the concept of time (the happening)

there is also.... ummmm..."metronomic time"... a constant beat happening after each change in the happening...



Heart of Thermodynamics....

According to the Shuowen Jiezi from Xu Shen: “Drop waters from a copper/bronze container with water inside. The time spent is measured. We can thus divide a whole day into 100 measures.”

According to the Shuowen Jiezi from Xu Shen: “Drop waters from a copper/bronze container with water inside. The time spent is measured. We can thus divide a whole day into 100 measures.”

can you elaborate?

According to the Shuowen Jiezi from Xu Shen: “Drop waters from a copper/bronze container with water inside. The time spent is measured. We can thus divide a whole day into 100 measures.”

can you elaborate?


it is a system of checks and balances....

it is kind of hard to grasp at first -- being the true Chinese Water Torture....


basically, the water measures the 'beat' of our reality....our place in time, so-to-speak....

More on the mechanics....


....In the Far East, mechanized astronomical/astrological clock making developed from 200 to 1300 CE. Third-century Chinese clepsydras drove various mechanisms that illustrated astronomical phenomena.

One of the most elaborate clock towers was built by Su Sung and his associates in 1088 CE. Su Sung's mechanism incorporated a water-driven escapement invented about 725 CE.

The Su Sung clock tower, over 30 feet tall, possessed a bronze power-driven armillary sphere for observations, an automatically rotating celestial globe, and five front panels with doors that permitted the viewing of changing manikins which rang bells or gongs, and held tablets indicating the hour or other special times of the day....

[link to physics.nist.gov]



basically, the Chinese 'timed' the cosmos with gravity....

but there is much more to it than that....

....and five front panels with doors that permitted the viewing of changing manikins which rang bells or gongs, and held tablets indicating the hour or other special times of the day....


Time is the fifth element....


It is not 'Father Time', it is 'Son Time'....no religious connections intended with that statement....just that Time is a secondary concept....


most view time as a primary concept....

According to the Shuowen Jiezi from Xu Shen: “Drop waters from a copper/bronze container with water inside. The time spent is measured. We can thus divide a whole day into 100 measures.”

can you elaborate?


it is a system of checks and balances....

it is kind of hard to grasp at first -- being the true Chinese Water Torture....


basically, the water measures the 'beat' of our reality....our place in time, so-to-speak....

so the constant change is happening... in the happening.

so that you an refer to the same point in time which is "now"

According to the Shuowen Jiezi from Xu Shen: “Drop waters from a copper/bronze container with water inside. The time spent is measured. We can thus divide a whole day into 100 measures.”

can you elaborate?


it is a system of checks and balances....

it is kind of hard to grasp at first -- being the true Chinese Water Torture....


basically, the water measures the 'beat' of our reality....our place in time, so-to-speak....

so the constant change is happening... in the happening.

so that you an refer to the same point in time which is "now"


yes....but the change can be 'predicted'....


Music helps to understand....

we can sing: Do-re-me-fa-sol-la-te

or we can slow it down: do---re---me---fa---sol---la---te


either way, there is a constant rate of change that has nothing to do with speed or what most people think of as time....

....and five front panels with doors that permitted the viewing of changing manikins which rang bells or gongs, and held tablets indicating the hour or other special times of the day....


Time is the fifth element....


It is not 'Father Time', it is 'Son Time'....no religious connections intended with that statement....just that Time is a secondary concept....


most view time as a primary concept....

without man, time would not exist.

time is... man measuring change (of a constant).
w/o man, no one will be there to do the calculated..of time

....and five front panels with doors that permitted the viewing of changing manikins which rang bells or gongs, and held tablets indicating the hour or other special times of the day....


Time is the fifth element....


It is not 'Father Time', it is 'Son Time'....no religious connections intended with that statement....just that Time is a secondary concept....


most view time as a primary concept....

without man, time would not exist.

time is... man measuring change (of a constant).
w/o man, no one will be there to do the calculated..of time


yes....


it is a hard subject to put into words !!


you definately understand it....

