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hey sc0rpi0n,

Q: why is fructose so bad ? afaik it doesnt trigger insulin to your blood.

would like you to elaborate

thx
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It's a long story, but this is the simplest explanation:

1) It doesn't trigger blood sugars because it is not absorbed into the blood stream since it cannot be used for energy.

2) The metabolic pathway for using fructose is very different. As I said in 1 it cannot be used for energy like glucose. It is shuffled off to the liver and there are only 2 things that the liver can do with it - store it as glycogen or store it as fat, but it has to be stored. It causes a lot of work for the liver, just like alcohol - in fact the similarities are incredible. Non-alcoholic fatty liver disease is caused by fructose in the same way that alcoholic fatty liver disease is caused by alcohol. Since your glycogen stores are nearly always full (from eating starch and glucose) most of the fructose becomes fat. Worst of all it forms abdominal fat - the worst kind! That's why you see so many 'muffin tops' these days on young girls who are usually thin (except on their belly). This is due to the proliferation of alcopops type drinks. They were better off with beer :)

3) Because of 2) the levels of triglycerides are HIGHLY elevated after fructose meals. Elevated triglycerides are the No 1 risk factor for heart disease and stroke.

4) Fructose consumption (even in relatively small amounts like found say in an apple) will decrease your immune system by 70% for up to 5 hours. So someone who regularly consumes fruit during the day could be crippling their immune system for most of their waking day. Glucose will reduce it by only about 50%, starches by 12%. Saturated fats actually raise it! Low immune system operation is implicated in many things including frequent colds/susceptibility to infection and cancer.

5) Glucose is the fuel for cancer cells. Lots of research has shown that fructose is what they need to move around the body and proliferate. It is GO juice for cancer cells.

There's lots more but that's it in a nutshell.

It is sold to diabetics on the premise that it shan't raise their blood sugar. But it's destroying them in every other way. Combined with eating glucose and starches it speeds up the damage being done by the diabetes.
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Just read this --what you wrote last year at this time. It bears repeating--I'm just astounded at the lies we have ben "fed" pun intended.

"An apple a day keeps the Dr. Away....." Fiber is a must.....I always believed fruit was good for you, although I would notice swollen lymph glands after I had fruit, orange juice is really bad.

I'm wondering have you addressed getting enough vitamin C with this diet?
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I have addressed this yes. I believe Vitamin C in anything like the quantities we believe we need is only required when eating a diet high in carbs. Explorers first discovered the need for Vitamin C when they were eating diets high in starchy foods and they started developing scurvy on long journeys.

An explorer called Vilhjalmur Stefansson first discovered that Vitamin C was not required during 1906 to 1918. Here is an absolutely fascinating article.

[link to drbass.com]

The key point is here:

"From 1906 until 1918, Arctic explorer Vilhjalmur Stefansson ate almost exclusively fish and seal meat, often raw or fermented, and almost no vegetables - living as an Eskimo among Eskimos. He concluded that he had never been in better health in his life.

In this article, he concludes that wild meat/fish is better than citrus for scurvy, that meat is excellent for the teeth, that exclusive meat diets increase health, and that humans may have no need for varied diets with vegetables & fruits."


Some of the expedition members were actually cured of scurvy by being fed a diet rich in seal blubber. Eskimo's will go most of the year without eating fruit and veg. They do not suffer from scurvy.

I can spend weeks without eating any fruit or vegetables but have never found any problem with scurvy. I do however make sure that I eat lots of liver, in the form of liver but also liver sausage and pates. Liver actually contains more than enough Vitamin C for our needs in the absence of carb rich foods. Indeed 100g of most liver gives you between 30 and 60% of your daily recommended Vitamin C dose.

I also eat limes in Thai green curry. It is part of the green curry paste. I also enjoy 1/2 lime in my sparkling water and diet Cokes. Lime is the best fruit since it contains almost 0 fructose.

Hope that answers your questions and kills another myth of our modern age.
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Thank you.
hf

Wanted to share--just made a
Dreamsicle drink.....good flavor from growing up in the 60's.

One glass of filtered water, vanilla stevia drops to sweeten, a few drops orange flavor, and some heavy cream and a few ice cubes--yummm.

The combination sounds weird unless you are familiar with the "dreamsicle" orange popsicle filled with vanilla ice cream.

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Anyone know what happened to the homo.diet.netfirms.com site for the Optimal Diet? I can't get into it. Is it dead?
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I'm going to watch this movie about a small town that goes back to a native diet high in fat and low in carbs--

I don't know whether it was posted here (it is not new), I still haven't gotten all the way through the thread.

The Dr. that made this movie has a great blog and is raising his kid on a HFLC (HIgh Fat Low Carb) diet, or was it LCHF?

