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Ahmadinejad: did NOT say he'd wipe Israel off the map (read)

 
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The Actual Quote:

Ahmadninejad's exact words in Farsi:

"Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad."

That passage will mean nothing to most people, but one word might ring a bell: rezhim-e. It is the word "regime." pronounced just like the English word with an extra "eh" sound at the end.

Ahmadinejad did not refer to Israel the country or Israel the land mass, but the Israeli regime.

If you want to get technical, he wasn't even referring explicitly to the regime, just idea of Zionism.

This is a vastly significant distinction, as one cannot wipe a regime off the map.

Ahmadinejad does not even refer to Israel by name, he instead uses the specific phrase "rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods" (regime occupying Jerusalem).

So this raises the question.. what exactly did he want "wiped from the map"?

The answer is: nothing. That's because the word "map" was never used.

The Persian word for map, "nagsheh" is not contained anywhere in his original Farsi quote, or, for that matter, anywhere in his entire speech. Nor was the western phrase "wipe out" ever said.

Yet we are led to believe that Iran's president threatened to "wipe Israel off the map." despite never having uttered the words "map." "wipe out" or even "Israel."

The Proof:

The full quote translated directly to English:

"The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time."

Word by word translation:

Imam (Khomeini) ghoft (said) een (this) rezhim-e (regime) ishghalgar-e (occupying) qods (Jerusalem) bayad (must) az safheh-ye ruzgar (from page of time) mahv shavad (vanish from).


As you all know Fox is a news organization with a self-proclaimed neoconervative agenda. It is in their interest to spread misinformation that furthers their cause, especially against regimes hostile towards those ideologically allied to them (Israel, for example)


Thank you for reading. You've just learnt something new.
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bump for truth, not Fox-News propaganda.
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thats why i dont believe the news, UNLESS i see it happening
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well done in standing up for factual information. unfortunately, most people dont really care for facts, they would rather burn Q'uran's and unveil Muslim women and lay blame for everything at the doors of the Islamic nations. People seem to enjoy hating and blaming - so much easier than actually looking within, at themselves.

The Actual Quote:

Ahmadninejad's exact words in Farsi:

"Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad."

That passage will mean nothing to most people, but one word might ring a bell: rezhim-e. It is the word "regime." pronounced just like the English word with an extra "eh" sound at the end.

Ahmadinejad did not refer to Israel the country or Israel the land mass, but the Israeli regime.

If you want to get technical, he wasn't even referring explicitly to the regime, just idea of Zionism.

This is a vastly significant distinction, as one cannot wipe a regime off the map.

Ahmadinejad does not even refer to Israel by name, he instead uses the specific phrase "rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods" (regime occupying Jerusalem).

So this raises the question.. what exactly did he want "wiped from the map"?

The answer is: nothing. That's because the word "map" was never used.

The Persian word for map, "nagsheh" is not contained anywhere in his original Farsi quote, or, for that matter, anywhere in his entire speech. Nor was the western phrase "wipe out" ever said.

Yet we are led to believe that Iran's president threatened to "wipe Israel off the map." despite never having uttered the words "map." "wipe out" or even "Israel."

The Proof:

The full quote translated directly to English:

"The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time."

Word by word translation:

Imam (Khomeini) ghoft (said) een (this) rezhim-e (regime) ishghalgar-e (occupying) qods (Jerusalem) bayad (must) az safheh-ye ruzgar (from page of time) mahv shavad (vanish from).


As you all know Fox is a news organization with a self-proclaimed neoconervative agenda. It is in their interest to spread misinformation that furthers their cause, especially against regimes hostile towards those ideologically allied to them (Israel, for example)


Thank you for reading. You've just learnt something new.
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Bump for troof.
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Oh for Gods' sakes, OP, stop telling the truth. It makes you look...ethical and honest. WTF?
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Read what it says and interpret it into a modern language instead of some medieval gibberish. What would you interpretation of it be? The regime is the leadership. How do you remove a leadership from all time? you invade the country and wipe it out. Quit trying to play word games dipshit You know damn well what was meant and so do all rational people.
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op you are definitely a cut and paste queen aren't you. Why don't you post the link you found that text at?
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good find OP. the are some people who know that iran is no threat to anybody. the facists want another war, let them live in peace!
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bump for truth, not Fox-News propaganda.
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I'm so sick of the propaganda against Ahmadinejad. Thanks for showing the truth!
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bump for truth, not Fox-News propaganda.

I'm so sick of the propaganda against Ahmadinejad. Thanks for showing the truth!
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What about the propaganda that ISRAEL is responsible for ALL evils in this world?
So have I now become your enemy for telling you the TRUTH? Galatians 4:16
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bump for truth, not Fox-News propaganda.

I'm so sick of the propaganda against Ahmadinejad. Thanks for showing the truth!


What about the propaganda that ISRAEL is responsible for ALL evils in this world?
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth



no one said Israel was "responsible for ALL evils in this world" that's clearly irrational. But, and it's true what Mel Gibson said. That they are the cause of most of the wars in this world.
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bump for truth, not Fox-News propaganda.

I'm so sick of the propaganda against Ahmadinejad. Thanks for showing the truth!


