If you want to be thin and stay thin (and avoid Metabolic Syndrome), then you have to eat high fat

I remember my mother on the Atkins diet, she lost weight quickly and it truly amazed me. The poor guy took a lot of criticism though. Wasn't he a cardiac specialist?

You know looking at the list of recommended food to eat, I can't help but think of my grandma. She didn't have one fat cell on her body, she lived to 88, never a health problem in her life.

She NEVER used margarine, ONLY butter and never skim milk in her coffee but cream. Ate constantly it seemed, always snacking on nuts and fruits. She wasn't one to " work out" or exercise but was in remarkable shape.

It's funny, when she was offered margarine or " healthy " stuff, she would turn her nose up to it, always saying in my day they didn't have margarine, only butter, lord only knows what is in that stuff.. seems like my grandma with her 8th grade education knew better than some.


Yep, Atkins was a cardiac specialist. And yes he took a lot of criticism because he challenged the orthodoxy!

What you mention is called the "French Paradox". The French eat way more fat than anyone else (cheese, butter, cream, whole milk, foie gras - very high fat, etc) and yet they have the lowest rates of heart disease in the Western world and relatively low obesity rates!

This is now starting to change, with substances such as foie gras being frowned on for being so high fat. As French fat consumption is finally succumbing to the propaganda, so their heart disease rates and obesity are beginning to rise!

Also on figures between 2005-2010 the French had a life expectancy of 80.7 years - with the UK on 79.4 and the US trailing on 78.2.

It's the trans fat that gives you metabolic syndrome. It is slow acting poison.

Trans fat destroys enzyme in liver that make vitamin D. Vitamin D regulates weight through it's control of insulin and leptin.

Vitamin D is critical for the immune system.

Heart Scan Blog cardiologist is the next Atkins. Check his stuff out. He has tons of stuff to back him up unlike Atkins.

Sc0rp10n,
do you eat yogurt?

I eat alot of it.



Perfectly fine in its natural form without added sugar and whatever else. Most products I see have too much added sugar and other crap. You want natural kind.

JUST SAY NO to cheese and milk

Vitamin D is the BY FAR the most important compound needed by the immune system and most of us are deficient in it. No wonder most stuff we tried did not seem to work. Vitamin D definitely works BIG TIME compared to anything I've ever tried for 20 years.

Sc0rp10n,
do you eat yogurt?

I eat alot of it.



Perfectly fine in its natural form without added sugar and whatever else. Most products I see have too much added sugar and other crap. You want natural kind.

Ugh... avocados are FRUIT..ya know

Potassium is only in FRUIT like bannanas

There are many people who are fruitarias and vegan raw foodists who benefit from their diets ...they eat no meat and low fat yet are doing just fine... So?

Ok question here, if I recall with the Atkins diet ( referring to it because this is the one I am the most familiar with) I think my mother ate as many eggs as she wanted , same with meat.. was way off from what they recommend now ie 4 oz of chicken, or 1 poached egg.. am I remembering this correctly?

Also for some reason, I think that salad was a no on at the time when she was on it? I can't remember exactly, but it was crazy , bacon, fried eggs on butter, tons of red meat, and eat until you were full? I do remember that lots and lots and lots of water was important though.

I'd like to add something...

Scorpion is right on a lot of things. I haven't really truly looked into Atkins but I've been reading and experimenting for like 20 years. I go by science based diet that is published in papers. I prefer something that would prevent diabetes and heart disease in the long run and something that is easy to stick to. Paleo diet is probably best all around based on clinical studies for heart disease and diabetes. Unfortunately, big food businesses and drug businesses don't go by science and just rips us off to try and get us to buy crappy "health" food when they aren't really healthy. Pasta, bread, oatmeal cereal, etc anything that are refined carbohydrates. Even sports juice or any drinks with fructose based drinks.

Here is a pretty good website - this guy looks at nutritional studies very carefully and explains to us why it's right or wrong because those papers tend to be ...wordy and boring. It's like foreign language to most people. [link to wholehealthsource.blogspot.com]

There are many many many more blogs covering everything. Even showed papers that saturated fat is not the real culprit for heart disease but it is the excessive amount of refined carbs. It's really all about controlling blood sugar level. No difference than other low carbs diet. Just minor differences over food selections.

[link to heartscanblog.blogspot.com] - the guy who runs it is a cardiologist with tons of knowledge in nutrition which is very rare. Most are idiots when it comes to nutrition in depth. He advocates a diet something similar to Paleo Diet because that's what he saw made biggest improvement in his patients' health. He does everything right. He use right kind of cholesterol test called NMR which is much more accurate and can measure LDL small particles which most commonly used calculated cholesterol test can't do at all. The dirty secret is that the excessive amount of carbs can raise small LDL particle level very very very high. It's directly responsible for plaque build up in the arteries. Make sure your doctor use NMR, not calculated cholesterol test!

I've read everything for 20 years so it's really all about controlling blood sugar level if you want to have long quality life. Everything we hear from MSM is bullshit. It's totally opposite. The food pyramid should be upside down for sure. Ignore American Dietetic Association, American Diabetic Association, American Heart Association, etc at all costs. They suck and rips us off with high carbs, low fat bullshit diet which have been proved to be bad for you over and over and over.

