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Out of your F-ing Minds!...If you don't beleive in Chemtrails! Solid PROOF

 
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Thank God Chemtrails are only for weather modification.

I thought they were nano-technology smart dust meant to infest our lungs and make us drones.
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you again are totally dishonest. if chemtrails are caused by fuel additives then planes would make the lines from takeoff to landing and there would not be any X's with end points in the sky.
 Quoting: DarkStarCrashes 621262


I suggest you read before you write.
This was an answer to Rex Khristos, claiming it could be done by fuel additives.

But you have to realize that aircraft do leave thick trails on groundlevel if the conditions are right. I suggest you visit Fairbanks in Alaska in mid winter or look at aircraft on the south pole.
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It's called compartmentalization... you honestly think most the people involved in all the different parts of the chemtrail operation have any clue about the scope and scale of what is going on? No they just play their small role oblivious to what other pieces are at play.

These flights were monitored and mapped and after 2002 the entire system was automated... 99% of the planes you see spraying chemtrails now are unmanned drones.

Its actually very simple if you understand the full operation and how it works.


As a pilot I would certainly know if my aircraft was used for spraying for multiple reasons.

1)Before each flight an exterior inspection is performed, I would notice any added spraying equipment.
2)On board there is no room to hide the chemical tanks, so they will be noticed immediately.
3)I would notice if the empty weight of the aircraft would suddenly be higher without any added equipment listed.
4)The mass & Balance of an aircraft is very important for predicting the performance of the aircraft. The extra weight and shifted center of gravity would be noticed by me on takeoff, then the trim setting is incorrect and the handling feels different.
5)Also, the fuel consumption will be highter due to the added weight.

You say that 99% of the aircraft leaving these streamers are unmanned drones? You do know that proof is expected when one makes such a claim.



It could very easily be a fuel additive and not a single person down the chain would know about it.


In that case you are left with a couple of unanswered questions.
The most important is how you think thos additives will survive the extreme heat in the combustion chamber.
The heat is so intence that the engine materials will burn away if placed in the stream. To prevent this 75% of the air in the core of the engine (already several hundered degrees due to compression) is not used for combustion but for cooling the engine. That said, how do you prevent the additivees from contaminating cooler parts of the engine like the turbine and exhaust?


Also, placing additives in fuel will result in a higher fuel consumption which will be noted.
 Quoting: Virga 1066276




Very cool information, Thanks! And it's factual info too, which the "chem-trail" enthusiasts do not like. They just want to keep believing, so unfortunately this nice post won't help. Do you also notice how some of these folks seem very uneducated, resorting to child-like terms like "govtard", etc.
I am highly amused.
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if chemtrails are caused by fuel additives then planes would make the lines from takeoff to landing and there would not be any X's with end points in the sky.
 Quoting: DarkStarCrashes 621262


Atmospheric conditions are considerably different on the ground, and occasionally (particularly when it's very cold) they do leave trails off the tarmac.
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if chemtrails are caused by fuel additives then planes would make the lines from takeoff to landing and there would not be any X's with end points in the sky.


Atmospheric conditions are considerably different on the ground, and occasionally (particularly when it's very cold) they do leave trails off the tarmac.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1013199

everyone knows 30,0000+ feet is cold.

no contrail hangs out over a tarmac.

show me a pic.

i say you can't
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if chemtrails are caused by fuel additives then planes would make the lines from takeoff to landing and there would not be any X's with end points in the sky.


Atmospheric conditions are considerably different on the ground, and occasionally (particularly when it's very cold) they do leave trails off the tarmac.

everyone knows 30,0000+ feet is cold.

no contrail hangs out over a tarmac.

show me a pic.

i say you can't
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[link to farm4.static.flickr.com]
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I think they at minimum knew of 9/11, at worst perpetrated it.
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how cowardly. they planned and carried out all out. if you cant admit that to yourself, then you are dishonest.

However, as someone who works intimately with airplanes and airports (and the security systems within) your theory doesn't add up at all. There's NO WAY pilots and ground crew could be unaware of that, specifically not the engineers who would say "hmm, what's this thing on the bottom of the wing?"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1013199

It is obvious to any serious researcher it is NOT regular passenger planes making chemtrails.

real passenger planes do not make 100's of X in a few hours over a relatively small area.

further there are very few examples of photos from inside the plane of chemtrails. if passenger planes flew thru other chemtrails making the Xs millions of times, there'd be tons of photos, videos and stories of the crossing and there isn't. debate me on that one. i dare you.

Now, MAYBE I'd accept military planes, where there's very little oversight, being involved.
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little oversight? meaningless made-up BS.

