Godlike Productions - Conspiracy Forum
Users Online Now: 2,810 (Who's On?)Visitors Today: 1,671,343
Pageviews Today: 2,750,324Threads Today: 910Posts Today: 20,012
10:50 PM


Rate this Thread

Absolute BS Crap Reasonable Nice Amazing
 

If you want to be thin and stay thin (and avoid Metabolic Syndrome), then you have to eat high fat

 
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1196179
United States
03/13/2012 04:28 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If you want to be thin and stay thin (and avoid Metabolic Syndrome), then you have to eat high fat
Organic Heavy Whipping Cream is the best because it has 0g of carbs & 6g of fat per tablespoon. I'm not sure about 'collagen'. I read somewhere (cant find link) that it can contribute to thickening of the arteries.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1308689
United States
03/16/2012 11:51 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If you want to be thin and stay thin (and avoid Metabolic Syndrome), then you have to eat high fat
Heavy whipping cream (organic) goes great in your eggs, in your coffee, in sausage gravy (no flour needed), over sauteed brussell sprouts, spinach or kale (with butter and a bit of bacon or bacon fat), in smashed califlower with butter, chives and garlic, in soup with asparagus, leeks and some chicken stock, and mixed with chunked blue cheese and a bit of cider vinegar and black pepper for the best salad dressing you ever had.

I love this diet! If you follow the ratio's and fat fast to break any stalls, you can't help but be successful. A year and a half after starting this diet my size fours are becoming too big and I feel great unless I cheat and eat a cupcake or something stupid! But even then I have learned I can have carby treats now and then if I really want them. I don't feel deprived or worry about overdoing it or cheating for long because the joint pain and stomach bloating that comes with that little piece of cake remind me to get back to the proper ratios of fat and carbs fast!

Recently I discovered Hardee's low carb breakfast bowl! It is pretty tasty when I don't have time to make breakfast or if I run out of bacon at home. It is a big bowl of eggs, sausage, cheese and bacon that will certainly keep you full long past lunch. Another discovery...duck fat! OMG! That stuff is the bomb! Also....baba ganoush, which is like roasted eggplant hummus but so much creamier than bean hummus!

My younger sister is in town visiting. At 200 pounds, and with 3 angioplasty procedures under her ever widening belt already, she is in misery. Facing a life time sentence of blood pressure, cholesterol, IBS, and antidepressant meds, she is feeling hopeless and literally too tired to get up off the couch! She is on 8 prescriptions and her massive stomach looks at least 8 months pregnant. She should be the poster child for metabolic syndrome!

I spent much of the day trying to explain to her why this diet works. She has been continually questioning me about my diet, but she is afraid to try it because the doctors have convinced her that fat and red meat are going to block her arteries again and kill her. I have sent her articles, links to this thread, other websites, and all sorts of information. Tonight in exasperation,I finally pointed to her grossly extended belly and said that this is what is killing her.

Honestly, my sister has gained so much weight since the cardiologist put her on a low fat diet and all those medicines that it is just nuts. It is really hard to believe the doctors don't know what they are doing by encouraging folks to carb it up when they have serious health issues. I think I was well on my way to becoming as sickly as my sister if I hadn't found Scorpion's life changing thread on this forum!

I know my sister doesn't really believe that she could have a 24 inch waist again, but I think she sees my new joy in living and longs to wake up also feeling the same excitement for the day that I now have. I also know if she would just give this diet a month she would have all the convincing she would ever need.

If only those durn doctors didn't already have their money grubbing hooks in her! There is so much information out there proving that it is carbs and not fat that cause heart disease. I can't understand why a few doctors in USA aren't willing to look at this information and use it to help people really live well.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1640313
United States
03/24/2012 09:03 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If you want to be thin and stay thin (and avoid Metabolic Syndrome), then you have to eat high fat
try this for a treat;

Peanut Butter Cream Cheese
o 1 ounce cream cheese
o 1 tablespoon sugar free peanut butter
o 1 tablespoon heavy or whipping cream
o 10 drops Liquid Sweet & Low (or artificial sweetener of your choice)
o 1/8 teaspoon ground cinnamon
Blend all ingredients in a small bowl.

Serves 1. Approximately 208 calories.

***Note: If you life this one, make up several servings at one time and stick them into the refrigerator in custard cups for individual servings. That way you only have one cleanup.
Deena
User ID: 3042756
United States
03/24/2012 09:42 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If you want to be thin and stay thin (and avoid Metabolic Syndrome), then you have to eat high fat
Hi - just wondering if yogurt is OK in a low carb lifestyle?

