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| Henry See
User ID: 7836
7/11/2005 4:39 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Before I address the fine folks who have responded to this thread, I’d like to give all the readers a little background on Team Cassiopaean Cult Commune.
The REAL name of Team Cassiopaean Cult Commune is the Department of Redundancy Department.
The hierarchy goes like this:
Bosses are allowed to buttfuck their subordinates, and blowjobs and spankings are required during their daily performance reviews, their FAVORITE time of the day!
The HMFWIC (Head MutherFucker What’s In Charge) is Scott Ogrin, as I recently discovered, when he came to rescue Dr Ark from Big, Bad Rock Reynolds.
Bitch, is Dr Ark.
Aide d’Bitch, is Scott O.
And Assistant Aide-d’Bitch is Joe Quinn.
It really sucks to be bottom of the Team Cassiopaean Cult Commune whale shit squad like Henry See! When they have their “trains”, See gets to buttfuck Dr Ark, while Dr Ark buttfucks Quinn, who buttfucks the newbie with all the dollars. Poor Scott, riding as “caboose”, has to wax that little bitty rocket himself! I guess you gotta start somewhere.
Hi Her Majesty!! Thanx for the comment! Yes, I’m ho |
| Henry See
User ID: 7836
7/11/2005 5:23 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
ping to get an invite, pay attention, please!
Hi Ark, Fat Laura, And CCC QFS Dupes!! What a pleasure it is having you visit my thread!
Laura, don’t get me wrong about Dr Ark. I LIKE him!
Me and Dr Ark are special buds. Even though he wrote early about Anders´ thread that: “A lie, and you know it Andy. Do you want emails posted to provide documentation?´
After I pointed how he looked like such a fucking moron for hangin’ around, he immediately retracted his statement with:
“A lie, and you know it Andy. Do you want emails posted to provide documentation?´
And then, after he stated how much “fun” he was having being called a “sperm-gurgling root gobbler”, he hightailed it off the thread, never to be seen again.
But, Laura and QFS Dupes, I want to assure you that me and him are special buds. In no way do I mean to offend Dr Ark, even though he is one of the lowest pieces of whale shit newbie on this forum. Don’t you agree???
The reason that Dr Ark has been able to fool everyone else into thinking that he has balls, is that he has figured out a way to NEVER put himself in harm’s way. Notice that Dr Ark NEVER defends a position. EVER. Every single thread, he attacks, but NEVER defends.
All he ever intones is, in a weird psycopathic spurt spurt spurt is, : ´A lie, and you know it Andy. Do you want emails posted to provide documentation?´
By NEVER defending a position, Dr Ark has kept himself immune from barbs, until he met Anders.
Notice how Dr Ark will make every effort to make his target as small as possible. With Anders, he immediately tipped his hand by abandoning his ridiculous lies, trying to leave as little as possible to be criticized. But as soon as he decided to CHANGE his game plan for Anders, he lost.
With Anders, Dr Ark done had it “asplained” to him, that shooting fish in a barrel is a lot less fun when the fish shoot back |
| The Tooth Fairy
User ID: 7836
7/11/2005 6:02 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
A lie, and you know it Andy. Do you want emails posted to provide documentation?
Knowledge Protects, motherfucker!
1-800-EAT-SHIT |
| Sol Invictus
User ID: 3888
7/11/2005 7:07 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Haha, damn, I know I shouldn´t post here again... but it´s like a car crash, it´s hard to look away (the wounded passengers are the Cassiopaeans, btw). They got butchered here, rammed by a Humvee called Anders after they made the mistake of flicking him off.
The reason I post is because from a purely practical perspective, I have an interest in debates. I find argumentation skills, along with an understanding of human nature, to be really useful in all situations, so I study both. Your impression of Dr.Ark was quite good 4312 (no offense Ark, I don´t know you, except your habit of repeating yourself which I noticed during the VB/JW debacle).
I guess in some small way, my invitation to the cass group to come join us here started this, so maybe it´s not entirely unfitting that I try to "make peace". Maybe it´s just the naive side of me that thinks people like us who engage in thoughts beyond the norm are basically reasonable, and if I can help out both you (QFG) and my friend Anders, all the better.
I won´t address the issues, since I have nothing more to say about them. I will though, attempt to address the reasons for this massacre. It´ll probably be remembered as the "Cassiopaea campaign" in the annals of GLP, but one board´s hero is another board´s butcher :)
I think I´ve found out why I felt schizophrenic during certain parts of this debate. I trust Anders, and I trust that what he says is true (at least the parts he has direct knowledge about, not second hand information). I also trust my friend who says that you (QFS) are good people.
The only way these two notions can be reconciled now is if I consider your "public face" as different from your "private face." I think the problem stems from your approach to debates, frankly.
I may or may not have read somewhere on your site during the VB thing that the reason you do what you do is because, and I paraphrase, "the light of truth and reason" is supposed to send STS people scurrying away like cockroaches from this light, scared that you are exposing their lies. This may (I think it has) led to an obsession with "exposing people" who attack you.
Now when people are "nice" to you, you are "nice" to them. However, when there´s a conflict, you treat them like cockroaches. The problem with this approach is that, like the War on Terror, your "War on Character Assassins" frequently lead to collateral damage. For every militant the US army kills in Iraq, two more spring up as a result of the civilians caught in the crossfire. Not to mention, the bad PR might encourage one or two more to hate Americans. Do you agree? It´s the same when you resort to character assassinations, whatever the justification. The *effect* is the same, even if the analogy isn´t perfect.
We´ve got ex-Zeta Talk members here too. I tell you, Nancy doesn´t get anywhere NEAR the same amount of hatred that you guys got here from Anders, OPie, Chandra (or VB), et al. She only gets a mild form of amused mockery.
Now, as I was saying, I happen to believe that you are nice people in real life, and I´m sure Anders felt the same way too. Hell, even Vincent Bridges did, I´m sure. What happened though, was that when you feel "threatened" in some way, you put on your "public face." Your public face is uncompromising, and often, I find it to be excessively vindictive. I understand the *theory* behind this may be that "brutal truth" is the best way to counter "lies", but you know, I disagree.
Some might say that one definition of insanity is trying the same flawed approach, over and over again, and expecting a different result. I´m looking at you, here, Ark, but this goes for all of you ;) For example, I don´t know what the effect of repeating things endlessly is on psychopaths or OPs, but I can tell you the effect it´s having on me... it´s not very convincing, and I imagine that if I were on the receiving end of such treatment, I might be even more pissed off than I already was.
Now Ark and Laura, I´m actually trying to help you here by giving you my version of the truth. Ark you are an Academic (physicist, no less), and Laura you are a housewife from Florida who could not possibly be prepared to be a public internet figure.
Is it just possible (and I´m not being condescending here) that much of what has gone on with Cassiopaea is a result of your ... well to be honest, lack of streetwise smarts that would keep you out of the fights that you didn´t have to fight? People aren´t equations to be proven or disproven Ark, and Laura, not everyone who attacks your work has a personal agenda to discredit you.
There´s a quote that I find to be true. "Strong endures, hard shatters." Your private faces may be "strong", ie, they can bend once in a while, but do not get uprooted. But your PUBLIC face is HARD. Ask VB, Anders, OPie, et al. It´s gonna shatter if you try to maintain it, and there´s no point in maintaining it, because it´s not *effective*. It´s actually quite counterproductive.
What´s done is done, you can´t get everyone to like you, especially not writing about what you do. But in this specific instance, your naive reasoning that the email you posted would make us all turn on Anders (who is a well-known poster here) was not just wrong, it lost you this argument and maybe convinced half a dozen more people you are "evil."
