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# the concept of time (the happening)

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According to the Shuowen Jiezi from Xu Shen: “Drop waters from a copper/bronze container with water inside. The time spent is measured. We can thus divide a whole day into 100 measures.”
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08/14/2010 04:17 AM
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there is also.... ummmm..."metronomic time"... a constant beat happening after each change in the happening...

Heart of Thermodynamics....
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nicely put
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According to the Shuowen Jiezi from Xu Shen: “Drop waters from a copper/bronze container with water inside. The time spent is measured. We can thus divide a whole day into 100 measures.”
Quoting: Sugarelf

can you elaborate?
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"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one."~Albert Einstein
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According to the Shuowen Jiezi from Xu Shen: “Drop waters from a copper/bronze container with water inside. The time spent is measured. We can thus divide a whole day into 100 measures.”

can you elaborate?
Quoting: DrEaMz

it is a system of checks and balances....

it is kind of hard to grasp at first -- being the true Chinese Water Torture....

basically, the water measures the 'beat' of our reality....our place in time, so-to-speak....
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08/14/2010 04:41 AM
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More on the mechanics....

....In the Far East, mechanized astronomical/astrological clock making developed from 200 to 1300 CE. Third-century Chinese clepsydras drove various mechanisms that illustrated astronomical phenomena.

One of the most elaborate clock towers was built by Su Sung and his associates in 1088 CE. Su Sung's mechanism incorporated a water-driven escapement invented about 725 CE.

The Su Sung clock tower, over 30 feet tall, possessed a bronze power-driven armillary sphere for observations, an automatically rotating celestial globe, and five front panels with doors that permitted the viewing of changing manikins which rang bells or gongs, and held tablets indicating the hour or other special times of the day....

basically, the Chinese 'timed' the cosmos with gravity....

but there is much more to it than that....
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According to the Shuowen Jiezi from Xu Shen: “Drop waters from a copper/bronze container with water inside. The time spent is measured. We can thus divide a whole day into 100 measures.”

can you elaborate?

it is a system of checks and balances....

it is kind of hard to grasp at first -- being the true Chinese Water Torture....

basically, the water measures the 'beat' of our reality....our place in time, so-to-speak....
Quoting: Sugarelf

so the constant change is happening... in the happening.

so that you an refer to the same point in time which is "now"
"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one."~Albert Einstein
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08/14/2010 04:44 AM
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....and five front panels with doors that permitted the viewing of changing manikins which rang bells or gongs, and held tablets indicating the hour or other special times of the day....
Quoting: Sugarelf

Time is the fifth element....

It is not 'Father Time', it is 'Son Time'....no religious connections intended with that statement....just that Time is a secondary concept....

most view time as a primary concept....
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08/14/2010 04:45 AM
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More on the mechanics....

....In the Far East, mechanized astronomical/astrological clock making developed from 200 to 1300 CE. Third-century Chinese clepsydras drove various mechanisms that illustrated astronomical phenomena.

One of the most elaborate clock towers was built by Su Sung and his associates in 1088 CE. Su Sung's mechanism incorporated a water-driven escapement invented about 725 CE.

The Su Sung clock tower, over 30 feet tall, possessed a bronze power-driven armillary sphere for observations, an automatically rotating celestial globe, and five front panels with doors that permitted the viewing of changing manikins which rang bells or gongs, and held tablets indicating the hour or other special times of the day....

basically, the Chinese 'timed' the cosmos with gravity....

but there is much more to it than that....
Quoting: Sugarelf

like what?
"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one."~Albert Einstein
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08/14/2010 04:48 AM
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....and five front panels with doors that permitted the viewing of changing manikins which rang bells or gongs, and held tablets indicating the hour or other special times of the day....

Time is the fifth element....

