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***Could Obama Outlaw Your Handwriting Style? *** Big Brother Education Takeover!!!

 
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There are over 200 handwriting programs in the USA. And one of them wants to outlaw the other 199. A handwriting program called "Handwriting Without Tears"has begun aggressively lobbying to make every detail of its own particular instructional method and writing styles legallly *required* as the sole method in all USA schools, by piggybacking on current White House efforts to create and impose a detailed national curriculum for all USA schools.

The founder of HWTears, Jan Olsen, began announced this publicly 7 years ago (that her firm would eventually be doing this) during her organization's training and recruitment workshops.. People unaffiliated with her program tried to warn others in the handwriting field, but almost nobody thought Jan Olsen meant it.
The lobbyists' web-site is designed to sound neutral on the surface, but if you dig deeper and actually read their proposed standards, these are verbatim quotes of particular details of the HWTears teaching sequence and even stylistic features and they are very closely tied in with the HWTears.com web-site's own descriptions of the same endeavor -- to the point that, if the "Handwriting Standards" lobbyists succeed, no other program but HWTears will conform with the details of teaching method/style that their lobbyists are trying to have written into law.

In other words:
the proposed national standards for school handwriting tie in very closely with HWTears program sequence, to the point that they are basically a step-by-step, practically verbatim summary of specifically that program's sequence/curriculum/practices.

Read more at link:
[link to www.educationnews.org]

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Sounds like a huge waste of money since kids will just use computers.
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Sounds like a huge waste of money since kids will just use computers.
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That is hardly the point.
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I think they should bring back hand writing standards. I know that my parents and grandparents generations have beautiful writing. Ours...not so much!
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I think they should bring back hand writing standards. I know that my parents and grandparents generations have beautiful writing. Ours...not so much!
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Mu handwriting is horrible. I could care less though, I barely ever write anything anymore, 99.999% of what I do is typed.
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I think they should bring back hand writing standards. I know that my parents and grandparents generations have beautiful writing. Ours...not so much!


Mu handwriting is horrible. I could care less though, I barely ever write anything anymore, 99.999% of what I do is typed.
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Thats too bad.
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Sounds like a huge waste of money since kids will just use computers.

That is hardly the point.
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Your point is obvious by the bullshit title.

Obamatard.
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WTF? This is the dumbest thing to worry about right now on his behalf. He could do things like...hmmm....I dunno.....fix the economy. Nah, that's silly. Might as well flex your big government intrusive muscle right now. >:(
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I wonder if they'll even have jobs in the future.

It seems like everything is going to be one big prison camp.
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Education in the US took a major hit when 'No Child Left Behind' was passed.

Now its the Common Core State Standards Initiative. They want to further standardize and regulate education.
[link to www.corestandards.org]

Look at all the states that have already gotten on board:
[link to www.corestandards.org]


Your child's education is in the hands of lobbyists and politicians. Is that what you want?
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txt/g will then forgo mind signaling! Mentally tell my sister to call she knows whats been on my mind>
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Your point is obvious by the bullshit title.

Obamatard.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1075337

Just quoting the original article's title. Try reading it, Asshat!

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My hand writing style is hard to read.

I've perfected it with over 35 years of drinking.
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I think they should bring back hand writing standards. I know that my parents and grandparents generations have beautiful writing. Ours...not so much!
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Well if these lobbyists gets their way, then there will only be one handwriting curriculum legally available to schools in the US.
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I think they should bring back hand writing standards. I know that my parents and grandparents generations have beautiful writing. Ours...not so much!

Well if these lobbyists gets their way, then there will only be one handwriting curriculum legally available to schools in the US.
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I doubt that will happen. I also doubt that it would be a decision made by Obama himself.
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The article goes on to talk about how this might affect homeschoolers, who might use a different curriculum for handwriting.

As of right now, federal law currently protects homeschoolers by preventing the federal government from imposing education standards on private and homeschools unless they take government funding.
[link to www.hslda.org]


I'd sure as hell like to keep it that way.
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I doubt that will happen. I also doubt that it would be a decision made by Obama himself.
 Quoting: ~*~gsf~*~

They are working very hard on a national education standard.
[link to www.corestandards.org]

It's happening right now, and 30/50 states have signed on.