I imagine this scenario has played out elsewhere, judging by QFS members´ reluctance to come forth openly and resorting to aliases.I think you drew the wrong conclusion though; it´s not that people don´t "understand", it´s that your approach will usually only lead to being misunderstood. You don´t have to sit and listen to abuse, but I can guarantee you that if you feel justified in acting abusive (even if it is in a cold and rational manner) you will only receive more of the same.
Now I know Anders is a good guy. See how we exchanged insults and then now we´re buddies again? It didn´t cost me or him anything to back down, it was just a difference of opinion, and we said "cheers" at the end. Maybe... just maybe... if you´d taken the REAL high road and said something to the effect that you were sorry he felt that way, at least made a point of refuting the not-going-to-go-away questions about the house raffle, and wished him well and taking off saying you don´t engage in mudslinging, this would have turned out very differently for you.
I imagine your entire few years would have been different had you used that approach on any number of people. Lies are not always best countered by "truths", even if you do manage to dig up "dirt" on people. Lies (which must be hearsay if they´re not true!) are best countered by acting in an opposite manner to that which you are being accused of. Actions speak louder than words, and all that.
Now I´m not asking you to prove you can "bend" by coming back here and apologizing to Anders for the email - if nothing else. That probably won´t happen, though I wish it would. I´d just ask you to think about whether the "public face" you project to the world in times like these is really doing more harm than good.
Anyways, take it as you will. Like I said, I invited you over here. I guess I had some expectation that the QFS members, trained to think critically and all, would act in a kind of "Jedi" manner (yeah, I´m naive), but instead what I saw was just (if possible) a lowering of the discussion to a whole new depth. OK, the selfish aspect was that I wanted to see if you would "sink or swim", just so I could make up my own mind about you... and you sank, but hey, that was your own doing.
Btw, I´m not a Cassiopaea apologist. I do believe that "by their fruits ye shall know them" as they said themselves. I´m just telling them the "fruit" they produce when they pull stuff like this (character assassinations) are rotten to the core. I really, really, wish they´d stop doing that :P Especially because I still find the site VERY interesting, even if I was never a believer. I´d probably still (if I met a person who I thought could handle it) recommend it.
Don´t you see that half the accusations you face here are about people you´ve clashed with in the past? In that sense, you´re your own worst enemies. The "lies" (plagiarism, house raffle, cult like behavior, etc) are hearsay if they´re not true! What pushed *me* half way into Anders´s camp as a relatively unbiased observer was that I believed him when he said you, for example, gave him those XXX emails. How could I not believe him, after what you just did here?
I´m sure you have legitimate enemies, I´m not saying you should kiss and make up with everyone. I´m just saying character assassination is the dumbest possible approach to dealing with them, since it just adds fuel to the fire.
Now if Anders is right then you are psychopaths who can´t take dissenting opinions, and attack is all you know. Well, I´m not here to judge. But if you´re are not, then I wish you´d at least think about what I wrote here.
Consider it my last payment in return for all the things you made me think about :P |
| Anders (BBM)
User ID: 7836
7/11/2005 7:43 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Hello Sol!
I will get back to you momentarily, but first, I must report that some rogue here at GLP, I think he calls himself Rockford or Rockwith, or something ´funky´ like that, maybe Rocky, RocKerable or RocKa-Billy!, anyways he gave me lots of good advice as to how to deal with
petty tyrants
and
bullies
so old RocKforth was a good chap to tell me all that and it only cost me a brace of pheasants and my 16 yr old sister´s virginity...
Now!
Where were we???
Ah yes -
I have some rather BAD NEWS from the USA.
It involves the SCAM that Laura and ARK and the QFS CCC Dupes have perpetrated and covered up all these years...
I had a most excellenet PI of the female persuasion, DC-based, doncha know, who scouted out the following:
I suggest Sol and all interested parties, Chandra et al:
Take a dekko...
at this...
turn up the magnification, LMAO!!!!!!!
[link to appraiser.pascogov.com]
 |
| Anders (BBM)
User ID: 7836
7/11/2005 8:17 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
THEN!! Dear Sol, we have this
bear in mind the last one was the 1996 debacle, ref Laura and her Robot organic souless portal hubby, Lewis...
here goes: I have a copy of a legal document in front of me, prepared by sharon pittman and david carter, attorneys at law, 7419 US highway 19, new port richey FL 34652-1240
it is the sale document, the plot no-09-26-16-0030-11700-0070
it describes the sale by Laura and Ark of the house that was supposed to have been give away in a raffle 5 days after the raffle draw date of 16th january 2003
the document lists Laura´s address in France, and Laura and Ark signed the sale deed via a French Notary - with a French Notary´s official stamp
an August 22nd 2003 sale of an
alleged $200,000 property (LMAO), as per Laura´s sc, er, raffle blurb to generate a heady and greedy $300k
(Anders - and to my interpretation of the relevant NON-PROFIT AND CHARITY laws, totally illegal...)
which went for a measly, MEASLY $95,500!!!!!
LMAO! If it wasn´t such a rip-off!
BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY - IT WAS ***SOLD*** BY LAURA AND ARK TO THE SWANSON FAMILY!!!
YES, YOU HEARD IT - SOLD FOR $95,100
WHEN ACCORDING TO LAURA AND ARK THEY HAVE SAID FOR YEARS THAT THEY ***GAVE*** THE PROPERTY AWAY IN A HOUSE SC, ER, RAFFLE!!!
SO WHERE IS THE WINNER LAURA AND ARK???
IS IT THE SWANSONS???
DO ´WINNERS´ OF RAFFLES NORMALLY PAY $95,100 FOR THEIR PRIZE???
WHY ARE YOU ***SELLING*** THE DILAPIDATED DUMP, AND POCKETING $95,100, PLUS ALL THE RAFFLE MONIES SO CONNED OUT OF GOOD PEOPLE???
IF VB IS RIGHT, AND THE RAFFLE RAISED $100-150,000, THEN ADD ON THIS $95,100
AND THAT MEANS LAURA AND ARK MAY HAVE GOT AWAY WITH $250,000, YES, A QUARTER OF A MILLION BUCKEROOS!!!
YES FOLkS!!!!
THE $200,000 HOUSE LAURA AND POLSKI MAIL ORDER BRIDE ARK, SCAMMED ON ALL THEIR FRIENDS AND FOLLOWERS, WENT FOR A
MEASLY
$95,100 !!!! <<<---------------------<<<<<---------------<<<<
OH MY DEARIE DEARIE ME!!!!!!!!!!
I HOPE THE QFS DUPES ARE READING THIS AND CAN BAIL ASAP FROM FRANCE!
BUT MY BET IS UBER-STO ENFORCER ARK HAS THEM ALL TUCKED UP IN BED BY NOW, AND USES NETNANNY TO HERD HIS SHEEP NO DOUBT!!!!!!!
HEY!!!
THE SUMMER IS NOT OVER YET, YOU CAN ALL HIT MYKONOS AND EXCHANGE LAURA AND ARK WAR STORIES!!! BISMARCK, TITANIC AND MARIE CELESTE STORIES!!! BELGRANO STORIES!!!