Thanks!
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 13247135
United States
03/26/2012 07:45 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If you want to be thin and stay thin (and avoid Metabolic Syndrome), then you have to eat high fat
Hi - just wondering if yogurt is OK in a low carb lifestyle?

Thanks!
 Quoting: Deena 3042756


Just keep it under 20 grams.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 6741560
United States
03/27/2012 05:26 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If you want to be thin and stay thin (and avoid Metabolic Syndrome), then you have to eat high fat
On Yogurt:

[link to nutritiondata.self.com]

Plain whole milk yogurt is 49% fat, 29% carbs, 24% protein.

An 8oz. serving will have 11 grams of carbs, all as sugars.

On this diet, you will not waste your money on any low-fat yogurts. You will also avoid the yogurts that are loaded with "fruit".

If you are restricting carbs to about 50 grams per day, one serving uses up 20% of your carb allotment. To make it worthwhile, be sure that is has active cultures.
Sc0rp10n

User ID: 13457306
United Kingdom
03/31/2012 06:32 AM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If you want to be thin and stay thin (and avoid Metabolic Syndrome), then you have to eat high fat
Hi - just wondering if yogurt is OK in a low carb lifestyle?

Thanks!
 Quoting: Deena 3042756


Just keep it under 20 grams.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13247135


Indeed - the best yoghurts are the Organic Full Fat Greek Style Natural yoghurts. Yum. I use them for making things like cucumber tzaziki dips. They are wonderful with barbecued meat.

I also make a lot of variants on an Eastern European dish called variously in different places - mititei, cevapi, kebap etc. Here are some of my variants:

Mexican Style
-------------
500g pork mince
500g beef or lamb mince
1 green pepper
1 red pepper
2 shallots
1 egg
salt & pepper
Fajita spices (either fajita mix or fajita recipe)
chopped Coriander/cilantro leaves

Mix it all together till well blended and then create little balls - flatten these down to make a flat sausage shape - about 3 inches long and about an inch deep. Lightly coat with some olive oil and grill.

Very yummie with Salsa or a Yoghurt dip :)

Balkan Style
-------------

400g pork mince
400g lamb mince
400g beef mince
2 eggs
2-3 shallots
4 garlic cloves
4 tsp cumin
4 tsp paprika
2 tsp hot chilli powder
1 tsp ground coriander seeds (optional)
chopper parsley
salt and pepper

Prepare as above.

Both very nice to make in the summer for the BBQ.

You can actually mix and match herbs and spices to create whatever kind of cevapi you like best.
"The growth of knowledge depends entirely on disagreement" Karl R. Popper
Sc0rp10n

User ID: 13457306
United Kingdom
03/31/2012 06:44 AM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If you want to be thin and stay thin (and avoid Metabolic Syndrome), then you have to eat high fat
This is why Greek Style Natural Yogurt is the best:

[link to nutritiondata.self.com]

100g = 5g of fat, 7g of protein and only 3g of carbs.

That's about 1/2 cup. SO it fits quite easily into a low carb diet if used as a condiment/flavour enhancer.

I use it mainly for dips and in curries.
"The growth of knowledge depends entirely on disagreement" Karl R. Popper
Sc0rp10n

User ID: 13457306
United Kingdom
03/31/2012 06:53 AM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If you want to be thin and stay thin (and avoid Metabolic Syndrome), then you have to eat high fat
Heavy whipping cream (organic) goes great in your eggs, in your coffee, in sausage gravy (no flour needed), over sauteed brussell sprouts, spinach or kale (with butter and a bit of bacon or bacon fat), in smashed califlower with butter, chives and garlic, in soup with asparagus, leeks and some chicken stock, and mixed with chunked blue cheese and a bit of cider vinegar and black pepper for the best salad dressing you ever had.

I love this diet! If you follow the ratio's and fat fast to break any stalls, you can't help but be successful. A year and a half after starting this diet my size fours are becoming too big and I feel great unless I cheat and eat a cupcake or something stupid! But even then I have learned I can have carby treats now and then if I really want them. I don't feel deprived or worry about overdoing it or cheating for long because the joint pain and stomach bloating that comes with that little piece of cake remind me to get back to the proper ratios of fat and carbs fast!

