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It's a long time since I have posted a serious new thread on here, but this needs to be done as more and more people are falling for the spurious health advice of our Masters. Their advice is driving the obesity, diabetes, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, Alzheimers and heart disease epidemics!

When considering how you eat and the advice you take from 'experts' remember that diabetic patients are worth $500 a month to Big Pharma, so its not surprising that this is rising. It has been rising exponentially since the 'low-fat' mantra was adopted and sold!

I am 5 foot 9 and used to weigh 235 pounds and lost 85 pounds by turning all the conventional health advice on its head! I was starting to develop full blown diabetes and was getting the side effects like arthritis, psoraiasis, painful tingling toes and fingers, etc. All these conditions have almost fully reversed on my new way of eating.

The fact is EVERYTHING you have ever been told about diet is totally wrong .... like totally!

OK, here is an email I sent to someone else on the subject and has a lot of links. It is done from the perspective of various people suffering from related Metabolic Syndrome conditions - gaining weight, diabetes,blood pressure, high cholesterol, Alzheimers, etc.

The simple ratio is this for the Kwasniewksi Optimal Diet, which is the one that my wife and I pretty much follow:

3 - 3.5 g fat to 1g protein to 1/2 or 1/4 gram (depending on glucose tolerance levels) carbs

The protein and carbs are the most important since they are the only two that can lead to weight gain. To calculate your correct protein amount

for losing weight - do this equation:

What is your ideal weight in kilo's? Mine was 70 kg.

That equates to 1g of protein per kilo of body weight i.e. 70 grams per day.

To lose weight carbs should be 20 grams or under.

So basically this equates to

210 - 245 gm of fat - 70 gm of protein - 20 gm of carbs = about

2250-2610 calories

I have found that the calories and fats don't matter at all - all that matters is protein and carbs.

Sounds complicated - but its not - stick to green vegetables, count the protein portions but pretty much the fat is eat as much as fills you up so you don't feel hungry.
If you weight 90 kilos and eat 70gm's of protein - you create a deficit and in the absence of carbs your weight will drop pretty fast until the two come into balance.

THIS IS WHERE YOU ARE
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You may want to start off by first getting used to restricting the carbs and eating as much meat, cheese, etc as you want. You will still lose weight, though not as fast as when you kick into full mode.

If you get a stall, try reducing the protein by 10-20 gm and increase the fat by about the same amount for a couple of days. Yes, you increase your calories by doing this by about 140 a day and your weight drops, a real paradox.

Exercise increases the rate of weight loss, but is not really required to lose weight. It does help bring your resting pulse rate down though and makes you feel fitter and builds muscle which is good. It also means that you can get away with more protein that is used to build muscle fibre rather than make glucose.

If you feel hungry - then eat. This is important. And try not eat late at night. Ideally eat meal at 6-7pm but best to eat not later than 8:30.

Getting a good 7-8 hours sleep and having the occasional long lie-in speeds up weight loss. Yes, SLEEP!! And lie-ins speed the weight loss. Far more effective than any exercise.

Good sources of fat:
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Macadamia Nuts (you can get big boxes of Mauna Loa - the BEST - at Costco) These are our staple snack. They are so yummie!
Cream Cheese
Cream + Cream Sauces (loads of recipe's out there)
Almonds (though watch the protein) ground good for thickening sauces
Pecans
Clotted Cream
Pate (though watch the carb content on some or better make your own)
Avocado
Olives
Chicken Wings
Pork crackling
Rib-Eye-Steak (nicely marbled with fat and a cream mustard sauce mmmmm!)
Streaky bacon (watch the nitrates though, they slow weight loss and make your joints ache)
Butter (great on all vegetables - yum)
Mayonnaise
Fatty Fish - mackerel, salmon, etc
Coconut Oil (one of the best for frying)
Olive Oil (pour copiously over all salads)
Groundnut Oil (great for home made mayo)

Things you can pretty much eat
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[link to forum.lowcarber.org]

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thanks. it's true. i have a hard time staying away from carbs, tho. switched over to good fats a few years ago and it's made a big difference.
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thanks. it's true. i have a hard time staying away from carbs, tho. switched over to good fats a few years ago and it's made a big difference.
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It's only hard to begin with .... once the body switches over it gets easier. I can't imagine ever eating more than 20 gm of carbs a day again.