Welcome : Records Search : Parcel Detail
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Parcel ID
04-26-16-0030-11700-0070 (Card: 1 of 1)
Classification
01 - Single Family
Mailing Address
SWANSON JAMES F & BARBARA JANE
6322 MONTANA AVE
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Physical Address
6322 MONTANA AVE
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0100
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X
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Forced Air - Ducted
AC
Central
Baths
3.00
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2
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FUS
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1,440
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3
UDU-M
1999
1
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4
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1999
250
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MARTIN LAURA KNIGHT
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| Anders (BBM)
User ID: 7836
7/11/2005 9:25 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Quit Claim Deed here
[link to appraiser.pascogov.com]
I have a copy of a legal document in front of me, prepared by sharon pittman and david carter, attorneys at law, 7419 US highway 19, new port richey FL 34652-1240
YOU CAN SEE IT FOR YOURSELF HERE
[link to appraiser.pascogov.com]
AND HERE
[link to appraiser.pascogov.com]
it is the sale document, the plot no-09-26-16-0030-11700-0070
it describes the sale by Laura and Ark of the house that was supposed to have been give away in a raffle 5 days after the raffle draw date of 16th january 2003
the document lists Laura´s address in France, and Laura and Ark signed the sale deed via a French Notary - with a French Notary´s official stamp
an August 22nd 2003 sale (7 months, 28 weeks LATE - 28 weeks AFTER the house title deed should have been signed over for ZERO DOLLARS!) of an
alleged $200,000 property (LMAO), as per Laura´s sc, er, raffle blurb
see here [link to web.archive.org]
to generate a heady and greedy $300k
(Anders - and to my interpretation of the relevant NON-PROFIT AND CHARITY laws, totally illegal...)
which went for a measly, MEASLY $95,100!!!!!
LMAO! If it wasn´t such a rip-off!
that is $105,000 LESS than Laura said to all the raffle ticket buyers!
´One lucky ticket holder will win the approximately 3,000 sq. ft, 6-bedroom, 2-bath, 2 living room, double lot (100X 150 feet) home located in the quiet, picturesque, small town of New Port Richey, Florida. The home´s market value is $200,000. You may obtain more than one ticket, however, a limit of 6,000 are available.´
BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY - IT WAS ***SOLD*** BY LAURA AND ARK TO THE SWANSON FAMILY!!!
YES, YOU HEARD IT - SOLD FOR $95,100
$104,900 BELOW LAURA´S FICTIONAL MARKET PRICE!
WHEN ACCORDING TO LAURA AND ARK THEY HAVE SAID FOR YEARS THAT THEY ***GAVE*** THE PROPERTY AWAY IN A HOUSE SC, ER, RAFFLE!!!
SO WHERE IS THE WINNER LAURA AND ARK???
IS IT THE SWANSONS???
DO ´WINNERS´ OF RAFFLES NORMALLY PAY $95,100 FOR THEIR PRIZE???
IF I ENTER A RAFFLE TO WIN A PORSCHE 911, I DO NOT EXPECT TO BE GIVEN A PORSCHE BOXSTER AT HALF THE VALUE!
AND I DO NOT EXPECT TO SEE THE ORGANISERS OF SAID RAFFLE TO NOT GIVE THE PORSCHE 911 AWAY, FREE, TO A RANDOMLY CHOSEN WINNER PER THE TERMS OF THE RAFFLE, THEN TO FIND OUT YEARS LATER THAT THE ORGANISERS SECRETLY SOLD THE PRIZE 911 (REALLY A LOUSY BOXSTER) YEARS BEFORE, SOME 28 WEEKS AFTER THE LEGAL DRAW DATE!!!
WHAT AN ALMIGHTY RIP-OFF!!!!!!! THEY SELL THE HOUSE AND POCKET ALL THE RAFFLE MONEY TOO???
EVEN IF THE HOUSE SC, ER, RAFFLE WAS LEGIT - YOU HAVE FALSELY ADVERTISED A $200K HOME TO BE WON, AT $50 A TICKET, WHEN IN FACT THE DUMP IS WORTH LESS THAN HALF THAT - BY RIGHTS ALL TICKET HOLDERS, AND THERE ARE SEVERAL THOUSAND OF THEM BY ALL ACCOUNTS, SHOULD HAVE SOMETHING IN THE ORDER OF $27 PER TICKET RETURNED TO THEM! |
| Anders (BBM)
User ID: 7836
7/11/2005 10:02 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Haha, damn, I know I shouldn´t post here again... but it´s like a car crash, it´s hard to look away (the wounded passengers are the Cassiopaeans, btw). They got butchered here, rammed by a Humvee called Anders after they made the mistake of flicking him off.
Fucking-A Sol, Ark and LAURA and HIS Dupe retarded followers are regrouping
I KNOW Ark and the retard is now figuring out a way to checkmate me - but the PROBLEM is he can´t do it, cos it is
NOT ABOUT ANDERS
IT IS ABOUT EXTRADITION, JAIL TIME, IRS AND RICO FRAUD, MAIL FRAUD, ALL SORTS OF FRAUD, CIVIL FRAUD, LIBEL, DEFAMATION, SLANDER, FELONY WIRE FRAUD, CREDIT CARD FRAUD, PUBLISHING MY PRIVATE EMAILS ON THE INTERNET
AND ON
AND ON
HEY QFS DUPES AND ACCESSORIES
I AM NOT GIVING UP, MY FRIENDS ARE NOT GIVING UP
YOUR UNCONVINCING OUT OF HIS DEPTH TAME LAWYER IN SPAIN IS PROBABLY RUBBING HIS HANDS COS HE KNOWS U FOLKS WILL HAVE TO TOP UP HIS CASH KITTY SOON,
BUT BE WARNED
JUSTICE WILL OUT
AND JUSTICE WILL SEE THAT YOU ALL THAT ARE GUILTY WILL PAY FOR WHAT YOU HAVE DONE |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 10118
7/11/2005 11:45 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
It´ll probably be remembered as the "Cassiopaea campaign" in the annals of GLP, but one board´s hero is another board´s butcher :)
Sol, indeed an interesting and informative thread...but remembered in the annals of GLP?
I doubt it, subject matter doesn´t lend itself to commendation. |
| chandra battershell
User ID: 14873
7/11/2005 11:48 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Requiem for The Cassiopaeans
or how Laura Knight Jadczyk ruined hundreds of lives and recieved a full debt of her karma on God Like Productions.
Geez I had no idea things would turn out so well when I started this struggle.
Invictus I am sorry if I was condesending. I thought that you were Ark and Shrink was Laura. Now I realize that you are a reasonable fellow.
I just want Anders to know that I will not rest until those two are rotting in jail. I suggest everyone contact the FBI, the French Government and anyone else that they can think of to put these two psychopaths in a prison cell for a long long time. Then we won´t have to listen to Laura being a cry baby and complaining about how cold and drafty her prison cell is. I will fly, drive or go anywhere to place the two behind bars.
Is it personal? Yeah it is.
Of course until then we are going to have to hear about how we are all covert cointelpro operatives for meta dimensional beings that are soulless and run our country and world. Or is it that we are all part of a vast Jewish conspiracy run by Mossad to destroy the two petty tyrant bullies.
How about Laura and Ark are just plain New Age grifter criminals?
Hey Henry, How about some inside dirt on what goes on in the chateau?
I think someone should contact Patrick Riverie and tell him who his friends really are.
It has really been fun. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 11570
7/12/2005 2:17 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Sol why do you feel you have to apologise for Anders,and co.......
You can see the disgusting things these people have written...defending a friend......so if your "friends" killed people you would accept this behaviour.......because they are your friend...
im disgusted at what i see written here...it sickens me,and i do mean sickens me.......
Whilst being away and returning to see if there is any progress all i see is more ranting to oneself......
There is no point in the cass folks coming over here at all,its full of sickos.Shucks there have been folks who have done me wrong in the past and I walked away and got on with my life.......
This is not what is happening here.......this is malicious.......Berserk and Amok these folks have gone..........
Maybe if you wanted to do something positive for your friend Sol you would leave him alone here in this one sided forum to rant and rave...as he has been doing...
At first there was a little empathy for this geezer,now i see the instability of the minds at play here.....
Anders got what he asked for |
| Delphine
User ID: 17932
7/12/2005 3:05 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Very interesting thread. Like you, Sol, I´ve
found a lot of thought-provoking stuff at the
C´s site. And, I recently saw some correspondence
between Laura and a friend, in which they locked
horns over David Icke and his new book. I felt
strangely privileged to see Laura´s brain at work
in her responses. The woman has read A LOT of books (no surprise to anyone who has read the site).
