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Fossilized bones that show evidence of human ancestor stone tool use and meat eating push the earliest dates for those activities from about 2.5 million to 3.4 million years ago.

New discoveries from Ethiopia show that what was likely the species of the famous fossil Lucy used stone tools to butcher meat from big mammals—about 3.4 million years ago. That’s a million years earlier than our best previous evidence for human ancestor stone tool use and meat eating. The finding appears on the cover of the journal Nature.

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and I bet they continue to find earlier and earlier dates for this type of research.
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Ancient Cut Marks Reveal Far Earlier Origin of Butchery
Bones from two animals dating to nearly 3.4 million years ago suggest that early humans were butchering meat nearly one million years earlier than previous evidence suggested and they weren't even in our genus
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...The finding in Ethiopia, a pair of mammalian fossil bones marred by tool marks, pushes tool use back into the age of Australopithecus afarensis, an early human ancestor that lived in east Africa 3 million to 4 million years ago....

..."It's never been shown before that Lucy used stone tools, and it's never been shown before that Lucy ate meat," said Shannon McPherron, an archaeologist at the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology, who discovered the new fossils. "We've moved back these critical behaviors."...
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...The archaeologists haven't found any actual tools, so they can't know whether Australopithecus was making stone tools or just picking up conveniently shaped rocks off the ground. But it's likely that the tool use required some planning: Most of the stones found in Dikika from this time period are small pebbles, McPherron said. The nearest contemporary outcrops of large, sharp stones would likely have been several miles away.

"It suggests that early human ancestors were actually transporting rocks around the landscape pretty long distances, which means they could have been actively seeking out this resource," Braun said. "That kind of transport pattern is something we don't see amongst chimpanzees or other primates [today]."

Because no other evidence of tool use during this era has been found, using stones to butcher meat may have been a rare behavior among Australopithecus afarensis, McPherron said. The researchers plan to continue searching for hints of tool use and for evidence that Australopithecus made its own tools...
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Great stuff, sick. rockon
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Some cavemen were probably murdered by the ancestors of PETA members.
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Wow great info OP.
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Wow great info OP.
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Thanks Nikki...all these dates just keep getting pushed back.
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THINK ABOUT IT. A MILLION YEARS!
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thats a problem of human evolution theory: the more fossils they found, they have to set new dates..

whonder when this will stop..maybe one day earth is older than the whole universe.. hf
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it's ALLLL about the meat folks!

the procurement, preparation, and consumption of meat gave human ancestors bigger brains throughout the ages.

vegetarians, you keep your corn and soy!

brain food FTW!
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oh..btw..this linked to this Thread: **BREAKING**: Proof that the homo-sapiens is result of ancient genetic engineering. PIN THIS!

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it's ALLLL about the meat folks!

the procurement, preparation, and consumption of meat gave human ancestors bigger brains throughout the ages.

vegetarians, you keep your corn and soy!

brain food FTW!
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i dont think so. i think, mans downfall began with eating meat.

thats what the vedics say hf
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Wow great info OP.


Thanks Nikki...all these dates just keep getting pushed back.
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This is the sort of think that really fascinates me no end. Early man is very important to use.
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Well that would have gave them more years to build the pyramids..lol...seriously I was watching the syfy channel the other night and a few of the stones they found lifted and set on pilars at ancient locations would have taken 21 HUGE cranes to lift off the ground...It`s just not possible these people could lift these stones without help..either sophisticated machinery or aliens...hard telling how many times the face of this earth has been whiped clean and started over...The possibilities are endless and the explanations--well most are yet to be discovered....so many answers lay right here

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Pretty cool...

I'm christian and a lot of us don't believe in things evolving over time but the proof sure seems to be in the puddin'...

...I don't know all the answers but there are plenty of holes in the bible so I keep an open mind about it. Plus who says there wasn't life before creation....and who says there won't be another period of time where things here are pretty uninhabitable before we start the whole thing over again.
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Pagan NWO antichrist propaganda from the Jesuits.

Their dating methods have all been debunked -- they are in refute by other scientists.

There has been no evolution of man. There are no supporting fossils to prove any such thing. Man has always been man.





