If you want to be thin and stay thin (and avoid Metabolic Syndrome), then you have to eat high fat

Interesting link.

I recently came across something similar with mild dietary ketosis being beneficial in maintaining glutathione levels. This was in reference to the detoxification of mercury, but I will also link it here. The whole video series is pretty interesting if you have time.


[link to www.youtube.com]


My thread on this is here if anyone is interested:

Thread: Reversing Alzheimer's disease, mercury toxicity, and mercury containing vaccination.


Keep up the good work on this thread.

Last Edited by emerald eye on 10/13/2011 03:26 AM

This guy is pretty lucky, huh? Every time I try eating candy now I put on a few pounds..


Thread: I've Lived 40 Years Of My Life Eating Almost Nothing But Sweets

either he is trolling or has a metabolism anomaly

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Just want to say Thank you again! Lost 28 pounds already since I started this, 3 - 2 months ago!

Really good thread!

Fantastic! Well done.

You know, it's funny, we are in the process of moving house and I was going through old photographs and I had almost forgotten how my weight has yo-yo'd over the years.

I pretty much varied between 168 pounds and 238 pounds over the last 25 years or so. And it shows from year to year. In most of the pictures I look hugely overweight, but every now and then a picture appears in the chronology when I was not too bad. However, these never lasted long!! lol

What amazes me most is actually how I have managed to stay below 170 lbs for over 3 years now! This is pretty unbelievable when I look at how I have been over the years. This is the greatest gain of all - a plan that not just gets the weight off, but one that can keep it off.

Oh and it was nice seeing a picture of me at 21 and realising that I am now thinner than I was then :) That was cool!

Just came across this. Not really about diet but another great indication of how Big Pharma is actually about making and keeping us sick.

State of health of unvaccinated children
[link to www.vaccineinjury.info]

I was pretty much the vaccine generation, where we were brought up to believe in the panacea of vaccination! But then we also had the panacea of the so-called "healthy diet" so I suppose I shouldn't be too surprised.

But I was totally shocked by these numbers, showing that vaccinated kids are many many more times likely to get illneses and diseases, to suffer from allergies and also conditions such as asthama!

These people selling us all this shit supposedly for our benefit are SICK SICK SICK! And our Governments are CRIMINALS for playing along with them!

I was just browing around another low carb forum and was fascinated by one of the posts there about how LDL cholesterol is calculated and not actually measured.

It brought to mind some comments about Ubetido about the bloodworks that he had done which showed a rise in his cholesterol. Well, according to the calculated method it always will when triglycderids drop. Here is the explanation from there:

"People don't understand that LDL is not routinely measured but rather is calculated using the Friedewald equation: LDL = total cholesterol - HDL - Triglycerides divided by 5 (which is actually the calculated VLDL.)

From this you can see that as triglycerides drop, LDL AUTOMATICALLY goes up! Doing Atkins quite frequently raises LDL, but it's only because Atkins consistently LOWERS triglycerides. At the same time, the LDL that are present are most likely Pattern A LDL, the "good" LDL which are larger, fluffy, buoyant, and the kind less likely to oxidize and cause problems.

For example:

Total Cholesterol 320
HDL 60
Triglycerides 500 divided by 5 = 100
Calculated LDL 160


Total Cholesterol 320
HDL 60
Triglycerides 150 divided by 5 = 30
Calculated LDL 230


Total Cholesterol 320
HDL 60
Triglycerides 50 divided by 5 =10
Calculated LDL 250

Ss you can see, merely lowering or raising triglycerides will lower or raise LDL, whether LDL actually changed or not. If you have copies of previous cholesterol tests, and the results include triglycerides and HDL, do your own calculations.

When triglycerides go up, so does the VLDL. High triglycerides also means high VLDL; low triglycerides means low VLDL. VLDL (very low density lipoprotein) is a dangerous lipoprotein, so it's a good idea to lower triglycerides...if one believes that cholesterol causes heart disease.

