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I like to put up interesting articles that make people go hmmmm. Personally I have always believed that there has to be a very good reason why people who don't give a damn about us are so keen to get us to give up nicotine!

Well, here is an article to make you think a bit on this conundrum:

Nicotine inhibits the production of proinflammatory mediators in human monocytes by suppression of I-κB phosphorylation and nuclear factor-κB transcriptional activity through nicotinic acetylcholine receptor α7
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

The most interesting are the conclusions:

"In this study, we have demonstrated that pharmacological concentrations of nicotine cause the inhibition of proinflammatory mediator production, which might be a result of the inhibition of IKK activity, and subsequent suppression of I-κB phosphorylation in addition to suppression of the NF-κB DNA binding activity in human monocytes. This supports the therapeutic use of nicotine in some inflammatory diseases; the NF-κB activation pathway is one of the most critical molecular targets of nicotine therapy."

So basically what this is saying is that having encouraged large parts of the population to give up nicotine, we can now make a bundle of money from pharmacological nicotine therapy. Nice one!!

The other interesting thing to note is the reaffirmation that nicotine is a system anti-inflammatory. Now, it has been well established that systemic inflammation is at the root of many modern diseases such as cancers, diabetes, arthritis, etc.

This article provides the link with cancer:

Research finds new link between inflammation and cancer
[link to www.physorg.com]

Smoking cessation campaigns and health campaigns (around reducing fat, salt, eating more starchy foods,etc) have created an epidemic of inflammatory conditions and a huge surge in diseases such as cancer.

Incredible that gullible people still believe a single word that emerges out of a health establishment that is presiding over a health catastrophe of monstrous proportions.
 Quoting: Sc0rp10n

Thanks Scorpion, was so glad to see this thread pinned today. I was like, Oh good, my chance to give Scorpion good karma points! :-)

People are so obese today compared to when I was a kid in the sixties, there are many reasons but one that stands out in my mind is that back then EVERYBODY smoked. The less people smoke, the fatter they get, it's a direct result, it was for me lol. I smoked for years and was so thin I was embarrassed to be that thin, I quit smoking and gained 30 pounds. although, I did not try to prevent gaining the weight. and other things changed in my life at that time besides just quitting smoking.

Anyway I have always thought that smoking isn't as bad for you as they make it out to be, except that you should listen to your body and quit when it tells you to. Also the chemicals they put in the tobacco are worse than the tobacco.

I will never smoke again, 28 years was long enough, but I am pro-smoking and pro-smoker's rights for sure.

Thanks for your twist in the article above. I have also read that the reason we have all been brainwashed to quit smoking is because the aliens can't handle tobacco - that always makes me giggle, have you ever heard that? If they come to abduct you just blow smoke at them.
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Thanks Vision Thing, that's very sweet! The thread must have been pinned while I was on holiday - still trying to catch up on all the extra stuff and extra posts by people.

Yep, there are so many myths out there. I am almost at the point where I am inclined to do the opposite of whatever the "experts" tell us ... seems like a good strategy.

Loved the last line there on aliens - had me ROLF ing ;)

On the subject of smoking - my wife bought me a pipe for Xmas. I figure that most of the bad stuff in tobacco is in the paper, filters, etc and have really enjoyed the variety of tobacco's that I can smoke in a pipe. Yesterday I discovered something amazing.

There is some kind of pollen that gets released late August/early September that seriously irritates my nasal passages. Well, I discovered that smoking my pipe totally cleared out my nose, like within 10 minutes. It was incredible. Cigarettes didn't have the same effect, in fact they marginally increased the irritation. Repeated several times and found it works every time .... so very happy here :)

Nice to see you following this thread VT and your contributions. Best wishes to you and yours hugs
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Excellent post! Thanks for taking the time Sc0rp10n. hf
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Yes, Sc0rp10n, Thank you very much for this thread. I feel like your post was an answer to a prayer.

hf hf
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same here
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Pretty overwhelmed here reading all the comments I missed on holiday.

Thanks everyone :)
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A new video by Dr. Robert Lustig (Professor of Clinical Pediatrics, in the Division of Endocrinology Director of the Weight Assessment for Teen and Child Health Program at UCSF) well worth the hour and twenty minutes for anyone who still thinks that dietary fat is correlated with cardiovascular disease or obesity.

(P.S. Ignore his politics, focus instead on his biochemistry.)


[link to www.youtube.com]

Enjoy!!!hfhfhf

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A new video by Dr. Robert Lustig (Professor of Clinical Pediatrics, in the Division of Endocrinology Director of the Weight Assessment for Teen and Child Health Program at UCSF) well worth the hour and twenty minutes for anyone who still thinks that dietary fat is correlated with cardiovascular disease or obesity.

(P.S. Ignore his politics, focus instead on his biochemistry.)


[link to www.youtube.com]

Enjoy!!!hfhfhf
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Wow, incredible video ... nice one Emerald Eye, well worth the time spent watching this.
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A new video by Dr. Robert Lustig (Professor of Clinical Pediatrics, in the Division of Endocrinology Director of the Weight Assessment for Teen and Child Health Program at UCSF) well worth the hour and twenty minutes for anyone who still thinks that dietary fat is correlated with cardiovascular disease or obesity.