Recently I discovered Hardee's low carb breakfast bowl! It is pretty tasty when I don't have time to make breakfast or if I run out of bacon at home. It is a big bowl of eggs, sausage, cheese and bacon that will certainly keep you full long past lunch. Another discovery...duck fat! OMG! That stuff is the bomb! Also....baba ganoush, which is like roasted eggplant hummus but so much creamier than bean hummus!

My younger sister is in town visiting. At 200 pounds, and with 3 angioplasty procedures under her ever widening belt already, she is in misery. Facing a life time sentence of blood pressure, cholesterol, IBS, and antidepressant meds, she is feeling hopeless and literally too tired to get up off the couch! She is on 8 prescriptions and her massive stomach looks at least 8 months pregnant. She should be the poster child for metabolic syndrome!

I spent much of the day trying to explain to her why this diet works. She has been continually questioning me about my diet, but she is afraid to try it because the doctors have convinced her that fat and red meat are going to block her arteries again and kill her. I have sent her articles, links to this thread, other websites, and all sorts of information. Tonight in exasperation,I finally pointed to her grossly extended belly and said that this is what is killing her.

Honestly, my sister has gained so much weight since the cardiologist put her on a low fat diet and all those medicines that it is just nuts. It is really hard to believe the doctors don't know what they are doing by encouraging folks to carb it up when they have serious health issues. I think I was well on my way to becoming as sickly as my sister if I hadn't found Scorpion's life changing thread on this forum!

I know my sister doesn't really believe that she could have a 24 inch waist again, but I think she sees my new joy in living and longs to wake up also feeling the same excitement for the day that I now have. I also know if she would just give this diet a month she would have all the convincing she would ever need.

If only those durn doctors didn't already have their money grubbing hooks in her! There is so much information out there proving that it is carbs and not fat that cause heart disease. I can't understand why a few doctors in USA aren't willing to look at this information and use it to help people really live well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1308689


Good luck with your sister! I have a younger sister too who is on the slippery slide to diabetes. She knows and understands the issues, but the willpower and willingness to make the sacrifice is weak because she is not yet truly suffering. Unfortunately that is not far down the road.

And this is the real problem. It's not as though that serving of carbs will kill you dead or have an immediate impact that smacks you in the face (well unless its just on the weight front, which often isn't enough of incentive). It is the slow, long, drawn out painful killer of bodily degeneration, medication, more degeneration, amputations, surgeries, heart bypasses, etc, etc. It takes a brave person to acknowledge that the advice they have been given has made the condition worse.

Hell, how can someone not get that they are following the advice - but they are getting fatter, they are on more medication, they have more aches and pains, they are impotent, etc, etc. Yet they will say - just think how much worse it could be if I wasn't following this healthy diet my doctors have put me on. Really?? Just how much worse can it get???

Are the blood sugars going down? Is the blood pressure going down? Is the cholesterol going down? NO! How come? After all you are taking the glucophage, the beta blockers, the statins, daily aspririn, etc and AVODING all those nasty ARTERY-CLOGGING SATURATED FATS lol Notice how it's not just saturated fats anymore, it's artery clogging saturated fats. Right!!! So how come your blood pressure and cholesterol are rising and your arteries are beginning to look like a blocked sewage pipe? Maybe?? No, my doctor knows, understands and is on my side! Right?
"The growth of knowledge depends entirely on disagreement" Karl R. Popper
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 13526147
Canada
03/31/2012 02:54 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If you want to be thin and stay thin (and avoid Metabolic Syndrome), then you have to eat high fat
Dropping in again to mention that I use tortillas - pesto flavour tortillas, cheese flavour, nacho etc. to make pizza.

A good-sized tortilla contains only 30g carbs. I layer roasted vegs and swiss cheese, or pizza sauce with black olives and goat cheese or anchovies and provolone.

Bake at 400F for approx. 10 minutes.

The idea isn't new, surely, but I LOVE pizza! Thanks to tortillas I can even have 2 for dinner. (grin)

Regards,
b
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1502065
United States
04/05/2012 02:24 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If you want to be thin and stay thin (and avoid Metabolic Syndrome), then you have to eat high fat
a spoon of organic coconut oil in a cup of coffee is quite decadent

variation- add some raw cocoa, xylitol, and/or organic cream
R...