I never crave them and hardly ever feel hungry. I try to eat 5 medium sized meals a day just to keep my system ticking over.
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Yup. Read "The primal blueprint" I've been eating primal for weeks and have lost weight and I feel great.
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... yep! ... the "experts" are dangerous! ...
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... when you understand how digestion works ... it is very evident how dangerous the carbs and sugar ...
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Im not a math wiz lol my dad weighs 340 lbs so wat would his ratio be. He is a diabetic and has had problems with losing weight. Right now anything is a help!
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Im not a math wiz lol my dad weighs 340 lbs so wat would his ratio be. He is a diabetic and has had problems with losing weight. Right now anything is a help!
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At that weight as long as heats less than 340gm of protein he will be fine. In reality he probably couldn't manage anywhere near that, since protein (and high fat) fights back by increasing leptin levels and suppressing hunger. Its the carbs that raise appetite and make you crave more carbs.

He should pretty much just avoid carbs (under 20gm) and not worry too much about the rest. His blood sugars will plunge and his weight will follow the sugars.

Meat, cheese, eggs, cream, full fat mayo, etc to his hearts content - with about 3-4 small green veg helpings a day.

Once he is down to about 180 pounds then he can worry about the ratio's!
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A few years ago I went to weight watchers. They had a list of SLIM FAST foods - on this list was tinned baked beans and tinned spaghetti. I tried them for a few weeks and lost loads of weight. A guy in England ate only baked beans for a a month and lost about 2 stone.
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Thanks for sharing OP. I was just diagnosed with Diabetes and looking the ADA "recommended" diet is a crock of shit. I was looking for information just like this. hf
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It's a long time since I have posted a serious new thread on here,..


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Wow, haven't seen that tag in quite a while!!!
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Like any diet, people have to be educated to know the difference between good and bad fats. I can't tell you the number of people I know who have done the low carb thing and thought it meant living on a pound of bacon and a bun-less burger smothered in cheese and a T-bone steak daily.
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Thanks for sharing OP. I was just diagnosed with Diabetes and looking the ADA "recommended" diet is a crock of shit. I was looking for information just like this. hf
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I am sorry to hear that. It is very shocking I know from experience, but it's totally in your control. Diabetes is, I believe, totally reversible over time but it does need self-discipline esp in the short term. I experimented a lot with my blood sugars and brought them down from 240 to under 100, most of the time more around 80. I have not used ANY medications at all. You can do it!

I call the ADA diet the 'lets give diabetics some other conditions to worry about" diet .... Pharma just calls it $$$ :)

BTW - you will see from my changing IP that every time I post, I get banned - Am I saying some things that someone doesn't like?
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thanks. it's true. i have a hard time staying away from carbs, tho. switched over to good fats a few years ago and it's made a big difference.


It's only hard to begin with .... once the body switches over it gets easier. I can't imagine ever eating more than 20 gm of carbs a day again.

I never crave them and hardly ever feel hungry. I try to eat 5 medium sized meals a day just to keep my system ticking over.
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Many thanks, v interesting indeed!

I'm a 6 foot bloke and I just started the Atkins 2 weeks ago and have dropped from a disgusting (too much beer!) 293 lbs to 278, stalled on 278 the last 3-4 days tho, weird. I have had the flu-like symptoms for 2 weeks too, as you say I think it is withdrawl from the way I was eating - weird thing is my skin on face has gone a bit spotty, dunno if it is too much olive oil or what, I'm thinking I may be getting rid of toxinds as Im eating much more healthily.

I am VERY interested in your ratios tho, will check out the links.

What will confuse me tho is tring to work out how much everything weighs in grams, is the only solution buying a scale and weighing everything? Gonna be impractical eating out, LOL!
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Thanks for sharing OP. I was just diagnosed with Diabetes and looking the ADA "recommended" diet is a crock of shit. I was looking for information just like this. hf
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That is because they are trying to kill you, fluoride, trying to kill you, banning of vitamins and health food shops, trying to kill you, cloned animals and meat/milk, trying to kill you, chemtrails, trying to kill you, vaccines, trying to kill you, radiotherapy, trying to kill you...