(P.S. Ignore his politics, focus instead on his biochemistry.)


[link to www.youtube.com]

Enjoy!!!hfhfhf
 Quoting: emerald eye


Wow, incredible video ... nice one Emerald Eye, well worth the time spent watching this.
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Thanks,

I think that he spends a little too much time at the end focusing on the politics of how to fix this, and has a little too much faith in the “integrity” of government, but his biochemistry lesson is amazing.

Even though he works through the biochemistry of obesity, heart disease, liver dysfunction, and diabetes all being related to various forms of sugar consumption, and not to fat consumption, he still slips at times with a “low fat”.

Old habits die hard, but the science of how sugar causes most of the common diseases of modern civilization is indisputable and for the most part suppressed largely due to the lobbying efforts of the multibillion-dollar food industry.

Hugs..grouphug
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Ubetido,

If you are around then you should go to 41 minutes on the video posted by Emerald Eye. This very nicely explains the correlation between LDL and triglycerides when it comes to cardiovascular disease.

Basically if you have LOW triglycerides then you have large LDL. When you have high triglycerides then you have lots of the very low density LDL which is the culprit in heart disease.

This is why triglycerides correlate with heart issues far better than your cholesterol count does.

So, in some people a high fat diet may cause LDL to rise, but if this coincides with a collapse in triglyceride counts (which it always does) then the rise in LDL is NOT dangerous since it it not the vLDL variety that is the bad actor in CVD.

Have a look, it's well worth it.

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A new video by Dr. Robert Lustig (Professor of Clinical Pediatrics, in the Division of Endocrinology Director of the Weight Assessment for Teen and Child Health Program at UCSF) well worth the hour and twenty minutes for anyone who still thinks that dietary fat is correlated with cardiovascular disease or obesity.

(P.S. Ignore his politics, focus instead on his biochemistry.)


[link to www.youtube.com]

Enjoy!!!hfhfhf
 Quoting: emerald eye


Wow, incredible video ... nice one Emerald Eye, well worth the time spent watching this.
 Quoting: Sc0rp10n


Thanks,

I think that he spends a little too much time at the end focusing on the politics of how to fix this, and has a little too much faith in the “integrity” of government, but his biochemistry lesson is amazing.

Even though he works through the biochemistry of obesity, heart disease, liver dysfunction, and diabetes all being related to various forms of sugar consumption, and not to fat consumption, he still slips at times with a “low fat”.

Old habits die hard, but the science of how sugar causes most of the common diseases of modern civilization is indisputable and for the most part suppressed largely due to the lobbying efforts of the multibillion-dollar food industry.

Hugs..grouphug
 Quoting: emerald eye


I found his analysis on High Fructose Corn Syrup compared to table sugar very interesting. I believe HFCS is a huge smokescreen to divert attention away from fructose being a culprit full stop.

So many people are fingering HFCS as the cause of the obesity epidemic that this substance is looking like the straw man 'fall guy'.

He points out that HFCS is 55% fructose to 45% glucose, while normal sugar is 50/50. Furthermore, 'healthy' fruit juices that are often excluded from the 'blame' for obesity are often 100% fructose.

The fact is fructose is as systemically damaging as alcohol, except only alcoholics would drink alcohol to anywhere near the quantities that fruit juices are consumed!

When the average fructose consumption is running at 80gm a day, as opposed to less than 15gm per day pre-WW1, that extra 5% in added HFCS as opposed to added sugar is neither here or there!
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I think I have already posted this study which showed that low-carb, high fat dieters shed 10 lbs in 45 days, while those eating a calorie restricted low fat diet took 70 days. But what is really useful is the table at the bottom that shows the amount of fructose found in various fruits:

[link to www.foodconsumer.org]

The only fruits I use on the list are lemons are limes, but I was fascinated to see how low cranberries were on the list, with one cup of cranberries almost equal to one lemon!

Can see a new low-carb, low fructose cranberry sauce recipe coming up for the turkey for this Christmas :)
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Yeah, I don't think it is great on the kidneys either. My wife is a RN, and one of her friends works in dialysis. A lady getting treatment there basically had here kidneys shut down from a low carb diet.
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This is classic misinformation! The problem with low carb diets is if the level of protein is too high - like The Dukan Diet which is essentially a high protein, low carb, low fat diet. This is actually worse for you than a low fat, high carb diet.

You have missed the point of the thread. This is a HIGH-FAT, adequate protein, very low carb diet. Some call it a ketogenic diet, but it doesn't necessarily have to be!

Low Carbohydrate High Fat Ketogenic Diet May Reverse Kidney Failure in People with Diabetes
[link to healthimpactnews.com]

Low-carb, high-fat diet could replace dialysis
[link to www.msnbc.msn.com]

The most common cause of kidney failure and the need for dialysis is DIABETES - a degenerative process called nephropathy, a consequence of glycation of cells in the kidneys. Diabetes is a direct consequence of eating too many carbs ... simple!

