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Bible Contradictions for your Fundamentalist Christians

 
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For all those who hate on a certain religion that is not your own... For all those who says the Bible is Gods word, and you hate the Muslims.. I have a few Bible Contradictions that I would like for you to answer. Show me how stupid you really are. How can you follow a book with so many contradictions? I thought it was Gods word? This book is the only book you have to go on, and its FULL OF CONTRADICTIONS. Im not dissing the Bible, because I myself use it as a guide...but most of you look at the Bible like God spoke it himself. Come on, there are pieces left out of the Bible. Who put it together? Man. And they left out very important books. The Gospel of Thomas, the Book of Enoch... etc... WAKE UP SHEEP

Is Jesus equal to or lesser than?

JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one.

JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

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Order of creation

Here is the order in the first (Genesis 1), the Priestly tradition:

Day 1: Sky, Earth, light
Day 2: Water, both in ocean basins and above the sky(!)
Day 3: Plants
Day 4: Sun, Moon, stars (as calendrical and navigational aids)
Day 5: Sea monsters (whales), fish, birds, land animals, creepy-crawlies (reptiles, insects, etc.)
Day 6: Humans (apparently both sexes at the same time)
Day 7: Nothing (the Gods took the first day off anyone ever did)

Note that there are "days," "evenings," and "mornings" before the Sun was created. Here, the Deity is referred to as "Elohim," which is a plural, thus the literal translation, "the Gods." In this tale, the Gods seem satisfied with what they have done, saying after each step that "it was good."

The second one (Genesis 2), the Yahwist tradition, goes:

Earth and heavens (misty)
Adam, the first man (on a desolate Earth)
Plants
Animals
Eve, the first woman (from Adam's rib)
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How orderly were things created?
#1: Step-by-step. The only discrepancy is that there is no Sun or Moon or stars on the first three "days."
#2: God fixes things up as he goes. The first man is lonely, and is not satisfied with animals. God finally creates a woman for him. (funny thing that an omniscient god would forget things)

How satisfied with creation was he?
#1: God says "it was good" after each of his labors, and rests on the seventh day, evidently very satisfied.
#2: God has to fix up his creation as he goes, and he would certainly not be very satisfied with the disobedience of that primordial couple. (funny thing that an omniscient god would forget things)

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Jesus' last words


MAT 27:46,50: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."

LUK 23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."

JOH 19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."

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Ascend to heaven

"And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven." (2KI 2:11)

"No man hath ascended up to heaven but he that came down from heaven, ... the Son of Man." (JOH 3:13)



There are tons more

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How many children did Michal, the daughter of Saul, have?

2SA 6:23 Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death.

2SA 21:8 But the king took the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bare unto Saul, Armoni and Mephibosheth; and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite:

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Did those with Saul/Paul at his conversion hear a voice?


ACT 9:7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.

ACT 22:9 And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.


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How many apostles were in office between the resurrection and ascension?

1 Corinthians 15:5 (12)
MAT 27:3-5 (minus one from 12)
ACT 1:9-26 (Mathias not elected until after resurrection)

MAT 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
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Judging

1 Cor 2:15 "The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment:" (NIV)

1 Cor 4:5 "Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men's hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God."

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When did Baasha die?


1KI 16:6-8 26th year of the reign of Asa

2CH 16:1 36th year of the reign of Asa
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I think you need to spend more time in the bible with someone who can help you.
GOD is triune, GOD, is Father ,Son and HOLY SPIRIT and they are one.

When Jesus came to earth as all man and all GOD HE submitted Himself to the Father, hence his Fathter was greater.
You are on the right track , keep reading.
May your eyes and heart be opened to the truth.
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You assume that no scholars in the world has ever refuted all of there claims you are pasting here, and that every linguist and scholar who has ever lived agrees with your copy and paste argument?

Okay.
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I think you need to spend more time in the bible with someone who can help you.
GOD is triune, GOD, is Father ,Son and HOLY SPIRIT and they are one.

When Jesus came to earth as all man and all GOD HE submitted Himself to the Father, hence his Fathter was greater.
You are on the right track , keep reading.
May your eyes and heart be opened to the truth.
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Ive been to Catholic school learning and reading the Bible and religious things since I was in Kindergarten. I grew up Baptist. I was surrounded by the Church..whether Catholic or Baptist or whatever. I am on the right path, now you need to get on it my friend.