User ID: 572408
Netherlands
04/11/2012 09:18 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If you want to be thin and stay thin (and avoid Metabolic Syndrome), then you have to eat high fat
a year and a half or something ago I posted how doc wanted me on meds for high blood pressure, which is a family something. Since then I've quit drinking beer and eat high fat/low carb most of the time (I sometimes cheat and eat crap but go on fat fast after that) and I work out a lot. Few weeks ago I took my blood pressure somewhere, and it was a staggering low 115/65! As I said; sometimes I eat loads of chocolate or crisps, or like this festival weekend I drink some beers and eat plain crap but I always switch back to the high fat/low carb + loads of sports because it makes me feel soooooooo good! Let alone the muscle tone... ;)
"This world is more like a mystery, trapped in a conundrum, spun by a paradox." - AC1118155
Sc0rp10n

User ID: 13644166
United Kingdom
04/15/2012 06:52 AM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If you want to be thin and stay thin (and avoid Metabolic Syndrome), then you have to eat high fat
a year and a half or something ago I posted how doc wanted me on meds for high blood pressure, which is a family something. Since then I've quit drinking beer and eat high fat/low carb most of the time (I sometimes cheat and eat crap but go on fat fast after that) and I work out a lot. Few weeks ago I took my blood pressure somewhere, and it was a staggering low 115/65! As I said; sometimes I eat loads of chocolate or crisps, or like this festival weekend I drink some beers and eat plain crap but I always switch back to the high fat/low carb + loads of sports because it makes me feel soooooooo good! Let alone the muscle tone... ;)
 Quoting: R...


HI R,

Good to hear your update and the fact that you are doing so well. Blood pressure is one of the great things on this diet. I too have a family history of high blood pressure and yet my blood pressure first thing in the morning is 90/55 and rarely climbs above 110/65. My wife is exactly the same.

The other great plus with keeping relatively active is the pulse rate. I hit a new resting low of 52! I don't do cardio, that is my big no no. I think cardio is a disaster for the heart as shown by the relatively young average life expectancy of athletes. I would use the analogy with a car - say a car has a life expectancy of 100,000 miles, if you do 20,000 a year then it will die in 5 years, if you do 10,000 a year then it will last 10 years. Our heart is the same!

I like rowing and cycling, both good exercises for your muscles, but both low impact and don't overly raise your heart rate. I also enjoy weights for keeping those muscles active.
"The growth of knowledge depends entirely on disagreement" Karl R. Popper
R...

User ID: 572408
Netherlands
05/06/2012 12:19 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If you want to be thin and stay thin (and avoid Metabolic Syndrome), then you have to eat high fat
I just can't do without cardio. Running is not only a kind of meditation for me and a way to get to know some new music, but also do the (addictive) endorfines counteract my inborn depressive tendencies. And I totally don't care if it'll make me die some years earlier: it's not my goal to live a long life, it's my goal to live a healthy and joyful life. If it would be 10 years shorter because of my 3-times-a-week running, would I know...? ;)

I lift weights 3 times a week as well and my muscles...damn...just gotta keep this steadily going to get rid of the handles and "old man's" bellyfat; that stuff's stubborn!
"This world is more like a mystery, trapped in a conundrum, spun by a paradox." - AC1118155
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 15626922
United States
05/06/2012 01:28 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If you want to be thin and stay thin (and avoid Metabolic Syndrome), then you have to eat high fat
Hello, this question is to anyone. I have tried to start this diet several times, but each time about 3pm my brain goes into neutral, and I cannot think very good. Can someone please tell me what I am doing wrong. Thank you.

This is what I will eat before I have to stop and eat some candy or chips. After I eat the candy or chips I am fine

Breakfast Bacon and eggs.
Lunch steak or chicken wings, cheese and pork rinds.
and than about 3pm I get all spacey.

Thank you for your input. I have always been a heavy carb eater. I eat mostly junk food with very little protein. I would like to change this so I will start feeling good again. Thank you
R...

User ID: 572408
Netherlands
05/06/2012 03:58 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If you want to be thin and stay thin (and avoid Metabolic Syndrome), then you have to eat high fat
So if I understand correctly this happened every time you've tried going into this kind of diet, and made you quit? In that case I think the problem lies with getting your body used to it. It might take a few weeks even before the carb craving subsides to the point it doesn't bother you anymore, all depending on the eating style you had before that.