The amazing outcome of this study is not just that kidney destruction is halted .... it is REVERSED ... to the point where as the MSNBC article points out it could replace the need for dialysis!

AND IN JUST SIX WEEKS!


This diet is the most kidney protective way of eating.

But then as already demonstrated - it's also neuroprotective and cardioprotective as well! Not to mention it boosts the immune system, repairs the liver from fructose abuse and reduces risk of cancer.

The weight loss is merely an added bonus :)
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Amused how worried the establishment get about low carb diets, and not surprisingly so, since when combined with high fat they have the potential to end the Big Pharma diabetes, heart disease, stroke, cancer, etc gravy train. This article had me chuckling more than any recent ones:

Warning about the dangers of low-carb diets
[link to www.964eagle.co.uk]

It starts off with the standard line warning about the dangers of low carb diets, then says:

"But we're being told missing out on vital nutrients can be dangerous.

Milford mum Jo Lamb went on a very low-calorie diet - she says there were side effects: "You get headaches, you feel a bit fluey, people vary in how they feel.

"Another thing is because you're drinking so much water you get very cold so it is all a bit peculiar.

"I know some people have lost their hair.""


Hmmm so when did a very low calorie diet come into it? So it's now a low carb diet then? Except of course by virtue of the person starving themselves and eating about half as many carbs as they normally would!

I eat as many damn calories as I need until I stop feeling hungry! What nutrients exactly would I miss out on when I now eat about 1200 calories a day more than when I was gaining weight? lol

Yeah, cut your calories and your hair will fall out!!!
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Very long thread so forgive me if this topic has already been brought up...... What if you have problems with cardiovascular disease, and you must avoid foods that are high in fat and cholesterol?
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dietary fat and cholesterol are not the problem, it is wheat/soy/canola which are causing our epidemic of metabolic syndrome, diabetes, cardiovascular disease, and more.

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

"During 5-23 y of follow-up of 347,747 subjects, 11,006 developed CHD or stroke. Intake of saturated fat was not associated with an increased risk of CHD, stroke, or CVD"
 Quoting: ishmael


Not only are saturated fats not a problem i.e. they are not associated with heart disease, an increasing number of studies are starting to show that REDUCING saturated fat intake actually INCREASES your chance of CVD (and even more for strokes). Here is one example:

Saturated Fat REDUCES risk of stroke and heart disease
[link to perfecthealthdiet.com]

"This study followed 58,453 Japanese adults, aged 40 to 79 at the start of the study, for 14.1 years. [1] The study found that higher saturated fat intake was associated with:

A 31% reduction in mortality from stroke
An 18% reduction in mortality from cardiovascular disease"

Eventually the truth will come out and people will realise the terrible crime against humanity that has been committed during the last 30-40 years.

Last Edited by Sc0rp10n on 09/06/2011 06:01 PM
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Very long thread so forgive me if this topic has already been brought up...... What if you have problems with cardiovascular disease, and you must avoid foods that are high in fat and cholesterol?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 763829


dietary fat and cholesterol are not the problem, it is wheat/soy/canola which are causing our epidemic of metabolic syndrome, diabetes, cardiovascular disease, and more.

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

"During 5-23 y of follow-up of 347,747 subjects, 11,006 developed CHD or stroke. Intake of saturated fat was not associated with an increased risk of CHD, stroke, or CVD"
 Quoting: ishmael


Not only are saturated fats not a problem i.e. they are not associated with heart disease, an increasing number of studies are starting to show that REDUCING saturated fat intake actually INCREASES your chance of CVD (and even more for strokes). Here is one example:

Saturated Fat REDUCES risk of stroke and heart disease
[link to perfecthealthdiet.com]

"This study followed 58,453 Japanese adults, aged 40 to 79 at the start of the study, for 14.1 years. [1] The study found that higher saturated fat intake was associated with:

A 31% reduction in mortality from stroke
An 18% reduction in mortality from cardiovascular disease"

Eventually the truth will come out and people will realise the terrible crime against humanity that has been committed during the last 30-40 years.
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And this is for those of you who really want to convince yourself that this is REALLY the case. Here are the associated research papers, the first from the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, the second from PubMed:

Dietary intake of saturated fatty acids and mortality from cardiovascular disease in Japanese: the Japan Collaborative Cohort Study for Evaluation of Cancer Risk Study?
[link to www.ajcn.org]

Meta-analysis of prospective cohort studies evaluating the association of saturated fat with cardiovascular disease.
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

And just to really bring the point home, here is the conclussion of the meta analysis:

"A meta-analysis of prospective epidemiologic studies showed that there is no significant evidence for concluding that dietary saturated fat is associated with an increased risk of CHD or CVD. More data are needed to elucidate whether CVD risks are likely to be influenced by the specific nutrients used to replace saturated fat."

Yes, read it and wonder at the HUGE LIE that you have been subjected to for the last 40 years!

And the second part of it is more telling about requiring more data to elucidate whether CVD risks are influenced by the nutrients used to replace saturated fat!

Those 2 nutrients are usually carbohydrates or polyunsaturated fats and these are driving the CVD and CHD epidemics in the world!