With that in place, whatever the federal government deems as the national standard, all the schools involved must teach that curriculum.
The federal government should NOT have that much power.
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I suppose it would be better than not being able to write at all hf

[link to www.usatoday.com]

"...Kids have a broader education than they did 20 years ago," said Jennifer Cockrell, an elementary language resource teacher for Brevard Public Schools. "Computer literacy is also important. Cursive is not taught at the point that it once was."

Many parents said they are upset to see the skill deteriorate.

Lisa Smoak, a parent volunteer at Longleaf Elementary in Melbourne, Fla., recently took a thank you card to school for her son's fifth-grade class to sign.

Of 22 pupils, only three signed in cursive.

"My son is not comfortable with cursive," said Smoak, who said she had to buy a workbook for her son to practice in. "Can you imagine being an adult and not being able to sign your name to a document?"..."
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I doubt that will happen. I also doubt that it would be a decision made by Obama himself.

They are working very hard on a national education standard.
[link to www.corestandards.org]

It's happening right now, and 30/50 states have signed on.

With that in place, whatever the federal government deems as the national standard, all the schools involved must teach that curriculum.
The federal government should NOT have that much power.
 Quoting: zombieintraining

I suppose you would have to take that particular issue up with your founding fathers....
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From the UK, but applicable as I understand that your SATs must be hand written.

[link to www.independent.co.uk]

"...Thousands of teenagers need "scribes" to help them write their A-level and GCSE papers because they are incapable of answering questions in longhand themselves, a study has revealed.

The number of requests for "ghost writers" to help pupils do exams rose from 28,324 in 2005 to 40,215 last year, while the number of students
asking to use a word processor or computer also soared by more than 50 per cent, to 21,713.

Requests for practical assistance short of a "scribe", such as a teacher sitting in to help a pupil to write legibly, also increased.

Experts say more scripts than ever are illegible because the email and text generation are unable to write properly by hand. Teachers marking this summer's English, drama and citizenship GCSEs for the Edexcel exam board reported: "Some handwriting is a pleasure to read but an increasing minority is bordering on the illegible." ..."

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Your point is obvious by the bullshit title.

Obamatard.

Just quoting the original article's title. Try reading it, Asshat!
 Quoting: zombieintraining


Just because some other idiot posts some bullshit, doesn't mean you can't use your own brain to unravel the crap from the items worthy of discussion and post something a little less divisive.

SO much bull shit over the top crap posted any more I hardly click on any of it.
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I suppose it would be better than not being able to write at all hf

[link to www.usatoday.com]

"...Kids have a broader education than they did 20 years ago," said Jennifer Cockrell, an elementary language resource teacher for Brevard Public Schools. "Computer literacy is also important. Cursive is not taught at the point that it once was."

Many parents said they are upset to see the skill deteriorate.

Lisa Smoak, a parent volunteer at Longleaf Elementary in Melbourne, Fla., recently took a thank you card to school for her son's fifth-grade class to sign.

Of 22 pupils, only three signed in cursive.

"My son is not comfortable with cursive," said Smoak, who said she had to buy a workbook for her son to practice in. "Can you imagine being an adult and not being able to sign your name to a document?"..."
 Quoting: ~*~gsf~*~

That's because the schools don't teach it period. As of right now, in my state, they are too worried about having all the students pass the FCAT, and handwriting is not on the FCAT. Neither is Science or Social Studies, and that isn't regularly taught to certain grades either.


But you're really missing the point. Education is not one-size-fits-all. Some children do not, and cannot learn the same way as others. By standardizing everything, you leave all of those kids out in the cold.
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Kids do NOT have a broader education than they did 30years ago.
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Just because some other idiot posts some bullshit, doesn't mean you can't use your own brain to unravel the crap from the items worthy of discussion and post something a little less divisive.

SO much bull shit over the top crap posted any more I hardly click on any of it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1075337

Then why even click on the thread to begin with?

There is a huge initiative to further standardize and regulate education in America. The article in the OP is just another example of that. I posted a bunch of other stuff to further show what I was talking about.

If you want to get hung up on the fact that I put 'Obama" in the title, then that speaks VOLUMES about you.
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I suppose it would be better than not being able to write at all hf

[link to www.usatoday.com]

"...Kids have a broader education than they did 20 years ago," said Jennifer Cockrell, an elementary language resource teacher for Brevard Public Schools. "Computer literacy is also important. Cursive is not taught at the point that it once was."