Do the OPPOSITE of what the govt nannies say and u will not go far wrong!
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OP you are dead on....it's like the Atkins diet..... and that is the only way I have lost weight successfully! It's also called the Hunter's Diet. It's what God intended us to eat in the first place. Meats, fat and leafy greens. Lotsa veggies and all the meats you want! I was never hungry when I was trying to l,ose weight..and it just falls off.

never see a fat eskimo.
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Well I think for people who eat a lot of carbs, it is important to stick with the polyunsaturated fats. But for the low carb diet, no.
I used to be on a low carb diet and it worked great for me. I need to get back to that and having this list of foods will really help.
Thanks.
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Thanks for sharing OP. I was just diagnosed with Diabetes and looking the ADA "recommended" diet is a crock of shit. I was looking for information just like this. hf



That is because they are trying to kill you, fluoride, trying to kill you, banning of vitamins and health food shops, trying to kill you, cloned animals and meat/milk, trying to kill you, chemtrails, trying to kill you, vaccines, trying to kill you, radiotherapy, trying to kill you...

Do the OPPOSITE of what the govt nannies say and u will not go far wrong!
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Right on!!

The OPPOSITE every time.....

It's so funny, people who used to know me when I was large see me smoke and they do a disconnect. They always ask me how I square that with the new 'healthy me'! They never seem to connect the reason that I look 'healthy' is because I supposedly eat so 'unhealthy' lol

Always tell 'em - I am totally consistent. I did the opposite with the diet and it worked. So, I guess if they don't want me to smoke then there is a good reason why I should carry right on lol
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Cool, thanks for posting, I'm sure there is something to this.
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who cut the cheese? damn! Farting ki
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thanks. it's true. i have a hard time staying away from carbs, tho. switched over to good fats a few years ago and it's made a big difference.


It's only hard to begin with .... once the body switches over it gets easier. I can't imagine ever eating more than 20 gm of carbs a day again.

I never crave them and hardly ever feel hungry. I try to eat 5 medium sized meals a day just to keep my system ticking over.


Many thanks, v interesting indeed!

I'm a 6 foot bloke and I just started the Atkins 2 weeks ago and have dropped from a disgusting (too much beer!) 293 lbs to 278, stalled on 278 the last 3-4 days tho, weird. I have had the flu-like symptoms for 2 weeks too, as you say I think it is withdrawl from the way I was eating - weird thing is my skin on face has gone a bit spotty, dunno if it is too much olive oil or what, I'm thinking I may be getting rid of toxinds as Im eating much more healthily.

I am VERY interested in your ratios tho, will check out the links.

What will confuse me tho is tring to work out how much everything weighs in grams, is the only solution buying a scale and weighing everything? Gonna be impractical eating out, LOL!
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Keep going! You will feel much better for it. I had loads of stalls. I think the body is rearranging itself and you are right about the detoxing that happens. I think that is one of the reasons you stall.

Toxins are stored in the fat cells and when you break down fat cells they are released into your system. I think during stalls your body is making sure it gets rid of the toxins you have released before it releases more.

A 'real' stall is one that goes on for 2 months. That means your body has reached a new equilibrium and you have to shake things up. I found the Atkins 'Fat fast' a very effective method for breaking stall. You can do it for 4-5 days (and its not too hard) and it will break a stall. Basically it involves limiting your calories to about 1,000 calories, with 90% coming from fat. It was not uncommon for me to lose about 8-10 lbs in those 4-5 days. You might gain 2-3 lbs back when you stop but you do achieve a net loss and it breaks the stall.

Another option is the Candida Diet for breaking stalls. Most of us suffer from fungal overgrowth caused by eating too many sugars, depleting good bacteria through anti-biotic courses, etc. On the Candida Diet you effectively eat just lots of meat and green vegetables and take some of those Acidophilus capsules you can buy in health food shops. They are great and I always take them now after a course of anti-biotics. Basically the good bacteria keep the fungus in check (sugar feeds it). Antibiotics kill good and bad, hence why women can get thrush when they take antibiotics. Candida overgrowth will limit weight loss big time! I did the Candida diet for 4 weeks about 3 months into my weight loss plan. It was effective in breaking a stall.