But the unmanned plane idea is also a load of crap, because the levels of conspiracy involved to allow such a thing to happen so frequently is astronomical.
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and OJ could not have killed nicole & ron because people would have heard it and JFK was not assassinated. pretty lame. LMAO
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It is obvious to any serious researcher it is NOT regular passenger planes making chemtrails.

real passenger planes do not make 100's of X in a few hours over a relatively small area.

further there are very few examples of photos from inside the plane of chemtrails. if passenger planes flew thru other chemtrails making the Xs millions of times, there'd be tons of photos, videos and stories of the crossing and there isn't. debate me on that one. i dare you.
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There's no debating a blithering idiot. I work for a very large avionics company, and implement design changes to any number of aeroplane (Commercial mostly.)

Your theory is bogus.

Do I believe the government might be poisoning our air with chemtrails? Sure. I'll buy the possibility.

But how your describing it? Completely implausible. The amount of people involved would be astonishing, and it would be people from the top all the way to the bottom.
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I want to believe this. But I can't accept that out of thousands upon thousands of pilots, thousands of engineers, ground crew, aviation directors, aircraft cleaners and refueling men,flight crew, etc NO ONE has come forward about this.
 Quoting: Jake101



AAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

Sounds sorta stupid. Where are they going to come out? MSM?

Are u cwazy? BOO WAA HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
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I want to believe this. But I can't accept that out of thousands upon thousands of pilots, thousands of engineers, ground crew, aviation directors, aircraft cleaners and refueling men,flight crew, etc NO ONE has come forward about this.



AAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

Sounds sorta stupid. Where are they going to come out? MSM?

Are u cwazy? BOO WAA HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1066327


How about anyone? How about any of the pilots I know? I was in the Air Force for 7 years... had lots of pilot friends there.
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if chemtrails are caused by fuel additives then planes would make the lines from takeoff to landing and there would not be any X's with end points in the sky.


Atmospheric conditions are considerably different on the ground, and occasionally (particularly when it's very cold) they do leave trails off the tarmac.

everyone knows 30,0000+ feet is cold.

no contrail hangs out over a tarmac.

show me a pic.

i say you can't


[link to farm4.static.flickr.com]
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hilarious. your pic is not a contrail nor a chemtrail einstein. contrails do not form 100 feet over a golf course during golf season.

do you see the guy playing golf?

ROFLMAO
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if chemtrails are caused by fuel additives then planes would make the lines from takeoff to landing and there would not be any X's with end points in the sky.


Atmospheric conditions are considerably different on the ground, and occasionally (particularly when it's very cold) they do leave trails off the tarmac.

everyone knows 30,0000+ feet is cold.

no contrail hangs out over a tarmac.

show me a pic.

i say you can't


[link to farm4.static.flickr.com]

hilarious. your pic is not a contrail nor a chemtrail einstein. contrails do not form 100 feet over a golf course during golf season.

do you see the guy playing golf?

ROFLMAO
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 621262


It most certainly is a contrail. I think I'm starting to understand why people believe this. It's because you have essentially no avionic understanding at all.
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Pilots bomb whoever they are told to bomb. Have been doing this since the Balkan War of 1912. Keep their mouths shut if they want to keep flying. They are addicited to the rush and they keep their mouths shut.
 Quoting: hoot no more/hasheater 1065809

so you are saying that every plane that leaves a contrail is a military plane? Civillian planes don't leave them huh? Do yourself a favor... Go fire up another bowl of whatever you've been smoking and kill off that last braincell.
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There's no debating a blithering idiot. I work for a very large avionics company, and implement design changes to any number of aeroplane (Commercial mostly.)

Your theory is bogus.

Do I believe the government might be poisoning our air with chemtrails? Sure. I'll buy the possibility.

But how your describing it? Completely implausible. The amount of people involved would be astonishing, and it would be people from the top all the way to the bottom.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1013199

we all knew you'd rum fron a debate point. did i hear you mom call you home for dinner?

you admit it is possible but say Im crazy. No you are apparantly stupid and even admit to it.

re too large a conspiracy...if that is all you got, then you are stupid. the gov clearly did 911 did they not?

You articulate proof and you run from mine.

show me a video of a chemtrail from the 1970s or 1980s.

you cant. i bet you rum from that point too.
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lol. shit i cant type
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i meant: You dont articulate any proof and you run from mine.
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everyone knows 30,0000+ feet is cold.

no contrail hangs out over a tarmac.

show me a pic.

i say you can't
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 621262


I see you challenge. Why only a picture and not a video?


C-130 leaving contrails on departure:
[link to www.bohnetphotography.com]

Mil Mi-8 Helicopter on departure:
[link to www.airliners.net]
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There's no debating a blithering idiot. I work for a very large avionics company, and implement design changes to any number of aeroplane (Commercial mostly.)

Your theory is bogus.

Do I believe the government might be poisoning our air with chemtrails? Sure. I'll buy the possibility.

But how your describing it? Completely implausible. The amount of people involved would be astonishing, and it would be people from the top all the way to the bottom.

we all knew you'd rum fron a debate point. did i hear you mom call you home for dinner?

you admit it is possible but say Im crazy. No you are apparantly stupid and even admit to it.

re too large a conspiracy...if that is all you got, then you are stupid. the gov clearly did 911 did they not?