It is wrong to call it just a BIG LIE, this is institutionalised MASS MURDER!
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I like to put up interesting articles that make people go hmmmm. Personally I have always believed that there has to be a very good reason why people who don't give a damn about us are so keen to get us to give up nicotine!

Well, here is an article to make you think a bit on this conundrum:

Nicotine inhibits the production of proinflammatory mediators in human monocytes by suppression of I-κB phosphorylation and nuclear factor-κB transcriptional activity through nicotinic acetylcholine receptor α7
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

The most interesting are the conclusions:

"In this study, we have demonstrated that pharmacological concentrations of nicotine cause the inhibition of proinflammatory mediator production, which might be a result of the inhibition of IKK activity, and subsequent suppression of I-κB phosphorylation in addition to suppression of the NF-κB DNA binding activity in human monocytes. This supports the therapeutic use of nicotine in some inflammatory diseases; the NF-κB activation pathway is one of the most critical molecular targets of nicotine therapy."

So basically what this is saying is that having encouraged large parts of the population to give up nicotine, we can now make a bundle of money from pharmacological nicotine therapy. Nice one!!

The other interesting thing to note is the reaffirmation that nicotine is a system anti-inflammatory. Now, it has been well established that systemic inflammation is at the root of many modern diseases such as cancers, diabetes, arthritis, etc.

This article provides the link with cancer:

Research finds new link between inflammation and cancer
[link to www.physorg.com]

Smoking cessation campaigns and health campaigns (around reducing fat, salt, eating more starchy foods,etc) have created an epidemic of inflammatory conditions and a huge surge in diseases such as cancer.

Incredible that gullible people still believe a single word that emerges out of a health establishment that is presiding over a health catastrophe of monstrous proportions.
 Quoting: Sc0rp10n

Thanks Scorpion, was so glad to see this thread pinned today. I was like, Oh good, my chance to give Scorpion good karma points! :-)

People are so obese today compared to when I was a kid in the sixties, there are many reasons but one that stands out in my mind is that back then EVERYBODY smoked. The less people smoke, the fatter they get, it's a direct result, it was for me lol. I smoked for years and was so thin I was embarrassed to be that thin, I quit smoking and gained 30 pounds. although, I did not try to prevent gaining the weight. and other things changed in my life at that time besides just quitting smoking.

Anyway I have always thought that smoking isn't as bad for you as they make it out to be, except that you should listen to your body and quit when it tells you to. Also the chemicals they put in the tobacco are worse than the tobacco.

I will never smoke again, 28 years was long enough, but I am pro-smoking and pro-smoker's rights for sure.

Thanks for your twist in the article above. I have also read that the reason we have all been brainwashed to quit smoking is because the aliens can't handle tobacco - that always makes me giggle, have you ever heard that? If they come to abduct you just blow smoke at them.
 Quoting: Vision Thing


Thanks Vision Thing, that's very sweet! The thread must have been pinned while I was on holiday - still trying to catch up on all the extra stuff and extra posts by people.

Yep, there are so many myths out there. I am almost at the point where I am inclined to do the opposite of whatever the "experts" tell us ... seems like a good strategy.

Loved the last line there on aliens - had me ROLF ing ;)

On the subject of smoking - my wife bought me a pipe for Xmas. I figure that most of the bad stuff in tobacco is in the paper, filters, etc and have really enjoyed the variety of tobacco's that I can smoke in a pipe. Yesterday I discovered something amazing.

There is some kind of pollen that gets released late August/early September that seriously irritates my nasal passages. Well, I discovered that smoking my pipe totally cleared out my nose, like within 10 minutes. It was incredible. Cigarettes didn't have the same effect, in fact they marginally increased the irritation. Repeated several times and found it works every time .... so very happy here :)

Nice to see you following this thread VT and your contributions. Best wishes to you and yours hugs
 Quoting: Sc0rp10n


I wouldn't want to smoke again primarily because it would make me a societal reject. After I quit I came down with Rheumatoid Arthritis. Now I take, you guessed it, sulfur pills to calm my immune system. If we have major doom and I can't get my meds, I'll have to remember that maybe I could get some cigs in barter to battle my problem.

The ONLY way I can lose weight and keep it off is by low carb. I have to reduce my calories by an unsafe amount to lose weight and it just messes with my metabolism. I can over eat and maintain my weight on low carb or eat sensably and still eat until full and lose on low carb. I get my sweet tooth taken care of with splenda as needed. I also eat a lot of sugar free pudding and cool whip. I try to stay away from aspertame as much as possible, though.
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I like to put up interesting articles that make people go hmmmm. Personally I have always believed that there has to be a very good reason why people who don't give a damn about us are so keen to get us to give up nicotine!

Well, here is an article to make you think a bit on this conundrum:

Nicotine inhibits the production of proinflammatory mediators in human monocytes by suppression of I-κB phosphorylation and nuclear factor-κB transcriptional activity through nicotinic acetylcholine receptor α7
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

The most interesting are the conclusions:

"In this study, we have demonstrated that pharmacological concentrations of nicotine cause the inhibition of proinflammatory mediator production, which might be a result of the inhibition of IKK activity, and subsequent suppression of I-κB phosphorylation in addition to suppression of the NF-κB DNA binding activity in human monocytes. This supports the therapeutic use of nicotine in some inflammatory diseases; the NF-κB activation pathway is one of the most critical molecular targets of nicotine therapy."

