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the concept of time (the happening)

 
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....and five front panels with doors that permitted the viewing of changing manikins which rang bells or gongs, and held tablets indicating the hour or other special times of the day....


Time is the fifth element....


It is not 'Father Time', it is 'Son Time'....no religious connections intended with that statement....just that Time is a secondary concept....


most view time as a primary concept....

without man, time would not exist.

time is... man measuring change (of a constant).
w/o man, no one will be there to do the calculating..of time



Time as a concept may not exist without man to percieve it but a procession of events would still occur.

This would be akin to the "if a tree falls in the woods?" philosophical riddle.

sorry dude..

it would happen...as a change in the happening...but time would not exist.
because man could not think....

time is an act of thinking...remembering what happened and recognizing a constant.

to get real deep... bonghit



Time as a human concept would not exist. True. However, astronomical events would still occur in a procession of events, an order. From a linear starting point onward. There wouldn't be anyone around to recognize it but it would still occur.

If, let's say we use your model, this were an absolute, then the processes that took place to shape our galaxy and planet would be imperceptible to us today.

It is only that we understand that matter/energy flows in processions that we are able to look back to before humans were here and estimate a "time" frame.

but that is still the act of a human thinking about the past.
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Even if a human didn't think about it, which I assure we weren't, it still happens.

"Time" is a manmade concept to help us better define the procession of events. It is linear. We could call it by any name and even change our concept of it but that linearity will remain the same.
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it is not linear...
thats a man-made concept as well... by remembering you can use memory's as reference points. you cant go to a specific time.
its an act of changing...that could change any way...

not a set destiny you can bend into altering
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time is never here
it comes and goes
all the time
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it is not linear...
thats a man-made concept as well... by remembering you can use memory's as reference points. you cant go to a specific time.
its an act of changing...that could change any way...

not a set destiny you can bend into altering
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That's pretty much my point. Those changes are how we judge time. Changes take place with or without us.


If our current space time some how changed by outside influences and the natural processes we are of aware occurred at a faster rate would "time" speed up?
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it is not linear...
thats a man-made concept as well... by remembering you can use memory's as reference points. you cant go to a specific time.
its an act of changing...that could change any way...

not a set destiny you can bend into altering



That's pretty much my point. Those changes are how we judge time. Changes take place with or without us.


If our current space time some how changed by outside influences and the natural processes we are of aware occurred at a faster rate would "time" speed up?
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maybe the act of living... things growing, we displace space so growing pushes it apart.

so that speeds it up

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it is not linear...
thats a man-made concept as well... by remembering you can use memory's as reference points. you cant go to a specific time.
its an act of changing...that could change any way...

not a set destiny you can bend into altering



That's pretty much my point. Those changes are how we judge time. Changes take place with or without us.


If our current space time some how changed by outside influences and the natural processes we are of aware occurred at a faster rate would "time" speed up?

maybe the act of living... things growing, we displace space so growing pushes it apart.

so that speeds it up
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if you were to put a balloon an a bucket...then blew it up the water level would rise. cuz it displaces it.
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Are you aware of the concept of time in a black hole?

It is said that time slows down dramatically as it approaches the event horizon. Almost to a standstill when compared to time outside of this area.

For example if I could possibly live in a black hole for forty years and then come back and visit you, you will have aged forty years whereas I will be relatively the same age as when I left.
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it is not linear...
thats a man-made concept as well... by remembering you can use memory's as reference points. you cant go to a specific time.
its an act of changing...that could change any way...

not a set destiny you can bend into altering



That's pretty much my point. Those changes are how we judge time. Changes take place with or without us.


If our current space time some how changed by outside influences and the natural processes we are of aware occurred at a faster rate would "time" speed up?

maybe the act of living... things growing, we displace space so growing pushes it apart.

so that speeds it up

if you were to put a balloon an a bucket...then blew it up the water level would rise. cuz it displaces it.
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Eureka!
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Are you aware of the concept of time in a black hole?