The Trinity concept has pagan roots. How can you be Father & Son. Not just physically, but spiritually as well. How can you be the father of your child and the son of yourself? See what im getting at? you either take all of the Bible contradictions and confusion and still believe in it. Or wake up. Even Thaddeus questioned Jesus. He is affiliated with the Aquarius Zodiac. This is why I have uncertainty and question. I am an Aquarius.

" The elements of chemistry are many but finite. So are the techniques of enlightenment. "
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This argument of posting repeatedly this bias source material is what is known in circles of debate as "stacking the deck."

That's when people use only arguments that support their position, and ignore or disallow the arguments against it. Even though opie requested people to refute his claims (that are not even his but from a web site) he is not interested in a fair debate.

It shows the lack of attention to independent research and the tendency to swallow whatever the flavor of the day is.
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This argument of posting repeatedly this bias source material is what is known in circles of debate as "stacking the deck."

That's when people use only arguments that support their position, and ignore or disallow the arguments against it. Even though opie requested people to refute his claims (that are not even his but from a web site) he is not interested in a fair debate.

It shows the lack of attention to independent research and the tendency to swallow whatever the flavor of the day is.
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And this sort of behavior is usually the work of christers or reichwingers.

I mean the whole gimmick that allows your faith based ways to work is to ignore evidence and logic.

In this case however there is no bias source material and there is no "independent research" nor is it the "flavor of the day"

The answer is clear, the bible was written by men long ago and the stories are not meant to be taken literally.

So you are going to find all kinds of inconsistent stuff.

Im sure the OP already knows this he just wants to watch you christers jump through hoops.
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Ive been to Catholic school learning and reading the Bible and religious things since I was in Kindergarten. I grew up Baptist. I was surrounded by the Church..whether Catholic or Baptist or whatever.
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That is known as the "argument of authority", secondary to a "statement of conversion."

Example: "I once used to believe in x,y,z".

This is a weak argument that asserts expertise. The opie is implying that he has great knowledge about the subject at hand, and is now qualified to be an expert and tell us all about how he knows better than anybody here who.

And it includes this: "I used to think that way when I was less informed." Opie, in reality, is claiming to be more of an expert, in the relevant subject area, than anyone else here. It's an insult.

Eh, opie tooooooo easy.
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Thread: Post all bible errors here!!!


Being hashed out on the link already.10 pages to read.
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Thread: Post all bible errors here!!!


Being hashed out on the link already.10 pages to read.
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Nothing is getting hashed out, christers will ignore anything that makes them question their faith.

Its a useless waste of time.
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The answer is clear, the bible was written by men long ago and the stories are not meant to be taken literally.
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Everybody....every scholar, every linguist on the planet agrees with you.

I am sure of it.

You are THE authority!

(Reifying)
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The answer is clear, the bible was written by men long ago and the stories are not meant to be taken literally.


Everybody....every scholar, every linguist on the planet agrees with you.

I am sure of it.

You are THE authority!

(Reifying)
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All you have to do is read it to see that is the case, why is it so hard?

You really think a dude put all of the animals in the world on a big boat, come on....
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The answer is clear, the bible was written by men long ago and the stories are not meant to be taken literally.


Everybody....every scholar, every linguist on the planet agrees with you.

I am sure of it.

You are THE authority!

(Reifying)



All you have to do is read it to see that is the case, why is it so hard?

You really think a dude put all of the animals in the world on a big boat, come on....
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The point is that there are two sides to any argument. There are educated people alive on this planet today, who would disagree with you. You refuse to acknowledge that, by making statements that insult people's intelligence, (even the scholars who are MUCH MORE educated and studied than you are by the way) and assume everybody who thinks differently than you is uneducated or crazy. That is not an intelligent way to approach a subject, IMO. Nor, is it fair.

That means you are led easily.

Tell me, what are your professional qualifications to comment on the authenticity of ancient texts? What books have you published?

I have read books that offer both sides of this debate and so-far compared to what I have read out there, you do not have much to offer from your side other than insults and pithy comments about people's intelligence.
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Ive been to Catholic school learning and reading the Bible and religious things since I was in Kindergarten. I grew up Baptist. I was surrounded by the Church..whether Catholic or Baptist or whatever.


That is known as the "argument of authority", secondary to a "statement of conversion."

Example: "I once used to believe in x,y,z".

This is a weak argument that asserts expertise. The opie is implying that he has great knowledge about the subject at hand, and is now qualified to be an expert and tell us all about how he knows better than anybody here who.