Good luck!
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JUST SAY NO to cheese and milk rockon
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who cut the cheese? damn! Farting ki
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Actually it's sugars, starches and fibre that cause gas - fats and proteins cause very little :)

[link to digestive.niddk.nih.gov]

The sugars that cause gas are raffinose, lactose, fructose, and sorbitol.

Raffinose. Beans contain large amounts of this complex sugar. Smaller amounts are found in cabbage, brussels sprouts, broccoli, asparagus, other vegetables, and whole grains.

Have you ever smelt the brussels sprout fart? It's not pretty!! lol

Another good reason to avoid people who regularly have their FIVE A DAY lol
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Like any diet, people have to be educated to know the difference between good and bad fats. I can't tell you the number of people I know who have done the low carb thing and thought it meant living on a pound of bacon and a bun-less burger smothered in cheese and a T-bone steak daily.
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Actually that sounds pretty good. Lots of good healthy saturated fats :)

I would go for rib-eye though - its fattier - and cover it in a nice Bearnaise or Peppercorn sauce made from Double Cream

Though low on the bacon unless I can get the nitrite free variety

Though my favourite by far is:

Lamb Mince
Shallots
Red Peppers
Mushrooms
Hot Cayenne Pepper
Paprika
Cumin
Tarragon
Coriander Leaf (Cilantro)
Salt & pepper

all nicely fried up in butter

then covered with grated cheese

sour cream all over the top

and sprinkled with sliced hot jalapeno peppers

And know that I shan't gain an ounce, in fact I lost my 85 pounds having this at least 3 times a week :) Yummie!
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Like any diet, people have to be educated to know the difference between good and bad fats. I can't tell you the number of people I know who have done the low carb thing and thought it meant living on a pound of bacon and a bun-less burger smothered in cheese and a T-bone steak daily.


Actually that sounds pretty good. Lots of good healthy saturated fats :)

I would go for rib-eye though - its fattier - and cover it in a nice Bearnaise or Peppercorn sauce made from Double Cream

Though low on the bacon unless I can get the nitrite free variety

Though my favourite by far is:

Lamb Mince
Shallots
Red Peppers
Mushrooms
Hot Cayenne Pepper
Paprika
Cumin
Tarragon
Coriander Leaf (Cilantro)
Salt & pepper

all nicely fried up in butter

then covered with grated cheese

sour cream all over the top

and sprinkled with sliced hot jalapeno peppers

And know that I shan't gain an ounce, in fact I lost my 85 pounds having this at least 3 times a week :) Yummie!
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Oh I forgot one thing from that list of ingredients. Some of the tomato concentrate paste, which tends to be low in carbs, but high in tomato taste - squirted in while the meat and other ingredients are frying.
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The fact is EVERYTHING you have ever been told about diet is totally wrong .... like totally!

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an even more disturbing fact is that everything you have been told about food is wrong.

all food is poisonous. it is just a matter of which poisons are less dangerous to your body.
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Like any diet, people have to be educated to know the difference between good and bad fats. I can't tell you the number of people I know who have done the low carb thing and thought it meant living on a pound of bacon and a bun-less burger smothered in cheese and a T-bone steak daily.


Actually that sounds pretty good. Lots of good healthy saturated fats :)

I would go for rib-eye though - its fattier - and cover it in a nice Bearnaise or Peppercorn sauce made from Double Cream

Though low on the bacon unless I can get the nitrite free variety

Though my favourite by far is:

Lamb Mince
Shallots
Red Peppers
Mushrooms
Hot Cayenne Pepper
Paprika
Cumin
Tarragon
Coriander Leaf (Cilantro)
Salt & pepper

all nicely fried up in butter

then covered with grated cheese

sour cream all over the top

and sprinkled with sliced hot jalapeno peppers

And know that I shan't gain an ounce, in fact I lost my 85 pounds having this at least 3 times a week :) Yummie!
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Everthing you said is correct, but eating whole fruit in moderation is good also, and slow cooking stews and broths with bone-in-meat with various veggies and herbs in nourishing and healthy, sticking to fresh and whole and if possible organic is the best, the closer to it's natural state the better for you, good info thanks.
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The fact is EVERYTHING you have ever been told about diet is totally wrong .... like totally!



an even more disturbing fact is that everything you have been told about food is wrong.

all food is poisonous. it is just a matter of which poisons are less dangerous to your body.
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That is very true and it is very disturbing.

