If you want to be thin and stay thin (and avoid Metabolic Syndrome), then you have to eat high fat

Try a fat fast to jump start your body into a ketogenic state, if you've stopped losing.

Hi

Anyone tried intermitent fasting that is fast 16hrs eat for 8 hours to break the stall.

Cheers
ubetido

This thread rocks so much and I want to thank everyone who has posted their success stories of turning their health around through nutrition and their diet.

It's very inspirational and motivational.

I was feeling especially proud of my progress today, and did get a bunch of exercise and am appreciating my figure and how strong and flexible I feel. Nice to feel better at this age now than I did ten or even twenty years ago.

Hi ya VT.

I have reached a new stage in my progress with this diet. I have been on it for 8 1/2 months now. I work hard for a living{carpenter) and for years I never felt like exercising. I would be so exhausted after work that I was basically a couch potato from the time I got home till I passed out. For about three weeks now I have started to add sit-ups and push-ups into my daily routine. I am 56 years old and I have energy like I haven't seen in 20 years.

I feel like a new man!

Hello,

I just wanted to say thank you very much for this information. I've been roaming this thread for quite some time. I just recently joined, and of the reasons why I did was to say thank you.

Although I still have questions at the back of my mind;
Like what could be the long term implications. Some also have mentioned about the kidney or liver taking a heavy load or something.

My uncle fairly recently died of cirrhosis of the liver. He drank alcohol, smoked and mainly ate a high carb diet. Rice is staple in The Philippines.

I saw much of his suffering and the pain this had caused to his family. Because of that, I somehow became much more aware of what I am eating and my habits.

Although I still smoke on and off, I'de like to get off it. It's really a crappy drug addiction.

I don't drink alcohol though. I used to back in college, I guess I didn't care for the taste too much.

Do you have any advice or any knowledge of what would be the benefit of this diet aside from the weight loss and good blood pressure?

Like for the kidney or liver? Do you know some people who have practiced this for years? And how they are doing now?

Kind regards :)

Wow, have just got back from holiday and amazed at the number of new posts on the thread.

Interesting too that the detractors have reappeared again rolling out some of the old rubbish about bad breath, heart attacks, kidney and liver issues, etc!

The facts are quite simple. ALL of our major diseases have glucose intolerance at their root. ALL of these major diseases are made worse by combining high fat with high carbohydrates. That is the the real killer. Carbs on a low fat diet are bad. Carbs in conjunction with high fat are far far worse. However, fat in the absence of carbs, producing a ketogenic state is the most amazing cure all for our body.

Most of the studies that claim high fat diets are bad for you are like 40% fat, 40% carbs and 20% protein. Yes, that is the fastest way to fatty liver diseases, obesity, heart disease, diabetes, etc. Eating 60% carbs, 20% fat, 20% protein will slow the damage, but only for long enough that big pharma can maximise it's profits by selling you diabetes drugs, statins, beta blockers and any number of anti-Metabolic Sydrome conditions.

Let's address one at a time - since they have all been addressed on this thread:

1) Heart disease - the biggest cause of heart disease is high blood sugars leading to glycation and oxidation of blood vessels and tissues, high triglycerides and oxidised vLDL cholesterol. Both of these are caused by eating high carbs, and triglycerides in particular are raised by 'natural' fructose sugars. Don't buy the crap that tries to claim it's all down to High Fructose Corn Syrup! HFCS is 55% fructose and 45% glucose. Table sugar is 50/50! That nice orange juice is 100% fructose in VERY LARGE volumes. Sure fire gout, central weight gain, fatty liver disease, diabetes and heart disease almost guaranteed!

2) Liver problems - a high fat diet does not cause liver problems. It reverses them. 1/3 of the liver damage caused during your lifetime is repaired on a ketogenic diet EVERY year. I have now been eating this way for 3 years. I had a badly damaged liver as indicated by very high morning blood sugars. My morning blood sugars, caused by liver insulin resistance, are now normal.

3) Kidney problems - high amounts of protein are not good for your kidneys. But this is NOT a high protein way of eating. This is about ADEQUATE protein to cope with your body repair needs. Most people need the equivalent of protein of about their ideal body weight in Kg converted to grammes on a daily basis. Mine is about 75kg so the ideal protein is 75g. I find that I can get away between 60g and 100g depending on my activity level. This is about 25-30% of calories. I posted some research earlier in the thread where it was established that total kidney failure in diabetics could be reversed on a ketogenic diet within just SIX WEEKS. Yes, from dialysis to normal kidney function in SIX WEEKS!