AUSTRALOPITHECINES — "Australopithecus" ("southern ape") is the name given to a variety of ape bones found in Africa. After examining the bones carefully, anthropologists have gravely announced that they come from an ancient race of pre-people who lived from 4 to 1 million years ago. These bones have been found at various African sites, including Sterkfontein, Swartkrans, Koobi Fora, Olduvai, Hadar, and Orno River. The Australopithecines, like modern apes, had a wide range of varieties. But they are all apes.

LUCY — Lucy, one of the most recent of the Australopithecus finds, was unearthed by Donald C. Johanson at Hadar, Ethiopia in 1975. He dated it at 3 million years B.P. [Before Present]. In 1979, Johanson and Tim White claimed that Lucy came under an ape/man classification (Australopithecus afarensis). But even before that startling announcement, the situation did not look too good for Lucy. In 1976, Johanson said that "Lucy has massive V-shaped jaws in contrast to man" (National Geographic Magazine, 150:790-810). In 1981, he said that she was "embarrassingly un-Homo like" (Science 81, 2(2):53-55). Time magazine reported in 1977 that Lucy had a tiny skull, a head like an ape, a braincase size the same as that of a chimp—450 cc. and "was surprisingly short legged" (Time, November 7, 1979, pp. 68-69).

Dr. Yves Coppens, appearing on BBC-TV in 1982, stated that Lucy’s skull was like that of an ape.

In 1983, Jeremy Cherfas said that Lucy’s ankle bone (talus) tilts backward like a gorilla, instead of forward as in human beings who need it so to walk upright, and concluded that the differences between her and human beings are "unmistakable".
(J. Cherfas, New Scientist, (97:172 [1982])

Susman and Stern of New York University carefully examined Lucy and said her thumb was apelike, her toes long and curved for tree climbing, and "she probably nested in the trees and lived like other monkeys".
(Bible Science Newsletter, 1982, p. 4)

Several scientists have decided that the bones of Lucy come from two different sources. Commenting on this, Peter Andrews, of the British Museum of Natural History, said this:

"To complicate matters further, some researchers believe that the afarensis sample [Lucy] is really a mixture of two separate species. The most convincing evidence for this is based on characteristics of the knee and elbow joints."
(Peter Andrews, "The Descent of Man", in New Scientist, 102:24 1984)

Regarding those knee joints, Owen Lovejoy, Richard Leakey’s highly qualified associate (an anatomist), declared at a 1979 lecture in the United States that a multivariate analysis of Lucy’s knee joints revealed her to be an ape.

So whether Lucy’s bones belong to one creature or two, they are both apes.

Johanson’s theory about Lucy is based on an assumption linking two fossils 1,000 miles [1,609 km] apart:

"Although the Lucy fossils were initially dated at three million years, Johanson had announced them as 3.5 million because he said the species was ‘the same’ as a skull found by Mary Leakey at Laetoli, Tanzania. By proposing Mary Leakey’s find as the ‘type specimen’ for Australopithecus afarensis, he was identifying Lucy with another fossil 1,000 miles [1,609 km] from the Afar [in northern Ethiopia] and half a million years older! Mary thought the two not at all the same and refused to have any part of linking her specimen with [Johanson’s] afarensis . . She announced that she strongly resented Johanson’s ‘appropriating’ her find, her reputation and the older date to lend authority to Lucy. Thus began the bitter, persistent feud between Johanson and the Leakeys."
(R. Milner, Encyclopedia of Evolution (1990), p. 285)

Johanson, himself, finally decided that Lucy was only an ape.

"Johanson himself originally described the fossils as Homo, a species of man, but soon after changed his mind based on the assessment of his colleague, Tim White. They now describe the bones as too ape-like in the jaws, teeth and skull to be considered Homo, yet also sufficiently distinct from other, later australopithecines to warrant their own species."—Ibid

Mehlert sums it up.