And it includes this: "I used to think that way when I was less informed." Opie, in reality, is claiming to be more of an expert, in the relevant subject area, than anyone else here. It's an insult.

Eh, opie tooooooo easy.
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1) I was not implying that I have great knowledge about the subject at hand. You are putting words in my mouth (and assuming shit) by saying that I consider myself "qualified to be an expert." Where did I say anything of the sort? The poster below my post said

I think you need to spend more time in the bible with someone who can help you.
GOD is triune, GOD, is Father ,Son and HOLY SPIRIT and they are one.

When Jesus came to earth as all man and all GOD HE submitted Himself to the Father, hence his Fathter was greater.
You are on the right track , keep reading.
May your eyes and heart be opened to the truth.
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I was simply stating that I am not a noob in the area of discussion. That I have spent a nice chunk of my life "in the bible." That statement was to show that I have spent alot more of my life "in the bible" and studying it and reading it than alot of Christians who preach about it but never studied it. You read it, but you never studied it. I never said I was an expert, or that I know it all.. or that I know more than someone else.

Knowledge is facts, otherwise its just faith..and I provided you with the "FACTS" that the Bible states...and here you are with your excuses. If the Bible is the absolute word of God, don't make excuses for it. Accept and Embrace, or Deny and Embrace.

"Their are two positions in life, victim and victimizer. Both end up corrupted in trusting this crooked system"
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The answer is clear, the bible was written by men long ago and the stories are not meant to be taken literally.


Everybody....every scholar, every linguist on the planet agrees with you.

I am sure of it.

You are THE authority!

(Reifying)



All you have to do is read it to see that is the case, why is it so hard?

You really think a dude put all of the animals in the world on a big boat, come on....


The point is that there are two sides to any argument. There are educated people alive on this planet today, who would disagree with you. You refuse to acknowledge that, by making statements that insult people's intelligence, (even the scholars who are MUCH MORE educated and studied than you are by the way) and assume everybody who thinks differently than you is uneducated or crazy. That is not an intelligent way to approach a subject, IMO. Nor, is it fair.

That means you are led easily.

Tell me, what are your professional qualifications to comment on the authenticity of ancient texts? What books have you published?

I have read books that offer both sides of this debate and so-far compared to what I have read out there, you do not have much to offer from your side other than insults and pithy comments about people's intelligence.
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LOL what the fuck is this?


You are a "faith" based person, you have no ground to stand on regarding "educated people" or "scholars" or even attempting to act like you care about intelligence.

There is no debate, only a child really believes the word of the bible is literal description of events that occured in the past.

Yeah you are going to find a few of these "scholars" that disagree.
Im sure the fact these scholars are chirsters has nothing to do with their views...
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..and I provided you with the "FACTS" that the Bible states...
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What you provided is a straw man argument.

And, I never said what side I err on.

You assumed it!

Careful opie, you never know.

Could be there are people who appreciate fair debate as a principle, irrelevant of the subject matter and their own personal beliefs. Could be those people may even be on your side of the fence sometimes.

That's why you should never speak before having ALL the information.

This shows you as a real example, of how easily you are led into fallacy.

You walked right into it.
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LOL what the fuck is this?


You are a "faith" based person, you have no ground to stand on regarding "educated people" or "scholars" or even attempting to act like you care about intelligence.

There is no debate, only a child really believes the word of the bible is literal description of events that occured in the past.

Yeah you are going to find a few of these "scholars" that disagree.
Im sure the fact these scholars are chirsters has nothing to do with their views...
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Never said what my view was.

Not on this site to promote my petty little world view.

I am here to display to ALL that I can, where ANY opportunity arises, how people who think they have a smart argument essentially do not. They are caught up in their own little worlds. Unaware prisoners of their own programming.

I seek REAL truth in life. And, I could care less about the little chip on your shoulder. (Or any one else's for that matter.)

I operate on a higher plane of existence than that.
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..and I provided you with the "FACTS" that the Bible states...


What you provided is a straw man argument.

And, I never said what side I err on.

You assumed it!

Careful opie, you never know.

Could be there are people who appreciate fair debate as a principle, irrelevant of the subject matter and their own personal beliefs. Could be those people may even be on your side of the fence sometimes.

That's why you should never speak before having ALL the information.

This shows you as a real example, of how easily you are led into fallacy.

You walked right into it.
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LOL

We are talking at the christer "faith" here, you want to talk about fallacy?