The quotes included the C´s, of course, and I did
resonate with most of them. This was my favorite:
Q: (L) So we just have to stay on our toes at all times?
A: Absolutely, don´t let others distract you. You have suffered many attempts
at distraction away from truth. All there is is lessons. This is one
infinite school. There is no other reason for anything to exist. Even
inanimate matter learns it is all an "Illusion." Each individual possesses
all of creation within their minds. Now, contemplate for a moment. Each soul
is all powerful and can create or destroy all existence if [you] know how.
You and us and all others are interconnected by our mutual possession of all
there is. You may create alternative universes if you wish and dwell within.
You are all a duplicate of the universe within which you dwell. Your mind
represents all that exists. It is "fun" to see how much you can access.
Q: (L) It´s fun for who to see how much we can access?
A: All. Challenges are fun. Where do you think the limit of your mind is?
Q: (L) Where?
A: We asked you.
Q: (L) Well, I guess there is no limit.
A: If there is no limit, then what is the difference between your own mind
and everything else?
Q: (L) Well, I guess there is no difference if all is ultimately one.
A: Right. And when two things each have absolutely no limits, they are
precisely the same thing.
Very empowering! Now if only Laura could integrate that into her psychological and philosophical makeup. To live the truth of those words, we need to become strong, not hard, as Sol Invictus said. "Strong endures, hard shatters."
As for being vindictive, the most important thing to remember is that it´s all US anyway:
[link to www.nonduality.com]
"As I only know the contents of my consciousness, and as an outside world is unprovable, all perceivables are only in my mind."
So who is right here? Who is wrong? Or is there really any right or wrong? |
| Sol Invictus
User ID: 3888
7/12/2005 5:49 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
2012: "Sol why do you feel you have to apologise for Anders,and co.......
You can see the disgusting things these people have written...defending a friend......so if your "friends" killed people you would accept this behaviour.......because they are your friend...
im disgusted at what i see written here...it sickens me,and i do mean sickens me......."
I´m not apologizing for anyone, I´m only responsible for my own actions. What I´m "defending" is my version of the truth and my perceptions about what has been said here. The only reason I posted what I above was because it could (in theory) help both Anders and QFS come to a more (in my opinion) objective view of the subject matter. If it sickens you, then to use a Gurdieffian term, perhaps you are "thinking" with your emotional center? I prefer to feel with that one, personally, and think with my intellectual one :P (Or was that a wrong analogy? I don´t know Gurdieff... I consider it too mechanical.)
Anyways, easy for me to say though, granted, as my feelings aren´t on the line here since I´m just an observer and not invested too much in either side. I don´t expect the cass people to come over here, because I don´t expect them to think like me. I will say though (of course, it´s easy for me to do so, again) that if they treated this like a "test" instead of an "attack", they probably should.
Point being, I won´t address the issues anymore. I´m done with that debate, especially since I have no personal interest in discrediting them. If Anders "got what he asked for", then so did the QFS. That´s what I´m saying, and I stand by it.
Dismissing every single thing that Anders accused them of as a lie was the "hard approach", and it backfired, because Anders did show that the material (about OPs, for example) could convince *some people* to leave their marriages. OK, it hasn´t done that as the divorce rate is low in the group, but dismissing it as a complete and total lie was a mistake. That particular argument "shattered."
Godlike *is* a chaotic place, it´s not "fair". Still, it´s not censored either, so it´s a "level playing field". The cass group is not a level playing field for this type of discussion, neither is any other type of moderated board. What it comes down to here is not so much the truth, but rather how it is presented by both sides without constraints. That´s the closest approximation to real life that I´ve seen online.
Chandra, I´ll give you the benefit of the doubt, even IF I still think you´re VB ;) No hard feelings there either though. You weren´t exactly honest before about your motivations but now admit it´s personal, I just wanted to get you to admit this. Cheers.
Delphine, yep, I think you and I are on the same wavelength here. The material can be interpreted in any number of ways, but I too found it "empowering" and disregarded the parts that I thought were counterproductive. It´s all anyone can do, really, stand or fall by their own wisdom and discernment. That´s why I have (and continue to) stick up for the site itself. It´s head and shoulders above places like op terra, zetatalk, or any other site that discusses these kinds of things, it just requires a little (or a lot, as the case may be) discernment when reading it.
Hah, and Anders, I do think it´s a shame if you manage to discredit the site, but a man´s gotta do what a man´s gotta do... We don´t have to agree about this, it´s easy for me to say since I was never treated like a cockroach by their public face ;)
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 17950
7/12/2005 6:53 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
"Chandra, I´ll give you the benefit of the doubt, even IF I still think you´re VB ;)"
I would like to know if Maynerd Most is VB?
[link to www.cassiopaea.org] |
| Anders
User ID: 17957
7/12/2005 7:22 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
683 - the story goes that Laura sent the letter to herself.
Laura named names all over her site, named Vincent Bridges and his wife, and Jay Weidner, and plenty of others, like the farmer whose farm was invaded by the Cassiopaean Cult Commune, and who sued Laura for libelling him on her site in the French Connection ´series´...
OOPS!
Then she was told that she could be sued for doing that, and big time for dragging VB´s name through the mud by making accusations of VB sending Laura death threats (without any proof whatsoever) - so she then childishly and ludicrously substituted Maynard Most for all iterations of VB´s name, as if she thought that would give her some sort of legal protection if VB decided to sue for defamation.
WRONG!!!
You might want to read VB´s version of events.
After all, I have proved that Ark is a liar already several times on these pages - he and Laura lied about Organic Portals, about their house sc, er, raffle, about their being a winner when in fact Laura finally admitted (see above) that Barry Tarr and others left behind stole Laura´s sc, er, raffle monies - ´lined their pockets´ she said. I proved Ark to be a bald faced LIAR and the psychopathic retard has run back to his kennel, tail between his haunches.
Now 683, I have given you plenty of facts on these pages - if you want to believe Laura´s drama queen attention-seeking death threats BS about VB - go right ahead, and more fool you.
Overview and Update 11/15/02
In the six months or so since the “Don’t Feed the Demon” policy took hold, I have refrained from making any further comments. That policy still seems wise, but several things have come up that seem to require another round.
One of these is the fact that lots of folks are passing through the website, and looking at this page, that haven’t a clue what it’s all about. For these, an overview is necessary. They want to know what the dispute is about, really. Why are these two people calling each other such nasty names? Is there any point to it at all?
Interestingly enough, the answer to that question is the second reason why further comment seems required. Since we closed down all the discussion groups, I have had a steady stream of emails from people wanting to tell me about their experiences with Laura Knight Jadczyk and the Cassiopaean Cult. Most of these are just congratulatory for presenting the other side of the story. A few want to know more about the whole thing, and a few need some help understanding why they had the reaction to the Cassiopaeans that they did. I have yet to receive a single email from someone whose experience with the Cassiopaeans was positive. The most common emotional reaction on even the outer fringes of the cult is one of fear, bordering on acute paranoia. What it must be like on the inside is simply beyond imagining…
Which brings me to the third reason why further comments seem necessary. This atmosphere of fear and extreme paranoia, which the Cassiopaeans seem to generate, has attracted some unusual followers. One of them began to email me over the evening of October 10th, and I posted his emails on the sacredmysteries.com forum that morning under the heading “Death Threats from the Cassiopaeans.” Here’s a sample:
“Greetings from David Padalino leader of the human resistance and lead vocalist of the band going by the same name.