So basically what this is saying is that having encouraged large parts of the population to give up nicotine, we can now make a bundle of money from pharmacological nicotine therapy. Nice one!!

The other interesting thing to note is the reaffirmation that nicotine is a system anti-inflammatory. Now, it has been well established that systemic inflammation is at the root of many modern diseases such as cancers, diabetes, arthritis, etc.

This article provides the link with cancer:

Research finds new link between inflammation and cancer
[link to www.physorg.com]

Smoking cessation campaigns and health campaigns (around reducing fat, salt, eating more starchy foods,etc) have created an epidemic of inflammatory conditions and a huge surge in diseases such as cancer.

Incredible that gullible people still believe a single word that emerges out of a health establishment that is presiding over a health catastrophe of monstrous proportions.
 Quoting: Sc0rp10n

Thanks Scorpion, was so glad to see this thread pinned today. I was like, Oh good, my chance to give Scorpion good karma points! :-)

People are so obese today compared to when I was a kid in the sixties, there are many reasons but one that stands out in my mind is that back then EVERYBODY smoked. The less people smoke, the fatter they get, it's a direct result, it was for me lol. I smoked for years and was so thin I was embarrassed to be that thin, I quit smoking and gained 30 pounds. although, I did not try to prevent gaining the weight. and other things changed in my life at that time besides just quitting smoking.

Anyway I have always thought that smoking isn't as bad for you as they make it out to be, except that you should listen to your body and quit when it tells you to. Also the chemicals they put in the tobacco are worse than the tobacco.

I will never smoke again, 28 years was long enough, but I am pro-smoking and pro-smoker's rights for sure.

Thanks for your twist in the article above. I have also read that the reason we have all been brainwashed to quit smoking is because the aliens can't handle tobacco - that always makes me giggle, have you ever heard that? If they come to abduct you just blow smoke at them.
 Quoting: Vision Thing


Thanks Vision Thing, that's very sweet! The thread must have been pinned while I was on holiday - still trying to catch up on all the extra stuff and extra posts by people.

Yep, there are so many myths out there. I am almost at the point where I am inclined to do the opposite of whatever the "experts" tell us ... seems like a good strategy.

Loved the last line there on aliens - had me ROLF ing ;)

On the subject of smoking - my wife bought me a pipe for Xmas. I figure that most of the bad stuff in tobacco is in the paper, filters, etc and have really enjoyed the variety of tobacco's that I can smoke in a pipe. Yesterday I discovered something amazing.

There is some kind of pollen that gets released late August/early September that seriously irritates my nasal passages. Well, I discovered that smoking my pipe totally cleared out my nose, like within 10 minutes. It was incredible. Cigarettes didn't have the same effect, in fact they marginally increased the irritation. Repeated several times and found it works every time .... so very happy here :)

Nice to see you following this thread VT and your contributions. Best wishes to you and yours hugs
 Quoting: Sc0rp10n


I wouldn't want to smoke again primarily because it would make me a societal reject. After I quit I came down with Rheumatoid Arthritis. Now I take, you guessed it, sulfur pills to calm my immune system. If we have major doom and I can't get my meds, I'll have to remember that maybe I could get some cigs in barter to battle my problem.

The ONLY way I can lose weight and keep it off is by low carb. I have to reduce my calories by an unsafe amount to lose weight and it just messes with my metabolism. I can over eat and maintain my weight on low carb or eat sensably and still eat until full and lose on low carb. I get my sweet tooth taken care of with splenda as needed. I also eat a lot of sugar free pudding and cool whip. I try to stay away from aspertame as much as possible, though.
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Thanks for your input and for sharing your experiences. I think you will find that after a year or two of eating this way the arthritis symptoms will start to ease because the ketogenic diet is essentially anti-inflammatory. They did with me. Resistance exercise also seems to help ... when I do weights any aches and pains I had before just melt away as the wonderful endorphins are released :)

I can understand your comments about smoking and being a societal reject. It is pretty awful the way they have played that one! I now see it as more of a rebellious expression .... it's one of the few ways left of protesting about the presumption that Governments 'own and control' our bodies. For me it has become a visible statement of the assertion of my independence! It is my decision to do it and the harder they make it, the more powerful as a protest it becomes!

I know what you mean about the unsafe calories needed to lose weight on a conventional diet. I struggled with that for nearly 20 years and reached the point that I could only eat about 600 calories and still lose a little weight.

Now, if I indulge (usually alcohol and lots of big back to back high protein meals - business or holidays), I can pare back my protein intake, increase my fat intake, for a few days and the weight just melts away! It is quite liberating.