"The evidence . . makes it overwhelmingly likely that Lucy was no more than a variety of pigmy chimpanzee, and walked the same way (awkwardly upright on occasions, but mostly quadrupedal). The ‘evidence’ for the alleged transformation from ape to man is extremely unconvincing."
(A.W. Mehlert, news note, Creation Research Society Quarterly, December 1985, p. 145)
[link to evolutionfacts.org]
[link to www.rae.org]

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Lucy was just another primate now extinct. There's no proof it came from any lower life form or gave rise to any greater evolutionary ladder.

_________________________________

Farewell to “Lucy”

Sadly, the public are often misled by inaccurately reconstructed statues and images of Lucy displayed at museums and in textbooks, etc., as her feet and hands are often portrayed as startlingly human-like. Many evolutionists themselves concede such errors, acknowledging that australopithecine hands and feet were ‘not at all like human hands and feet; rather, they have long curved fingers and toes’2—even more so than apes today that live mostly in the trees.

A serious reconstruction error is to wrongly align Lucy’s big toe alongside the smaller toes, like a human foot. In fact, using multivariate analysis, the anatomist Dr Charles Oxnard3 has shown that the big toe actually sticks out as in chimpanzees. This is a key point, for evolutionists point to the famous fossil footprints at Laetoli (which look just like human footprints but are claimed to pre-date humans), and they say ‘See, Lucy walked upright!’ But the (correctly reconstructed) australopithecine fossil foot bones show that Lucy could not possibly have made those footprints.

Also, CAT scans of australopithecine inner ear canals (reflecting posture and balance) by anatomist Dr Fred Spoor and his colleagues at University College, London, showed they did not walk habitually upright.4

So what was Lucy? Oxnard’s multivariate analysis showed that Lucy could not possibly be an intermediate ‘missing link’ between humans and knuckle-walking ape-like ancestors. He found that the australopithecine fossils ‘clearly differ more from both humans and African apes, than do these two living groups from each other. The australopithecines are unique.’5

The latest evidence not only confirms this, but it also indicates that Lucy was a knuckle-walker, like today’s great apes.
[link to creation.com]

Three Israeli scientists have reported in the most recent issue of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Science1 that Au. afarensis may not be our ancestor at all. It all hinges on the jaw of these creatures (pardon the pun). Alas, Au. afarensis has a lower jaw bone (mandible) that closely resembles that of a gorilla—not that of a human or even a chimp. The scientists conclude that this “cast[s] doubt on the role of Au. afarensis as a modern human ancestor.”

This should not come as a huge surprise, since even Donald Johanson, the discoverer of the first Au. afarensis “Lucy,” conceded that its V-shaped mandible was very ape-like, and certainly nothing like that of a human.2

Louis Leakey first made his reputation with the discovery of “Zinjanthropus,” commonly known as “East Africa Man” or “Nutcracker Man.” In the 60s and 70s, many school children memorized the names of this ape as a “known ancestor” of man. Zinjanthropus is essentially the same primate later known as Au. boisei. None of these robust australopithecines are now considered to be ancestral to man.

So it appears that Au. afarensis (“Lucy”) joins Au. boisei as a non-ancestor of man. One wonders what they will now do with the Laetoli footprints that are generally believed by evolutionists to have been made by Au. afarensis and also serve as compelling proof that “Lucy” walked upright and was a human ancestor.
[link to www.answersingenesis.org]

Latest discoveries put the nail in the coffin

Last year, a supposedly 3.3 million year old fossil of a very young Australopithecus afarensis strongly corroborated creationist predictions—see The ‘Lucy Child’. This three-year old ape possessed a distinctly ape-like skull, a hyoid bone virtually identical to that of a chimpanzee (crushing any hopes for speech), a curved finger bone typical of tree dwelling apes, a gorilla-like shoulder blade commonly associated with tree climbing and knuckle walking, and inner ear characteristics that confirm a largely quadrupedal locomotion. Researchers have yet to excavate the feet of this specimen, but creationists predict that this extinct ape likely possessed a laterally projecting big toe and curved toe bones characteristic of the other great apes.
[link to creation.com]

Until they dig up those feet they've proven nothing.

Is 'Lucy' alive and well and living in Sumatra?

Businesses, academics, and a major conservation group are backing a British journalist's attempts to find a mysterious ape-like creature in the jungles of Sumatra.