“Hey vinnie your constant harassment of people, threats, lies, theft, and
UNJUST actions will be tolerated no longer. I hear you are a magician of some power and you claim to be some kind of expert in many fields. You go by the name of doctor strange and hide behind lawyers as you have no courage, valor or honour. You are a joke, i have been kinda busy to be honest, but i have kept up to date as much as possible with your actions. Well they say you reap what you sow, and you my friend have been a very naughty little vincent. You think you have power, you think you can scare people, you think you can bully people…”
(…)
“Looks like ive found you bitch boy hey fancy a chat? Listen faggot my telephone number is England (44) 0113 2567312, Give me a call vinny and we can discuss the possibilty of you stayin alive to see christmass. Laters you pathetic whimpering, lying, slandering, shit disturbing, cowardly, ugly, unintelligent, skinny, sad, lonley, boring, walter mitty livin magician wanna be. You wanna push some one around? Try me, u think you are fucking tough? I will give you a thousand deaths worse than you can possibly imagine, the clock is ticking bitch, as ICE T said "My lethal weapons my mind" “
I did give him a call, and verified that it was indeed a real person named David Padalino. And then of course, I reported him to various authorities… After a few more salvoes, he grew tired of the game and went away.
And that seemed to be that. Until a few days ago when someone inside the cult emailed me about the new “Death Threats” page on the website. The emailer, whose identity remains unknown, wanted to know if I was in fact the source of the threat, which they found incredible, or if it was final proof that Laura had gone completely nuts. Needless to say, this got my attention.
Since I am banned from even reading the Cassiopaean site, it took some doing to find the page my email correspondent mentioned. I hadn’t seen the Cassiopaean website since last winter and I found the changes to be more than disturbing. Even more than the slickness of the new approach, including the glaring ad for the raffle of the millennium, I was disturbed by the tone of cultic superiority. As I searched for the Death Threats article, I read through much of what Laura has been up to for the last few months.
Appalling is too kind a word…
Let us ignore the crass insanity of trying to solve your financial problems by raffling off your house, and pass over without further mention the badly written and overpriced tomes of autohagiography and self-aggrandizement (anyone wonder what happened to The Noah Syndrome? I’ll bet those folks who pre-ordered it do…). Let us also just note in passing her new obsession with Boris Mouravieff, a curious figure who plagiarized both Gurjdieff and Ouspensky to give Eastern Orthodox Christianity a spuriously metaphysical background, and the adoption of his curiously skewed Fourth Way teaching as the new mystical core of the Cassiopaean cult, and get straight to the heart of the problem: Paranoid delusion.
Here’s a woman who claims to communicate with disincarnate beings via a ouiji board. This could be considered a major pathological delusion in and of itself, but combined with the aggressive cultic behavior of the last few years, we might suspect a more serious psychosis. Charismatic and psychopathic leaders create cultic climates as a kind of hothouse in which their delusions can flower. As the Cassiopaean Cult developed, Laura’s delusions of persecution and self-importance inflated and grew into the curious dogma of the group. This paranoid delusion has now coalesced into the Doctrine of the Organic Portal.
Although the metaphysics of this Doctrine are as arcane as any a Scholastic churchman could wish for, simply put it is a dualistic belief that separates the world into those who have souls, or could have souls, and those who are hopelessly without souls, and therefore completely dehumanised.
Here’s how the Cult puts it:
“The DNA of these two races is so mixed that both can be found within the same families. Your brother, sister, mother, father, daughter or son. Not somebody “other” across the world or across the street worshipping a different god or with a different skin colour. It may be somebody you live with every day of your life, and if so, they have but one reason to be here, to drain, distract and deflect souled beings from evolving. “
Therefore soulless beings are evil, or can be easily used by evil, and their sole purpose is to keep those with the potential to have souls from evolving them.
Here’s how another Cultist put it:
1. OPs collect soul energy from souled individuals.
2. This energy is transmitted to 4D STS.
3. OPs are intermixed in families with souled individuals.
4. When a souled individual makes the commitment to the “work,” he or she needs to learn to conserve the soul energy for without it the work cannot be done.
5. When one makes a commitment to the “work,” one comes under attack.
6. This “attack” comes from those closest to you: family and friends.
“BUT, when someone is in the process of ‘growing’ and strengthening the soul, the Control System will seek to insert even more ‘units’ into that person’s life.”
Hard to imagine, even with all our modern psychiatric knowledge, a more paranoid belief system than the one presented above. Half of humanity are soulless animals bent on the destruction of the other half. They could be anyone, at any time, anywhere, even those we love most. And if we do find out the truth, as provided by the semi-omniscient Cassioapeans, then we come under even greater attack, and can trust no one but those already in the cult. A perfect paranoid Catch 22…
Suppose for instance that an individual found the Cult, joined their discussion groups and began to spend all his free time and energy discussing what the Cassiopaeans had to say about everything. As his friends and family grew concerned about this behavior, the cultists could point to the situation as proof of the contention that commitment to the work causes further attacks. See, they say, they – your family, friends, associates - are all now revealed as unhuman, soulless monsters trying to stop your growth as a souled being.
De-humanizing half the human race, and especially those who oppose you, results in the kind of behavior and expression Mr. Padalino demonstrated in his emails above. To him, I am clearly just an Organic Portal, feeding energy to the “Lizzies” on the astral plane, and therefore deserve anything, including death, that he, as a true human, cares to dish out. “Not by their leaves or their blossoms shall ye judge them, but their fruits…” In this case, the fruit hasn’t fallen very far from the tree, as both Laura and Mr Padalino share the same core beliefs and dysfunctions.
And so, I wasn’t surprised when I finally tracked down the “Death Threats” page and found that somehow, Laura’s super deductive powers had determined that I was the culprit in this heinous and anonymous attack. After all, I was the chief soulless Organic Portal in her worldview. For her system to remain intact, it had to be me…
Her proof is an anonymous email and an anonymous letter from New York. Since I have seen her pull the fake email routine before, the email is suspect. But the letter mailed from New York City could be more interesting. The postmark could tell us where in the City it was mailed and when it was processed. As I have been nowhere near New York City in quite a while, this should help clarify matters. At least one prominent Cult member lives in Brooklyn and works in Manhattan, and it would interesting to see if the letter was mailed from either of those locations.
Needless to say, I had nothing to do with either one of these communications. I am however fairly certain that Laura herself faked the second letter. The devil, as they like to say, is in the details, and the detail here is the timing.
I posted the emails from Mr. Padalino, who may in fact be in their inner group, on October 10th. On October 28th, two and a half weeks later, Laura posted her Death Threats article. This is more than enough time to read the emails posted on sacredmysteries.com’s forum and then concoct a reply that diverts attention back on the evil OPs behind it all.
You StupiD, STupid, StupiD, STupiD, STupid, pieces of SHIT!
You Are Channeling with Satan himSELF
StupiD!!! Oh, Miss knighT, you FEEL Like A chess piece when your life was FAlling Apart. You IdioT! Satan is telling you the truth right to your FACE! The biggest SECret is you Are being controlled by him! You are a Chess piece you idiot! The Lord Jesus Christ is going to release him on your hEad!
Prepare to be destroyed along with your Entire organization. This whole world was A gifT To Satan, promisED to him IN Eternity past while he was StiLL LuciFer
JEsus Keeps his promises. SAtan is AllowEd to run this ENtire planET AND EVEry human being on it. To A CErtain ExtEnt to WAge war Against thE Lord, Whom you havE bLAsphEMED For the last time.
Prepare to be destroyEd by SAtANS hanD.
The letter clearly reveals Laura’s authorship. It is full of the kind of emotional shadow projection and self-referencing layers of meaning used by someone trying to indirectly communicate their worst fears. By objectifying her fears about her self onto a phantom nemesis, the anonymous letter writer, her unconscious is freed to give full range to its darkest and most repressed feelings. The “Miss Knight/Chesspiece” reference shows her sensations of helplessness and fear of being under the control of anonymous forces, an obvious reference to the Cassiopaeans. Within this pun is a secret, that Laura is “controlled” by Satan.