Well done on finding a way that works for you and that placates your sweet tooth at the same time!
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One of the comments that makes me chuckle most is when someone rolls out the old-adage - "You know that cigarette is going to take 5 minutes off your life"

I now have the perfect riposte -

"Oh yeah of course I know, obviously, it takes me 5 minutes to smoke it"

Their face is a picture every time :)
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Very long thread so forgive me if this topic has already been brought up...... What if you have problems with cardiovascular disease, and you must avoid foods that are high in fat and cholesterol?
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dietary fat and cholesterol are not the problem, it is wheat/soy/canola which are causing our epidemic of metabolic syndrome, diabetes, cardiovascular disease, and more.

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

"During 5-23 y of follow-up of 347,747 subjects, 11,006 developed CHD or stroke. Intake of saturated fat was not associated with an increased risk of CHD, stroke, or CVD"
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Not only are saturated fats not a problem i.e. they are not associated with heart disease, an increasing number of studies are starting to show that REDUCING saturated fat intake actually INCREASES your chance of CVD (and even more for strokes). Here is one example:

Saturated Fat REDUCES risk of stroke and heart disease
[link to perfecthealthdiet.com]

"This study followed 58,453 Japanese adults, aged 40 to 79 at the start of the study, for 14.1 years. [1] The study found that higher saturated fat intake was associated with:

A 31% reduction in mortality from stroke
An 18% reduction in mortality from cardiovascular disease"

Eventually the truth will come out and people will realise the terrible crime against humanity that has been committed during the last 30-40 years.
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And this is for those of you who really want to convince yourself that this is REALLY the case. Here are the associated research papers, the first from the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, the second from PubMed:

Dietary intake of saturated fatty acids and mortality from cardiovascular disease in Japanese: the Japan Collaborative Cohort Study for Evaluation of Cancer Risk Study?
[link to www.ajcn.org]

Meta-analysis of prospective cohort studies evaluating the association of saturated fat with cardiovascular disease.
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

And just to really bring the point home, here is the conclussion of the meta analysis:

"A meta-analysis of prospective epidemiologic studies showed that there is no significant evidence for concluding that dietary saturated fat is associated with an increased risk of CHD or CVD. More data are needed to elucidate whether CVD risks are likely to be influenced by the specific nutrients used to replace saturated fat."

Yes, read it and wonder at the HUGE LIE that you have been subjected to for the last 40 years!

And the second part of it is more telling about requiring more data to elucidate whether CVD risks are influenced by the nutrients used to replace saturated fat!

Those 2 nutrients are usually carbohydrates or polyunsaturated fats and these are driving the CVD and CHD epidemics in the world!

It is wrong to call it just a BIG LIE, this is institutionalised MASS MURDER!
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More evidence against the fat/saturated fat causes CHD/CVD.

The questionable role of saturated and polyunsaturated fatty acids in cardiovascular disease.
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

"The harmful effect of dietary SFA and the protective effect of dietary PUFA on atherosclerosis and CVD are questioned."

Low-fat dietary pattern and risk of cardiovascular disease: the Women's Health Initiative Randomized Controlled Dietary Modification Trial.
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

"Over a mean of 8.1 years, a dietary intervention that reduced total fat intake and increased intakes of vegetables, fruits, and grains did not significantly reduce the risk of CHD, stroke, or CVD in postmenopausal women."

Dietary intake and the risk of coronary heart disease among the coconut-consuming Minangkabau in West Sumatra, Indonesia.
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

"Similar intakes of saturated and unsaturated fatty acids between the cases and controls indicated that the consumption of total fat or saturated fat, including that from coconut, was not a predictor for CHD in this food culture."

No comments beyond what is in the conclusions of these studies is really required here.
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Hi, I had been low carbing for well over a year. Yes, I felt much better, and I do have a regular 6 day a week exercise program, but about ayear ago I also entered into menopause. So after all that time, I could only shift about 6 kilos. Truth be told, the one thing they don't tell you out right, is that when you are in menopause, it is quite nearly impossible to drop weight. Why? Because you are actually fighting nature. Your body is TRYING to put on fat in order to replace the hormone estrogene which it produces in the fat cells to make up for the drop in production by the overies and uterus. Quite frankly, there needs to be some more research done about the poor weight loss even with maximum effort during menopause. Its back to starvation dieting and that is even harder during meno because one of the classic symptoms is increased appetite. No diet seems to work at this time.
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Honestly, these people are just downright nuts or think that everybody else is!!

Healthier living could cut 2.8 million cancer cases
[link to news.yahoo.com]

"Focus is on curbing smoking, improving diets, reducing alcohol use"

isn't it always - been there done that for the last 40-50 years and what has been the result? (the article conveniently gives you and answer)

"The number of global cancers has increased by a fifth in less than a decade to around 12 million new cases a year, and along with other chronic diseases like heart and lung disease and diabetes are the world's biggest health challenges, the Fund said."

Hmmmm - I thought the numbers of smokers was plunging, consumption of saturated fats, salt, sugars, etc is plunging .... yet it all just gets worse!