A ketogenic diet mimics the natural diet of many of the carnivores and most of our ancestors. It reduces reactive oxidative species (ROS) sometimes called oxidation, which all those anti-oxidants like vitamin C, vitamin E, coffee, wine, etc are supposed to fix. Of course, they deal with the symptoms of excessive oxidation. The ketogenic diet deals with it at CAUSE, which is why eskimo's and others can live on a 100% carb free diet for most of the year and never develop scurvy like the arctic explorers do. In fact, many of those explorers were cured of scurvy on an all meat and fish diet.

Yes, you may get bad breath if you don't drink plenty of water to dilute the acetone that is a by product of fat metabolism, but since you shan't have any dental decay (in fact your teeth remineralise in the absence of carbs) you will have a perfect smile :)

Last Edited by Sc0rp10n on 09/03/2011 12:17 PM

Hey HTP,

Thanks for your update. It is great to hear from you and so good to hear you are doing so well.

This is such a common story. I feel the same way actually.

It's funny, it is true to say that most people who exercise do so to work off the excess carbs they are consuming - but most people on this way of eating do it simply because they can and it feels good since you are brimming with energy!

Hi Ubetido,


The fat fast is much more effective than an all out fast. The problem with an all-out fast is that your body can slow down your metabolism by going into energy saving mode. This can make it much harder to then lose weight later.

The fat fast keeps small 200-250 low calorie meals coming on a regular basis, just enough to keep your body out of down shifting the metabolism. I used to try a fast before but have found this way to be much more effective. My record is 13lbs during a 5 day fat fast.

I have just been doing one since I put on 10 lbs overindulging on holiday (mainly alcohol, not carbs, but too much protein as well). I have already lost 7 lbs of it in the last few days and it should all be gone within the next two. It's great to be able to do this!!

BTW - discovered a few nice high fat cocktails on hols:

1) The Alexander - brandy, dark cacao liquer, Kahlua, Baileys and heavy cream.

2) Almond Flambe - Baileys, Kahlua, Amaretto and heavy cream

They are 'relatively' low carb. I tested myself with a ketostix when I got back and I was still mildly ketogenic despite consuming loads of these :)

Thanks KwittyKwitty and congratulations to both of you! That is excellent progress and it is so good to hear people sharing those stories. Like Vision Thing said it is inspirational and encourages others to give it a go.

It is truly amazing how doing the OPPOSITE of what our medical establishments recommends reverses these diseases they call incurable.

I have some good news to report as well.

During my holiday my psoraisis 100% cleared up! Hurray!! I have been living with this condition for over 20 years and everyone has always told me it's incurable.

Before I started this way of eating I had huge patches at the back of my scalp, round the ears, on my elbows and my knees - and some had just appeared on my back. They were slowly but surely getting worse.

Within a year of starting this, the elbows and the knees had reduced by about 50%. Within two years the knees were down to two smallish patches, one of the elbows had totally cleared and the bit around the ears was gone.

This year on holiday the other elbow has cleared, the patches on the knees are gone. All I have left is some at the back of the scalp. It is truly amazing.

Now, I think there are 2 factors to psoraisis. One is undoubtedly diet and I think it is yet another inflamatory condition caused by high carb. However, I now also think that the sun has something to do with it too.

In the UK we don't get much sunshine :( so have noticed that inbetween holidays the patches didn't reduce too much, after the initial huge reduction when I changed the way I eat. The big clearances have always taken place when I laid out in the sun on holiday. Possibly a Vitamin D thing here too.

But I am so happy to be finally psoraisis free on my body :)

This one has already been addressed. The issue with gall bladder removal has nothing to do with the liver. It can just be very difficult to achieve weight loss in the absence of a gall bladder since your bile salts are reduced by 7/8ths as a result of the gall bladder removal. For this reason many people experience huge weight gain after gall bladder removal, since they can no longer process the fats for energy.

There are other huge implications of this. Many of the vitamins and minerals are fat soluable. If you cannot emulsify the fats since there is not enough bile then you cannot metabolise those vitamins either. This can cause issues with bones (osteoporosis, arthritis, etc).

Some doctors, the good ones, who actually understand anything about nutrition, will recommend bile salt supplements that you can take with each meal. These will help to improve the fat metabolism.

Have a look for some of these supplements - they can be called bile salts or bile acid factors. These will enable your body to start utilising the fats you eat effectively again.