So it's highly probable it's a problem of your body switching from carb to fat metabolism. Maybe you could try the first week or two, how it feels, to spread out your intake over some smaller meals. Keep your breakfast good and sturdy, remember it's supposed to be the biggest meal of the day, take some less for lunch and the rest of that at 3 o'clock when that nasty feeling normally appears. Might just work, good luck! :)

and don't forget to avoid carbs at diner too! A bit in high fibre, low glycemic green veggies is ok though :) but no potatoes, pasta and stuff like that.
"This world is more like a mystery, trapped in a conundrum, spun by a paradox." - AC1118155
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 15626922
United States
05/06/2012 06:47 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If you want to be thin and stay thin (and avoid Metabolic Syndrome), then you have to eat high fat
So if I understand correctly this happened every time you've tried going into this kind of diet, and made you quit? In that case I think the problem lies with getting your body used to it. It might take a few weeks even before the carb craving subsides to the point it doesn't bother you anymore, all depending on the eating style you had before that.

So it's highly probable it's a problem of your body switching from carb to fat metabolism. Maybe you could try the first week or two, how it feels, to spread out your intake over some smaller meals. Keep your breakfast good and sturdy, remember it's supposed to be the biggest meal of the day, take some less for lunch and the rest of that at 3 o'clock when that nasty feeling normally appears. Might just work, good luck! :)

and don't forget to avoid carbs at diner too! A bit in high fibre, low glycemic green veggies is ok though :) but no potatoes, pasta and stuff like that.
 Quoting: R...


Thank you so much for your timely response. I will try your suggestions. For some reason on this diet my blood sugar wants to drop. The last time it was 66 until I brought it back up. I was really sweating, shakey felt like I was gonna pass out. Anyway I will give it a try. Maybe I am not adding enough fat to my diet. I don't know if that will keep my blood sugar from dropping or not. Anyway thanks once again.
R...

User ID: 572408
Netherlands
05/07/2012 02:52 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If you want to be thin and stay thin (and avoid Metabolic Syndrome), then you have to eat high fat
Pleasure to help. Remember that your body has to adjust and that can give quite heavy responses, according to the sugar loads you've normally given it. Might well be that your blood sugar level dropping is a normal indicator of your body trying to switch to the different, new energy source i.e. fat. Let your body gently know what the now preferred energy source is, fat, by giving it 4-5 servings a day and guiding it through the introductory phase which can last up to a few weeks!
"This world is more like a mystery, trapped in a conundrum, spun by a paradox." - AC1118155
Sc0rp10n

User ID: 14959334
United Kingdom
05/07/2012 03:08 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If you want to be thin and stay thin (and avoid Metabolic Syndrome), then you have to eat high fat
So if I understand correctly this happened every time you've tried going into this kind of diet, and made you quit? In that case I think the problem lies with getting your body used to it. It might take a few weeks even before the carb craving subsides to the point it doesn't bother you anymore, all depending on the eating style you had before that.

So it's highly probable it's a problem of your body switching from carb to fat metabolism. Maybe you could try the first week or two, how it feels, to spread out your intake over some smaller meals. Keep your breakfast good and sturdy, remember it's supposed to be the biggest meal of the day, take some less for lunch and the rest of that at 3 o'clock when that nasty feeling normally appears. Might just work, good luck! :)

and don't forget to avoid carbs at diner too! A bit in high fibre, low glycemic green veggies is ok though :) but no potatoes, pasta and stuff like that.
 Quoting: R...


Thank you so much for your timely response. I will try your suggestions. For some reason on this diet my blood sugar wants to drop. The last time it was 66 until I brought it back up. I was really sweating, shakey felt like I was gonna pass out. Anyway I will give it a try. Maybe I am not adding enough fat to my diet. I don't know if that will keep my blood sugar from dropping or not. Anyway thanks once again.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15626922


Do you have any health conditions that may cause this or are you on any medication that may cause this effect? Diabetics on medication could get hypoglycaemic (low blood sugars) if they don't reduce their medication when they cut the carbs out.

Other than that our bodies are really good at regulating blood sugars and will not allow hypoglycaemia even when starvation is happening. Imagine, how could someone survive for several weeks without food if their blood sugars dropped to dangerous levels. BTW 66 is not yet a dangerous level. I used to frequently go even below that after exercise.

The most likely problem if you are feel faint, especially if you rise suddenly is low blood pressure, I don't know if you have checked that. You may not be getting enough salt. High fat diets are diuretic and will reduce your body water since the extra water is required for carb digestion. I have to have loads of salt or my blood pressure drops significantly. My normal is about 90/60 and this seems to be a common reading across most people on this diet. The good news is that lower blood pressure correlates with lower risk of heart disease. At 120/80 you have an average chance of a heart attack. At 140/90 your risk about doubles. At 100/70 your risk halves!

