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Why Christians should NOT argue with nonbelievers...

- "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him..." John 6:44

- "For thou hast trusted in thy wickedness: thou hast said, None seeth me. Thy wisdom and thy knowledge, it hath perverted thee; and thou hast said in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me." Isaiah 47:10

- Jesus himself did not argue (strive, i.e: Greek “erizo”, meaning to wrangle, engage in strife). “He shall not strive, nor cry; neither shall any man hear his voice in the streets.” Matthew 12:19. So neither should we.

- "There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death." Proverbs 16:25.

- “Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, Strive (Greek “agonizomai”, meaning to labor fervently or to struggle with difficulties) to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.” Luke 13:23-24



What we MUST do...

"Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much." James 5:16
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Good idea.

We should not go to anti Christ troll threads. Poor dears are angry and obsessed and I supposed this is what happens when you spend your life raging against God.

However, we should not stop posting on threads as we wish, whether the trolls like it or not. They don't own this forum and the mods have made clear Christians are welcome here.
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Why Christians should NOT argue with nonbelievers...

- "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him..." John 6:44

- "For thou hast trusted in thy wickedness: thou hast said, None seeth me. Thy wisdom and thy knowledge, it hath perverted thee; and thou hast said in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me." Isaiah 47:10

- Jesus himself did not argue (strive, i.e: Greek “erizo”, meaning to wrangle, engage in strife). “He shall not strive, nor cry; neither shall any man hear his voice in the streets.” Matthew 12:19. So neither should we.

- "There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death." Proverbs 16:25.

- “Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, Strive (Greek “agonizomai”, meaning to labor fervently or to struggle with difficulties) to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.” Luke 13:23-24



What we MUST do...

"Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much." James 5:16
 Quoting: Skit

SKIT...
I saw you post this on another thread, so I copied it and put it on the wall in my office to remind me when I get carried away defending the Word.

Thanks!
Blessings.
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Why Christians should NOT argue with nonbelievers...

- "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him..." John 6:44

- "For thou hast trusted in thy wickedness: thou hast said, None seeth me. Thy wisdom and thy knowledge, it hath perverted thee; and thou hast said in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me." Isaiah 47:10

- Jesus himself did not argue (strive, i.e: Greek “erizo”, meaning to wrangle, engage in strife). “He shall not strive, nor cry; neither shall any man hear his voice in the streets.” Matthew 12:19. So neither should we.

- "There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death." Proverbs 16:25.

- “Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, Strive (Greek “agonizomai”, meaning to labor fervently or to struggle with difficulties) to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.” Luke 13:23-24



What we MUST do...

"Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much." James 5:16
 Quoting: Skit




I agree 100%

Debating and arguing bible verses is not the Will of God

The word debate only found twice in the new testament


Romans 1:29
Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,


2 Corinthians 12:20
For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, swellings, tumults:
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Thank you skit! I really needed to read this,it reminded me that all I can do is give the word and you're right no one should argue about it. hf
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The Word of God is not for debating

You may use the Word of God to preach to non-believers

But between the brethren, the Word of God is not for debating. That is not the Will of God.

The Will of God is to use His Word to edify, comfort, exhort (strengthen) and rebuke

Jesus never debated with anyone

And God became very angry at Job's 3 friends

They did not try to comfort or edify Job. They tried to argue and debate with a man whom was in much suffering.

That is an abomination before the LORD

That would be like arguing bible verses to a dying man. Give me a break already.

There's too much stress in today's society.

Stop debating and arguing the Word of God
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Why Christians should NOT argue with nonbelievers...

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 Quoting: Skit


Do you believe in debate then?
.... And thats coming from an old Cynic

A Brit quote. Cynical Serialist
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Why Christians should NOT argue with nonbelievers...
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Why should we?
We shall not argue about our faith. Faith is just that, no need for arguing. Lost souls had need to argue. We just beleive.
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I visit the anti-Christian threads. The point I try to make is that the Christians are doing their own thing and should be left alone.
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Why Christians should NOT argue with nonbelievers...

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Do you believe in debate then?
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Good question.

Where would we be today if not for debate and exchanging of ideas?

I attend debates when I can and enjoy them immensely.

Life is about sharing and exchanging what we stand for and mulling it around to see how it washes out.

It's how we prove what we believe is true, not to others but more ourselves.

How good is our belief if not tested and held to the fire in real life?

How else can we apply our ideals but to test them and open them to scrutiny and see if they hold water?

But, there is a difference in debate and mindless rambling.

I am guilty of both. chuckle
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Why Christians should NOT argue with nonbelievers...