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Dr. Jay Wortman who made the movie above has a great blog, he has been on this diet for many years now and his youngest daughter was conceived and raised on it, his description of how healthy she is is great!

Here is the blog...

[link to www.drjaywortman.com]

There is much more, but here is a snippet...

"A couple of days ago, our neighbour’s teenaged daughter called to ask if we had some fresh basil to spare. I cut some sprigs and put them in a baggie which she came to fetch. As I came back into the house, I passed Issy who was busy with some toys in the hallway. Without looking up, she said, “That was nice of you, Dad”. My wife and I exchanged looks of incredulousness. This is something we find out selves doing a lot these days with our little daughter who seems so advanced for her age.

Issy has acquired a large vocabulary and is very good at expressing herself, often using multi-sylable words and complex grammar and syntax. She is very self-assured and polite. She is always saying, “please”, “thank you”, “you’re welcome”, “no thank you Dad”. She loves books (one of her brother’s good habits she has picked up) and insists on a number of them being read to her at bedtime. We have noticed that it takes only a couple of readings for her to accurately memorize the text which she then recites as though she is actually reading. She announces each book by its title and author and seldom makes an error when reciting the story, page by page. All of this before her third birthday. We think she may be exceptionally smart and are looking forward to her pre-school which starts soon so we can get an objective opinion on that (I am acutely aware of the fact that all parents tend to think of their kids as exceptional).

Of course, if there is something extraordinary going on here, I attribute it to her dietary history. She continues to thrive on her LCHF toddler fare.

She eats with gusto and likes a lot of the things she finds on her daddy’s plate. In the morning we share my usual breakfast of frittata with tomatoes and mayo. Occasionally, when I have more time, I make a plate of over-easy eggs with lots of salt, pepper and cayenne with fried tomato and maple flavoured bacon all doused with mayo and green salsa. She wolfs that down. She still eats the special foods we prepare for her including pureed meat sauces and veggie dishes like creamed spinach but she loves our dinner entre’s like barbequed salmon or ribs or steak and will still try to grab a sip of wine when we aren’t looking. She is tall for her age and slim and fit. And she is as tough nails while being the most sweet and charming little girl when she wants to. She is stubborn as all get out. When she has made up her mind about something there is no compromise. It’s “my way or the highway”. As difficult as this can be at times, I really admire her tenacity even though it often drives her mother to the brink of madness. I am comforted by the thought that nobody is ever going to push her around. She is definitely the dominant personality of the household."

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Eating Lots Of Carbs, Sugar May Raise Risk Of Cognitive Impairment, Mayo Clinic Study Finds
Those 70-plus who ate food high in fat and protein fared better cognitively, research showed

People 70 and older who eat food high in carbohydrates have nearly four times the risk of developing mild cognitive impairment, and the danger also rises with a diet heavy in sugar, Mayo Clinic researchers have found. Those who consume a lot of protein and fat relative to carbohydrates are less likely to become cognitively impaired, the study found. The findings are published in the Journal of Alzheimer's Disease....

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Dr. Jay Wortman who made the movie above has a great blog, he has been on this diet for many years now and his youngest daughter was conceived and raised on it, his description of how healthy she is is great!

Here is the blog...

[link to www.drjaywortman.com]

There is much more, but here is a snippet...

"A couple of days ago, our neighbour’s teenaged daughter called to ask if we had some fresh basil to spare. I cut some sprigs and put them in a baggie which she came to fetch. As I came back into the house, I passed Issy who was busy with some toys in the hallway. Without looking up, she said, “That was nice of you, Dad”. My wife and I exchanged looks of incredulousness. This is something we find out selves doing a lot these days with our little daughter who seems so advanced for her age.

Issy has acquired a large vocabulary and is very good at expressing herself, often using multi-sylable words and complex grammar and syntax. She is very self-assured and polite. She is always saying, “please”, “thank you”, “you’re welcome”, “no thank you Dad”. She loves books (one of her brother’s good habits she has picked up) and insists on a number of them being read to her at bedtime. We have noticed that it takes only a couple of readings for her to accurately memorize the text which she then recites as though she is actually reading. She announces each book by its title and author and seldom makes an error when reciting the story, page by page. All of this before her third birthday. We think she may be exceptionally smart and are looking forward to her pre-school which starts soon so we can get an objective opinion on that (I am acutely aware of the fact that all parents tend to think of their kids as exceptional).

Of course, if there is something extraordinary going on here, I attribute it to her dietary history. She continues to thrive on her LCHF toddler fare.