There are good LDL and bad LDL particles. Pattern A is considered the good LDL. Pattern B is considered the bad LDL. Therefore, ratios that have anything to do with LDL are meaningless. The ratio would only be relevant if there is no such thing as good LDL, and if the LDL was the only lipoprotein reflected in an LDL result.

Also, because the LDL is calculated, everything that isn't HDL and VLDL gets lumped under LDL, whether it's LDL or not. There are other lipoproteins that aren't measured and these are lumped under the LDL. Therefore, the calculated LDL number is misleading, and doesn't really mean much.


So, just what exactly does it mean LDL "went up?" It means absolutely nothing! The only way to know your true risk from LDL is to have the LDL particles measured and quantified. You have to ask specifically for the LDL to be measured. If you've been adequately controlling generated blood sugar and eating enough saturated fat, your LDL particle will most likely be LDL Pattern A."

So that would totally explain why high triglyderides correlate with heart disease whilst simple LDL measurements do not.

And it also means that the bigger the fall in triglycerides, the bigger the rise in LDL will appear to be!

Very fascinating and fills in a big piece of the jigsaw.

Here's the link

[link to forum.lowcarber.org]

Your welcome. Let us know how you get on.

Love this topic .... and am just wondering if ricebran oil is a healthy/safe oil to use for cooking?

hi scorpion, it took 4 days of fasting, but I finally entered ketosis.

according to the ketosis stick, I am in MODERATE state, which is 3 of 5. there are two higher states, ironically labelled HIGH. numbered 40 in the us...HIGH is 80 and 160 respectively.

should one strive to get to the highest states and stay there? day 5 and the hunger pangs have subsided so continuing the fast isn't that big of a deal.

thanks

Hi,

No, I don't think it matters whether you are in the higher or lower states. It will actually vary over time anyway. The mere presence of a good level of ketones indicates that insulin secretions are very low, so you are now using fat for energy and that means both body fat and dietary fat.

I presume by fast you mean that you have been doing the fat fast. It's not a good thing to go beyond 5-6 days with the fat fast, or any fast, since all that happens is the body then goes into starvation mode and downgrades your metabolism, so if the aim is to lose weight then eating too few calories can stop weight loss just as effectively as eating too many.

When I come off a fat fast I usually do it quite slowly over 2-3 days - adding calories in increments of 400 or so and getting the protein intake back to where it needs to be for healthy body maintenance i.e about 1g for every kg of body weight at your ideal weight.

Hi,

Here is a link to a wikipedia piece on ricebran oil:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

It is a mainly monounsaturated oil (with 47%), but it still does have a high polyunsaturated content at 33%. I wouldn't personally want to use too much of anything that is that high in poly.

It does look like it has a high smoke point, but that is not the only factor in suitability for cooking. Saturated fats tend to be damaged much less by cooking than all unsaturated fats and I would be much more comfortable with either palm oil or coconut oil if you want to use a vegetable oil for cooking.

Hi Guys,

The level of ketosis best for the human metabolism is covered in this video.



[link to www.youtube.com]

(I can't seem to get the video to embed, but it is in my post earlier on the page)



(#5 out of #9 starting at around 1:17 for those who like to cut to the chase)

Discussion paraphrased:

This discusses (beta)hydroxybutyrate ( 75-80%) versus ketobutyrate (20%). Ideally one should not produce acetone. However in those who are unhealthy (those who are impaired by not using this pathway for decades,) the risk of acetone generation is increased.

Acetone it is not a fuel, and must be remmoved by the lungs producing acetone breath. Acetone can also participate in unhealthy cross-linking reactions, and therefore its production should be minimized. (In avoiding acetone breath, you can ask a friend or loved one if your breath smells like acetone)

The non-prescription urine test strips do not detect hydroxybutyrate (the more preferred form by the body) but they do detect ketobutyrate. They also react with acetone providing a false elevation of the level. Therefore you should stay away from the strongest readings on he OTC urine test strips especially if you have “acetone breath”.