All you can do is take the path of least damage.

Avoiding metabolic syndrome is the path of least damage at the moment.

Metabolic Syndrome just weakens you in all ways and makes you even more susceptible to the effects of the other poisons.

Avoiding substances that they plug so hard which are even more full of poisons is the next step. Things like coffee, chocolate, green and black teas, all those processed goodies on the shelf and many more. Anything they tell you is good for you probably isn't. Hell, I avoid their damn 'superfoods' lol

At least make all your own meals from high quality ingredients and drink good clean water (or at least as clean as you can get it). We have a distiller.
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GIVE US DA RECIPES!

Nao. chuckle



Seriously, I would really love some recipes. I can get cream easily, and I drink raw, whole milk. I also make my own raw butter.

I don't really like macadamia nuts. But do you eat them raw or toasted?

My husband was recently diagnosed with diabetes. I can get him to eat some cleverly created low-sugar, high cream ice cream. I have also been giving him some food friend in butter.

Of course, my focus has been more on getting him extra calcium, so I can use any help with the increase in fat. He definitely doesn't eat enough of it, he's always going for the "low fat" stuff (tradition in his family, he's been overweight for a long time).

I do the majority of the cooking, so if I have recipes, it shouldn't be too hard to get it down him.

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Everthing you said is correct, but eating whole fruit in moderation is good also, and slow cooking stews and broths with bone-in-meat with various veggies and herbs in nourishing and healthy, sticking to fresh and whole and if possible organic is the best, the closer to it's natural state the better for you, good info thanks.
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Agree with you on that. I love broths, we make our own home made for sauces and things. Love chicken wings and they make fantastic broth, you can then cover the chicken wings after with cheese and have it in a nice dip :) Also love slow cooked lamb shanks, having the fantastic veggie broth with it. Very good and very yummie. Fresh and whole indeed!

On whole fruit, I am not so sure. I guess if you haven't abused your liver, as I have for 40+ years then it's probably OK in moderation. Unfortunately, most of my blood sugar problems were morning highs, which are indicative of a damaged liver that is not responding correctly to control signals. I figure that giving my liver a break from further fructose damage is a pretty good idea!!

Even then I think the low fructose fruits are best - I do use lemon and limes since they have negligible fructose. Others that I know friends can eat without problems are the low fructose berries such as blackberries, strawberries, loganberries, rasberries and gooseberries.

I think in moderation most healthy livers can cope with minimal fructose intake, pretty much as they can with small amounts of alcohol.

Unfortunately, by the time most people have reached the point where they are despairing with their weight gain they have probably done huge damage to their livers and giving them a break for a years is probably not a bad idea. We can pretty much get all the nutrients that are in fruit from other sources, without getting the fructose.
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That is very true and it is very disturbing.

All you can do is take the path of least damage.

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yes, that is what I was trying to say:

it gets worse. as you align yourself with a more spiritual life, the margin for error shrinks, you become more sensitive, and foods you once believed to be harmless begin making you sick. Food is really a vice... the problem is that it is just too deeply ingrained in people's subconscious; it is something that touches on a deep and personal level where an existential paradox lie, one that we are used to avoid facing at all costs.

If you persist long enough in your quest for health, the path of least damage begins to coincide with not eating at all. Some people call it 'breatharianism', 'inedia' , etc.

However this kind of spiritual stuff is only for a few. it doesn't work for the majority whose existence depends on a daily fix of poison. Every now and then I post some tidbits of info about breatharianism in this forum... Obviously, there are almost no replies, questions or comments, because as I said, it is a subject that touches on a deep personal level.

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