If you want to be thin and stay thin (and avoid Metabolic Syndrome), then you have to eat high fat

Will this way of eating work on everybody.

true EE, however, the asians ferment the soy and make tofu, which removes the detrimental aspects of the soy.

however, the americans have embraced soy (and soy fillers) and its causing a lot of health problems.

So far the only people I have found who struggle with it are those who have had their gall bladder removed and this seems to impair the fat metabolism. It is also much more difficult for some people than others to lose weights. Depends on how much damage has already been done, though I think someone who perserveres with this will start to repair any such damage and still see results even if much more slowly (in terms of weight).

I always eat real butter on my toast
Red meats reguarly
Fatty fish such as salmon
But on the other hand I also eat lots of fruit and grains
I drink two liter of water each day
(often in the form of fresh lemonjuice with water or green tea)
Take my bicycle to work instead of the bus or car
And i love cheese ,I'm addicted to cheese

... I'm a thin person

Excellent advise.

Are you a man though?

Hi all

Marksdailyapple which is a paleo website indicates that we need around 60-100g of carbs vegetables etc to lose weight.

If not losing weight eat more vegetables


Scorpion says we need 20g or less based on his research.

If not losing weight decrease protein and increas fat.


Certainly varied opinions around.

Regards
ubetido

Sorry I came in late, but just a quick question.

Do you HAVE to eat that many calories a day to lose?

Could you eat less and still lose the weight, or does the ratio demand it be that high to work?

It varies from person to person. Calories do count to a degree but there is a 'calorie bonus' of about 400-1000 calories that you can eat above what they recommend these days.

I wouldn't recommend going below 1,500 calories unless you are in a stall and doing the fat fast and then for no more than 5-6 days. Cutting back on calories can push your body into energy conservation and reduce your metabolic rate, thus making it harder to lose weight.

For most people who need to lose a lot of weight - like 50-100 pounds counting calories is totally counter-productive on this way of eating since this diet takes away hunger and the body naturally starts sending out 'full signals' in the absence of carbs. It's one of the most common comments that people never feel hungry when eating this way, you actually have to make yourself eat.

It's only when you get to about 15-20 pounds from target that calories can become important and then again only for some people. Some people can drop to normal weight with no calorie control needed at all.

I hope that helps.

Thanks for responding, I'm probably making this more complicated than it needs to be but here goes anyway.

Ok, I weigh 217 pounds right now, I want to get down to my ideal weight at around 170-175.

I started out today eating three eggs fried in butter, and had a little over an ounce of cheese maybe an hour later, filled me up very nicely) I was going to make up a can of tuna with mayonnaise and green olives a little while ago, but if I do that I will be approaching 70 grams of protein before dinner even gets here.

To lose it as fast as possible, could you give me calories, protein and fat requirements that I need?

I have pretty much cut out all carbs, and fast walk about 2 miles every day, along with a small workout for muscle toning (situps, pushups, leg lifts, etc)

Thanks for this info, my wife is going on this program too.

I guess what I'm saying is that I am finding it difficult to get to that amount of calories that you suggest without going over on the protein.

I have had around 450 calories with the foods I have mentioned earlier and I still feel quite full and not hungry.

The total protein I have taken today to go with those calories was around 32 grams.

Use oil, lots and lots of oil. I think olive oil for 1 tablespoon is 14g Fat, 0g Carbs, 0g Protein.

Isn't that just for extra energy though?

Do you actually need it to make this program work?

What about vegetable oil?

You need to keep the ratio's in check. For me being 6' and ideal weight of 180 I'm eating 240g Fat, 80g Protein and 20g Carbs. I've lost about 20lbs in one month and 10lbs the following month.

Avoid

Try using nut oils instead.

Is it the polyunsaturated fats in veggie oil that are bad?

I think I remember Scorpion saying that saturated and monounsaturated are the best right?

If you don't mind me asking, what is the problem with polyunsaturated fats? Why avoid?

When was the last time you ate an oily vegetable? Vegetable oil needs heat and sometimes chemicals to be extracted. Also the ratio of Omega 3 to Omega 6 is too high and the vegetable oil will actually be inflammatory.

Cool, thanks. I'm getting the hang of this now.

I am understanding now that I am basically going to have to drink like 4 oz. of olive oil per day to even get close to the amount of fat that I need.

Something else I realized in his original post was that he mentioned fats and calories don't really matter as long as you're watching the proteins and carbs. Yet I need to get above 1500 calories so that I don't go into starvation mode.

Is the fat purely for needed energy then?

The goal of this kind of eating is to get your body off of using carbohydrates for fuel to going back to how we used to fuel our bodies, and that is by fat. That's what ketosis is, is the breaking down of body fat to be used as fuel.

Scorpion, or anybody really...could you maybe give me an example of what your menu looks like on any given day?

I am similar to your present weight and ideal weight and was just curious as to how you pack that many calories and fat grams away per day.

Hi, I am 5'7", female, need to lose 40 pounds, goal of 150.

B:
2 cups decaf, 3 tsp cream each
3 eggs cooked in 10 gr butter, and 1 tb cream

L:
3 cups iceberge lettuse with 2 Tb mayo type dressing I make
And 100 gr tuna and parsely with 1 Tb mayo mixed

D:
200 gr lean burger, 2 Tb mayo, 200 gr cuccumbers

Around 1590 calories, 75 protein, 10 carbs, 130 fat.
Yeah, I should do more fat but, I am losing about half a pound to a pound a day now into my 3rd week.

Steady as she goes, matey!

Can cod liver oil be counted towards daily fat intake? (I take 1-2 tablespoons per day during winter)

Yes, especially for the Vit D.

Good fats

Saturated: Animal fats from meat, milk, butter, eggs, cheese, lard(pork fat), tallow(beef and lamb fat).

Tropical Oils: Coconut and Palm oil.

Monounsaturated: Olive oil.

Polyunsaturated: Fish oil.



Bad fats. Do not eat!

Polyunsaturated: Vegetable oils( corn, soy, peanut, sunflower, canola, cottonseed, safflower.)

Trans fats: Margarine, Crisco, used in bakery products, snack chips, imitation cheese and other processed foods.

Read this for full discussion of fats: [link to www.lewrockwell.com]


Go here for U.S.(english) website for Optimal Diet. Huge amounts of info and links; plus a 7 day menu with recipes:
[link to homodiet.netfirms.com]

I highly recommend the "cheese pancakes".

The cheese pancakes are made from a pound of cheese, a dozen eggs, a bit of flour and baking powder, fried in 1" of lard.

2-3 of these pancakes will keep your motor running for a solid 7-8 hours. I top mine with cream cheese and a teaspoon of marmalade.

I purchase coconut oil and palm oil from these guys:

[link to www.wildernessfamilynaturals.com]