I will be back after I gather my thoughts on this subject....

....and five front panels with doors that permitted the viewing of changing manikins which rang bells or gongs, and held tablets indicating the hour or other special times of the day....


Time is the fifth element....


It is not 'Father Time', it is 'Son Time'....no religious connections intended with that statement....just that Time is a secondary concept....


most view time as a primary concept....

without man, time would not exist.

time is... man measuring change (of a constant).
w/o man, no one will be there to do the calculating..of time

change can only be predicted if it is nonliving

....and five front panels with doors that permitted the viewing of changing manikins which rang bells or gongs, and held tablets indicating the hour or other special times of the day....


Time is the fifth element....


It is not 'Father Time', it is 'Son Time'....no religious connections intended with that statement....just that Time is a secondary concept....


most view time as a primary concept....

without man, time would not exist.

time is... man measuring change (of a constant).
w/o man, no one will be there to do the calculated..of time


yes....


it is a hard subject to put into words !!


you definately understand it....

I will be back after I gather my thoughts on this subject....

please do!
peace be with you young skywalker

change can only be predicted if it is nonliving



tell that to females....

females can time themselves with the sun....gives them a feeling of oneness with the universe, albeit sub-conciously....


I am assuming you are male like me....

change can only be predicted if it is nonliving



tell that to females....

females can time themselves with the sun....gives them a feeling of oneness with the universe, albeit sub-conciously....


I am assuming you are male like me....

yes...yes i am

....and five front panels with doors that permitted the viewing of changing manikins which rang bells or gongs, and held tablets indicating the hour or other special times of the day....


Time is the fifth element....


It is not 'Father Time', it is 'Son Time'....no religious connections intended with that statement....just that Time is a secondary concept....


most view time as a primary concept....

without man, time would not exist.

time is... man measuring change (of a constant).
w/o man, no one will be there to do the calculating..of time



Time as a concept may not exist without man to percieve it but a procession of events would still occur.

This would be akin to the "if a tree falls in the woods?" philosophical riddle.

What's that about? The lack of responses?

I posted a response on this thread earlier. It's up above.

....and five front panels with doors that permitted the viewing of changing manikins which rang bells or gongs, and held tablets indicating the hour or other special times of the day....


Time is the fifth element....


It is not 'Father Time', it is 'Son Time'....no religious connections intended with that statement....just that Time is a secondary concept....


most view time as a primary concept....

without man, time would not exist.

time is... man measuring change (of a constant).
w/o man, no one will be there to do the calculating..of time



Time as a concept may not exist without man to percieve it but a procession of events would still occur.

This would be akin to the "if a tree falls in the woods?" philosophical riddle.

sorry dude..

it would happen...as a change in the happening...but time would not exist.
because man could not think....

time is an act of thinking...remembering what happened and recognizing a constant.

to get real deep...

....and five front panels with doors that permitted the viewing of changing manikins which rang bells or gongs, and held tablets indicating the hour or other special times of the day....


Time is the fifth element....


It is not 'Father Time', it is 'Son Time'....no religious connections intended with that statement....just that Time is a secondary concept....


most view time as a primary concept....

without man, time would not exist.

time is... man measuring change (of a constant).
w/o man, no one will be there to do the calculating..of time



Time as a concept may not exist without man to percieve it but a procession of events would still occur.

This would be akin to the "if a tree falls in the woods?" philosophical riddle.

sorry dude..

it would happen...as a change in the happening...but time would not exist.
because man could not think....

time is an act of thinking...remembering what happened and recognizing a constant.

to get real deep...



Time as a human concept would not exist. True. However, astronomical events would still occur in a procession of events, an order. From a linear starting point onward. There wouldn't be anyone around to recognize it but it would still occur.

If, let's say we use your model, this were an absolute, then the processes that took place to shape our galaxy and planet would be imperceptible to us today.

It is only that we understand that matter/energy flows in processions that we are able to look back to before humans were here and estimate a "time" frame.