It is not 'Father Time', it is 'Son Time'....no religious connections intended with that statement....just that Time is a secondary concept....

most view time as a primary concept....
Quoting: Sugarelf

without man, time would not exist.

time is... man measuring change (of a constant).
w/o man, no one will be there to do the calculating..of time

Last Edited by DrEaMz on 08/14/2010 04:53 AM
"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one."~Albert Einstein
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08/14/2010 04:49 AM
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According to the Shuowen Jiezi from Xu Shen: “Drop waters from a copper/bronze container with water inside. The time spent is measured. We can thus divide a whole day into 100 measures.”

can you elaborate?

it is a system of checks and balances....

it is kind of hard to grasp at first -- being the true Chinese Water Torture....

basically, the water measures the 'beat' of our reality....our place in time, so-to-speak....

so the constant change is happening... in the happening.

so that you an refer to the same point in time which is "now"
Quoting: DrEaMz

yes....but the change can be 'predicted'....

Music helps to understand....

we can sing: Do-re-me-fa-sol-la-te

or we can slow it down: do---re---me---fa---sol---la---te

either way, there is a constant rate of change that has nothing to do with speed or what most people think of as time....
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According to the Shuowen Jiezi from Xu Shen: “Drop waters from a copper/bronze container with water inside. The time spent is measured. We can thus divide a whole day into 100 measures.”

can you elaborate?

it is a system of checks and balances....

it is kind of hard to grasp at first -- being the true Chinese Water Torture....

basically, the water measures the 'beat' of our reality....our place in time, so-to-speak....

so the constant change is happening... in the happening.

so that you an refer to the same point in time which is "now"

yes....but the change can be 'predicted'....

Music helps to understand....

we can sing: Do-re-me-fa-sol-la-te

or we can slow it down: do---re---me---fa---sol---la---te

either way, there is a constant rate of change that has nothing to do with speed or what most people think of as time....
Quoting: Sugarelf

change can only be predicted if it is nonliving
"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one."~Albert Einstein
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....and five front panels with doors that permitted the viewing of changing manikins which rang bells or gongs, and held tablets indicating the hour or other special times of the day....

Time is the fifth element....

It is not 'Father Time', it is 'Son Time'....no religious connections intended with that statement....just that Time is a secondary concept....

most view time as a primary concept....

without man, time would not exist.

time is... man measuring change (of a constant).
w/o man, no one will be there to do the calculated..of time
Quoting: DrEaMz

yes....

it is a hard subject to put into words !!

you definately understand it....

I will be back after I gather my thoughts on this subject....
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....and five front panels with doors that permitted the viewing of changing manikins which rang bells or gongs, and held tablets indicating the hour or other special times of the day....

Time is the fifth element....

It is not 'Father Time', it is 'Son Time'....no religious connections intended with that statement....just that Time is a secondary concept....

most view time as a primary concept....

without man, time would not exist.

time is... man measuring change (of a constant).
w/o man, no one will be there to do the calculated..of time

yes....

it is a hard subject to put into words !!

you definately understand it....

I will be back after I gather my thoughts on this subject....
Quoting: Sugarelf

peace be with you young skywalker
"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one."~Albert Einstein
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....and five front panels with doors that permitted the viewing of changing manikins which rang bells or gongs, and held tablets indicating the hour or other special times of the day....

Time is the fifth element....

It is not 'Father Time', it is 'Son Time'....no religious connections intended with that statement....just that Time is a secondary concept....

most view time as a primary concept....

without man, time would not exist.

time is... man measuring change (of a constant).
w/o man, no one will be there to do the calculating..of time
Quoting: DrEaMz

Time as a concept may not exist without man to percieve it but a procession of events would still occur.

This would be akin to the "if a tree falls in the woods?" philosophical riddle.
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08/14/2010 04:57 AM
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change can only be predicted if it is nonliving
Quoting: DrEaMz

tell that to females....

females can time themselves with the sun....gives them a feeling of oneness with the universe, albeit sub-conciously....

I am assuming you are male like me....
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....and five front panels with doors that permitted the viewing of changing manikins which rang bells or gongs, and held tablets indicating the hour or other special times of the day....

Time is the fifth element....

It is not 'Father Time', it is 'Son Time'....no religious connections intended with that statement....just that Time is a secondary concept....

most view time as a primary concept....

without man, time would not exist.

time is... man measuring change (of a constant).
w/o man, no one will be there to do the calculated..of time

yes....

it is a hard subject to put into words !!

you definately understand it....