Definition of Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
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Hi, I had been low carbing for well over a year. Yes, I felt much better, and I do have a regular 6 day a week exercise program, but about ayear ago I also entered into menopause. So after all that time, I could only shift about 6 kilos. Truth be told, the one thing they don't tell you out right, is that when you are in menopause, it is quite nearly impossible to drop weight. Why? Because you are actually fighting nature. Your body is TRYING to put on fat in order to replace the hormone estrogene which it produces in the fat cells to make up for the drop in production by the overies and uterus. Quite frankly, there needs to be some more research done about the poor weight loss even with maximum effort during menopause. Its back to starvation dieting and that is even harder during meno because one of the classic symptoms is increased appetite. No diet seems to work at this time.
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Sorry to hear about your problems with weight loss. Fighting nature is pretty tough. Have you tried sticking to low carb, eating normally for about 8 weeks and then doing a 5 day fat fast to knock the weight back a little and alternating this routine of normal/fat fast shock ... etc? Worth a try if you haven't tried it.

Also, another reason that can cause weight loss problems is candida overgrowth. That tends to coincide with about the same point in life. If you ever suffer from thrush for instance this can indicate candida overgrowth. Both my wife and I did an anti-candida form of the diet during the early stages of our weight loss when we were both struggling with our first stalls. My biggest weight loss came on the back of doing this.

Essentially, the anti-candida diet consists of pretty much sticking to meat, fish, eggs and cabbage. Restricting dairy because of the lactose content - mainly just butter but not the cheeses since these can aid funguses. We combined this with using some of the acidophilus "good bacteria" tablets that you get from the refrigerated section of the health store. This introduce good bacteria that are reduced by repeated anti-biotic courses over the years and restore the bacteria/fungus balance in the system.

Atkins identified candida overgrowth as the number 1 contributor to weight stalls on any diet.

Also the most common mistake on a low carb diet is eating too much protein. In most people any protein over 80g a day is converted by the liver to glucose, thus triggering the whole glucose metabolism all over again and stopping the fat loss process. Most people gravitate to protein (lean proteins in particular) since years of low fat conditioning has made them scared of the dreaded fat. Don't be scared of it! Fat is your weight loss friend. It is the one thing we can eat in large quantities. I actually call protein the lowest GI-carb of all. Takes about 3-4 hours for excess protein to become glucose in the system, making it really just a slow release carb.

Hope this helps and good luck. Do keep us up to date with your progress.
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Thanks for your reply.
I shall see what I can do.

Are you also skOrpiOn?
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Thanks for your reply.
I shall see what I can do.

Are you also skOrpiOn?
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No I'm not
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I'm back hi still struggling with beer, but on the days in between doing good on fat food. When I'm back on it with a fat fast, it feels great, excess fat drops really fast and muscles tone... gotta get off the alcohol though...

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I'm back hi still struggling with beer, but on the days in between doing good on fat food. When I'm back on it with a fat fast, it feels great, excess fat drops really fast and muscles tone... gotta get off the alcohol though...
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Hey R - great to see you back!!

Alcohol is a bummer! Did you read my holiday story? lol

Well, at least I have found whisky doesn't put it on, as long as I stick to 2 shots or less :(
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OMG - I have now heard it all when it comes to treating symptoms rather than cause!!

Gene find could lead to drug for chronic pain

[link to www.bbc.co.uk]

"Neuropathic pain occurs when nerves are damaged, causing ongoing pain. This type of chronic pain, which is often lifelong, is surprisingly common and is poorly treated by current drugs, the study says.

It is often seen in patients with diabetes and shingles, and in the aftermath of cancer chemotherapy. It is also common in lower back pain and other chronic painful conditions."


And it continues later:

""What is exciting about the work on the HCN2 gene is that removing it - or blocking it pharmacologically - eliminates neuropathic pain without affecting normal acute pain. This finding could be very valuable clinically because normal pain sensation is essential for avoiding accidental damage."

Dr Brian Hammond, chairman of charity BackCare, said the findings of the study were good news.

"Any effective treatment which relieves the suffering of chronic pain is to be welcomed. Treatment which helps reduce pain but still leaves the body's warning mechanisms intact is a major breakthrough.""



Hey guys, never mind that ALL pain is a warning that something is seriously askew, not just acute pain, and you should do something about it! In fact pain that NEVER ends is designed to flash a persistant RED WARNING that something continues to be wrong.

Bet hey, if we turn it off now you can degenerate your body painlessly and not worry about it! Keep eating those sugars and starches ....

There you go people, you don't need to change anything, if it ain't painful it shan't kill ya! Will it?

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I found this today while researching for an upcoming talk that I am giving in my community. This was produced by Dr. Donald Miller is a cardiac surgeon and Professor of Surgery at the University of Washington School of Medicine in Seattle. He is a member of Doctors for Disaster Preparedness and writes articles on a variety of subjects for LewRockwell.com. His web site is www.donaldmiller.com

This is just stellar information. The real medical community is beginning to waken. The people who question and don't just accept what government and big pharmacy spews are beginning to speak out more often and with greater clarity.


"Enjoy Saturated Fats, They’re Good for You!"


"This article is taken from a talk I gave at the 29th Annual Meeting of the Doctors for Disaster Preparedness in Albuquerque last week, on the controversial subject of saturated fats. Some of the slides that I used for this talk are put in here.