My mum, who has had her gall bladder removed, could never lose weight on low carb diets. The only one that has helped her to at least maintain her weight is a calorie controlled moderate fat, moderate protein and very low carb diet. She didn't change anything except add some bile salts and has now started to lose weight!!

i also want to say thank-you to scorpion and all the other contributors on this post. been on this way of eating for about 4 months the same day i checked my blood sugar level which was close to 300. my brother recently died from complications from diabetes and heart problem but as he was living with me at the time i still had all his blood sugar testing equipment by chance i stumbled onto this thread and it might have just saved my life. lost 45 lbs and still dropping blood sugar under 100 thank you everyone i have read this entire post many time just for the inspiration.this is by far the best post on the entire web

I've tried this diet several times, but, despite my weight loss, I never felt very good on it.

Instead, I've just tried cutting down on everything, but not cutting very much completely out, and seem to be doing OK. I was a bread addict, so that's what I cut out the most. Just little things, here and there. Fries? A few, once a week, or every two weeks. Toast every morning? No, only twice a week. More fruit, lowfat yogurt, and cottage cheese. How about Smartspread instead of butter once in a while? Pizza? Only one slice, not two or three, and maybe twice a month. Reintroduced myself to salad, with a reasonable dressing. I love garlic salt - what about Mrs. Dash instead? I want a Whopper! Ok, but no mayo, and leave of the top bun. I really like oatmeal, and that's okay - throw in some blueberries, and cut the portion in half.

Little things seem to be adding up..I feel a lot better, and I'm losing weight!

ooops should have loged in but also wanted to add im 47 male and was 220 now 175will keep you all updated from time to time and never even felt like i was on a diet i also drink a 30 pack of bush light every weekend but i always keep my other carbs below 20 mostly around ten still room for a lot of vegies not hard at all. thanks again

Last Edited by lucky8464 on 09/03/2011 04:48 PM

Thanks lucky :)

That is fantastic progress. 300 is a very high blood sugar for sure, so acting right away was definately important for you and of course being under 100 is fantastic - 100% normal!

I think there are a lot of people who are running huge blood sugars and are blissfully unaware until it's too late! Basically, if someone has been thin for years and then they start to put on weight, when nothing else has changed, then they are becoming insulin resistant. This is usually this first sign that something is wrong.

Isn't it funny that we call it "middle aged spread". It is actually a big flashing warning light - same calories, sometimes more exercise and yet weight goes up and it becomes very hard to lose it. Yep, the first sign that carbs can no longer be processed and are being stored. Next stops - diabetes, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, heart disease, cancer, etc!

If it works for you Celia D then it's fantastic! If you are losing weight and able to eat some carbs then it means that your glucose metabolism is not completely broken, which is good news. Besides, it sounds like you are not really having that much in carbs anyway.

I try to tell my kids that there is nothing wrong with eating carbs in moderation when you are young or still have a healthy metabolism. By moderation I mean about 100g a day. Far better to restrict when you are young and ensure that you can maintain a moderate level of carbs for life than have to suddenly get rid of them altogether when the lifetime carb overload overwhelms your systems ability to cope.

The recommended daily carbs total from nutritionists though are fuelling the obesity and health epidemics. 300 grams of carbs is beyond insane, that is what they recommend - this includes a crazy recommendation of 90g of sugar to top it all off! Yep, no wonder everyone is getting fatter and that metabolic syndrome diseases are rampant.

Having said all of that, I still have no doubt that for long term health and maximum longevity, avoiding carbs (except for about 20g a day from vegetables) is the key.

Thanks, nice one Emerald Eye :) Well done!!!

Here's to size 6 skinny jeans mmm

Thanks for the update. Amazing story :) especially like the bit about the old school friend.

Important point there about keeping going past week 3! The first 3 weeks are by far the hardest and I can tell you at Year 3 it's easy lol

And your last paragraph really sums up just why the mainstream are fighting so hard against this. It would totally alter our bloated and diseased world!

Yep - me too :)

Well done .... the key thing is not to be scared to experiment. These so called experts have scared the crap out of everyone and people avoid things that are perfectly good for them.

Thank you and well done on your weight loss and other health improvements.

Thanks Vision Thing, that's very sweet! The thread must have been pinned while I was on holiday - still trying to catch up on all the extra stuff and extra posts by people.

Yep, there are so many myths out there. I am almost at the point where I am inclined to do the opposite of whatever the "experts" tell us ... seems like a good strategy.

Loved the last line there on aliens - had me ROLF ing ;)

On the subject of smoking - my wife bought me a pipe for Xmas. I figure that most of the bad stuff in tobacco is in the paper, filters, etc and have really enjoyed the variety of tobacco's that I can smoke in a pipe. Yesterday I discovered something amazing.

There is some kind of pollen that gets released late August/early September that seriously irritates my nasal passages. Well, I discovered that smoking my pipe totally cleared out my nose, like within 10 minutes. It was incredible. Cigarettes didn't have the same effect, in fact they marginally increased the irritation. Repeated several times and found it works every time .... so very happy here :)

Nice to see you following this thread VT and your contributions. Best wishes to you and yours

Pretty overwhelmed here reading all the comments I missed on holiday.