This is a most striking example of repressed guilt, and could only have come from Laura herself. No anonymous Christian whacko in New York City could have been so precise in his denunciation. Her secret fear of course is that her contact with the Cassiopaeans is in fact demonic, as her childhood religion and the experiences of her own psyche insist is the case. No one likes to feel like a chess piece, even a knight, on someone else’s game board. Especially if the player moving you around has a whiff of hellfire clinging to its robes…
Laura, in her need to create something like Mr Padalino’s comments, allowed her deepest fear a means of expression. This is what she imagines her nemesis would say to her, and therefore, since she is her own nemesis, she says it to herself. We can only imagine that something like this plays in her head all day every day. And only by pursuing the evil doers, proving that she is right about everything in every case, on every topic, and constantly channelling the Cassiopaeans, can she gain even a slight amount of peace from the voices shouting; “Stupid, Stupid, stupid…”
This is truly sad, pathetic even. But we should not let our compassion blind us to the danger this cult presents to those who wander into its webs unaware. Laura Knight Jadczyk has all the hallmarks of a classic charismatic psychopath, complete with a long history of instability and anti-social behaviour, and there can now be little doubt that Cassiopaea is in fact a cult. And yet, so complete is the cultic mind control, that even as the cult leaders organize a giant fraud, the raffle of the millennium, in order to raise money to escape to Europe, the faithful dutifully repeat the party line
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 17963
7/12/2005 7:41 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Anders, I gather from what I have read so far that you are Andy? (I have not read all the thread)
If so, which part of these claims are true?
<<Yes - I also wrote to VB twice and apologised most sincerely - at the time I was working under the express orders of Laura, I was her gofer at Matrisohka and I did a lot of investigative work on VB´s background.>>
A lie, and you know it Andy. Do you want emails posted to provide documentation? The emails that will prove that you volunteered most enthusiastically for the project, the emails that show how over zealous you were, the emails that show how again and again Laura tried to remind you to stick to the facts, to not go out and make a fool of yourself with your wild rants on public message boards? Rants that were, in fact, similar to the ones on this one. How about the emails where you wrote to Laura apologizing time and again for “forgetting yourself” when you did this? How about the emails where you apoogize for taking it upon yourself to start writing to all of Bridges’ associates to warn them about him? An act that was definitely NOT appropriate. |
| Anders (BBM)
User ID: 17957
7/12/2005 8:05 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
<<Yes - I also wrote to VB twice and apologised most sincerely - at the time I was working under the express orders of Laura, I was her gofer at Matrisohka and I did a lot of investigative work on VB´s background.>>
A lie, and you know it Andy. Do you want emails posted to provide documentation? The emails that will prove that you volunteered most enthusiastically for the project, the emails that show how over zealous you were, the emails that show how again and again Laura tried to remind you to stick to the facts, to not go out and make a fool of yourself with your wild rants on public message boards? Rants that were, in fact, similar to the ones on this one. How about the emails where you wrote to Laura apologizing time and again for “forgetting yourself” when you did this? How about the emails where you apoogize for taking it upon yourself to start writing to all of Bridges’ associates to warn them about him? An act that was definitely NOT appropriate.
I see Ark is back threatening me again.
I hope the QFS CCC tame Spanish lawyer is paying attention to these threats from Ark.
The threats alone constitue breaking the law - and I have been threatened over 20 times now by Ark and Laura and their QFS CCC minions.
I wrote to VB and apologised for being a gofer and working hand in glove with Ark and Laura (and others) to try and discredit him - in that letter, of which I have a copy, I also apologised to Dr Teresa Burns and others, and asked VB to convey my apologies. I told VB that I was sorry for what I did - and I still am.
So Ark, if you post any emails, which of course could easily be DOCTORED by you to say pretty much anything, I WILL sue.
You have my word on that.
I live in London and the French Embassy is an hour away.
I will be at that Embassy´s legal department in no time at all - in fact I may go along anyway, as you have already threatened me over the internet over 20 times, and you have illegally posted my PRIVATE emails to Laura.
You are treading on thin ice my psychopathic little friend - remember, there may be warrants out for your arrest in the USA and/or via Interpol.
I have friends who bought hundreds of dollar´s worth of sc, er, raffle tickets - and they have filed complaints with the authorities in the USA - I think it is about time the French Embassy here in London are paid a visit TO SEE IF THEIR MONEY CAN BE RECOVERED FROM THE QFS CCC CULT MEMBERS.
I DO NOT TAKE KINDLY TO THREATS ARK
PROCEED AT YOUR OWN PERIL
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 11570
7/12/2005 9:04 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
I see Ark is back threatening me again.
I hope the QFS CCC tame Spanish lawyer is paying attention to these threats from Ark.
Threats Andy? Your posts are full of lies and obscenities and filth....you are either ill or someone is putting you up to it.....I dont know which..........
I have never seen such BS.
The reason why the Cass board is monitored is not to be dictatorial i assume, its just that i dont think there are many folks who want to hear the rants and lies of the sort you are throwing out here....
Yes Sol is right this is an open forum,and as such any crap can be spoken
Example
How can you spend 500 thousand and lose millions..go re read half the crap youve written and thats been written here.........and it is crap.........
The question is....why? |
| Anders (BBM)
User ID: 17957
7/12/2005 9:09 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Of course, one of the reasons I was booted, along with smith, see below, is because we spoke out about how daft an idea the raffle was in the first place - smith however had his head really screwed on and he could see a mile off how the house raffle scam was going to play out, and thus the exchange that follows shows how the cass cult boots out those that ask questions that hit too close to home.
When smith went public to me and others (see his email below) about his fears that Laura and Ark were gonna use the scam as their retirement fund, he was booted, and as you can see below, he was further publicly chastised by none other than one Scott Ogrin, who simply was gagging to move to France along with Laura and Ark - and he is a loyal minion still there to this very day...
I wonder if Scott Ogrin will wise up and ask his overlords the obvious questions...
smith writes:
> However, you have become so caught up in it all that
> you have lost all possible perspective seeing
> conspiracy in every direction.
SO: yes, but that´s because there IS conspiracy in every direction.
> Frankly, I see conspiracy too, and it relates to
> attempting to "move to France" using Other People´s
> Money. It is sounding less and less like an
> exploration of the greater unseen universe and more
> like a retirement plan.
SO: retirement my eye. it seems Agent smith was implying that L&A are lazy, that they don´t want to work for anything. of course, this neglects the simple fact that for the past several years, they have done nothing BUT work really hard for all of us essentially for free.
> France is a convienent place to consider. It is
> western in mentality and so provides the amenities one
> might be used to, and access to an infinite array of
> culture. It is also sufficiently difficult to get to
> that those who contribute to the cause are
> statistically unlikely to actually be dropping by to
> collect on the "foundation resources". Plus they have
> great wine.
SO: except for maybe some country either in the middle of the desert or one covered in ice, i don´t think there are many countries today that are easy to get into.
but i do agree with the great wine part. and i´m not a big wine drinker.
> issue. You were insulted by my remark? *I* was
> insulted by the whole house raffle idea. Where the
> heck do you get off trying to sucker people into
> providing you retirement to France?