I will be back after I gather my thoughts on this subject....

peace be with you young skywalker
Quoting: DrEaMz

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08/14/2010 04:59 AM
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change can only be predicted if it is nonliving

tell that to females....

females can time themselves with the sun....gives them a feeling of oneness with the universe, albeit sub-conciously....

I am assuming you are male like me....
Quoting: Sugarelf

yes...yes i am
"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one."~Albert Einstein
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08/14/2010 05:01 AM
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change can only be predicted if it is nonliving

tell that to females....

females can time themselves with the sun....gives them a feeling of oneness with the universe, albeit sub-conciously....

I am assuming you are male like me....

yes...yes i am
Quoting: DrEaMz

the only thing that throws this off would be...new life!
"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one."~Albert Einstein
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"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one."~Albert Einstein
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08/14/2010 05:19 AM
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its 4:20
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What's that about? The lack of responses?

I posted a response on this thread earlier. It's up above.
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....and five front panels with doors that permitted the viewing of changing manikins which rang bells or gongs, and held tablets indicating the hour or other special times of the day....

Time is the fifth element....

It is not 'Father Time', it is 'Son Time'....no religious connections intended with that statement....just that Time is a secondary concept....

most view time as a primary concept....

without man, time would not exist.

time is... man measuring change (of a constant).
w/o man, no one will be there to do the calculating..of time

Time as a concept may not exist without man to percieve it but a procession of events would still occur.

This would be akin to the "if a tree falls in the woods?" philosophical riddle.
Quoting: banned 1020518

sorry dude..

it would happen...as a change in the happening...but time would not exist.
because man could not think....

time is an act of thinking...remembering what happened and recognizing a constant.

to get real deep...
"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one."~Albert Einstein
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What's that about? The lack of responses?

I posted a response on this thread earlier. It's up above.
Quoting: banned 1020518

sorry bout' that dude!
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....and five front panels with doors that permitted the viewing of changing manikins which rang bells or gongs, and held tablets indicating the hour or other special times of the day....

Time is the fifth element....

It is not 'Father Time', it is 'Son Time'....no religious connections intended with that statement....just that Time is a secondary concept....

most view time as a primary concept....

without man, time would not exist.

time is... man measuring change (of a constant).
w/o man, no one will be there to do the calculating..of time

Time as a concept may not exist without man to percieve it but a procession of events would still occur.

This would be akin to the "if a tree falls in the woods?" philosophical riddle.

sorry dude..

it would happen...as a change in the happening...but time would not exist.
because man could not think....

time is an act of thinking...remembering what happened and recognizing a constant.

to get real deep...
Quoting: DrEaMz

Time as a human concept would not exist. True. However, astronomical events would still occur in a procession of events, an order. From a linear starting point onward. There wouldn't be anyone around to recognize it but it would still occur.

If, let's say we use your model, this were an absolute, then the processes that took place to shape our galaxy and planet would be imperceptible to us today.

It is only that we understand that matter/energy flows in processions that we are able to look back to before humans were here and estimate a "time" frame.
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....and five front panels with doors that permitted the viewing of changing manikins which rang bells or gongs, and held tablets indicating the hour or other special times of the day....

Time is the fifth element....

It is not 'Father Time', it is 'Son Time'....no religious connections intended with that statement....just that Time is a secondary concept....

most view time as a primary concept....

without man, time would not exist.

time is... man measuring change (of a constant).
w/o man, no one will be there to do the calculating..of time

Time as a concept may not exist without man to percieve it but a procession of events would still occur.

This would be akin to the "if a tree falls in the woods?" philosophical riddle.

sorry dude..

it would happen...as a change in the happening...but time would not exist.
because man could not think....

time is an act of thinking...remembering what happened and recognizing a constant.

to get real deep...

Time as a human concept would not exist. True. However, astronomical events would still occur in a procession of events, an order. From a linear starting point onward. There wouldn't be anyone around to recognize it but it would still occur.

If, let's say we use your model, this were an absolute, then the processes that took place to shape our galaxy and planet would be imperceptible to us today.

It is only that we understand that matter/energy flows in processions that we are able to look back to before humans were here and estimate a "time" frame.
Quoting: banned 1020518

but that is still the act of a human thinking about the past.
"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one."~Albert Einstein
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