the concept of time (the happening)

....and five front panels with doors that permitted the viewing of changing manikins which rang bells or gongs, and held tablets indicating the hour or other special times of the day....


Time is the fifth element....


It is not 'Father Time', it is 'Son Time'....no religious connections intended with that statement....just that Time is a secondary concept....


most view time as a primary concept....

without man, time would not exist.

time is... man measuring change (of a constant).
w/o man, no one will be there to do the calculating..of time



Time as a concept may not exist without man to percieve it but a procession of events would still occur.

This would be akin to the "if a tree falls in the woods?" philosophical riddle.

sorry dude..

it would happen...as a change in the happening...but time would not exist.
because man could not think....

time is an act of thinking...remembering what happened and recognizing a constant.

to get real deep...



Time as a human concept would not exist. True. However, astronomical events would still occur in a procession of events, an order. From a linear starting point onward. There wouldn't be anyone around to recognize it but it would still occur.

If, let's say we use your model, this were an absolute, then the processes that took place to shape our galaxy and planet would be imperceptible to us today.

It is only that we understand that matter/energy flows in processions that we are able to look back to before humans were here and estimate a "time" frame.

but that is still the act of a human thinking about the past.

it is not linear...
thats a man-made concept as well... by remembering you can use memory's as reference points. you cant go to a specific time.
its an act of changing...that could change any way...

not a set destiny you can bend into altering

it is not linear...
thats a man-made concept as well... by remembering you can use memory's as reference points. you cant go to a specific time.
its an act of changing...that could change any way...

not a set destiny you can bend into altering



That's pretty much my point. Those changes are how we judge time. Changes take place with or without us.


If our current space time some how changed by outside influences and the natural processes we are of aware occurred at a faster rate would "time" speed up?

it is not linear...
thats a man-made concept as well... by remembering you can use memory's as reference points. you cant go to a specific time.
its an act of changing...that could change any way...

not a set destiny you can bend into altering



That's pretty much my point. Those changes are how we judge time. Changes take place with or without us.


If our current space time some how changed by outside influences and the natural processes we are of aware occurred at a faster rate would "time" speed up?

maybe the act of living... things growing, we displace space so growing pushes it apart.

so that speeds it up

it is not linear...
thats a man-made concept as well... by remembering you can use memory's as reference points. you cant go to a specific time.
its an act of changing...that could change any way...

not a set destiny you can bend into altering



That's pretty much my point. Those changes are how we judge time. Changes take place with or without us.


If our current space time some how changed by outside influences and the natural processes we are of aware occurred at a faster rate would "time" speed up?

maybe the act of living... things growing, we displace space so growing pushes it apart.

so that speeds it up

if you were to put a balloon an a bucket...then blew it up the water level would rise. cuz it displaces it.

Are you aware of the concept of time in a black hole?

It is said that time slows down dramatically as it approaches the event horizon. Almost to a standstill when compared to time outside of this area.

For example if I could possibly live in a black hole for forty years and then come back and visit you, you will have aged forty years whereas I will be relatively the same age as when I left.

Are you aware of the concept of time in a black hole?

It is said that time slows down dramatically as it approaches the event horizon. Almost to a standstill when compared to time outside of this area.

For example if I could possibly live in a black hole for forty years and then come back and visit you, you will have aged forty years whereas I will be relatively the same age as when I left.

Are you aware of the concept of time in a black hole?

It is said that time slows down dramatically as it approaches the event horizon. Almost to a standstill when compared to time outside of this area.

For example if I could possibly live in a black hole for forty years and then come back and visit you, you will have aged forty years whereas I will be relatively the same age as when I left.

Well...how to make a long story short...
I try:
There is no nothing so you have something.
Nowhere isn't anywhere so we are somewhere.
Never never happens so we have now.
Something here and now.
That one 'Shan' is not enough to avoid nothing and nowhere as well as never so we need an infinite number of 'Shans'.
Or alternative and better an infinite number of 'views' or 'perspectives of the 'Shan'.
That's where consciousness comes into play. And time. And space aswell.

Well...how to make a long story short...
I try:
There is no nothing so you have something.
Nowhere isn't anywhere so we are somewhere.
Never never happens so we have now.
Something here and now.
That one 'Shan' is not enough to avoid nothing and nowhere as well as never so we need an infinite number of 'Shans'.
Or alternative and better an infinite number of 'views' or 'perspectives of the 'Shan'.
That's where consciousness comes into play. And time. And space aswell.

....

space is an absence of something....so it is nothing.

does nothing exist? yea..space exists.

....

space is an absence of something....so it is nothing.

does nothing exist? yea..space exists.


Sorry to correct you but there is no empty space.
Even when there is no dust there are 'virtual' particles that pop in and out of existance.
Look up the "Casimir-effect".
Ever heard "nature abhorres a vacuum"?
It is the same with time.
There is no "empty" time when nothing happens.
Nothing CANNOT happen.
There's always something happening but you don't notice everything.

There's always something happening but you don't notice everything.
Not all at once that is.
That's life. One after the other.
If you see all perspectives of the 'shan' at once you are in 'eternity'.

Well...how to make a long story short...
I try:
There is no nothing so you have something.
Nowhere isn't anywhere so we are somewhere.
Never never happens so we have now.
Something here and now.
That one 'Shan' is not enough to avoid nothing and nowhere as well as never so we need an infinite number of 'Shans'.
Or alternative and better an infinite number of 'views' or 'perspectives of the 'Shan'.
That's where consciousness comes into play. And time. And space aswell.

space is an absence of something....so it is nothing.

does nothing exist? yea..space exists.

There's always something happening but you don't notice everything.
Not all at once that is.
That's life. One after the other.
If you see all perspectives of the 'shan' at once you are in 'eternity'.

eternity...what a concept...


to be all...to know all,as it happened....this is a great concept

seems to quick tho

There's always something happening but you don't notice everything.
Not all at once that is.
That's life. One after the other.
If you see all perspectives of the 'shan' at once you are in 'eternity'.

eternity...what a concept...


to be all...to know all,as it happened....this is a great concept

seems to quick tho

Yeah, that's why we chose to get a life.

There's always something happening but you don't notice everything.
Not all at once that is.
That's life. One after the other.
If you see all perspectives of the 'shan' at once you are in 'eternity'.

eternity...what a concept...


to be all...to know all,as it happened....this is a great concept

seems to quick tho

Yeah, that's why we chose to get a life.

we?...or he?

There's always something happening but you don't notice everything.
Not all at once that is.
That's life. One after the other.
If you see all perspectives of the 'shan' at once you are in 'eternity'.

eternity...what a concept...


to be all...to know all,as it happened....this is a great concept

seems to quick tho

Yeah, that's why we chose to get a life.

we?...or he?


There is no real difference.
In that 'eternity' all perspectives, concepts, moments, beings are one.
The 'me, we, he'-thing is a partial view of the whole mountain at a certain time.
The decision was/is to experience this partial view. For fun.
Because it appears to last longer than 'eternity'. Funny eyh?
And it was the we/he/me/you who is doing it.