Local villagers have long reported seeing the creature around the slopes of Sumatra's Mount Kerinci. Dr David Chivers, from Cambridge University, said he is convinced that the creature, known as Orang Pendek, is real.

The creature is described as a tail-less, short-haired, ape-like creature, up to 1.4 metres (4 feet 6 inches) tall, and which walks upright. London journalist Debbie Martyr says she has sighted it briefly several times and has made casts of its footprints.

The creature has banana-shaped feet, and each foot has four toes in an almost straight row, with a fifth, big toe, jutting to one side.

Sunday Express (London)
October 8, 1995 (p. 2).

The descriptions and sketches of this creature bear a striking resemblance to those of the australopithecines — the fossil 'chimps' which evolutionists believe link ape-type creatures with humans. Evolutionists believe the australopithecines died out millions of years ago. If the Orang Pendeks in Sumatra turn out to be australopithecines, it will cause chaos in evolution's ranks.
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Pretty cool...

I'm christian and a lot of us don't believe in things evolving over time but the proof sure seems to be in the puddin'...

...I don't know all the answers but there are plenty of holes in the bible so I keep an open mind about it. Plus who says there wasn't life before creation....and who says there won't be another period of time where things here are pretty uninhabitable before we start the whole thing over again.
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St. Francis of Assisi was a pagan romanist antichrist of the apostate whore church of babylon, mother of harlots, according to Jesus Christ in his Revelations.
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Pretty cool...

I'm christian and a lot of us don't believe in things evolving over time but the proof sure seems to be in the puddin'...

...I don't know all the answers but there are plenty of holes in the bible so I keep an open mind about it. Plus who says there wasn't life before creation....and who says there won't be another period of time where things here are pretty uninhabitable before we start the whole thing over again.

St. Francis of Assisi was a pagan romanist antichrist of the apostate whore church of babylon, mother of harlots, according to Jesus Christ in his Revelations.
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I just like the quote.....

...and actually I think I'll change it, that's the second time someone has pointed out something bad about that individual...
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Well that would have gave them more years to build the pyramids..lol...seriously I was watching the syfy channel the other night and a few of the stones they found lifted and set on pilars at ancient locations would have taken 21 HUGE cranes to lift off the ground...It`s just not possible these people could lift these stones without help..either sophisticated machinery or aliens...hard telling how many times the face of this earth has been whiped clean and started over...The possibilities are endless and the explanations--well most are yet to be discovered....so many answers lay right here
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They used simple methods and took their time and didn't know you can't do that ...
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testing testing
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Interesting!
George Orwell was right..Black is White, Up is Down, War is Peace...

"Never believe anything until it has been officially denied."

Yesterday is history.......Tomorrow a mystery.......Today is a gift......thats why we call it the Present!!!
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Pagan NWO antichrist propaganda from the Jesuits.

Their dating methods have all been debunked -- they are in refute by other scientists.

There has been no evolution of man. There are no supporting fossils to prove any such thing. Man has always been man.





AUSTRALOPITHECINES — "Australopithecus" ("southern ape") is the name given to a variety of ape bones found in Africa. After examining the bones carefully, anthropologists have gravely announced that they come from an ancient race of pre-people who lived from 4 to 1 million years ago. These bones have been found at various African sites, including Sterkfontein, Swartkrans, Koobi Fora, Olduvai, Hadar, and Orno River. The Australopithecines, like modern apes, had a wide range of varieties. But they are all apes.

LUCY — Lucy, one of the most recent of the Australopithecus finds, was unearthed by Donald C. Johanson at Hadar, Ethiopia in 1975. He dated it at 3 million years B.P. [Before Present]. In 1979, Johanson and Tim White claimed that Lucy came under an ape/man classification (Australopithecus afarensis). But even before that startling announcement, the situation did not look too good for Lucy. In 1976, Johanson said that "Lucy has massive V-shaped jaws in contrast to man" (National Geographic Magazine, 150:790-810). In 1981, he said that she was "embarrassingly un-Homo like" (Science 81, 2(2):53-55). Time magazine reported in 1977 that Lucy had a tiny skull, a head like an ape, a braincase size the same as that of a chimp—450 cc. and "was surprisingly short legged" (Time, November 7, 1979, pp. 68-69).