- "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him..." John 6:44

- "For thou hast trusted in thy wickedness: thou hast said, None seeth me. Thy wisdom and thy knowledge, it hath perverted thee; and thou hast said in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me." Isaiah 47:10

- Jesus himself did not argue (strive, i.e: Greek “erizo”, meaning to wrangle, engage in strife). “He shall not strive, nor cry; neither shall any man hear his voice in the streets.” Matthew 12:19. So neither should we.

- "There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death." Proverbs 16:25.

- “Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, Strive (Greek “agonizomai”, meaning to labor fervently or to struggle with difficulties) to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.” Luke 13:23-24



What we MUST do...

"Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much." James 5:16
 Quoting: Skit


I'm sorry.

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Why christians should not argue with unbelievers:

1) Because then you have to use your brain and that is not part of being a "good christian" - faith means not having to think.

2) Because you get angry whenever someone has the nerve to disagree with you and you always assume that the non-believer must be filled with hatred for "jesus" or "god".

3) Because cutting and pasting those long bible quotes can be very hard on the fingers.

4) Because then you might have to address questions like, "where is the proof of jesus' existence" and "if god is LOVE, then why did he kill so many people and threaten everyone else"?

5) Because it is easier to be just numb and follow the other sheep - and YOUR church is SUPER COOL!

The fact is you probably shouldn't even talk religion with other christians - they don't agree with you either. The catholics know that all you baptists are going to hell. The mormons know that all of you catholics are going to hell. And all of you know how EVERYONE is going to hell, except for you.

And such is the glowing love of the bible.

OR - you could just LOVE - and be fine.
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this...
Ecc 10:10 If the ax is dull, And one does not sharpen the edge, Then he must use more strength; But wisdom brings success.

Ecc 10:11 A serpent may bite when it is not charmed; The babbler is no different.

Ecc 10:12 The words of a wise man's mouth are gracious, But the lips of a fool shall swallow him up;

Ecc 10:13 The words of his mouth begin with foolishness, And the end of his talk is raving madness.

Ecc 10:14 A fool also multiplies words. No man knows what is to be; Who can tell him what will be after him?
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Debate also provides the opposing party to test their ideas in the same way. It affords people to explore their own ideals no matter what they are.

There is *tons* of debate to be found in the Bible.

Jesus answered the misconceptions of people who inquired of him constantly. Unbelievers even. He went back and forth with unbelievers on numerous occasions.

Paul did too. And, many others.

It's how we all learn.

We need people OUTSIDE our parameters as much as they need us.

And we are instructed to answer to those who inquire:

But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear

But, that says with meekness, not spite.

It is the sprit with which an answer is given that makes all the difference.

Just my 2 cents. Maybe one cent.
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Debate also provides the opposing party to test their ideas in the same way. It affords people to explore their own ideals no matter what they are.

There is *tons* of debate to be found in the Bible.

Jesus answered the misconceptions of people who inquired of him constantly. Unbelievers even. He went back and forth with unbelievers on numerous occasions.

Paul did too. And, many others.

It's how we all learn.

We need people OUTSIDE our parameters as much as they need us.

And we are instructed to answer to those who inquire:

But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear

But, that says with meekness, not spite.

It is the sprit with which an answer is given that makes all the difference.

Just my 2 cents. Maybe one cent.
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Priceless! Many cents/sense!
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Their lies will be corrected.
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Their lies will be corrected.
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Hate the messengers, not the message. The messengers are corrupt.
 
Whether or not Christ existed, or if he'll come again--it's all speculation. We'll know when we know--if we know. But here's a sure thing. As the tide turns against the evil empire of religion--and there is violence afoot--all these bible-thumping, hate-spewing "Christians" will renounce their Jesus without a moment's thought, to save their miserable hides. THAT'S a guarantee.
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Debate also provides the opposing party to test their ideas in the same way. It affords people to explore their own ideals no matter what they are.

There is *tons* of debate to be found in the Bible.

Jesus answered the misconceptions of people who inquired of him constantly. Unbelievers even. He went back and forth with unbelievers on numerous occasions.

Paul did too. And, many others.

It's how we all learn.

We need people OUTSIDE our parameters as much as they need us.

And we are instructed to answer to those who inquire:

But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear

But, that says with meekness, not spite.

It is the sprit with which an answer is given that makes all the difference.

Just my 2 cents. Maybe one cent.
 Quoting: Living For Heaven 1066967


We need people OUTSIDE our parameters as much as they need us

TBH wether you ar christian or non christian... This is the most considered and sensible quote from any side and wont be bettered in any other post on this thread.

But then ask yourselves this... For me to make this statment would I have to be a believer or a non-believer??

