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WTC ´UFO Hoax´ .... etc.

 
kmarinas=86
06/12/2005 10:35 PM
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a_lost_packet "Kmar, I don´t want to have to post those links yet again for the umpteenth time regarding this"

Don´t worry, I´ll do it for you!

[link to ufocasebook.com]
"A UFO is clearly seen peeking in and out from behind the WTC at the exact spot the second plane would later crash into on 911! When the cameraman zooms in, the UFO takes off at an incredible speed. A few seconds goes by and the camera refocuses in on the UFO at a far distance. The UFO then does a 360 degree reversal! It heads right for the helicopter and a CLOSE UP of the UFO is taken by the video camera! The UFO then quickly zooms above the helicopter and right into orbit!"

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[link to www.rense.com]
Ancedotal Evidence is not Proof = Words do not prove anything.

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[link to www.blondie.net]
"i had some more stuff i wanted to write but i cant remember at the moment..."

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[link to www.blondie.net]
"i guess about three years ago barb went to an audition for a tv commercial which she of course landed..."

Was Chris Stein taking a part in that audition?

"barbs segment was the first and best one, is really great, it aired on the sci-fi channel a bunch of times when they first did it."

Good to hear.

"its her on a ´sightseeing´ ride in a helicopter, whats even more cosmic is that the ´tour´ happens to be mainly of the world trade center, so theres barbara with her little camera being photographed from the back seat by her ´husband´ or whatever when what do you know, a UFO starts zipping around the wtc, she points it out, exclaims, it kind of buzzes the copter then zooms off leaving a trail, the end..."

Nice.

"the sci-fi channel had this thing called "happens" that was supposed to be stuff people sent in but was really just shot by them of course..."

Submissions can get filtered. MAYbe, they were looking for "standard" quality special effects in their commercials and few people were able to provide that for them, so they made their own. Had other just-as-good videos been submitted, SciFi Network might have shown them.

"one would think it was at least a little obvious to people that maybe it was a commercial?"

Maybe either way.

Before anyone else quotes this :P
"it seems that the ones who are the most desperate to believe in something are also able to just bypass the basic unreality of the thing and go plunging ahead into arguing about its qualifications... anyhow theres some pretty funny stuff on the bulletin board there, barbara and i wrote a couple of messages early on but by now the thing has a life of its own, looking around just now im amused to see that it still is going on, questioned etc..."

Yes, that´s what democracy + a little information technology allows to flourish --> skepticism.

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[link to www.alcione.org] (eng)
This guy uses a manipulated, reduced frame rate, version of the footage. His claims concerning "motion blur" turn out to be falsifiable. However his observation that the reflection on the window comes from the camera is true. I made a video to show this, and this is made obviously clear for all of you to see: [link to www.megaupload.com]

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[link to www.scifi.com]
Cl1mh4224rd
12/08/2005 10:14 AM
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You don´t have to do anything to the video other than watch. You can plainly see that the UFO doesn´t move properly with the rest of the picture when the camera shakes.

Yeesh...
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:14 AM
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its real.. its not a fake.
Cl1mh4224rd
12/08/2005 10:14 AM
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Care to explain why it´s real, and how the fact that the "UFO" sits in one place while the rest of picture shakes around it doesn´t affect your belief in it?

Hmm... perhaps the "UFO" was compensating for the shaking camera? Heh.
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:14 AM
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Why are people going over this old, tired hoax again? Barbara Sicuranza, the actress in the clip, had ADMITTED that it was a hoax. It´s Sheesh! time again, people. Stop flogging dead donkeys.
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12/08/2005 10:14 AM
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Want to know how it´s fake? At the end the UFO buzzes the chopper and you hear a whooshing noise.
First off you wouldn´t hear the whoosh over the chopper blades. Second the whoosh would signify that the air was disturbed but he chopper wasn´t buffeted the least by the turbulance.
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:14 AM
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Dont let this Karminas guy get to you, he posts on above top secret forums too, just a looney trying to make people mad by telling you the video is real.
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12/08/2005 10:14 AM
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People who believe in Barbara Sicuranza employ the following logic, "Just because someone says they did not experience something, I must believe that person."

No matter who you are following, as long as you following somebody, even yourself, you are always sheep.
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:14 AM
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"Dont let this Karminas guy get to you, he posts on above top secret forums too."

Can you at least come up with better lies? Give me a break

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12/08/2005 10:14 AM
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>>Want to know how it´s fake? At the end the UFO buzzes the chopper and you hear a whooshing noise.
First off you wouldn´t hear the whoosh over the chopper blades. Second the whoosh would signify that the air was disturbed but he chopper wasn´t buffeted the least by the turbulance.<<

some of that is actually false

cassette/video recorders use an audio compressor/limiter - this works as a volume boost/cut depending on the level readings of the recording.

if you record a bird on a recorder chirping and them hammer some drums next to it the recording volume will boost while recording the birds and then cut the sound with a pumping effect when the louder noises come into play to stop the db levels from overloading.

so to make the helicopters noise cut out all you really need to do is make the ufo sound louder than the rotors. since soundwaves are basically changes in sound pressure a large object quickly flying past you will carry a large pressure hump and could quite possibly cut out the rotors sound.

as for the turbulance - give up , not my thing on how helicopters work.

still fake video tho
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:14 AM
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[If it was real]: "First off you wouldn´t hear the whoosh over the chopper blades."

Why should we expect a spaceship to generate no sound and no wind?

[If it was real]: "Second the whoosh would signify that the air was disturbed but he chopper wasn´t buffeted the least by the turbulance."

It is not necessary for the chopper to tilt for this to be real. Why should it be expected that it not tilt? How does this invalidate other possibilites?

This employs the same circular logic that balloon "theorist" uses. "Baloons explain these lights. The lights show why they are balloons."

Instead, can you make any physical observations as to prove that it´s a hoax without employing circluar "belief" logic?

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k+m+a+r+i+n+a+s=86
12/08/2005 10:14 AM
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I´ll post this again so that everybody can see.

The following link:
[link to www.megaupload.com]
Shows that the so-called ufo is actually a reflection of the camera on the window. It also shows that the UFO reciprocates around the corner of 1 WTC (North Tower) several times
[link to www.megaupload.com]
[link to homepages.rootsweb.com]
[link to images.google.com]

What is obvious is two possibilites

1) A UFO did this (simple for them), or
2) This movement was cleverly devised Easter Egg made by hoaxers using CGI, and it happens so quickly that most people do not see it the first time they watch the video (a relatively more difficult task).

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