Dr. Yves Coppens, appearing on BBC-TV in 1982, stated that Lucy’s skull was like that of an ape.

In 1983, Jeremy Cherfas said that Lucy’s ankle bone (talus) tilts backward like a gorilla, instead of forward as in human beings who need it so to walk upright, and concluded that the differences between her and human beings are "unmistakable".
(J. Cherfas, New Scientist, (97:172 [1982])

Susman and Stern of New York University carefully examined Lucy and said her thumb was apelike, her toes long and curved for tree climbing, and "she probably nested in the trees and lived like other monkeys".
(Bible Science Newsletter, 1982, p. 4)

Several scientists have decided that the bones of Lucy come from two different sources. Commenting on this, Peter Andrews, of the British Museum of Natural History, said this:

"To complicate matters further, some researchers believe that the afarensis sample [Lucy] is really a mixture of two separate species. The most convincing evidence for this is based on characteristics of the knee and elbow joints."
(Peter Andrews, "The Descent of Man", in New Scientist, 102:24 1984)

Regarding those knee joints, Owen Lovejoy, Richard Leakey’s highly qualified associate (an anatomist), declared at a 1979 lecture in the United States that a multivariate analysis of Lucy’s knee joints revealed her to be an ape.

So whether Lucy’s bones belong to one creature or two, they are both apes.

Johanson’s theory about Lucy is based on an assumption linking two fossils 1,000 miles [1,609 km] apart:

"Although the Lucy fossils were initially dated at three million years, Johanson had announced them as 3.5 million because he said the species was ‘the same’ as a skull found by Mary Leakey at Laetoli, Tanzania. By proposing Mary Leakey’s find as the ‘type specimen’ for Australopithecus afarensis, he was identifying Lucy with another fossil 1,000 miles [1,609 km] from the Afar [in northern Ethiopia] and half a million years older! Mary thought the two not at all the same and refused to have any part of linking her specimen with [Johanson’s] afarensis . . She announced that she strongly resented Johanson’s ‘appropriating’ her find, her reputation and the older date to lend authority to Lucy. Thus began the bitter, persistent feud between Johanson and the Leakeys."
(R. Milner, Encyclopedia of Evolution (1990), p. 285)

Johanson, himself, finally decided that Lucy was only an ape.

"Johanson himself originally described the fossils as Homo, a species of man, but soon after changed his mind based on the assessment of his colleague, Tim White. They now describe the bones as too ape-like in the jaws, teeth and skull to be considered Homo, yet also sufficiently distinct from other, later australopithecines to warrant their own species."—Ibid

Mehlert sums it up.

"The evidence . . makes it overwhelmingly likely that Lucy was no more than a variety of pigmy chimpanzee, and walked the same way (awkwardly upright on occasions, but mostly quadrupedal). The ‘evidence’ for the alleged transformation from ape to man is extremely unconvincing."
(A.W. Mehlert, news note, Creation Research Society Quarterly, December 1985, p. 145)
[link to evolutionfacts.org]
[link to www.rae.org]

________________________________


Lucy was just another primate now extinct. There's no proof it came from any lower life form or gave rise to any greater evolutionary ladder.

_________________________________

Farewell to “Lucy”

Sadly, the public are often misled by inaccurately reconstructed statues and images of Lucy displayed at museums and in textbooks, etc., as her feet and hands are often portrayed as startlingly human-like. Many evolutionists themselves concede such errors, acknowledging that australopithecine hands and feet were ‘not at all like human hands and feet; rather, they have long curved fingers and toes’2—even more so than apes today that live mostly in the trees.

A serious reconstruction error is to wrongly align Lucy’s big toe alongside the smaller toes, like a human foot. In fact, using multivariate analysis, the anatomist Dr Charles Oxnard3 has shown that the big toe actually sticks out as in chimpanzees. This is a key point, for evolutionists point to the famous fossil footprints at Laetoli (which look just like human footprints but are claimed to pre-date humans), and they say ‘See, Lucy walked upright!’ But the (correctly reconstructed) australopithecine fossil foot bones show that Lucy could not possibly have made those footprints.