It is said that time slows down dramatically as it approaches the event horizon. Almost to a standstill when compared to time outside of this area.

For example if I could possibly live in a black hole for forty years and then come back and visit you, you will have aged forty years whereas I will be relatively the same age as when I left.
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first off"have you seen Humboldt county?"


thats a good question....i have to rest now

peace out

ill comment better when i get up
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Are you aware of the concept of time in a black hole?

It is said that time slows down dramatically as it approaches the event horizon. Almost to a standstill when compared to time outside of this area.

For example if I could possibly live in a black hole for forty years and then come back and visit you, you will have aged forty years whereas I will be relatively the same age as when I left.
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In that fashion our concept of time is indeed relative.

Here on earth though it appears much more linear.

This has actually been talked about and debated for some time. (hah)

My best answer to you is it's use to quantify a sequence of events. The flow of energy.

I see your going to bed.

Peace bro.
peace
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Are you aware of the concept of time in a black hole?

It is said that time slows down dramatically as it approaches the event horizon. Almost to a standstill when compared to time outside of this area.

For example if I could possibly live in a black hole for forty years and then come back and visit you, you will have aged forty years whereas I will be relatively the same age as when I left.
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I like that.
What this says to me is; the space from where i see is a black hole. If i stay with what is happening, here and now, there will be no experiencing of time. If i have thoughts of past or future, i create time. The further i go from the black hole (which is this space of awareness) the more time will be created.
I see the event horizon as where (here) and when (now) the event is taking place. All events happen in you.
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if you are in the past it would still be "your" present.
because thats still happening "now" to you...

so you cant go into the past

youd be going into everyone elses past

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tell me more on your view of how time exists.
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Well...how to make a long story short... scratching
I try:
There is no nothing so you have something.
Nowhere isn't anywhere so we are somewhere.
Never never happens so we have now.
Something here and now.
That one 'Shan' is not enough to avoid nothing and nowhere as well as never so we need an infinite number of 'Shans'.
Or alternative and better an infinite number of 'views' or 'perspectives of the 'Shan'.
That's where consciousness comes into play. And time. And space aswell.
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Well...how to make a long story short... scratching
I try:
There is no nothing so you have something.
Nowhere isn't anywhere so we are somewhere.
Never never happens so we have now.
Something here and now.
That one 'Shan' is not enough to avoid nothing and nowhere as well as never so we need an infinite number of 'Shans'.
Or alternative and better an infinite number of 'views' or 'perspectives of the 'Shan'.
That's where consciousness comes into play. And time. And space aswell.
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vedy good
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Well...how to make a long story short... scratching
I try:
There is no nothing so you have something.
Nowhere isn't anywhere so we are somewhere.
Never never happens so we have now.
Something here and now.
That one 'Shan' is not enough to avoid nothing and nowhere as well as never so we need an infinite number of 'Shans'.
Or alternative and better an infinite number of 'views' or 'perspectives of the 'Shan'.
That's where consciousness comes into play. And time. And space aswell.
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space is an absence of something....so it is nothing.

does nothing exist? yea..space exists.
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....

space is an absence of something....so it is nothing.

does nothing exist? yea..space exists.
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Sorry to correct you but there is no empty space.
Even when there is no dust there are 'virtual' particles that pop in and out of existance.
Look up the "Casimir-effect".
Ever heard "nature abhorres a vacuum"?
It is the same with time.
There is no "empty" time when nothing happens.
Nothing CANNOT happen.
There's always something happening but you don't notice everything.
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There's always something happening but you don't notice everything.
Not all at once that is.
That's life. One after the other.
If you see all perspectives of the 'shan' at once you are in 'eternity'.
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space is an absence of something....so it is nothing.

does nothing exist? yea..space exists.