She eats with gusto and likes a lot of the things she finds on her daddy’s plate. In the morning we share my usual breakfast of frittata with tomatoes and mayo. Occasionally, when I have more time, I make a plate of over-easy eggs with lots of salt, pepper and cayenne with fried tomato and maple flavoured bacon all doused with mayo and green salsa. She wolfs that down. She still eats the special foods we prepare for her including pureed meat sauces and veggie dishes like creamed spinach but she loves our dinner entre’s like barbequed salmon or ribs or steak and will still try to grab a sip of wine when we aren’t looking. She is tall for her age and slim and fit. And she is as tough nails while being the most sweet and charming little girl when she wants to. She is stubborn as all get out. When she has made up her mind about something there is no compromise. It’s “my way or the highway”. As difficult as this can be at times, I really admire her tenacity even though it often drives her mother to the brink of madness. I am comforted by the thought that nobody is ever going to push her around. She is definitely the dominant personality of the household."
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All kids are exceptional! hf
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World's oldest dad does it again at 96 (well, he does have sex three times a night!)
Ramjit Raghav has become a father for the second time, aged 96
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Check out his diet--almost all fat!!!
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"The protein and carbs are the most important since they are the only two that can lead to weight gain"

False: protein has no calories. You are thinking the fat and in the chicken, beef, etc.

Just eat meat and veggies, think of carbs (grains and sugar, etc.) as poison

I lost 70 lbs and lose about 1/2 lb. a day - I walk 4-5 miles a day. I have 50 more lbs. to lose.
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I'm starting to think to return to a vegetarian diet again, because of spiritual reasons. Probably won't (yet) skip on fish, and might just eat some chicken sometimes...

Are there any guidelines/ideas to do a low carb diet without meat and not falling into the trap of potatoes, grains, meat, dairy, fruit... I'm mainly thinking of eggs, cheese, nuts, vegetables... Main problem in my mind is diner; can imagine eating some kind of salad with fatty cheese, fish, oil/mayonaise on top or veggies with sauce/oil...

Struggling to form an idea in my head how to make a diverse diet that's still low carb/high fat ánd gives me enough calories to stay healthy and avoid hibernation mode... Ideas?
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It was nice to see this thread on page one today, been meaning to catch up with it and to get back closer to this diet again.

I was cooking for someone else this summer and in my effort to provide variety I got off this diet and did gain some weight even though I work a very physical job and walk everywhere. No big deal but it was nice being super skinny last winter, mainly because clothes fit better. Also when I weigh less my feet hurt less being on them all day, and this is important.

I quoted your post because I was doing this on a vegetarian diet, I did keep it up for I think a year and did lose a good amount of weight. Wasn't overweight to start with but had some meat on my bones, some padding, which is okay but like I said clothes fit better when you're really thin.

For a long time I've said I feel best when my diet is salad, eggs and cheese. With maybe some steamed vegetables, some nuts/trail mix, and a little fish sometimes to round things out.

I like to make vegetable soup, with some beans, maybe vegetable chili with beans, used to make those all the time, my downfall with those is that I like to eat them with crushed tortilla chips, so last winter I didn't even make soup or chili much at all.

The other day I made soup and made some brown rice to put in it for texture, I don't like soup to be soggy and mushy, or too thin and watery, I need it to have some kind of chewy quality to it. I am sure some brown rice is better than crushed tortilla chips so maybe I can get used to that.
In the past I also experimented with chopped lettuce on top of the soup.

Just checking in! I could stand a reboot on this diet. This is such a great thread, thanks Scorpion, htp and everyone who contributes!
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Cream Cheese Jello

(Don't use Jello. The sugarless has Aspartame which you should NEVER ingest, and the regular has sugar.)

But you can use Knox Unflavored Gelatine

I made this recipe from a link I got earlier on in this thread about the Fat Fast to kick the metabolism back into fat burning.

I can't 100% recommend this desert because of the artificial sweeteners and flavors and colors.....but....without the "Jello" it is a healthy treat.

It is REALLY GOOD tasting.

2 packages Gelatine (Knox)

1 8oz package organic full fat cream cheese


1/3 cup full cream

1/3 cup sour cream (full fat)

1/3 cup extra virgin coconut oil

So......

1. Pour the Jello into a bowl--I used pyrex (add juice of one lemon, lime or 1/3 cup unsweetened cranberry juice)--let sit for a minute or two...

2. Add the 1 cup boiling water and continue stirring till dissolved

3. Add the 2/3 cup cold water

4. Pour dissolved Jello into blender

5. Add in the cream cheese pieces, the sour cream, cream, and coconut oil--

blend till well mixed

Sweeten with stevia--flavor or plain...could add vanilla ...

and pour into 8 small plastic (I used disposable) cups--small glass (like juice size) would do-- I just don't have a lot of small glass cups.

I put saran wrap on the tops and secured with rubber bands--not necessary

I placed in fridge.