SO: then he should have unsubscribed earlier. the house raffle idea is a creative solution to a big problem. is it perfect? no. is there a perfect solution that is accessible to us? maybe. but probably not. and as for the feasibility of the raffle idea, i will admit there are legal issues to advertising the raffle outside of florida. for IL, i would need to have someone in the Perseus Foundation send there 501(3)c-abc123 form and a description of the raffle and all the legal stuff to some guy named Floyd. if Floyd gives it the go-ahead, the atty gen´l will ultimately review everything and decide personally if it´s legal or not. then the atty gen´l has to send a letter of approval to the newspaper. and even after all that, the newspaper may refuse to print the ad if they still think they might get in hot water, or if they just don´t like it. =] so i can certainly see legal troubles if we are not careful. i was not careful because i tried to place an ad in the tribune before checking the legal stuff. in IL, it´s a big pain. in other states, it might not be. but even if the raffle was limited to just FL, it can still be a huge success.
just don´t be a bozo like me.
> corner. Somehow the conspiracies are all directed at
> you which is why I should donate money using PayPal
> and buy a raffle ticket for a house in Florida that I
> have no use for. And yes, I get these constant
SO: Huh?
> reminders about these things. The Cassiopaea site has
> seemingly become a job and means of income instead of
> information sharing and education.
SO: yes, and it´s making L&A SO filthy stinking rich that they cruise around town in their shiny red ferrari. :)
seriously, i don´t know of ANY other web site that freely shares the kind of unbelievably valuable information that the C´s site shares.
> into a vortex of war and collapse. But I do not need
> you to tell me that This Is Not Good.
SO: fine, then it´s better for all that he unsubscribed.
> STS itself? Of all the things that the Cs have said,
> why do you cling to that particular one so dearly
> except that it sounds Really Nice to retire to the
> south of France?
SO: nonesense. did he read the transcripts and various articles? because i thought they presented a nice array of clues (and analysis of those clues) that indicates that france seems to be the next step.
> Repeatedly in the transcripts the Cassiopaeans suggest
> that there is not much to DO except sit back, observe
> and learn. It is yourself that are so hell bent on
> making your mark and rattling cages.
SO: this was addressed quite clearly by laura (and quite timely in my case, i might add) in several fairly recent posts to the group.
> will likely take, the visibility of the house raffle
> will be raised to "the authorities" and you are likely
> to face legal repercussions over it. These will
> increase the more involved in the raffle you become
> and the larger the actual dollar amounts become. Your
> response will be to rail on about how the
> "authorities" are responding to the forces of darkness
> and trying to crush the truth and how the control
> system is responding. Next you will set up a Perseus
> legal defense fund, and attempt to extract even more
> money.
SO: what was this guy doing here? of course, one wonders: will HE bring it to the attention of authorities now??
> I suggest that in the end, you will have even less
> money than you have today and you will not be living
> in France. The world will go to hell in a bucket and
SO: well, they can always sell the ferrari. they´re hand built, ya know.
> in your own self importance. Do you really really
> think that your blog on current events, despite the
> hit count, will really cause the entire world to rise
> up? How many of the readers do so for the simple
> amusement it might give them?
SO: now he´s just trying to belittle laura.
in summary, i believe the physical QFS is a fantastic idea. i am hoping that after L&A make the move, i will also go and be able to support myself for a year or two and help in any way i can to establish the school. after that who knows? of course, i don´t know what the future holds, but i do hope that a QFS center is a part of it. when laura first posted about the center, i cried. an emotional reaction obviously, but i don´t think it was a lower emotional thing. the idea has been on my mind for awhile, and it resonated with me.
but then, maybe i´m just looney? ;) (Anders - yes, 10 out of 10 Scott)
OSIT,
Scott
(Anders - note for non cass cult dupes - OSIT = ´Or So I Think,´ an Ark´ism that slavish Scott duplicates all the time like a puppy dog...)
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| zions fled
User ID: 17972
7/12/2005 9:11 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Quite awhile back I had a thread on the wave series and delved into understanding this. I got about half way through it and will return later. This is my opinion of it. I believe Laura is a chaneller that is genuine. She has come by some amazing info. I think though she is chanelling from a fractured mind. There is a big theory that I tend to agree with that alien abductions come to those who have been abused as youth. That the greys are a form of bondage from free will. I have found the only way to the infinte is the multiverse. Now I think she is channeling from a dimension of bondage that many are in and struggling to escape. All possibilities are reality in the infinte. She´s tuned in to a world that is in direct struggle with other ideals for this dimension we presently reside. |
| Anders (BBM)
User ID: 17957
7/12/2005 9:11 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
I see Ark is back threatening me again.
I hope the QFS CCC tame Spanish lawyer is paying attention to these threats from Ark.
Threats Andy? Your posts are full of lies and obscenities and filth....you are either ill or someone is putting you up to it.....I dont know which..........
I have never seen such BS.
The reason why the Cass board is monitored is not to be dictatorial i assume, its just that i dont think there are many folks who want to hear the rants and lies of the sort you are throwing out here....
Yes Sol is right this is an open forum,and as such any crap can be spoken
Example
How can you spend 500 thousand and lose millions..go re read half the crap youve written and thats been written here.........and it is crap.........
The question is....why?
Thanks for the bump.
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 11570
7/12/2005 9:12 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
As for all the minnions of disgruntled Cass members, cassiopans anonymous etc where are they i hear only you and Possably Vincent Bridges...
no i think the Cass folks are doing the wisest things poss...staying away from here......... |
| Anders (BBM)
User ID: 17957
7/12/2005 9:13 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
As for all the minnions of disgruntled Cass members, cassiopans anonymous etc where are they i hear only you and Possably Vincent Bridges...
no i think the Cass folks are doing the wisest things poss...staying away from here.........
Thanks for the bump.
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| Anders (BBM)
User ID: 17957
7/12/2005 9:18 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Quite awhile back I had a thread on the wave series and delved into understanding this. I got about half way through it and will return later. This is my opinion of it. I believe Laura is a chaneller that is genuine. She has come by some amazing info. I think though she is chanelling from a fractured mind. There is a big theory that I tend to agree with that alien abductions come to those who have been abused as youth. That the greys are a form of bondage from free will. I have found the only way to the infinte is the multiverse. Now I think she is channeling from a dimension of bondage that many are in and struggling to escape. All possibilities are reality in the infinte. She´s tuned in to a world that is in direct struggle with other ideals for this dimension we presently reside.
Possibly the early Cs had elements of truth - when Fred Irland was the tuning fork.
However, now, any work done by Laura is tarnished by her psychpathic behaviour towards people, and her New Age grifting going way back.
I wonder if Chandra´s 9 questions will ever be answered by Laura - here they are again:
1) What is the name of the person who won the House Raffle? Please list a contact address or phone number.
2) Why hasn´t that person laid claim to your house?
3) Why did you praise Weidner and Bridges work on Fulcanelli, then trash them by calling them psychopaths and then plagiarize their work?
4) Why did yourself in the future lie to yourself in the past and say that you were an alien from cassiopaea when you were really just yourself in the future?
5) How do you reconcile the fact that you channelled aliens from cassiopaea with Fred Ireland, but later discovered that he also was a psychopath.
6) If you are not really channelling aliens from Cassiopaea but are actually channelling yourself in the future, how come you yourself in the future didn´t warn you yourself in the past that your channelling partner, Fred Ireland, was a psychopath?
7) Why didn´t you yourself in the future warn you that Bridges was a psychopath?
8) Why did you change the transcripts of the cassiopaean sessions?
9) Do you really believe that your former husband is a robot? |
| Jodido
User ID: 17974
7/12/2005 9:22 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
I have one test question for you all to ask whatever you are channeling: ask them about the movie/play Rocky Horror Picture Show. If they don´t know about it or say that it means nothing in relation to todays events, then you know they are BS.
This coming from someone in the know. BTW, STgeorge, you have any inkling who I am? Giggle |
| Jodido
User ID: 17974
7/12/2005 9:31 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Saw this, something said by Laura´s C´s and had to reply, here is what the C´s said:
"All there is is lessons. This is one
infinite school. There is no other reason for anything to exist."