[link to www.mayomedicallaboratories.com]



When I first started limiting the unhealthy carbs in my diet, I would get those very strong ketone readings. Later as my body became more efficient at burning fats, my test strips would only show a light color. I was frustrated because I did not realize that that actually showed a good thing, namely that my body was becoming more efficient at burning fat and my metabolism was actually getting healthier.

I therefore test less often, with greater confidence that by body is doing what it needs to do, and when I do test, I am happy with a very mild reading, I no longer shoot for the very dark reading.

One other important note:

If you are diabetic, and you are getting moderate or greater readings on ketones, always check your blood sugar as well. If both blood sugar (blood glucose level greater than 250 mg/dL) and ketones are high you need to seek medical help right away, as this could indicate diabetic ketoacidosis or DKA, which is a dangerous medical condition and not the same as a mild dietary ketosis, which is in fact a part of a healthy metabolism.

[link to emedicine.medscape.com]



Have a lovely Saturday, everyone

Last Edited by emerald eye on 10/22/2011 11:44 AM

Thats a very interesting find there Emerald Eye. I have found the same observation as you that I now only get moderate ketosis showing on the ketostix, irrespective of what I am eating. Pleased to find out that this is actually a good thing :)

Hi

If anyone could offer an explanation i would appreciate it.

This is how i am eating at the moment:
beef/lamb
eggs
cheese
macadamias/almonds
Butter
salsa

Ist meal:
3 eggs and some cheese

2nd meal
around 50g cream cheese and about 20 macadamias and almonds combined

3rd meal
beef about 125g
some brussels or cauli.
some cheese

At times the brussels give me really painful cramps is this because i am not used to them?

whilst i don't crave sweet things, if there around i tend to pick up and eat.

Also at times drink things like muscat and port

I have coffee with no sugar only milk but at times i have to put a couple of teaspoons of sugar in especially my first coffee of the day.


The problem i am having, is i tend to eat sweets (lollies or biscuits if there around (Mainly at work.

What is happening to me when i do this if i am in ketosis does it upset things, confuse the body of its energy source?

I am trying to work out why i have these tendencies, why with what i eat i am not getting saitiated.

Last check was not diabetic.

Eating as i have described could a lack of sugar as in glucose from carbs be the cause. I have vlc in my diet.

I have not lost any weight at all and haven't lost any body fat....grrrrrrr
Just can't seem to find the trigger.

Cheers
Ubetido

Last Edited by ubetido on 10/23/2011 04:10 AM

appreciate the excellent info EE...I will check it out.

looks like the low carb plan works well for you

Scorpion...when I referred to the fast, it was a total fast for 5 days. I generally do one a few times a year just to give the digestive system some downtime.

I was fortunate to come across your thread and just starting to embrace the low carb lifestyle. Haven't read the entire thread yet, but is there any reason I can't entirely eliminate the carbs? I do fine on protein and oil.

for me, eating small amounts keeps the desire alive and is like "dancing with the devil"

one other question scorpion...

does it matter if the daily protein comes in a lump amount. or does it have to be broken down into increments.

?

I like tuna, and one can is about a daily serving. spouse doesnt like the smell in the refrigerator so eating in one sitting works well. is there a downside? Is it optimal to eat the oil and protein at the same time in the stated ratios?

good karma to you, mr scorpion!

Increments is very important. I tend to break it down these days to about 4-6 daily helpings.

In many ways protein behaves like glucose but to a lesser degree and over a longer period. I have sometimes called anything beyond adequate protein to be nothing but the ultimate slow release carb :)

The body will use as much protein as it needs at that moment in time for body repairs, etc. Any excess is converted to glucose in a process called gluconeogenesis. That is why resistance exercise is so good. It hugely increases the body's uptake of protein to repair and build new muscle.

People who's liver has become damaged by years of carb abuse, especially fructose, will have very low insulin sensitivity and their liver will pump out huge amounts of glucose by gluconeogenesis. For diabetics this is a huge problem since it causes huge surges in blood sugars at the most unexpected times (esp. mornings). Diabetics actually appear to be benefit most from resistance exercise and I think one of the reasons is that by mopping up the excess protein it takes some pressure off a damaged liver.