Sorry to correct you but there is no empty space.
Even when there is no dust there are 'virtual' particles that pop in and out of existance.
Look up the "Casimir-effect".
Ever heard "nature abhorres a vacuum"?
It is the same with time.
There is no "empty" time when nothing happens.
Nothing CANNOT happen.
There's always something happening but you don't notice everything.
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us looking up to space and trying to understand it...is like a blind man figuring out what light is without the help of another person telling them!

maybe as we evolve..we will be able to notice space threw a new sense!
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There's always something happening but you don't notice everything.
Not all at once that is.
That's life. One after the other.
If you see all perspectives of the 'shan' at once you are in 'eternity'.
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eternity...what a concept...


to be all...to know all,as it happened....this is a great concept

seems to quick tho
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Well...how to make a long story short... scratching
I try:
There is no nothing so you have something.
Nowhere isn't anywhere so we are somewhere.
Never never happens so we have now.
Something here and now.
That one 'Shan' is not enough to avoid nothing and nowhere as well as never so we need an infinite number of 'Shans'.
Or alternative and better an infinite number of 'views' or 'perspectives of the 'Shan'.
That's where consciousness comes into play. And time. And space aswell.

space is an absence of something....so it is nothing.

does nothing exist? yea..space exists.
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Not quite.

Space is the time current, when in its kinetic format we observe as the infinite future and infinite past.

Time when it impacts THE ANOMALY, becomes static for an infinitesimal duration wherein all the time current kinetic converts to ALL infinite 3D space as "the present".

The string of these instances of "the present" is the constant roar vs. the big bang.

Infinite expanse sources the time current where it is all the future, The current impacts the anomaly where the present in a string of instances is generated along with all space, then the continuation as infinite 3D space collapses back into infinite time current, heading toward the ONE infinitely kinetic, infinitesimal singularity, as all the past.

Gravity is the "pressure" of the conversion process, because of impacting the anomaly, where time current kinetic is changing to space static AND the "vacuum", on the other side of the present, of the static space collapsing back into becoming time current kinetic.

It is the anomaly in the way of the time current that bugs me. Sure it is responsible for all 3D space, generates the realm we recognize as "the present", but what is it?

Space and time are the same material, just in different states as affected by the anomaly getting in the way.

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There's always something happening but you don't notice everything.
Not all at once that is.
That's life. One after the other.
If you see all perspectives of the 'shan' at once you are in 'eternity'.

eternity...what a concept...


to be all...to know all,as it happened....this is a great concept

seems to quick tho
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Yeah, that's why we chose to get a life.
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There's always something happening but you don't notice everything.
Not all at once that is.
That's life. One after the other.
If you see all perspectives of the 'shan' at once you are in 'eternity'.

eternity...what a concept...


to be all...to know all,as it happened....this is a great concept

seems to quick tho

Yeah, that's why we chose to get a life.
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we?...or he?
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do you have an answer?
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There's always something happening but you don't notice everything.
Not all at once that is.
That's life. One after the other.
If you see all perspectives of the 'shan' at once you are in 'eternity'.

eternity...what a concept...


to be all...to know all,as it happened....this is a great concept

seems to quick tho

Yeah, that's why we chose to get a life.

we?...or he?
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There is no real difference.
In that 'eternity' all perspectives, concepts, moments, beings are one.
The 'me, we, he'-thing is a partial view of the whole mountain at a certain time.
The decision was/is to experience this partial view. For fun.
Because it appears to last longer than 'eternity'. Funny eyh?
And it was the we/he/me/you who is doing it.
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There's always something happening but you don't notice everything.
Not all at once that is.
That's life. One after the other.
If you see all perspectives of the 'shan' at once you are in 'eternity'.

eternity...what a concept...


to be all...to know all,as it happened....this is a great concept

seems to quick tho

Yeah, that's why we chose to get a life.

we?...or he?


There is no real difference.
In that 'eternity' all perspectives, concepts, moments, beings are one.
The 'me, we, he'-thing is a partial view of the whole mountain at a certain time.
The decision was/is to experience this partial view. For fun.
Because it appears to last longer than 'eternity'. Funny eyh?
And it was the we/he/me/you who is doing it.
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your right i was just trying to get deep....

i dont even beleive in god!
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