And yeah while there "could" be people who appreciate fair debate as a principle they do not come to GLP and that is not the types of people we have here.
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I operate on a higher plane of existence than that.
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If this were really true you would not be in this thread trying to make yourself feel superior.

No that is all ego all the way and makes it very clear you in fact operate on this plane of existence.
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..and I provided you with the "FACTS" that the Bible states...


What you provided is a straw man argument.

And, I never said what side I err on.

You assumed it!

Careful opie, you never know.

Could be there are people who appreciate fair debate as a principle, irrelevant of the subject matter and their own personal beliefs. Could be those people may even be on your side of the fence sometimes.

That's why you should never speak before having ALL the information.

This shows you as a real example, of how easily you are led into fallacy.

You walked right into it.
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Everyone please look through my post and show me where I said that I believed he was on the other side of the fence.

You are talking about me assuming....but YOU ASSUMED. You assumed that I assumed you were on the other side. See this can go back and forth. Your arguments apply not only to me, but to yourself as well. You quoted me saying "I provided you with the "FACTS" that the Bible States" and you used that as an implication or assumption that I thought you were on the other side.

JUST IN YOUR PREVIOUS POSTS YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT HOW I IMPLIED THAT I HAD GREAT KNOWLEDGE AND KNEW MORE THAN OTHERS...BUT YOU ASSSSUMMMEEDDD THAT THAT WAS MY IMPLICATION. ... AS YOU WOULD SAY, "YOU DIDNT GATHER ALL THE INFORMATION"
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Everyone please look through my post and show me where I said that I believed he was on the other side of the fence.

You are talking about me assuming....
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lol

That statement was to show that I have spent alot more of my life "in the bible" and studying it and reading it than alot of Christians who preach about it but never studied it. You read it, but you never studied it. I never said I was an expert, or that I know it all.. or that I know more than someone else.

Knowledge is facts, otherwise its just faith..and I provided you with the "FACTS" that the Bible states...and here [b[]you are with your excuses. If the Bible is the absolute word of God, don't make excuses for it. Accept and Embrace, or Deny and Embrace.
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lol
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Everyone please look through my post and show me where I said that I believed he was on the other side of the fence.

You are talking about me assuming....



lol


That statement was to show that I have spent alot more of my life "in the bible" and studying it and reading it than alot of Christians who preach about it but never studied it. You read it, but you never studied it. I never said I was an expert, or that I know it all.. or that I know more than someone else.

Knowledge is facts, otherwise its just faith..and I provided you with the "FACTS" that the Bible states...and here [b[]you are with your excuses. If the Bible is the absolute word of God, don't make excuses for it. Accept and Embrace, or Deny and Embrace.


lol
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Im am a being of such high intellect i laugh at your statements which to normal cave men would not be funny because they simply cannot grasp the joke like my superior mind can.
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Everyone please look through my post and show me where I said that I believed he was on the other side of the fence.

You are talking about me assuming....



lol


That statement was to show that I have spent alot more of my life "in the bible" and studying it and reading it than alot of Christians who preach about it but never studied it. You read it, but you never studied it. I never said I was an expert, or that I know it all.. or that I know more than someone else.

Knowledge is facts, otherwise its just faith..and I provided you with the "FACTS" that the Bible states...and here [b[]you are with your excuses. If the Bible is the absolute word of God, don't make excuses for it. Accept and Embrace, or Deny and Embrace.


lol
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Once again.. show me where I said that you were on the other fence. I said "If the Bible is the absolute word of God...." I never said it was or wasn't. I never said you were on the other fence or not. I said IF . You are making yourself look foolish good sir
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Everyone please look through my post and show me where I said that I believed he was on the other side of the fence.

You are talking about me assuming....



lol


That statement was to show that I have spent alot more of my life "in the bible" and studying it and reading it than alot of Christians who preach about it but never studied it. You read it, but you never studied it. I never said I was an expert, or that I know it all.. or that I know more than someone else.

Knowledge is facts, otherwise its just faith..and I provided you with the "FACTS" that the Bible states...and here [b[]you are with your excuses. If the Bible is the absolute word of God, don't make excuses for it. Accept and Embrace, or Deny and Embrace.


lol



Once again.. show me where I said that you were on the other fence. I said "If the Bible is the absolute word of God...." I never said it was or wasn't. I never said you were on the other fence or not. I said IF . You are making yourself look foolish good sir
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LOL

Totally, im sure his response will be 2 paragraphs of really nothing said except that he is smart or something.
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Is Jesus equal to or lesser than?

JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one.

JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
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You are dealing with a super natural being. We know that God is greater than Jesus. We know that the Holy Spirit is the earthly replacement for Jesus. Stop trying to put God into a box.


Jesus' last words

MAT 27:46,50: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."

LUK 23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."

JOH 19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."


None of the verses say "THIS IS EXACTLY ALL THAT WAS SAID." Just because the verses are different doesn't mean beans. There could have been other things Jesus said.

And those weren't His last words. His last words were after he rose from the dead.


Ascend to heaven

"And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven." (2KI 2:11)

"No man hath ascended up to heaven but he that came down from heaven, ... the Son of Man." (JOH 3:13)

Elijah is most probably in a place called 'Abraham's Bosom' - it's in heaven but NOT heaven.
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Is Jesus equal to or lesser than?

JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one.

JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.


You are dealing with a super natural being. We know that God is greater than Jesus. We know that the Holy Spirit is the earthly replacement for Jesus. Stop trying to put God into a box.


Jesus' last words

MAT 27:46,50: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."

LUK 23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."

JOH 19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."


None of the verses say "THIS IS EXACTLY ALL THAT WAS SAID." Just because the verses are different doesn't mean beans. There could have been other things Jesus said.

And those weren't His last words. His last words were after he rose from the dead.


Ascend to heaven

"And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven." (2KI 2:11)

"No man hath ascended up to heaven but he that came down from heaven, ... the Son of Man." (JOH 3:13)

Elijah is most probably in a place called 'Abraham's Bosom' - it's in heaven but NOT heaven.
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How do we know that God is greater than Jesus and that the Holy Spirit is the earthly replacement for Jesus? How exactly do we know that? Because the Bible tells me so? Well the bible also tells me contradictions. Which one am I suppose to believe?
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Re: Bible Contradictions for your Fundamentalist Christians
Is Jesus equal to or lesser than?

JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one.

JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.


You are dealing with a super natural being. We know that God is greater than Jesus. We know that the Holy Spirit is the earthly replacement for Jesus. Stop trying to put God into a box.


Jesus' last words

MAT 27:46,50: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."

LUK 23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."

JOH 19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."


None of the verses say "THIS IS EXACTLY ALL THAT WAS SAID." Just because the verses are different doesn't mean beans. There could have been other things Jesus said.

And those weren't His last words. His last words were after he rose from the dead.


Ascend to heaven

"And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven." (2KI 2:11)

"No man hath ascended up to heaven but he that came down from heaven, ... the Son of Man." (JOH 3:13)

Elijah is most probably in a place called 'Abraham's Bosom' - it's in heaven but NOT heaven.


How do we know that God is greater than Jesus and that the Holy Spirit is the earthly replacement for Jesus? How exactly do we know that? Because the Bible tells me so? Well the bible also tells me contradictions. Which one am I suppose to believe?
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Along these same kind of lines suppose no one told you about god at all?

Would you know him and his spirit then?

We know the answer is no because various tribes outside of society, american indians, etc... did not know they were going to suffer for all time and burn in fire for ever.

They did not know because someone did not tell them, god did not bother letting them know, hey guys you better bow or im going to make you die and suffer for all of time and then again for some more time, FIRE PAIN DEATH!
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In 2 Sam 21:8 it is Saul's daughter Merba who has 5 sons, not Michal. No controversy there.
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In 2 Sam 21:8 it is Saul's daughter Merba who has 5 sons, not Michal. No controversy there.
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LOL

Well now thats cleared up....
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This argument of posting repeatedly this bias source material is what is known in circles of debate as "stacking the deck."

That's when people use only arguments that support their position, and ignore or disallow the arguments against it. Even though opie requested people to refute his claims (that are not even his but from a web site) he is not interested in a fair debate.

It shows the lack of attention to independent research and the tendency to swallow whatever the flavor of the day is.
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Really...this is true AND the OP needs to sincerely from his heart pray to God for faith. God will give it to him.

Faith is believing in something you can't see or explain.
The Holy Trinity is a mystery. A divine truth way over our
little human way of thinking. Just because we don't get it,
doesn't make it untrue.

Faith is needed but God goes beyond sometimes to change their hardened hearts. Doubters, atheists will ask "give me
proof of God?" They ignore that they have a thought they
can't see, a memory they can't see. Actually, everything
created is a sign of God. Soooo...God gives the doubters
greater evidence that He exists in hopes they will come to believe. It's called a miracle.

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