Also, CAT scans of australopithecine inner ear canals (reflecting posture and balance) by anatomist Dr Fred Spoor and his colleagues at University College, London, showed they did not walk habitually upright.4

So what was Lucy? Oxnard’s multivariate analysis showed that Lucy could not possibly be an intermediate ‘missing link’ between humans and knuckle-walking ape-like ancestors. He found that the australopithecine fossils ‘clearly differ more from both humans and African apes, than do these two living groups from each other. The australopithecines are unique.’5

The latest evidence not only confirms this, but it also indicates that Lucy was a knuckle-walker, like today’s great apes.
[link to creation.com]

Three Israeli scientists have reported in the most recent issue of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Science1 that Au. afarensis may not be our ancestor at all. It all hinges on the jaw of these creatures (pardon the pun). Alas, Au. afarensis has a lower jaw bone (mandible) that closely resembles that of a gorilla—not that of a human or even a chimp. The scientists conclude that this “cast[s] doubt on the role of Au. afarensis as a modern human ancestor.”

This should not come as a huge surprise, since even Donald Johanson, the discoverer of the first Au. afarensis “Lucy,” conceded that its V-shaped mandible was very ape-like, and certainly nothing like that of a human.2

Louis Leakey first made his reputation with the discovery of “Zinjanthropus,” commonly known as “East Africa Man” or “Nutcracker Man.” In the 60s and 70s, many school children memorized the names of this ape as a “known ancestor” of man. Zinjanthropus is essentially the same primate later known as Au. boisei. None of these robust australopithecines are now considered to be ancestral to man.

So it appears that Au. afarensis (“Lucy”) joins Au. boisei as a non-ancestor of man. One wonders what they will now do with the Laetoli footprints that are generally believed by evolutionists to have been made by Au. afarensis and also serve as compelling proof that “Lucy” walked upright and was a human ancestor.
[link to www.answersingenesis.org]

Latest discoveries put the nail in the coffin

Last year, a supposedly 3.3 million year old fossil of a very young Australopithecus afarensis strongly corroborated creationist predictions—see The ‘Lucy Child’. This three-year old ape possessed a distinctly ape-like skull, a hyoid bone virtually identical to that of a chimpanzee (crushing any hopes for speech), a curved finger bone typical of tree dwelling apes, a gorilla-like shoulder blade commonly associated with tree climbing and knuckle walking, and inner ear characteristics that confirm a largely quadrupedal locomotion. Researchers have yet to excavate the feet of this specimen, but creationists predict that this extinct ape likely possessed a laterally projecting big toe and curved toe bones characteristic of the other great apes.
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Until they dig up those feet they've proven nothing.

Is 'Lucy' alive and well and living in Sumatra?

Businesses, academics, and a major conservation group are backing a British journalist's attempts to find a mysterious ape-like creature in the jungles of Sumatra.

Local villagers have long reported seeing the creature around the slopes of Sumatra's Mount Kerinci. Dr David Chivers, from Cambridge University, said he is convinced that the creature, known as Orang Pendek, is real.

The creature is described as a tail-less, short-haired, ape-like creature, up to 1.4 metres (4 feet 6 inches) tall, and which walks upright. London journalist Debbie Martyr says she has sighted it briefly several times and has made casts of its footprints.

The creature has banana-shaped feet, and each foot has four toes in an almost straight row, with a fifth, big toe, jutting to one side.

Sunday Express (London)
October 8, 1995 (p. 2).

The descriptions and sketches of this creature bear a striking resemblance to those of the australopithecines — the fossil 'chimps' which evolutionists believe link ape-type creatures with humans. Evolutionists believe the australopithecines died out millions of years ago. If the Orang Pendeks in Sumatra turn out to be australopithecines, it will cause chaos in evolution's ranks.
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Gee you forgot to post you source

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testing testing
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you got a 95 .. You gots mail hon.
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Humans were around 70 + million ago when farming gold from the sea.
Then landed the Illuminatis Grand and began eating those poor hominids.
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A. afarensis is classified as an ape, not a human. It is a Hominid--that is, an ape closely related to human beings. In terms of overall body size, brain size and skull shape, "Lucy" resembles a chimpanzee. However, A. afarensis has some surprisingly human characteristics. For example, the way the hip joint and pelvis articulate indicates that "Lucy" walked upright like a human, not like a chimp (far left). This means that upright posture and bi-pedalism preceded the development of what we would recognize as human beings and human intelligence. At near left is a reconstruction of Lucy's full skeleton.