A point to debate??? Hmmmm.... :)

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It ruins marriages if one is religious and the other is not. My X daughter in law preached at my son until he couldn't take it anymore. She demanded he go to church, he refused. He then became ungodly and not good enough for her.

He is very happy in his new relationship, while the X is trying to break them up so she can come back and control him some more.
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I think people misunderstand me.

I believe a saying I heard once that the only thing that will bar you from the Truth is condemnation before investigation. I am open to friendly debate but some areas for me are just not debatable. If I have the info to debate with I will..nicely...but arguing is nothing nice and makes everyone involved angry.

I also wish everyone would understand I am NOT feared into my beliefs...I love Yeshua, Son of God...I do not fear him the way people say Christians FEAR God....I am NOT the person people are referring to in all these posts about Christians...I think if Christians would perhaps take a not so greater than thou attitude and remember we are NOTHING and know NOTHING without the Father...more people may believe. I am NOT riding the fence...I just see God for the Loving Father he is..and wish everyone could. I am but a babe...and the arguments and anger that go along with them seem to be of no use...I have a much bigger contender and he is much more deceptive than I ever dreamed.

Saying that, I love EVERYONE!!!!...no matter their choices because I am NO WHERE NEAR Sin free....but I DO LOVE the Father.
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I think people misunderstand me.

I believe a saying I heard once that the only thing that will bar you from the Truth is condemnation before investigation. I am open to friendly debate but some areas for me are just not debatable. If I have the info to debate with I will..nicely...but arguing is nothing nice and makes everyone involved angry.

I also wish everyone would understand I am NOT feared into my beliefs...I love Yeshua, Son of God...I do not fear him the way people say Christians FEAR God....I am NOT the person people are referring to in all these posts about Christians...I think if Christians would perhaps take a not so greater than thou attitude and remember we are NOTHING and know NOTHING without the Father...more people may believe. I am NOT riding the fence...I just see God for the Loving Father he is..and wish everyone could. I am but a babe...and the arguments and anger that go along with them seem to be of no use...I have a much bigger contender and he is much more deceptive than I ever dreamed.

Saying that, I love EVERYONE!!!!...no matter their choices because I am NO WHERE NEAR Sin free....but I DO LOVE the Father.
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Bravo! Well said!
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NICE POST SKIT
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Debate also provides the opposing party to test their ideas in the same way. It affords people to explore their own ideals no matter what they are.

There is *tons* of debate to be found in the Bible.

Jesus answered the misconceptions of people who inquired of him constantly. Unbelievers even. He went back and forth with unbelievers on numerous occasions.

Paul did too. And, many others.

It's how we all learn.

We need people OUTSIDE our parameters as much as they need us.

And we are instructed to answer to those who inquire:

But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear

But, that says with meekness, not spite.

It is the sprit with which an answer is given that makes all the difference.

Just my 2 cents. Maybe one cent.
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I love your two cents...it is beyond value. :) The "spite" is really what I was trying to take away from the conversations...not the debate and conversation....
hf

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I think people misunderstand me.

I believe a saying I heard once that the only thing that will bar you from the Truth is condemnation before investigation. I am open to friendly debate but some areas for me are just not debatable. If I have the info to debate with I will..nicely...but arguing is nothing nice and makes everyone involved angry.

I also wish everyone would understand I am NOT feared into my beliefs...I love Yeshua, Son of God...I do not fear him the way people say Christians FEAR God....I am NOT the person people are referring to in all these posts about Christians...I think if Christians would perhaps take a not so greater than thou attitude and remember we are NOTHING and know NOTHING without the Father...more people may believe. I am NOT riding the fence...I just see God for the Loving Father he is..and wish everyone could. I am but a babe...and the arguments and anger that go along with them seem to be of no use...I have a much bigger contender and he is much more deceptive than I ever dreamed.

Saying that, I love EVERYONE!!!!...no matter their choices because I am NO WHERE NEAR Sin free....but I DO LOVE the Father.
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So..... are you saying
"Why Christians should NOT argue with NONbelievers"

actually means...

"I`m happy to debate all aspects of my faith with non believers".??
.... And thats coming from an old Cynic

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Debate also provides the opposing party to test their ideas in the same way. It affords people to explore their own ideals no matter what they are.

There is *tons* of debate to be found in the Bible.

Jesus answered the misconceptions of people who inquired of him constantly. Unbelievers even. He went back and forth with unbelievers on numerous occasions.

Paul did too. And, many others.

It's how we all learn.

We need people OUTSIDE our parameters as much as they need us.

And we are instructed to answer to those who inquire:

But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear

But, that says with meekness, not spite.

It is the sprit with which an answer is given that makes all the difference.

Just my 2 cents. Maybe one cent.