You articulate proof and you run from mine.

show me a video of a chemtrail from the 1970s or 1980s.

you cant. i bet you rum from that point too.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 621262


You're insane, I mean that. You're insane and ignorant. You call pilots and engineers idiots, and claim to be more knowledgeable than they are about the very planes they build and fly.
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It most certainly is a contrail. I think I'm starting to understand why people believe this. It's because you have essentially no avionic understanding at all.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1013199

even ghouse & the guy would say you are wrong. contrails come from engines, einstein. your engines are not making the trail. are you blind?

you offer ZERO proof and you are wrong on every claim you make.

show me a 1970s spreading contrail. still can't, uh?
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It most certainly is a contrail. I think I'm starting to understand why people believe this. It's because you have essentially no avionic understanding at all.

even ghouse & the guy would say you are wrong. contrails come from engines, einstein. your engines are not making the trail. are you blind?

you offer ZERO proof and you are wrong on every claim you make.

show me a 1970s spreading contrail. still can't, uh?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 621262


There is something very wrong with your head. I could show you 1000 pictures, and you'd explain them away with more nonsense. We have a pilot in this very thread telling you you're full of shit.
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hilarious. your pic is not a contrail nor a chemtrail einstein. contrails do not form 100 feet over a golf course during golf season.

do you see the guy playing golf?

ROFLMAO
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 621262


With this comment you clearly show a lack of knowledge on the subject.
The contrails in that picture are aerodynamic contrails caused by the airfoil creating a partial vacuum raising relative humidity of the air.



The contrails you think of are caused by water being a combustion product of the fuel.
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show me a 1970s spreading contrail. still can't, uh?
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Wow... first link.

1977 Michigan – a single persistent contrail cuts the sky
[link to contrailscience.com]
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everyone knows 30,0000+ feet is cold.

no contrail hangs out over a tarmac.

show me a pic.

i say you can't


I see you challenge. Why only a picture and not a video?


C-130 leaving contrails on departure:
[link to www.bohnetphotography.com]

Mil Mi-8 Helicopter on departure:
[link to www.airliners.net]
 Quoting: Virga 1066276

einstein. we are not in the artic circle. chemtails are sprayed over the midwest e.g. and it's 90+ degrees out.

your video proves absolutely NOTHING.
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your video proves absolutely NOTHING.
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You said contrails don't form above tarmacs. There it fucking is, in a video, and you say it 'proves nothing.'
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show me a 1970s spreading contrail. still can't, uh?




Wow... first link.

1977 Michigan – a single persistent contrail cuts the sky
[link to contrailscience.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1013199

circles?

that site is a known dis-info site

not impressed

show me a video or you got nothing. there should ne millions of examples.
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show me a video of a chemtrail from the 1970s or 1980s.

you cant. i bet you rum from that point too.


You're insane, I mean that. You're insane and ignorant. You call pilots and engineers idiots, and claim to be more knowledgeable than they are about the very planes they build and fly.
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I think you would see this as a chemtrail:

1943:
[link to d.imagehost.org]

1967:
[link to d.imagehost.org]

1969:
[link to d.imagehost.org]
[link to d.imagehost.org]

1972:
[link to d.imagehost.org]

Now, how about that rum?
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your video proves absolutely NOTHING.


You said contrails don't form above tarmacs. There it fucking is, in a video, and you say it 'proves nothing.'
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it is not the contrails we are discussing so its not even a meaningful point. dont you got some real evidence? didn't think so.
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show me a 1970s spreading contrail. still can't, uh?




Wow... first link.

1977 Michigan – a single persistent contrail cuts the sky
[link to contrailscience.com]

circles?

that site is a known dis-info site

not impressed

show me a video or you got nothing. there should ne millions of examples.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 621262



hahahaha

what the fuck? You ask for a picture, there's a picture. You asked for a video earlier and was presented with a video. Now you have another picture. And so far you have said:

"That can't be a contrail in that picture"
"That video was filmed in a cold climate"
"That picture is from a 'dis-info' site!"

There's no winning with you, because you're ignorant.
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that site is a known dis-info site

not impressed

show me a video or you got nothing. there should ne millions of examples.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 621262


If you say it is incorrect you need to prove it.

You want a video?



Or a newspaper?
1921:
[link to d.imagehost.org]

Or a scientific paper?
1974:
[link to d.imagehost.org]
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show me a video of a chemtrail from the 1970s or 1980s.

you cant. i bet you rum from that point too.


You're insane, I mean that. You're insane and ignorant. You call pilots and engineers idiots, and claim to be more knowledgeable than they are about the very planes they build and fly.


I think you would see this as a chemtrail:

1943:
[link to d.imagehost.org]

1967:
[link to d.imagehost.org]

1969:
[link to d.imagehost.org]
[link to d.imagehost.org]

1972:
[link to d.imagehost.org]

Now, how about that rum?
 Quoting: Virga 1066276

anyone can fake a picture or lie about year, especially the gov since they are spraying us. not impressed at all. show me a vid or you got nothin





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