Until 1994, A. afarensis was the earliest Hominid species yet discovered. At that time, remains of another species, tentatively called Australopithicus anamensis, was discovered in the Lake Turkana region of east Africa and appears contemporary with afarensis, dating to approximately 4.2 million years ago. A. anamensis is also an erect, bi-pedal species, and its discovery pushes direct evidence of our distinctive Hominid form of locomotion back to over 4 million years ago.

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Well that would have gave them more years to build the pyramids..lol...seriously I was watching the syfy channel the other night and a few of the stones they found lifted and set on pilars at ancient locations would have taken 21 HUGE cranes to lift off the ground...It`s just not possible these people could lift these stones without help..either sophisticated machinery or aliens...hard telling how many times the face of this earth has been whiped clean and started over...The possibilities are endless and the explanations--well most are yet to be discovered....so many answers lay right here
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I agree. Who knows how many civilizations we're built on? The deeper we dig (literally & figuratively) the more we find.
It doesn't take nature long to take over and obscure. Tons of space dust alone settles on the planet every year. Cataclysmic events, windstorms, floods change the landscape overnight.
I have no doubt that there have been highly advanced civilisations before us- many. The so called 'aliens' could well be our ancestors- applying their energies, skills and resources into space travel and navigation. Ancient knowledge and understanding of the cosmos etc. was extensive- could never be gleaned from simply remaining on this rock.
We have gleaned our knowledge in the same way- Hubble, ISS, Shuttle, etc.
We're not the first advanced culture- probably not even the last (though our proclivity towards destruction and self annililation indicates otherwise).

What of us will be found, I wonder, and what speculations/ interpretations/ theories will our future selves entertain?

I'd love to be the fly on those walls;).
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Well that would have gave them more years to build the pyramids..lol...seriously I was watching the syfy channel the other night and a few of the stones they found lifted and set on pilars at ancient locations would have taken 21 HUGE cranes to lift off the ground...It`s just not possible these people could lift these stones without help..either sophisticated machinery or aliens...hard telling how many times the face of this earth has been whiped clean and started over...The possibilities are endless and the explanations--well most are yet to be discovered....so many answers lay right here


They used simple methods and took their time and didn't know you can't do that ...
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LOL...I like that cool2
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Well that would have gave them more years to build the pyramids..lol...seriously I was watching the syfy channel the other night and a few of the stones they found lifted and set on pilars at ancient locations would have taken 21 HUGE cranes to lift off the ground...It`s just not possible these people could lift these stones without help..either sophisticated machinery or aliens...hard telling how many times the face of this earth has been whiped clean and started over...The possibilities are endless and the explanations--well most are yet to be discovered....so many answers lay right here


I agree. Who knows how many civilizations we're built on? The deeper we dig (literally & figuratively) the more we find.
It doesn't take nature long to take over and obscure. Tons of space dust alone settles on the planet every year. Cataclysmic events, windstorms, floods change the landscape overnight.
I have no doubt that there have been highly advanced civilisations before us- many. The so called 'aliens' could well be our ancestors- applying their energies, skills and resources into space travel and navigation. Ancient knowledge and understanding of the cosmos etc. was extensive- could never be gleaned from simply remaining on this rock.
We have gleaned our knowledge in the same way- Hubble, ISS, Shuttle, etc.
We're not the first advanced culture- probably not even the last (though our proclivity towards destruction and self annililation indicates otherwise).

What of us will be found, I wonder, and what speculations/ interpretations/ theories will our future selves entertain?

I'd love to be the fly on those walls;).
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rockon

Funny I hear "Dust in the Wind" being played out here at work while I type this

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