So, 8..... 1/2 cup servings around 200-250 calories mostly from fat

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I made a Lime flavor version.

Juice of two fresh limes

1 package cream cheese

2 small packets Knox Gelatine

1/3 cup cream

1/3 cup sour cream (full fat)

1/3 cup coconut oil

20 drops plain stevia (sweetener)--or lemon flavor

1. Squeeze the juice from the limes and strain into a glass bowl

2. add the 2 packets of Knox Gelatine And stir--let sit for 3 minutes

3. Add 1 cup boiling water

4. Add the packet of Lime Jell-O (stir till dissolved)

5. Add 2/3 cup of cold water and stir & add in the stevia drops

6. Add Jell-O to blender

7. Add in to Blender....Cream Cheese, Cream, sour cream, and coconut oil and blend till well mixed--less than a minute on high.

8. Divide (pour) into 8 small cups and refrigerate...

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I'll have to try that Jello recipe.. Anything that can add variety is a good thing.
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Scorpion,
In your studies/experience have you seen any connection of lo carb eating, cause or cure arthritis? Thanks,

K
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Two years today since I started eating this diet.

Just had a physical Tuesday. First since 2009. I weighed 200# in 2009. I came in at 174.4# on Tuesday. Weighed 245# 14 years ago.

It was a long haul. But this diet has been wonderful for me.
Weight has been stable in the mid 170's for over a year now. I feel fantastic. Amazing energy. Calmer(most of the time.)No dandruff. No dry skin issues. Rosacea gone. Hands and feet warmer in winter. Sleep better. Feel great.

I get my blood results tomorrow. I will report back.
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Agree... I am a 5'6" woman who weighs 118 lbs. I eat A LOT of fats, but all good ones. You really have to stay away from cream, steak fat, chicken skin, chips... only in small doses. These should be eaten: Peanut butter, olive oil, (all kinds of healthy cooking oils), coconut oil (only the non-processed kind), flax oil, all unprocessed nuts & seeds, eggs, ANY fatty fish... you get the idea. The brain does not function well without fat... your skin needs it, as do your vital organs. A non-fat diet is completely unsatisfying, to boot!
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I've been on the Atkins Diet twice and each time I lost 80+ in a year! Then I stalled out for a year, even started working out and the weight would not go away. Although, I was loosing inches but not lbs??
I'm planning on getting back on the plan soon, but would like to know if anyone else experienced the same and how did you break the long term plateau's.
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losing inches not pounds....muscle weights more than fat...you were probably building muscle...thereby losing inches because you were toning up & building muscle.
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So are there any recipes buried in the 82 pages?
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yes, read thru the thread. There is a ton of info. It's worth it.
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First blood test in 3 years. 2 years since adopting this eating regime.

BP 108/80
Fasting Glucose 104
Triglycerides 52
Tot. Cholesterol 174
HDL 66
LDL 98
Chol./HDL ratio 2.64

Also, unfortunately, TSH(thyroid) is still coming up above range.

But, I feel great, so I am not gonna worry about it.

I would be interested if anyone has any comments on my results.
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great to see the Scorp still posting in this thread. My hat is off to you, sir, for casting this pearl.

And Vision Thing, still checking in from time to time.
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I felt great eating a diet with lots of fruit for snacks probably 40% of caloric intake from fruits. I kept meat and foods in the high glycemic index to a minimum. Exercising every two days. I felt great physically and mentally. I don't trust this high fat diet. Where do you get your vitamins with this meat diet?
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I have lost over 100 pounds living on a high-fat diet.

I was 275 at 5'11". Now I am 175 and can run for miles without breathing hard. Low blood pressure too.

And I am 56 years old.

High fat diets, paleo diets, FTW.
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I have lost over 100 pounds living on a high-fat diet.

I was 275 at 5'11". Now I am 175 and can run for miles without breathing hard. Low blood pressure too.

And I am 56 years old.

High fat diets, paleo diets, FTW.
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Can you recommend other types of diets? I was on a low glycemic index diet and eating lots of fruit and I felt good. What's the difference between the two?
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For those who have tried everything and do lose but cannot seem to keep the weight off, AND your CrP blood test came back a bit on the high side (indicating inflammation), please research 'Leptin Resistance', and 'Leptin Resistance Diet'.

Leptin Resistance addresses the vicious obesity AND inflammation cycle. There are certain anti-inflammatory foods you can eat to actually reverse inflammation.

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This book is excellent - ties in to a lot of this: Deep Nutrition by Dr. Catherine Shanahan. Answers even more questions.
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thanks for that tip

gained 5kg. on the holidays, paining my body back into fat metabolism and that's always hard after binging times like I've had...but I'll succeed, know my body, know how to
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