So, it's only excess protein that gets converted to glucose and it's a slow process that can take anywhere between 3 and 6 hours.

Therefore splitting into lots of smaller helpings maintains the flow through your system, minimising peaks and troughs.

I have got so used to this way of eating that I now actually struggle with finishing a big meal! Three course meals that I used to eat frequently are totally out .... just not enough stomach room for it and it feels really unpleasant after.

Interesting. I had not thought of a protein as being a slow release carb. I will have to rethink how I intake protein.

Do the carbs, fats and protein need to be consumed together for synergistic reasons? Or do they break down and go their separate ways (no cross reactions)?

long distance runners often do "carb loading" before a race which I always thought was suspect. Sounds like protein loading might be better?

Actually, if you were going to run a marathon, what ratios would you eat for fat, carbs and protein?

Do you have any idea of the transit time for protein to be digested and then used for muscle/body repair.

Will this way of eating work on everybody.

true EE, however, the asians ferment the soy and make tofu, which removes the detrimental aspects of the soy.

however, the americans have embraced soy (and soy fillers) and its causing a lot of health problems.

So far the only people I have found who struggle with it are those who have had their gall bladder removed and this seems to impair the fat metabolism. It is also much more difficult for some people than others to lose weights. Depends on how much damage has already been done, though I think someone who perserveres with this will start to repair any such damage and still see results even if much more slowly (in terms of weight).

I always eat real butter on my toast
Red meats reguarly
Fatty fish such as salmon
But on the other hand I also eat lots of fruit and grains
I drink two liter of water each day
(often in the form of fresh lemonjuice with water or green tea)
Take my bicycle to work instead of the bus or car
And i love cheese ,I'm addicted to cheese

... I'm a thin person

Excellent advise.

Are you a man though?

Hi all

Marksdailyapple which is a paleo website indicates that we need around 60-100g of carbs vegetables etc to lose weight.

If not losing weight eat more vegetables


Scorpion says we need 20g or less based on his research.

If not losing weight decrease protein and increas fat.


Certainly varied opinions around.

Regards
ubetido

Sorry I came in late, but just a quick question.

Do you HAVE to eat that many calories a day to lose?

Could you eat less and still lose the weight, or does the ratio demand it be that high to work?

It varies from person to person. Calories do count to a degree but there is a 'calorie bonus' of about 400-1000 calories that you can eat above what they recommend these days.

I wouldn't recommend going below 1,500 calories unless you are in a stall and doing the fat fast and then for no more than 5-6 days. Cutting back on calories can push your body into energy conservation and reduce your metabolic rate, thus making it harder to lose weight.

For most people who need to lose a lot of weight - like 50-100 pounds counting calories is totally counter-productive on this way of eating since this diet takes away hunger and the body naturally starts sending out 'full signals' in the absence of carbs. It's one of the most common comments that people never feel hungry when eating this way, you actually have to make yourself eat.

It's only when you get to about 15-20 pounds from target that calories can become important and then again only for some people. Some people can drop to normal weight with no calorie control needed at all.

I hope that helps.

Thanks for responding, I'm probably making this more complicated than it needs to be but here goes anyway.

Ok, I weigh 217 pounds right now, I want to get down to my ideal weight at around 170-175.

I started out today eating three eggs fried in butter, and had a little over an ounce of cheese maybe an hour later, filled me up very nicely) I was going to make up a can of tuna with mayonnaise and green olives a little while ago, but if I do that I will be approaching 70 grams of protein before dinner even gets here.

To lose it as fast as possible, could you give me calories, protein and fat requirements that I need?

I have pretty much cut out all carbs, and fast walk about 2 miles every day, along with a small workout for muscle toning (situps, pushups, leg lifts, etc)

Thanks for this info, my wife is going on this program too.