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If you want to be thin and stay thin (and avoid Metabolic Syndrome), then you have to eat high fat

 
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Oh, and another great study about the longer term effects of ketogenic diets that should make you all feel good:

Long-term effects of a ketogenic diet in obese patients
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

The weight and body mass index of the patients decreased significantly (P<0.0001). The level of total cholesterol decreased from week 1 to week 24. HDL cholesterol levels significantly increased, whereas LDL cholesterol levels significantly decreased after treatment. The level of triglycerides decreased significantly following 24 weeks of treatment. The level of blood glucose significantly decreased. The changes in the level of urea and creatinine were not statistically significant.

Sounds like the same story that everyone here tells :)

I especially liked this this bit though:

It is generally believed that high fat diets may lead to the development of obesity and several other diseases such as coronary artery disease, diabetes and cancer. This view, however, is based on studies carried out in animals that were given a high fat diet rich in polyunsaturated fatty acids. In contrast, our laboratory has recently shown that a ketogenic diet modified the risk factors for heart disease in obese patients

Yep, stick to a good high fat diet, DO add lots of saturated fats but avoid the dreaded polyunsaturated fats and your heart does just fine. Funny how they tell you the opposite!

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Well, well, well - here is a rather unexpected side-benefit from a ketogenic diet :)

It seems those who produce a lot of ketones are less likely to be bitten by mosquitos. Yep, straight up - here is the Telegraph article:

[link to www.telegraph.co.uk]

Now scientists have discovered key differences in the body odours produced by people who are more prone to insect bites compared to those who seem resistant – they have lower levels of fruity smelling compounds in their sweat.

The researchers found that these compounds, known as ketones, repel mosquitoes. People who produce high levels are less likely to be bitten.


And, of course, rather than recommend a healthy way of eating that brings more side benefits, what's the solution?

They are now developing a new kind of insect repellent to help those whose bodies do not smell so fruity.

Now there's a surprise :)
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Amd here is a study comparing the effectiveness of ketones versus that of DEET. It appears that certain ketones are nearly as effective as DEET without the obvious toxic implications of a nasty substance like DEET

[link to www.insectscience.org]

Very interesting!
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I don't want my kids to get mercury poisoning so I let them play with liquid mercury before they eat.


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I don't want my kids to get mercury poisoning so I let them play with liquid mercury before they eat.


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Happy New Year everybody!
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Happy New Year everybody!
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Happy New Year to you as well htp.

Hope you had a good one!!

Happy New Year to everyone else on here as well :)

cheers
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Hi

Happy new year everyone

Quick question in regards to beans eg red kidney beans etc are these ok to eat in small quantities.

Many suggest they are very nutritional and a protein. Although i notice they are fairly high in carbs if you eat too many.

cheers
Ubetido
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I seen this thread 5 or so months ago.. did not make the change until about a week before xmas.

WOW. this is true, the fat literally melted off my body, and my muscles did not melt. i do moderate running, and moderate stretch band weight lifts.

i have a small layer of fat left.. i can tell, it's going to be gone in about 1 n a half months. yes, more energy, and a better mental clarity. i should work on eating higher fat now.. my carb content is very very low.. absolutely bread grains.
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lost 10 kg in 3 month this way.

started 10 month ago.

never going back to be a carb addict - feels awesome, so healthy !




i got my rule o thumb, max 100gr. carbs a day.

so, beer is still allowed ;)


keepin my ideal weight since then, started working out again.

no more avoiding the mirror - embrassing it :)


btw. i did use a scale first, but then i went for looks.


Scorpion, thank you so much my friend !


dasbier

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It looks like taking apple cider vinegar would be a nice supplement to this way of eating. It seems to have a similar effect in reducing insulin spikes.

[link to correct-weight-loss.net]
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Hi

Happy new year everyone

Quick question in regards to beans eg red kidney beans etc are these ok to eat in small quantities.

Many suggest they are very nutritional and a protein. Although i notice they are fairly high in carbs if you eat too many.

cheers
Ubetido
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Kidney beans are 69% carbs per serving. A one cup serving of canned kidney beans would give you 41grams of carbs.

You can look up your foods here:

[link to nutritiondata.self.com]
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Are there any alternatives at all for pasta or rice?
I've read in a thread about cake sponge bread can it be bought in the uk cause i'm not too sure what it really is accept for sponge for cakes?

Many Thanks
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I don't know if this has been covered in the thread, but how about this? - When making hummus, [know it's not the best example carb-wise] with canned chickpeas, lemon juice, tahini,[better, i think, with toasted sesame oil] and so forth, you can stand there at the food processor and drizzle in ridiculous amounts of olive oil, more than you'd believe, and it will still stay an emulsion. Since fat seems to magnify flavor, the flavor stays fairly undiluted, in proportion to what would be expected, anyway.

I've noticed that salt flavor seems very magnified with high fat content of a food. this leads me to wonder how much salt people may unwittingly ingest in low fat foods, because it would go undetected?