The medical establishment and government health authorities say that consumption of saturated animal fats is bad for us and causes heart disease. According to the lipid hypothesis – the label used for the diet-cholesterol theory of heart disease – saturated fats raise serum cholesterol levels, and high blood cholesterol causes obstructive plaques to form in arteries, called atherosclerosis. This pathologic process causes coronary heart disease and the need for coronary artery bypass surgery, which is what I do."


Atherosclerosis is an inflammatory process brought on by eating too many carbohydrates and omega-6 vegetable oils. Stress plays a role and possibly also bacterial infection.
A deficiency of various vitamins shown here may also play a role in causing atherosclerotic heart disease, as may an excess or deficiency of various minerals.
Over the past century, butter consumption has plummeted from 18 grams per person per day to 5 grams. Consumption of lard has dropped substantially while use of shortening has almost tripled. In 1909, shortening was a natural product made with coconut oil and lard. Shortening used today is made out of partially hydrogenated vegetable oil.

"Consumption of margarine made with trans fats has gone up five fold, and vegetable oils, more than fifteen-fold. Along with trans fats, these often rancid vegetable oils are new to the human diet."

"A good case can be made that these changes in fat-and-oil consumption over the last hundred years are the major cause of the epidemic of obesity, diabetes, heart disease, stroke, cancer, and learning disabilities in children. Observing the increasing use of vegetable oils during the 1940s and 1950s, a few physicians, notably Dr. Weston A. Price and Dr. Francis Pottenger, predicted that there would be increasing rates of such diseases."

(GLP cut and paste rules respected)

[link to healthimpactnews.com]

Enjoy this life saving information.hf

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I found this today while researching for an upcoming talk that I am giving in my community. This was produced by Dr. Donald Miller is a cardiac surgeon and Professor of Surgery at the University of Washington School of Medicine in Seattle. He is a member of Doctors for Disaster Preparedness and writes articles on a variety of subjects for LewRockwell.com. His web site is www.donaldmiller.com

This is just stellar information. The real medical community is beginning to waken. The people who question and don't just accept what government and big pharmacy spews are beginning to speak out more often and with greater clarity.


"Enjoy Saturated Fats, They’re Good for You!"


"This article is taken from a talk I gave at the 29th Annual Meeting of the Doctors for Disaster Preparedness in Albuquerque last week, on the controversial subject of saturated fats. Some of the slides that I used for this talk are put in here.

The medical establishment and government health authorities say that consumption of saturated animal fats is bad for us and causes heart disease. According to the lipid hypothesis – the label used for the diet-cholesterol theory of heart disease – saturated fats raise serum cholesterol levels, and high blood cholesterol causes obstructive plaques to form in arteries, called atherosclerosis. This pathologic process causes coronary heart disease and the need for coronary artery bypass surgery, which is what I do."


Atherosclerosis is an inflammatory process brought on by eating too many carbohydrates and omega-6 vegetable oils. Stress plays a role and possibly also bacterial infection.
A deficiency of various vitamins shown here may also play a role in causing atherosclerotic heart disease, as may an excess or deficiency of various minerals.
Over the past century, butter consumption has plummeted from 18 grams per person per day to 5 grams. Consumption of lard has dropped substantially while use of shortening has almost tripled. In 1909, shortening was a natural product made with coconut oil and lard. Shortening used today is made out of partially hydrogenated vegetable oil.

"Consumption of margarine made with trans fats has gone up five fold, and vegetable oils, more than fifteen-fold. Along with trans fats, these often rancid vegetable oils are new to the human diet."

"A good case can be made that these changes in fat-and-oil consumption over the last hundred years are the major cause of the epidemic of obesity, diabetes, heart disease, stroke, cancer, and learning disabilities in children. Observing the increasing use of vegetable oils during the 1940s and 1950s, a few physicians, notably Dr. Weston A. Price and Dr. Francis Pottenger, predicted that there would be increasing rates of such diseases."

(GLP cut and paste rules respected)

[link to healthimpactnews.com]

Enjoy this life saving information.hf
 Quoting: emerald eye


Great post Emerald Eye :)
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This little story is doing the rounds again:

B-vitamins may slow onset of Alzheimer's, study finds
[link to www.alzheimers.org.uk]

And the best source of B vitamins is?

Meat and Poultry - and these are certainly the only products that contain these in 'pharmacological' doses. Take folic acid for example, one of the best vegetable sources is chick peas that contains 180mcg per 115g. You would still need to eat over 500g of chick peas to get the same amount you would from just 100g of chicken livers. You would need to eat over 1kg of most breakfast cereals for the same dose!

People have reduced their meat consumption - Alzheimer's cases are rocketing. Maybe there is a connection? Not that it will ever be studied since all the emphasis is on 'vegetarianising' the population!

But it's allright! We fortify those carbs for you hehehe

Added or natural vitamins anyone?
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I am a great fan of Dr. Donald Miller. I will have to check that one out.

Thanks EE.
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bump for any newcomers.. I started following this way of eating December 1, 2010.. It's now almost been a year later and I've managed to keep off the 55lbs I lost. I promise if you follow this seriously it will make a permanent difference for your health.

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