Many parents said they are upset to see the skill deteriorate.

Lisa Smoak, a parent volunteer at Longleaf Elementary in Melbourne, Fla., recently took a thank you card to school for her son's fifth-grade class to sign.

Of 22 pupils, only three signed in cursive.

"My son is not comfortable with cursive," said Smoak, who said she had to buy a workbook for her son to practice in. "Can you imagine being an adult and not being able to sign your name to a document?"..."
 Quoting: ~*~gsf~*~


They just tell you that, so you'll feel better off for being damned near retarded. Its really sad, but if you can find textbooks from the 1800's or 1700's then ignore this "computer literacy" bullshit, and really bask in what was public school knowledge.

And honestly most peoples "computer literacy" just involves slamming keyboards, yelling obscenities, and updating the government on their locations, and current thought crimes.

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Kids do NOT have a broader education than they did 30years ago.
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I'd have to agree.
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I suppose it would be better than not being able to write at all hf

[link to www.usatoday.com]

"...Kids have a broader education than they did 20 years ago," said Jennifer Cockrell, an elementary language resource teacher for Brevard Public Schools. "Computer literacy is also important. Cursive is not taught at the point that it once was."

Many parents said they are upset to see the skill deteriorate.

Lisa Smoak, a parent volunteer at Longleaf Elementary in Melbourne, Fla., recently took a thank you card to school for her son's fifth-grade class to sign.

Of 22 pupils, only three signed in cursive.

"My son is not comfortable with cursive," said Smoak, who said she had to buy a workbook for her son to practice in. "Can you imagine being an adult and not being able to sign your name to a document?"..."

That's because the schools don't teach it period. As of right now, in my state, they are too worried about having all the students pass the FCAT, and handwriting is not on the FCAT. Neither is Science or Social Studies, and that isn't regularly taught to certain grades either.


But you're really missing the point. Education is not one-size-fits-all. Some children do not, and cannot learn the same way as others. By standardizing everything, you leave all of those kids out in the cold.
 Quoting: zombieintraining


Did you read about the program that you are 'against'? That is exactly their point. I suggest that you go take a look. It encourages teaching children in different ways, because they do not all learn the same hf

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They just tell you that, so you'll feel better off for being damned near retarded. Its really sad, but if you can find textbooks from the 1800's or 1700's then ignore this "computer literacy" bullshit, and really bask in what was public school knowledge.

And honestly most peoples "computer literacy" just involves slamming keyboards, yelling obscenities, and updating the government on their locations, and current thought crimes.

We are a pale shadow compared to those who came before.
 Quoting: LouisWinthorpeIII

clappa
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Kids do NOT have a broader education than they did 30years ago.
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They are getting a broader education alright. But sadly it is with no ability to discern the information overload.
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I suppose it would be better than not being able to write at all hf

[link to www.usatoday.com]

"...Kids have a broader education than they did 20 years ago," said Jennifer Cockrell, an elementary language resource teacher for Brevard Public Schools. "Computer literacy is also important. Cursive is not taught at the point that it once was."

Many parents said they are upset to see the skill deteriorate.

Lisa Smoak, a parent volunteer at Longleaf Elementary in Melbourne, Fla., recently took a thank you card to school for her son's fifth-grade class to sign.

Of 22 pupils, only three signed in cursive.

"My son is not comfortable with cursive," said Smoak, who said she had to buy a workbook for her son to practice in. "Can you imagine being an adult and not being able to sign your name to a document?"..."


They just tell you that, so you'll feel better off for being damned near retarded. Its really sad, but if you can find textbooks from the 1800's or 1700's then ignore this "computer literacy" bullshit, and really bask in what was public school knowledge.

And honestly most peoples "computer literacy" just involves slamming keyboards, yelling obscenities, and updating the government on their locations, and current thought crimes.

We are a pale shadow compared to those who came before.
 Quoting: LouisWinthorpeIII

+7 Louis hf
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Well, there have always been standards for teaching handwriting--nothing new. Loops start at one dot and leaning letters. In the second grade every kids handwriting looks about the same. Then something unexplainable happens, individuality is born out of an innate intelligence. No one can fight the brilliance of the young unique mind. Let them try.

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