If there is a pattern to when your blood sugars drop then have a higher protein meal, like a nice 8-10 oz steak 3-4 hours before your drop. Excess protein is converted quite effectively to glucose by the body. This is why too much protein can still cause weight gain.

Other than that as R says it takes some people 3-4 weeks to switch over to this way of eating and some people go through some drastic changes - even flu like symptoms as the body switches fuel source. Eating more protein in the early stages is a good way to minimise these effects. That's why often starting Atkins style and then slowly reducing the protein and increasing the fat can ease the process.

Hope that helps.
"The growth of knowledge depends entirely on disagreement" Karl R. Popper
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 15626922
United States
05/07/2012 08:48 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If you want to be thin and stay thin (and avoid Metabolic Syndrome), then you have to eat high fat
Pleasure to help. Remember that your body has to adjust and that can give quite heavy responses, according to the sugar loads you've normally given it. Might well be that your blood sugar level dropping is a normal indicator of your body trying to switch to the different, new energy source i.e. fat. Let your body gently know what the now preferred energy source is, fat, by giving it 4-5 servings a day and guiding it through the introductory phase which can last up to a few weeks!
 Quoting: R...


Wow You are a genius. This morning I cooked two slices of bacon and scrambled the one whole egg with three egg yolks in the bacon fat, I also added three tablespoons of butter. This stayed with me till noon, and than I wasn't hungry Most of the time with my one egg and one slice of bacon I am starving.

Lunch I had cooked two slices of bacon and crumbled it up in 1/4 cup of cream cheese. YUM YUM

3pm I ate me a handful of macadameia nuts.

6pm. Wasn't really hungry but I ate 1/2 cup whipped heavy cream with 1 teaspoon of coco powder added and 2 packets of stevia. I am very well satisfied, and I did not feel spaced out today. Did not get the shakes. Wonderful. Thank you so much.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 15626922
United States
05/07/2012 08:55 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If you want to be thin and stay thin (and avoid Metabolic Syndrome), then you have to eat high fat
So if I understand correctly this happened every time you've tried going into this kind of diet, and made you quit? In that case I think the problem lies with getting your body used to it. It might take a few weeks even before the carb craving subsides to the point it doesn't bother you anymore, all depending on the eating style you had before that.

So it's highly probable it's a problem of your body switching from carb to fat metabolism. Maybe you could try the first week or two, how it feels, to spread out your intake over some smaller meals. Keep your breakfast good and sturdy, remember it's supposed to be the biggest meal of the day, take some less for lunch and the rest of that at 3 o'clock when that nasty feeling normally appears. Might just work, good luck! :)

and don't forget to avoid carbs at diner too! A bit in high fibre, low glycemic green veggies is ok though :) but no potatoes, pasta and stuff like that.
 Quoting: R...


Thank you so much for your timely response. I will try your suggestions. For some reason on this diet my blood sugar wants to drop. The last time it was 66 until I brought it back up. I was really sweating, shakey felt like I was gonna pass out. Anyway I will give it a try. Maybe I am not adding enough fat to my diet. I don't know if that will keep my blood sugar from dropping or not. Anyway thanks once again.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15626922


Do you have any health conditions that may cause this or are you on any medication that may cause this effect? Diabetics on medication could get hypoglycaemic (low blood sugars) if they don't reduce their medication when they cut the carbs out.

Other than that our bodies are really good at regulating blood sugars and will not allow hypoglycaemia even when starvation is happening. Imagine, how could someone survive for several weeks without food if their blood sugars dropped to dangerous levels. BTW 66 is not yet a dangerous level. I used to frequently go even below that after exercise.

The most likely problem if you are feel faint, especially if you rise suddenly is low blood pressure, I don't know if you have checked that. You may not be getting enough salt. High fat diets are diuretic and will reduce your body water since the extra water is required for carb digestion. I have to have loads of salt or my blood pressure drops significantly. My normal is about 90/60 and this seems to be a common reading across most people on this diet. The good news is that lower blood pressure correlates with lower risk of heart disease. At 120/80 you have an average chance of a heart attack. At 140/90 your risk about doubles. At 100/70 your risk halves!

If there is a pattern to when your blood sugars drop then have a higher protein meal, like a nice 8-10 oz steak 3-4 hours before your drop. Excess protein is converted quite effectively to glucose by the body. This is why too much protein can still cause weight gain.