Thanks everyone :)

A new video by Dr. Robert Lustig (Professor of Clinical Pediatrics, in the Division of Endocrinology Director of the Weight Assessment for Teen and Child Health Program at UCSF) well worth the hour and twenty minutes for anyone who still thinks that dietary fat is correlated with cardiovascular disease or obesity.

(P.S. Ignore his politics, focus instead on his biochemistry.)


[link to www.youtube.com]

Enjoy!!!

Last Edited by emerald eye on 09/04/2011 10:35 PM

Wow, incredible video ... nice one Emerald Eye, well worth the time spent watching this.

Thanks,

I think that he spends a little too much time at the end focusing on the politics of how to fix this, and has a little too much faith in the “integrity” of government, but his biochemistry lesson is amazing.

Even though he works through the biochemistry of obesity, heart disease, liver dysfunction, and diabetes all being related to various forms of sugar consumption, and not to fat consumption, he still slips at times with a “low fat”.

Old habits die hard, but the science of how sugar causes most of the common diseases of modern civilization is indisputable and for the most part suppressed largely due to the lobbying efforts of the multibillion-dollar food industry.

Hugs..

Ubetido,

If you are around then you should go to 41 minutes on the video posted by Emerald Eye. This very nicely explains the correlation between LDL and triglycerides when it comes to cardiovascular disease.

Basically if you have LOW triglycerides then you have large LDL. When you have high triglycerides then you have lots of the very low density LDL which is the culprit in heart disease.

This is why triglycerides correlate with heart issues far better than your cholesterol count does.

So, in some people a high fat diet may cause LDL to rise, but if this coincides with a collapse in triglyceride counts (which it always does) then the rise in LDL is NOT dangerous since it it not the vLDL variety that is the bad actor in CVD.

Have a look, it's well worth it.

Last Edited by Sc0rp10n on 09/05/2011 01:06 PM

I found his analysis on High Fructose Corn Syrup compared to table sugar very interesting. I believe HFCS is a huge smokescreen to divert attention away from fructose being a culprit full stop.

So many people are fingering HFCS as the cause of the obesity epidemic that this substance is looking like the straw man 'fall guy'.

He points out that HFCS is 55% fructose to 45% glucose, while normal sugar is 50/50. Furthermore, 'healthy' fruit juices that are often excluded from the 'blame' for obesity are often 100% fructose.

The fact is fructose is as systemically damaging as alcohol, except only alcoholics would drink alcohol to anywhere near the quantities that fruit juices are consumed!

When the average fructose consumption is running at 80gm a day, as opposed to less than 15gm per day pre-WW1, that extra 5% in added HFCS as opposed to added sugar is neither here or there!

I think I have already posted this study which showed that low-carb, high fat dieters shed 10 lbs in 45 days, while those eating a calorie restricted low fat diet took 70 days. But what is really useful is the table at the bottom that shows the amount of fructose found in various fruits:

[link to www.foodconsumer.org]

The only fruits I use on the list are lemons are limes, but I was fascinated to see how low cranberries were on the list, with one cup of cranberries almost equal to one lemon!

Can see a new low-carb, low fructose cranberry sauce recipe coming up for the turkey for this Christmas :)

This is classic misinformation! The problem with low carb diets is if the level of protein is too high - like The Dukan Diet which is essentially a high protein, low carb, low fat diet. This is actually worse for you than a low fat, high carb diet.

You have missed the point of the thread. This is a HIGH-FAT, adequate protein, very low carb diet. Some call it a ketogenic diet, but it doesn't necessarily have to be!

Low Carbohydrate High Fat Ketogenic Diet May Reverse Kidney Failure in People with Diabetes
[link to healthimpactnews.com]

Low-carb, high-fat diet could replace dialysis
[link to www.msnbc.msn.com]

The most common cause of kidney failure and the need for dialysis is DIABETES - a degenerative process called nephropathy, a consequence of glycation of cells in the kidneys. Diabetes is a direct consequence of eating too many carbs ... simple!

The amazing outcome of this study is not just that kidney destruction is halted .... it is REVERSED ... to the point where as the MSNBC article points out it could replace the need for dialysis!

AND IN JUST SIX WEEKS!


This diet is the most kidney protective way of eating.

But then as already demonstrated - it's also neuroprotective and cardioprotective as well! Not to mention it boosts the immune system, repairs the liver from fructose abuse and reduces risk of cancer.

The weight loss is merely an added bonus :)