What about the propaganda that ISRAEL is responsible for ALL evils in this world?
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


grow up......you sound like a 5 year old......"it's not fair"......sheez.........anyway Israel IS responsible for all evil in this world.

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bump for truth, not Fox-News propaganda.

I'm so sick of the propaganda against Ahmadinejad. Thanks for showing the truth!


What about the propaganda that ISRAEL is responsible for ALL evils in this world?
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


take your isreal shit and shove it back up your stink hole.
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You are right. What he exactly said was that he'd wipe Israel off the face of the earth.
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You are right. What he exactly said was that he'd wipe Israel off the face of the earth.
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Nope, he didn't say that at all. Did you read OP's post?
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"The lie tastes sweet at the beginning, but bitter at the end.

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You are right. What he exactly said was that he'd wipe Israel off the face of the earth.
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ummmm......no!
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pin?
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lol as if... :)
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Buddha

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lol as if... :)
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lol
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bump for truth, not Fox-News propaganda.

I'm so sick of the propaganda against Ahmadinejad. Thanks for showing the truth!


What about the propaganda that ISRAEL is responsible for ALL evils in this world?



no one said Israel was "responsible for ALL evils in this world" that's clearly irrational. But, and it's true what Mel Gibson said. That they are the cause of most of the wars in this world.
 Quoting: Dhalia


Heck I would be too if I had to defend myself from all the Arabs tossing there bombs/rockets at me.
So have I now become your enemy for telling you the TRUTH? Galatians 4:16
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We are called to be BOLD. ~Joshua 1:9~
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You call me paranoid. I call you uninformed.

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lol as if... :)
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as if that would happen here, in neo-con heaven.
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bump for truth, not Fox-News propaganda.

I'm so sick of the propaganda against Ahmadinejad. Thanks for showing the truth!


What about the propaganda that ISRAEL is responsible for ALL evils in this world?



no one said Israel was "responsible for ALL evils in this world" that's clearly irrational. But, and it's true what Mel Gibson said. That they are the cause of most of the wars in this world.


Heck I would be too if I had to defend myself from all the Arabs tossing there bombs/rockets at me.
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth



wish they had a better throwing arm.
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bump for truth, not Fox-News propaganda.

I'm so sick of the propaganda against Ahmadinejad. Thanks for showing the truth!


What about the propaganda that ISRAEL is responsible for ALL evils in this world?


grow up......you sound like a 5 year old......"it's not fair"......sheez.........anyway Israel IS responsible for all evil in this world.
 Quoting: godComplex


lmao You guys crack me up! Thanks for the laugh!!!
So have I now become your enemy for telling you the TRUTH? Galatians 4:16
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You call me paranoid. I call you uninformed.

tgdmwt
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bump for truth, not Fox-News propaganda.

I'm so sick of the propaganda against Ahmadinejad. Thanks for showing the truth!


What about the propaganda that ISRAEL is responsible for ALL evils in this world?



no one said Israel was "responsible for ALL evils in this world" that's clearly irrational. But, and it's true what Mel Gibson said. That they are the cause of most of the wars in this world.


Heck I would be too if I had to defend myself from all the Arabs tossing there bombs/rockets at me.



wish they had a better throwing arm.
 Quoting: godComplex


OOOOO you've proved my point...THANKS
So have I now become your enemy for telling you the TRUTH? Galatians 4:16
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“Gravity explains the motions of the planets, but it cannot explain who sets the planets in motion.” ~Isaac Newton
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We are called to be BOLD. ~Joshua 1:9~
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You call me paranoid. I call you uninformed.

tgdmwt
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bump for truth, not Fox-News propaganda.

I'm so sick of the propaganda against Ahmadinejad. Thanks for showing the truth!


What about the propaganda that ISRAEL is responsible for ALL evils in this world?



no one said Israel was "responsible for ALL evils in this world" that's clearly irrational. But, and it's true what Mel Gibson said. That they are the cause of most of the wars in this world.


Heck I would be too if I had to defend myself from all the Arabs tossing there bombs/rockets at me.
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


can you not go one fucking day without spewing your bullshit shilling.

get a life, loser.
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bump for truth, not Fox-News propaganda.

I'm so sick of the propaganda against Ahmadinejad. Thanks for showing the truth!


What about the propaganda that ISRAEL is responsible for ALL evils in this world?



no one said Israel was "responsible for ALL evils in this world" that's clearly irrational. But, and it's true what Mel Gibson said. That they are the cause of most of the wars in this world.


Heck I would be too if I had to defend myself from all the Arabs tossing there bombs/rockets at me.


can you not go one fucking day without spewing your bullshit shilling.

get a life, loser.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1056273


Practice what you preach.
So have I now become your enemy for telling you the TRUTH? Galatians 4:16
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You call me paranoid. I call you uninformed.

tgdmwt
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All Muslims must be wiped of the fucking earth.
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You know....this thread should really be pinned. Question is, why isn't it?
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Buddha

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All Muslims must be wiped of the fucking earth.
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ok.......all the intellectuals are here now.


putin
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All Muslims must be wiped of the fucking earth.


ok.......all the intellectuals are here now.


putin
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lol, again
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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."

~KrishnaMurti
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"The lie tastes sweet at the beginning, but bitter at the end.

The truth tastes bitter at the beginning, but sweet at the end."

Buddha

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