Other than that as R says it takes some people 3-4 weeks to switch over to this way of eating and some people go through some drastic changes - even flu like symptoms as the body switches fuel source. Eating more protein in the early stages is a good way to minimise these effects. That's why often starting Atkins style and then slowly reducing the protein and increasing the fat can ease the process.

Hope that helps.
 Quoting: Sc0rp10n


I ate a really big breakfast and today went great. No problems whatsoever. I think I was not eating enough fat. To be honest with you I am really afraid of fat. Heard my whole life that fat will make you fatter faster. Today I bit the bullett and ate lots of fat. It was so good. Haven't had this kind of food ever. I feel I am now on my way. Thanks so much for your advice. Thanks for posting this wonderful way of eating.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 6465869
United States
05/09/2012 12:46 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If you want to be thin and stay thin (and avoid Metabolic Syndrome), then you have to eat high fat
bump
htp
User ID: 16006312
United States
05/16/2012 06:30 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If you want to be thin and stay thin (and avoid Metabolic Syndrome), then you have to eat high fat
A little personal update:

I have now been eating hf/lc for 1yr. & 5 mos.. When I started I was wearing 38 waist pants. I am now fitting comfortably in 32 waist. Weight is stable. Waist and belly fat gradually disappearing. Feeling awesome. Have had two different people ask me for diet info. in the past week.

This works. I never have cravings. When I feel hungry, it is because I am hungry. I always have energy. Typically go 7-8 hours between meals, frequently only eating two meals and a light snack. Talk about saving money on food! Many benefits. Thanks.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1308689
United States
06/08/2012 10:06 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If you want to be thin and stay thin (and avoid Metabolic Syndrome), then you have to eat high fat
I have been doing this diet for twenty months. I feel like I am beginning to get too thin now. My weight is still dropping a couple pounds a month and the 110 pounds my scale is reading lately is making me a bit nervous as it reminds me of my lowest adult weight of 104lbs when I was super ill with mono decades ago.

Seems it should be easy to adjust the plan and stabilize my weight, but when I add carbs into my diet like wheat, sugar or corn, I feel so rotten that I just can't stand a normal diet anymore. Sugar hurts my joints, wheat hurts my gut, and corn immediately gives me severe indigestion.

My job is outdoors in the heat and quite physical. I am eating probably between 1800 and 2400 calories daily. I find potatoes do not make me feel bad at all and so I have added them back in. I probably eat a diet now something like this...150g fat, 70g protein, 35g-45g carbs. For the last few months I have been feeling much weaker and sometimes my legs feel like lead by afternoon.

My mother has been ill, and I have not had the time to be creative with cooking like I was initially. I eat lots of burgers, no bun, some potatoes and loads of creamed veggies, eggs, bacon, salads smothered in creamy fat dressings. If I don't have time to cook my own breakfast and add nu salt (for potassium) to my eggs, I do get some leg cramps. I think this is also why I have added chips or fries to my lunch hoping to boost potassium a bit.

Lastly, I sat out at a pool on my day off a few weeks ago and got a bad sunburn. I drank iced coffees all day and ate 3 good sized meals with a lot of protein but not many carbs or fat. Long story short, that night I attended an outdoor event with a heat warning still in effect and 84 degrees temperature at ten pm. Suddenly after one wine, I got weak as a kitten and the place started spinning. Husband kept me from falling but I did pass out and end up on the floor. The wine had been sickly sweet and I wondered if that one glass had screwed up my blood sugar or if it was just too much sun. After they put a fan on me and some ice on my neck, I quickly recovered and have been fine since.

Not looking for medical advice, but just wondering if any others on this diet find they do not tolerate going off the diet ratios very well. Also curious if the weakness might indicate a deficiency in my diet or something I can add that might boost my strength and stablize my weight. For the record, I had a complete physical in January and blood pressure, and blood work were all great, except for a bit too low resting heart rate which I read here is pretty common on this diet.
guynur