It starts with Syndrome X, an imbalance in your Endocrine system which in turn screws with your Metabolism which in turn screws your Pancreas.

But overall, quickly scanned your post without opening your websites, you are right.

It's quite easy to reverse the process, also if you have Diabetes II and a little harder when you have Diabetes I, but definitely possible.

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Yep .... that first line sums it up exactly.

I see you are from Holland. I am in Holland quite often on business and never cease to be amazed that Holland seems to have the lowest number of overweight people that I have seen anywhere in Europe.

But then you guys eat a lot of cheese and ride bikes everywhere :)

Any other pointers to why Holland seems to do so well relative to the rest of Europe?

If Low Carb is so good for you, how come...

- The "Livin La Vida Low Carb" guy is still obese after years and years of low carb livin?

- Most low carb experts are obese and/or overweight?

- When you check out the popular low carb forums online, it's full of people with health problems that didn't go away when they went low carb, including candida, high cholesterol, and many other illnesses?

- Most people end up gaining the weight back because they get sick and tired of fat, cream and meat?


I personally ended up in the hospital TWICE while on low carb diets because it messed up my kidneys and drained my electrolytes.

Meat is extremely acidic to the body and builds up in the colon over the years. Ask anyone who has gone vegetarian, they experience a bit of 'meat detox' - that is, their colons empty all the stored crap (literally) from over the years.


Sorry, but I think the high fat/low carb diet is just another way to allow yourself to pig out and be gluttonous. Mankind doesn't need all that crap, fat and protein running through their blood. How will you ever learn moderation or portion control while eating everything in sight?

If Low Carb is so good for you, how come...

- The "Livin La Vida Low Carb" guy is still obese after years and years of low carb livin?

- Most low carb experts are obese and/or overweight?

- When you check out the popular low carb forums online, it's full of people with health problems that didn't go away when they went low carb, including candida, high cholesterol, and many other illnesses?

- Most people end up gaining the weight back because they get sick and tired of fat, cream and meat?


I personally ended up in the hospital TWICE while on low carb diets because it messed up my kidneys and drained my electrolytes.

Meat is extremely acidic to the body and builds up in the colon over the years. Ask anyone who has gone vegetarian, they experience a bit of 'meat detox' - that is, their colons empty all the stored crap (literally) from over the years.


Sorry, but I think the high fat/low carb diet is just another way to allow yourself to pig out and be gluttonous. Mankind doesn't need all that crap, fat and protein running through their blood. How will you ever learn moderation or portion control while eating everything in sight?

Scorpion, can you advise one or more books that cover the knowledge you present? I really would like to dig into it but am not able to concentrate good enough on a screen, I need paper. Thanks!

OP, haven't read the whole thread so I apologize if someone has already mentioned this, but Vitamin D3 is amazing in helping the body breakdown fats and sugars. If you are over 40, your ability to make Vitamin D with sunshine drops drastically, hence we start to gain weight. And I take more than the "recommended" 400 IU a day - I started pumping it up to 2,000 IU a day and the weight started to just drop off with no effort. And yeah, we eat lamb shanks and steak and pork crackling and put butter on the fresh organic beans/carrots, etc, from the garden. Just heard on the news the other day that Cdn government is recommending that people with arthritis not eat the "nightshade" family of plants, including tomatoes, red and green peppers, potatoes, etc. I thought to myself "what BS is this?" I grow my own peppers and purple potatoes (the original potato from Peru) and of course tomatoes - so if they are telling us not to eat them, they must be very good for you! Actually it's pretty funny. They've lied to us for so long that now they are inadvertently telling the truth, just as long as we do the opposite of what is "recommended" - too funny!

If Low Carb is so good for you, how come...

- The "Livin La Vida Low Carb" guy is still obese after years and years of low carb livin?

- Most low carb experts are obese and/or overweight?

- When you check out the popular low carb forums online, it's full of people with health problems that didn't go away when they went low carb, including candida, high cholesterol, and many other illnesses?

- Most people end up gaining the weight back because they get sick and tired of fat, cream and meat?


I personally ended up in the hospital TWICE while on low carb diets because it messed up my kidneys and drained my electrolytes.

Meat is extremely acidic to the body and builds up in the colon over the years. Ask anyone who has gone vegetarian, they experience a bit of 'meat detox' - that is, their colons empty all the stored crap (literally) from over the years.


Sorry, but I think the high fat/low carb diet is just another way to allow yourself to pig out and be gluttonous. Mankind doesn't need all that crap, fat and protein running through their blood. How will you ever learn moderation or portion control while eating everything in sight?

Oh, and don't forget, if you are using honey, avoid the ones from big companies and especially honey from China - the big boys and the Chinese are cutting honey with HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP. Get your honey from a health food store and check the source! Many have switched from sugar to honey and "they" know this, so be really careful to know the source of any honey you consume. We're lucky here in BC, there are many small outfits that produce amazing honeys from different flowers, and once you taste them, you'd never eat "Billy Bee" again!

Very interesting on the skim milk advice. I use nonfat whipped cream to add to my coffee every morning. Maybe I should buy the regular one instead.

You don't EVER have bread, OP?! I'm about to go eat some sourdough right now, my favorite, but I only have bread several times a week. Can't totally give it up.