I love your two cents...it is beyond value. :) The "spite" is really what I was trying to take away from the conversations...not the debate and conversation....
hf

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That question by by CR was good. Very funny in an educational way.

Spite is so natural to us. Imposition is also natural to us.

All of us.

I see what you are saying about the spirit of debate, and I agree with it.

When debate is personal and not objective, it becomes chaos and clanging.

When debate is objective and not personal, it can be priceless.

But, debate is personal by nature and not objective because it often touches on the core values we hold.

Fine line to walk. Like a tightrope.

I believe we go back and forth between the two. And, that at the drop of a hat our self control can take a flying leap off the cliff, unannounced. How rude of it.

Crazy people we are.
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And if you all could tone it down a bit with the amount of religious threads being made on this forum, that would be appreciated too.

Thanks in advance ! thumbs

PS: You can still pray for me though, i have no problem with that.
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Moderation in everything is usually the correct.

Who are you to judge, while some people may find that the way it is explained (Being a Christian) does not make any sense to what their (his/her/spacealien) experiences have been.

Now, do I hear a bid for double DOOM down?
Going once, going twice, hark a person in the back gives a bid:

Triple DOOM down!

And now that the world acts like three-year-old children with religion, then what of those Adults?

I think if you preach fear, death, destruction, deceit, and say it is in The Bible while condemning that - it is not the real religion in the first place. It is what it is for humans have made it what it is -- a war.
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Why Christians should NOT argue with nonbelievers...

- "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him..." John 6:44

- "For thou hast trusted in thy wickedness: thou hast said, None seeth me. Thy wisdom and thy knowledge, it hath perverted thee; and thou hast said in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me." Isaiah 47:10

- Jesus himself did not argue (strive, i.e: Greek “erizo”, meaning to wrangle, engage in strife). “He shall not strive, nor cry; neither shall any man hear his voice in the streets.” Matthew 12:19. So neither should we.

- "There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death." Proverbs 16:25.

- “Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, Strive (Greek “agonizomai”, meaning to labor fervently or to struggle with difficulties) to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.” Luke 13:23-24



What we MUST do...

"Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much." James 5:16
 Quoting: Skit




Good points!
not to mention casting pearls before swine, the natural man receiveth not the things that are of God for they are foolishness unto him, and a host of other reasons.

But I do enjoy showing how hateful, dark and evil their heart is because that is the natural spiritual consequence of being light, it exposes the darkness for what it is.
"Glory is what happens when faith overcomes adversity."
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And then all ask or want only their triade.

No!

We will have as many religious threads as other threads if others want that. You just don't always get what you want.

And anyway God may be busy with creating a more intelligent creature to take the place of humans in the far future, or perhaps He is busy with another intelligent creature in the Now instead of humans.

Now to time, and patience, and not your time or your patience or love, but God's defining what that is.

You may ask but you may not receive.

Tune in to the static on the radio dial instead of the station, maybe a message will come through for you.

You have permission to receive. Receive now, receive now, receive now.

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08/13/2010 06:10 PM
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Re: Why Christians should NOT argue with NONbelievers....
I think people misunderstand me.

I believe a saying I heard once that the only thing that will bar you from the Truth is condemnation before investigation. I am open to friendly debate but some areas for me are just not debatable. If I have the info to debate with I will..nicely...but arguing is nothing nice and makes everyone involved angry.

I also wish everyone would understand I am NOT feared into my beliefs...I love Yeshua, Son of God...I do not fear him the way people say Christians FEAR God....I am NOT the person people are referring to in all these posts about Christians...I think if Christians would perhaps take a not so greater than thou attitude and remember we are NOTHING and know NOTHING without the Father...more people may believe. I am NOT riding the fence...I just see God for the Loving Father he is..and wish everyone could. I am but a babe...and the arguments and anger that go along with them seem to be of no use...I have a much bigger contender and he is much more deceptive than I ever dreamed.

Saying that, I love EVERYONE!!!!...no matter their choices because I am NO WHERE NEAR Sin free....but I DO LOVE the Father.

So..... are you saying
"Why Christians should NOT argue with NONbelievers"

actually means...

"I`m happy to debate all aspects of my faith with non believers".??
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Actually all I was saying was If you want to call yourself a Christian please by all means BE CHRISTIAN because people are taking the worse examples and using them against the entire group. I said IF I have the information relative to a debate I will debate, and by debate I mean share differing opinions. If I don't yet have the information how is my voice relative? It isn't. I also said some is NOT debatable. Call me what you will but the words of the Creator, The Father are not debatable. Now that I see I am in NO way helping the cause...The Cause being people understanding GOD IS LOVE...I am retiring from the conversation.

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