User ID: 5400864
United States
06/09/2012 07:20 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If you want to be thin and stay thin (and avoid Metabolic Syndrome), then you have to eat high fat
While in the sun you lose water whether working or at the pool. Eliminate caffeine. diuretic
Alcohol dries you out. Increase sodium to help retain water. Increase water intake.
Someone posted high fat diets cause water loss.
Bacon and other meats contain sodium nitrite. Causes joints to ache. I know my aches went away when I reduced how often I ate stuff with sodium nitrite.
People have posted their blood pressures have lowered. Mine lowered enough I stopped taking my hypertensive medication. No light-hotheadedness in 2-3 months. Blood pressure is stable.
Its been posted that on this diet we can get all the vits and minerals we need. I still take a multivitamin every night before going to bed. Along with 2-3 glasses of water in the evening I've eliminated my night time leg cramps. I've been dealing with leg cramps for the last 4 years and I finally can go to sleep and know I will not wake up in the middle of the night with cramps.
I feel the day you passed out was a combination of being out in the sun, perspiring, iced coffee(caffeine?)alcohol dried you out and the low blood pressure from this diet.
I feel you are burning too much protein(muscle mass).
I would go back to fat of 3x protein grams, carbs back to 20 grams or less, eliminate any caffeine, increase sodium and drink lots and lots of water. And the multi vit before going to bed.
I hope this helps. I'm retired with a part time job ,work 3 days in a row with 6 days off and walking 5 miles daily wile at work, in the blazing sun. So I've had to deal with some of the things you have. Lost 24 lbs since middle of January.
no body special
User ID: 17699743
Israel
06/10/2012 06:01 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If you want to be thin and stay thin (and avoid Metabolic Syndrome), then you have to eat high fat
Well, for your information,
I GAINED 25 pounds on low carb eating.

I am now on an Orish type diet,
80-100 grams carbs, 15% fat,
50-70 grams protein,
good physical work out every day,
and I am loosing weight hand over fist.
So far, in 5 weeks, 15 pounds off.

Fuck low carb.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 3198332
United Kingdom
06/10/2012 06:18 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If you want to be thin and stay thin (and avoid Metabolic Syndrome), then you have to eat high fat
OP you are dead on....it's like the Atkins diet..... and that is the only way I have lost weight successfully! It's also called the Hunter's Diet. It's what God intended us to eat in the first place. Meats, fat and leafy greens. Lotsa veggies and all the meats you want! I was never hungry when I was trying to l,ose weight..and it just falls off.

never see a fat eskimo.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1020881


What happens when you reach your ideal weight? If you can lose weight on 2200-2500 cals a day, do you have to increase or does weight maintain itself naturally?
htp
User ID: 17006327
United States
06/12/2012 07:44 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If you want to be thin and stay thin (and avoid Metabolic Syndrome), then you have to eat high fat
My weight seems to have stabilized. However, my flab continues to go away.

Cheap lunch: 1/2 pint of half and half and one bag of pork cracklin's. 800-900 calories, mostly from fat. Under $5.
htp
User ID: 17006327
United States
06/12/2012 11:57 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If you want to be thin and stay thin (and avoid Metabolic Syndrome), then you have to eat high fat
OP you are dead on....it's like the Atkins diet..... and that is the only way I have lost weight successfully! It's also called the Hunter's Diet. It's what God intended us to eat in the first place. Meats, fat and leafy greens. Lotsa veggies and all the meats you want! I was never hungry when I was trying to l,ose weight..and it just falls off.

never see a fat eskimo.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1020881


What happens when you reach your ideal weight? If you can lose weight on 2200-2500 cals a day, do you have to increase or does weight maintain itself naturally?
 Quoting: Sonofabiscuit


The diet is predicated on your ideal weight/height ratio. You establish ideal weight, then eat 1 gram of protein per kilogram of ideal weight. This is the correct amount of protein to restore muscle tissue and maintain ideal body weight. The fat and carbs are also figured from the ideal body weight. The reason you lose weight is because you are eating for a lighter body, but you never feel hungry because the fat gives you sustained, slow-release energy.

It appears, in my own case, that I have reached my ideal body weight. I am 6'1. Ideal weight is 178lbs. +- 6%. I was 188lbs. when I started 18 months ago. I lost 14lbs. but have since stabilized around 180. Still eating same amount of food, but it is matched up with my ideal weight, so now experiencing neither weight gain nor loss.
The Swordsman

User ID: 16863343
United Kingdom
06/13/2012 01:36 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: If you want to be thin and stay thin (and avoid Metabolic Syndrome), then you have to eat high fat
WOW just stumbled across this thread a few days ago, day three of this eating plan today, not weighing myself till a week is gone.

I am a 5'9" male and currently 202 lbs, I want to get to 175 lbs.
The Swordsman

News