few comments in Laura’s French Connection. When the Bridges expose went back up, I knew it was just business as usual, and nothing had really changed.
And the latest public brawl started after Laura’s appearance on the Jeff Rense show. At first I thought it just two groups of psychopaths slugging it out for the territory. But then, finally, I went and read Bridges’ site. Then it became even more obvious. I watched the exchange on cassiopaea.net, where, even though Ark doesn’t want anyone to know this, the complete text of the letters and responses can be found. And I joined this group and read through the archives.
Frankly, I was shocked. Ark apparently is quite shameless. A “maybe” is 100% correct? What does he think we are? Cretins? The avoidance of any mention of where the “letter” came from, and who wrote it, in Laura’s article is so unlike her as to be shocking. Surely, a letter from VB/Dr. Evil would trumpeted as an example of psychopathic menace, not virtually ignored. Something was very wrong.
Here, in my opinion, is the reason:
The secret was out. Laura and Ark stole thousands of dollars from thousands of people in their scam to raffle off their house in Florida.
Then they split for France to escape the clutches of the Law.
It isn´t always so easy to encapsulate a series of complex and dramatic events and provide such a simple answer, but there it is.
Now we can understand why Laura and Ark is so afraid of Vincent Bridges and Jay Weidner. Now we understand the true nature of their unrelenting, virulent and vindictive attacks on Bridges and Weidner.
In this light, reading the Cassiopaean site unveils that the plan for the felony was hatched in the summer of 2001. Realizing that they were about to commit a major crime Laura Knight Jadczyk and Ark Jadczyk began a series of pre-emptive measures that would ensure the success of their future crime. First they began a purging of all of the people that they could not trust.They also began singling out certain individuals who just might be smart enough to figure out what they were doing before they actually did it. Remember, this is the summer of 2001.They needed to buy a year and a half of time before they would have everything in place to be able to pull off the crime. The last thing that Laura and Ark wanted was two journalists looking into their activities. So then they began a pre-emptive assault on Bridges and Weidner.
First they decided to paint Vincent Bridges as a criminal. That way, if he
ever decided to investigate them for their soon-to-be-committed crime, he would already be tainted by their charges.
The second problem they encountered was Jay Weidner. Laura decided to manipulate him into attacking Vincent in some private emails. She then released these private emails on her site even though she had promised not to do this. It is apparent now that she did this to attempt to destroy Jay Weidner´s reputation. Remember - no one can get close. That is the most important thing to do if the crime was to be successful. This had to hold until the crime had been committed and the subsequent escape to France was successful.
Once, safely ensconced in France, with a stash of cash readily available from the House Raffle Scam, they were either ordered, or decided on their own, to come out of the web closet again, this time as News Commentators. Also, conveniently, if the United States ever decides to come after Laura
Knight Jadczyk and Ark Jadczyk for their criminal activity, one just knows that the two of them will begin squawking about how they are ´being persecuted because of their criticism of the United States´. Everyone knows that they will claim to be “political refugees” from the evil United States, that the charges are untrue and part of a political conspiracy to destroy the Cassiopaeans.
All of this also explains why Laura Knight Jadczyk and Ark Jadczyk rejected the Peace plan presented by Weidner in May 0f 2002, as shown in their posting of his emails. Inexplicably they rejected his private offer to end the Flame Wars between them and Vincent Bridges. This refusal to even consider a peaceful resolution to the Flame War issue was apparently what put Jay Weidner firmly back into Vincent Bridges´ camp. He had no choice. Either Laura and Ark were crazy or something else was going on.
Of course now we know. In May of 2002 they still had ten months to go until the planned crime and eventual escape from the United States could be enacted.
By February of 2003 the plan had succeeded. The House Raffle Scam went as planned with no nosy journalists like Vincent Bridges and Jay Weidner snooping around. The escape to France was also successful and the rest is history.
So now we all understand the strange activities of Laura Knight and Ark over the last two years. It was simply part of a pre-meditated crime to steal thousands of dollars from thousands of people in a fake House Raffle Scam and escape to France with the money.
Pretty simple, isn´t it?
What I don’t understand is why no one else, either on this group or elsewhere, seems to catch on to this. I know I’m not crazy, and I’ve had experience with psychopaths. What they have pulled should be obvious to anyone not brainwashed by The Cassiopaeans to accept them “unconditionally” and who agree that Maybe is always 100% correct, and that the Cassiopaeans are never wrong, that Laura is never wrong, and that they deserve to be vacationing on the Rivera on stolen money.
Doesn’t anyone else see this as flat out wrong?
I’ve had my say, and I feel better.
Thanks,
Sophie
me too Sophie, me too...
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| Anders (BBM)
User ID: 17585
7/10/2005 5:53 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
<<On another occassion Laura told me that the Cs had told her that Vincent Bridges was a ´hot popper´ - I said, what does that mean? She replied that the Cs said he was being anally raped by Reptillians on a nightly basis, on the ethereal level...>>
A lie, and you know it Andy. Do you want emails posted to provide documentation?
Oh is it Ark???
This from the following Cass link:
[link to www.cassiopaea.org]
snip
Well, is Vincent doing any of his "workings" to try to harm us? I mean, is he out there with his robes on, and drawing his pentagrams, and chanting, and calling to the Ophanic intelligences to slam lightning and thunder down upon our heads?
A: Close.
Q: Is he getting frustrated that it isn´t working?
A: Yes.
08-20-01
Q: How many times has Vincent been abducted? [Laughter.]
(Anders - incidentally I find it tremendously STO that Laura should be laughing at Vincent´s alleged repeat abductions, but hey, what do I know?)
A: 136. [...]
Q: (T) How recently has he been abducted? Yesterday? Last week?
A: Hot popper.
Q: (L) What is a "hot popper?"
A: Recently.
Q: In other words, he´s still hot. He´s been there so recently he´s still popping.
end snip
Laura was so obsessed with Vincent´s alleged ´hot popping´ she gleefully described it as anal reptillian rape to me.
I think the above transcript excerpt proves my point with Laura´s obsession on this topic.
Her totally STS laughter at VB being raped shows her pathology.
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