Another recipe ,where you could employ same technique to get more fat into your diet: [link to blogs.kqed.org]

I bet you wouldn't have to use the second potato and could double the olive oil, but haven't tried this recipe either way yet.

Sorry, I know I've done this with a bunch of foods, but am blanking at the moment-can't remember good examples ,and didn't want mean to clog up your thread sc0rp10n with clueless-sounding carb-loading. In actuality I feel very clued-up by your kindly infos and very grateful.
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I almost pissed myself laughing when I read this story:

'Fewer crisps for healthy teenagers but some skip meals'
[link to www.bbc.co.uk]

The gist of the story is best summed up by this line:

"Teenagers in England are eating less fatty food and more vegetables than previous generations - but some are skipping meals to lose weight, according to research."

OK, great news eh? So why on earth are they getting fatter and fatter as they eat healthier? To the point that they are having to skip meals to try and lose weight?

And why be critical when they are eating healthy and trying to watch the calories too? Surely the cause of all our obesity problems, at least as we have been lectured to over the last 30 years, is that people are eating too many fatty foods, too few vegetables and too many calories? Yet when they eat healthy and watch calories they are getting obese!

What does that say about healthy eating (less fatty foods and more veggies) and calorie control?

Hmmm ... perhaps eating healthy isn't actually so healthy?

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lost 10 kg in 3 month this way.

started 10 month ago.

never going back to be a carb addict - feels awesome, so healthy !




i got my rule o thumb, max 100gr. carbs a day.

so, beer is still allowed ;)


keepin my ideal weight since then, started working out again.

no more avoiding the mirror - embrassing it :)


btw. i did use a scale first, but then i went for looks.


Scorpion, thank you so much my friend !


dasbier

sorry for bad english.
 Quoting: german guy 625278


Fantastic! Well done german guy ... I wish I could manage 100g of carbs of day :( but too many years of damage in my case.

What it does show is that acting to cut carbs before they totally mess up your system can lead to a lifetime of sensible carb eating without the problems associated with carb abuse.

That's the advice I give the youngsters in my family. Some are even beginning to listen. My oldest boy started drinking cider (sweeter with much more fructose) instead of beer and quickly noticed that his middle expanded. Easy to notice since he was so thin before. He has gone back to beer and it has dropped off!!

The smallest little changes early on in life can be hugely beneficial, but unfortunately once high blood sugars, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, etc start to kick in then carb abstinence becomes the only option to maintain health

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Came across this one today. Very important find if there are any MS sufferers reading this. The gist of all research is that the sooner an MS sufferer begins a very low-carb, high fat diet, the better the chance of an all out cure.

[link to www.second-opinions.co.uk]

What an MS sufferer can expect when eating this way:

1) A full cure from the disease, which often happens provided the disease has not been of long duration. On occasion, a cure has been possible in individuals suffering for as long as 5 years.

2) A halt in the progression of the disease (always).

3) An improvement in the physical condition and a reduction of disease symptoms (to a varied extent).

4) An elimination (practically total) of new attacks of the disease provided the optimal nutrition is continued indefinitely.

5) Achievement of the highest degree of resistance to all sorts of infection.

Not an MS sufferer, but I can certainly vouch for No 5).

In nearly 4 years now of eating this way I have not had ANY major infection (cold, flu, upset stomachs, etc). Even when I have had anything it has been nothing more major than a sore throat or a runny nose and this has cleared usually within a few hours of onset.

This is despite being surrounded almost permanently by sick people (esp. kids with having kids). In fact I think I have put myself at more risk to try and see if I acually catch anything ..... but zip, nada!!
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WHY does this work?

what about cholesterol and HDL
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I loved this little story:

Confessions of a Low Carb Convert Kate Street, MS
[link to lowcarbeating.com]

Enjoy - nothing that those of us who have been doing this for a while don't already know.
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WHY does this work?

what about cholesterol and HDL
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All covered in this thread ... especially the early few pages. The last 8-10 pages have lots of examples of people who have greatly improved their cholesterol by ditching carbs.

When you eat low-carb typically 4 things happen:

1) Blood sugars dive
2) HDL soars
3) Triglycerides NOSEDVIVE
4) LDL usually drops too
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I seen this thread 5 or so months ago.. did not make the change until about a week before xmas.

WOW. this is true, the fat literally melted off my body, and my muscles did not melt. i do moderate running, and moderate stretch band weight lifts.

i have a small layer of fat left.. i can tell, it's going to be gone in about 1 n a half months. yes, more energy, and a better mental clarity. i should work on eating higher fat now.. my carb content is very very low.. absolutely bread grains.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6216609


absolutely no bread, it should read.

that small layer of fat is damn near gone, i cut my work outs in half, continued to loose fat, and retained my muscle..