That is BS. One thing I have noticed about the C´s is that they have taken God out of the picture. Why do you think we are here (on Earth)?
Life is made to enjoy, FYI. |
| Anders (BBM)
User ID: 17957
7/12/2005 10:37 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
I have a copy of a legal document in front of me, prepared by sharon pittman and david carter, attorneys at law, 7419 US highway 19, new port richey FL 34652-1240
YOU CAN SEE IT FOR YOURSELF HERE
[link to appraiser.pascogov.com]
AND HERE
[link to appraiser.pascogov.com]
it is the sale document, the plot no-09-26-16-0030-11700-0070
it describes the sale by Laura and Ark of the house that was supposed to have been give away in a raffle 5 days after the raffle draw date of 16th january 2003
the document lists Laura´s address in France, and Laura and Ark signed the sale deed via a French Notary - with a French Notary´s official stamp
an August 22nd 2003 sale (7 months, 28 weeks LATE - 28 weeks AFTER the house title deed should have been signed over for ZERO DOLLARS!) of an
alleged $200,000 property (LMAO), as per Laura´s sc, er, raffle blurb
see here [link to web.archive.org]
to generate a heady and greedy $300k
(Anders - and to my interpretation of the relevant NON-PROFIT AND CHARITY laws, totally illegal...)
which went for a measly, MEASLY $95,100!!!!!
LMAO! If it wasn´t such a rip-off!
that is $105,000 LESS than Laura said to all the raffle ticket buyers!
´One lucky ticket holder will win the approximately 3,000 sq. ft, 6-bedroom, 2-bath, 2 living room, double lot (100X 150 feet) home located in the quiet, picturesque, small town of New Port Richey, Florida. The home´s market value is $200,000. You may obtain more than one ticket, however, a limit of 6,000 are available.´
BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY - IT WAS ***SOLD*** BY LAURA AND ARK TO THE SWANSON FAMILY!!!
YES, YOU HEARD IT - SOLD FOR $95,100
$104,900 BELOW LAURA´S FICTIONAL MARKET PRICE!
WHEN ACCORDING TO LAURA AND ARK THEY HAVE SAID FOR YEARS THAT THEY ***GAVE*** THE PROPERTY AWAY IN A HOUSE SC, ER, RAFFLE!!!
SO WHERE IS THE WINNER LAURA AND ARK???
IS IT THE SWANSONS???
DO ´WINNERS´ OF RAFFLES NORMALLY PAY $95,100 FOR THEIR PRIZE???
IF I ENTER A RAFFLE TO WIN A PORSCHE 911, I DO NOT EXPECT TO BE GIVEN A PORSCHE BOXSTER AT HALF THE VALUE!
AND I DO NOT EXPECT TO SEE THE ORGANISERS OF SAID RAFFLE TO NOT GIVE THE PORSCHE 911 AWAY, FREE, TO A RANDOMLY CHOSEN WINNER PER THE TERMS OF THE RAFFLE, THEN TO FIND OUT YEARS LATER THAT THE ORGANISERS SECRETLY SOLD THE PRIZE 911 (REALLY A LOUSY BOXSTER) YEARS BEFORE, SOME 28 WEEKS AFTER THE LEGAL DRAW DATE!!!
WHAT AN ALMIGHTY RIP-OFF!!!!!!! THEY SELL THE HOUSE AND POCKET ALL THE RAFFLE MONEY TOO???
EVEN IF THE HOUSE SC, ER, RAFFLE WAS LEGIT - YOU HAVE FALSELY ADVERTISED A $200K HOME TO BE WON, AT $50 A TICKET, WHEN IN FACT THE DUMP IS WORTH LESS THAN HALF THAT - BY RIGHTS ALL TICKET HOLDERS, AND THERE ARE SEVERAL THOUSAND OF THEM BY ALL ACCOUNTS, SHOULD HAVE SOMETHING IN THE ORDER OF $27 PER TICKET RETURNED TO THEM!
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| Anders (BBM)
User ID: 17957
7/12/2005 11:05 AM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Hah, and Anders, I do think it´s a shame if you manage to discredit the site, but a man´s gotta do what a man´s gotta do... We don´t have to agree about this, it´s easy for me to say since I was never treated like a cockroach by their public face ;)
Hi Sol - actually I am not discrediting the site, because, as you say, if you read it with discernment based on say 5-10 years +++ of metaphysical reading, then you may find information of value. One would hope so, because Laura has plagiarised ideas from a whole batallion of other metaphysical writers (this is why the Cs from Laura´s head sound so knowledgeable and convincing) - but discernment is needed, because she (and the current Jinn-like Cs) throws in the old SWITCHEROO (as she calls it) all the time - one example being Organic Portals, an veritable 3 billion army of souless humanoids bent on your destruction. LOL.
I have also heard whispers from trusted friends that Laura has been tempted to change base raw information (i.e accepted dates in the past for known events) to fit discarnate channelled Cassiopaean dates...
And also of course we have the transcripts themselves, which simply cannot be trusted - Laura can, and does at any time she likes, go back and change the base transcript information.
Having been caught red handed by a transcriber - Laura justifies this on her Swerdlow page at length - basically it is a long cop out that more or less says it´s my ball and if I don´t want you to play with it I´ll take it away - If you want to play with my ball you gotta play by my rules - and OH - I reserve the right to change the rules at any time.
But why, Laura?
Because it´s my ball.
Don´t believe me?
Go to the Cass Swerdlow page and scroll down - she is talking about this very thread, but of course will not give this GLP link url lest her dupe readers learn a few truths about Laura and Ark.
[link to www.cassiopaea.org]
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 18065
7/12/2005 1:46 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
<<Yes - I also wrote to VB twice and apologised most sincerely - at the time I was working under the express orders of Laura, I was her gofer at Matrisohka and I did a lot of investigative work on VB´s background.>>
A lie, and you know it Andy. Do you want emails posted to provide documentation? The emails that will prove that you volunteered most enthusiastically for the project, the emails that show how over zealous you were, the emails that show how again and again Laura tried to remind you to stick to the facts, to not go out and make a fool of yourself with your wild rants on public message boards? Rants that were, in fact, similar to the ones on this one. How about the emails where you wrote to Laura apologizing time and again for “forgetting yourself” when you did this? How about the emails where you apoogize for taking it upon yourself to start writing to all of Bridges’ associates to warn them about him? An act that was definitely NOT appropriate.
I see Ark is back threatening me again.
I hope the QFS CCC tame Spanish lawyer is paying attention to these threats from Ark.
The threats alone constitue breaking the law - and I have been threatened over 20 times now by Ark and Laura and their QFS CCC minions.
Actually Anders/Andy, you are wrong, I am not Ark,although I was in the group when you were in it.
I remember that, at the time you were attacking VB, many in the group were telling you to lay off because things were getting out of hand.
The above information the QFG have provided is the truth of what happened.
Andy, I do not know what has happened to you since you left the group, but what you say above about being Lauras´ gofer is a lie, a big lie.
The trouble with lies of course is that, when you tell one lie, you have to cover it up with another, so on and so forth until the lie becomes huge.
I am dissapointed to see that you have become such a liar Andy, how many more lies have you told?
By the way this is my final post to this thread, so you can rant as much as you like as I will not be participating any longer. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 16146
7/12/2005 4:10 PM | | Re: Ok, enough about Nancy and the Zetas. What do you all know about Laura and the Cassiopaeans? | Quote |
Hello Anders,
Alcoholics are known to obsess about the same thing over and over, are you drunk? High? It appears that you are. You sound as obnoxious as any other boozing druggie. I was listening to you for a while, but now I think you may have a substance abuse problem. |
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