If you want to be thin and stay thin (and avoid Metabolic Syndrome), then you have to eat high fat

I guess what I'm saying is that I am finding it difficult to get to that amount of calories that you suggest without going over on the protein.

I have had around 450 calories with the foods I have mentioned earlier and I still feel quite full and not hungry.

The total protein I have taken today to go with those calories was around 32 grams.

Use oil, lots and lots of oil. I think olive oil for 1 tablespoon is 14g Fat, 0g Carbs, 0g Protein.

Isn't that just for extra energy though?

Do you actually need it to make this program work?

What about vegetable oil?

You need to keep the ratio's in check. For me being 6' and ideal weight of 180 I'm eating 240g Fat, 80g Protein and 20g Carbs. I've lost about 20lbs in one month and 10lbs the following month.

Avoid

Try using nut oils instead.

Is it the polyunsaturated fats in veggie oil that are bad?

I think I remember Scorpion saying that saturated and monounsaturated are the best right?

If you don't mind me asking, what is the problem with polyunsaturated fats? Why avoid?

When was the last time you ate an oily vegetable? Vegetable oil needs heat and sometimes chemicals to be extracted. Also the ratio of Omega 3 to Omega 6 is too high and the vegetable oil will actually be inflammatory.

Cool, thanks. I'm getting the hang of this now.

I am understanding now that I am basically going to have to drink like 4 oz. of olive oil per day to even get close to the amount of fat that I need.

Something else I realized in his original post was that he mentioned fats and calories don't really matter as long as you're watching the proteins and carbs. Yet I need to get above 1500 calories so that I don't go into starvation mode.

Is the fat purely for needed energy then?

The goal of this kind of eating is to get your body off of using carbohydrates for fuel to going back to how we used to fuel our bodies, and that is by fat. That's what ketosis is, is the breaking down of body fat to be used as fuel.

Scorpion, or anybody really...could you maybe give me an example of what your menu looks like on any given day?

I am similar to your present weight and ideal weight and was just curious as to how you pack that many calories and fat grams away per day.

Hi, I am 5'7", female, need to lose 40 pounds, goal of 150.

B:
2 cups decaf, 3 tsp cream each
3 eggs cooked in 10 gr butter, and 1 tb cream

L:
3 cups iceberge lettuse with 2 Tb mayo type dressing I make
And 100 gr tuna and parsely with 1 Tb mayo mixed

D:
200 gr lean burger, 2 Tb mayo, 200 gr cuccumbers

Around 1590 calories, 75 protein, 10 carbs, 130 fat.
Yeah, I should do more fat but, I am losing about half a pound to a pound a day now into my 3rd week.

Steady as she goes, matey!

Can cod liver oil be counted towards daily fat intake? (I take 1-2 tablespoons per day during winter)

Yes, especially for the Vit D.

Good fats

Saturated: Animal fats from meat, milk, butter, eggs, cheese, lard(pork fat), tallow(beef and lamb fat).

Tropical Oils: Coconut and Palm oil.

Monounsaturated: Olive oil.

Polyunsaturated: Fish oil.



Bad fats. Do not eat!

Polyunsaturated: Vegetable oils( corn, soy, peanut, sunflower, canola, cottonseed, safflower.)

Trans fats: Margarine, Crisco, used in bakery products, snack chips, imitation cheese and other processed foods.

Read this for full discussion of fats: [link to www.lewrockwell.com]


Go here for U.S.(english) website for Optimal Diet. Huge amounts of info and links; plus a 7 day menu with recipes:
[link to homodiet.netfirms.com]

I highly recommend the "cheese pancakes".

The cheese pancakes are made from a pound of cheese, a dozen eggs, a bit of flour and baking powder, fried in 1" of lard.

2-3 of these pancakes will keep your motor running for a solid 7-8 hours. I top mine with cream cheese and a teaspoon of marmalade.

I purchase coconut oil and palm oil from these guys:

[link to www.wildernessfamilynaturals.com]

Wrong thread dude, you're eating WAY to many carbs for this diet.

One cheese pancake has 2grams carbs.

hi scorpion...i've been in ketosis about two weeks and noticed that when I sweat it smalls like ammonia.

my carbs are down to about 5-10 per day. is that too low?

any concern from the ammonia smell??

also eating a fair amount of sesame oil. any issues with this oil? (uncooked)

Wonder why a doctor has not advocated this diet? This thread is in all conspiracy websites...everywhere.

Wonder why? A "decidedly one" person decides against the many health professionals.... that eating high fat is good for you?!

Do your own research. Be reasonable.

yeah...medical folks are really good at what they do!

look at their success rates at alomst anything other than setting broken bones.

people know the MD's are tools of the pharma industry...and that pharms is only in it for the $$...like bankers who got a little too greedy

get a clue, moran

Ive been on the diet for 10 days. Over the last 3-4 days Ive gotten a runny nose and am sneezing a lot. Is this connected in any way to the diet? Someone told me that its my body getting rid of toxins and also could be fat melting.
For 10 days my clothes have gotten loose - I havent weighed myself as I dont want what I see on the scale to demotivate me. Id rather go by how I fit into the clothes I wear.
While Im happy with my progress, Im concerned about the sneezing...

This article [link to www.lewrockwell.com] is by a cardiac surgeon and head of cardiac surgery at Washington University. 17 pages tracing the origins of the "lipid hypothesis", and his conversion from it to the high fat diet. He even eats two tablespoons of coconut oil to start off his day.

pmub

I have been on essentially a zero carb diet for the last 4 weeks (in a few days) after reading Scorpions thread.

The only modification is that I am getting the saturated fats from sources other than animal meat, as I was an ovo lacto vegetarian before starting...

I feel like I am slowly emerging from a mental fog...not there yet, but occasional moments of clarity. My daily eating habits have completely changed and I think this is the first time in my life that I eat when I am truly hungry...not for pleasure or from boredom. It is a liberating experience!

I think that the carb addiction ended in earnest after about 2 weeks. I don't crave them anymore at all.

I started the first week with a 5 day complete fast...nothing but water. I believe that helped clear out my system and prepare me for a new way of eating. My current diet consists of sprouts, eggs, tuna/fish, shrimp, macadamia/peanuts/pine nuts/almonds or other high fat nuts. Lots of cream and cheese at every meal. It is a strange experience to shop for foods based on the highest fat content. I add lots of oil to the mix, avoiding the seed oils, except sesame. I am in the process of adding more high saturated oils to the diet as well.

I am going to make this diet a long term thing. Seriously, I really can't imagine eating how I did my entire life with lots of carbs..they dont even appeal to me anymore. I didn't weigh myself before or along the way, but I would say at the outset I was probably 5-10 pounds over my ideal weight. I can definitely feel a difference since starting and have probably lost a few pounds of body FAT. Maybe more. I am also starting to feel more energy so I will be adding some exercise to the routine when that picks up a little more.

I will check in after another 4 weeks and report my progress.

A sincere thank you to scorpion and the posters who have contributed their experiences