:)

i will actually have a nice looking beach body by spring.. first time ever..

i also noticed.. while fat on top my muscles melted away.. my thigh's are getting smaller, and my butt fat is in good ratio.. which means i had fat under my muscles since i was about 14.. 27 now, and its finally starting to disappear. no more man boobs either.

no longer have infrequent rash/bumbs on certain parts of my body either, the scarring has healed up also with help of shea butter.
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I want to add that I've been eating like this for 5-6 years and went from borderline plus-size (Like size 12-14) to a skinny size 4 eating like this. 2 years ago I got pregnant, gained 40 pounds, and lost all the baby weight by the time my kid was 4 months old... It really works.
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Everything you ate at that rsaaturent looks fantastic and totally calorie-worthy! Watch, you'll probably lose more weight by shocking your system like that, lol!I had fresh spinach on a pizza a few days ago and wow was it good! Can't wait to see what you do for pizza party Friday.Isn't it weird to see your kids head out to an adultish establishment without you?
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I've decided to take a break for awhile from this diet. Due to a couple of reasons;

-I’m exercising more and feel like I need more food/energy.

-I need a break from the routine & the repetition of foods I’ve been eating (bored-need to research new recipes, but they need to be quick & easy meals, ‘grab & go style’)

-Last few months I have been in a stall & I’m getting frustrated with my ‘lack of success’ (lose 2-3 lbs during week, gain 3-4 over weekend) I.e.; I’m very strict during the week (while at work), as soon as the weekend starts about 50% of my meals are ‘optimal’ (I like pizza & beer, tounge, arrrgh, this American culture!!!)

So, I’ve gone back to calorie counting but as soon as I started eating more than 100g of carbs. I have felt awful (immediately gained 5lbs, very bloated, etc.)

I’m looking for a few recommendations on a better balance. I currently weigh 275 lbs. & need to drop to 225 lbs very quickly (ideally by 5/25, may not be realistic, I’d settle for 240!!). I started to do a combination of P90 & some walking/jogging. I’m trying to loose the weight before I go to full running so I don’t destroy my joints/knees. & I’m 46!! (I’m not fat, most people would guess I’m around 225 at first glance, I’m very large framed-played football & wrestled in HS & college).

Last year I was 282 dropped down to 254 by following this way of eating (thanks Scorp.!!) & then put it all back on.

I start off this year at 281, after 3 weeks I got to 272 & then got sick for about a month. This has set me back on my planned schedule of getting to 225 by 5/25.

Bottom line is I’ve lost focus & could use some inspiration/advice. Thanks
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Regarding hummus
Replace beans with roasted zucchini
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Just wanted to offer some encouragement. Seems like a bad time to get off the diet. Seems like what you need to change up is your weekend routine.

Get back on the hf/lc diet. You should be able to lose 10lbs. a month on it. Think about how long it took you to get to the size you are now and how long you have been that size. Put it in perspective. Don't place a time deadline on your weight loss. Just keep as close to the proportions as you can without being overly rigid or punitive of yourself.

Cut back on the beer. The pizza. Just eat the toppings, or take the toppings from two slices on to one crust and don't eat the edge crust, just the under- crust.

Switch to distilled spirits for your alcohol. My favorite happens to be scotch on the rocks with a splash of water.

AS far as boredom and repetition. Yes, you have to change things up and add things to keep it interesting. With that said, though, I have been eating the same thing for breakfast nearly everyday now since I started this diet in mid-december 2010. I take bacon and cut it into bits. I just keep the package whole and chop of the entire slab of bacon, not cutting up the individual slices. I get the bacon sizzling. I add in a bit of onion and different peppers depending on what I have on hand. When the bacon is cooked the way I like it, I dump in two or three eggs beaten with heavy whipping creme. Then I layer on some cheese. Sometimes I take a big bowl, fill it with greens and dump the bacon/egg mix over the greens; sometimes I just eat the mix. Either way, it is high fat and it is the largest meal of the day. That is the key. Make breakfast your largest and fattiest meal. You will know you are eating enough for breakfast if it takes a solid 6-7 hours before you feel hungry again.


Grab and go stuff:(like from grocery stores or delis)

Cheese curds. Chicken thighs. Get a pint of 1/2&1/2 and drink it. Salad from salad bar with fattiest stuff, like olives and cheese chunks and fattiest dressing,(no croutons). A good antipasto salad is high in fat. Nuts are good for fats. One of my favorite snacks now is pork cracklins, which is fried pork skin. Just a handful of them is amazingly filling. In fact, a pint of 1/2&1/2, a little package of cracklins, and maybe a little package of fatty nuts would actually be a pretty good lunch.

Keep trying. When you go into grocery stores, delis, or restaurants, you are hunting for fat. Make it a quest. Have some fun with it. Focus on what you are taking on rather than what you are giving up.

And again, don't set deadlines! Give your body and brain time to adapt to the changes and you have a better chance of making it for the long haul.

All the best.
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Thanks!! I've been off of it for a full week and I'm regretting it. I appreciate the feedback & plan on making a stronger effort.

Any concerns with the collagen in heavy whipping cream? Any recommended recipes for fresh heavy whipping cream?
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I am not knowledgeable regarding issues with collagen.

However, I wouldn't think 1 tablespoon of heavy whipping cream in your eggs would pose a serious threat, unless you had a specific health issue. It does add a nice amount of calories from fat.