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Have food?


Gold and silver are nice, but one cannot eat them.




Property is great but if one is starving or has few options-food is CRITICAL


S. 510 must be stopped-Codex Alimentarius is already being implemented and this Bill will cause many to die prematurely-Please research the Bill and see this is about GLOBAL GOVERNACE and universal contamination of our food.
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I am as sincere as I could ever be-your life does depend on it-Hopefully, more will become proactive in protecting their food and their options to produce their own food. If not, starvation will be a learning experience, but options will no longer exist...then

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When Japan happened I responded: "The Excrement Has Impacted the Rotary Oscillator." and clearly it has.
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food is mission critical. no food no control.
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i will be doing another mass purchase in a month or less. time to rotate and donate some to charity. i have spent a lot in the last year on proper storage containers, in case i need a hasty retreat ;)

i have been using the ziploc vacuum systems that are really handy, reusable, and you can get started for $10
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i will be doing another mass purchase in a month or less. time to rotate and donate some to charity. i have spent a lot in the last year on proper storage containers, in case i need a hasty retreat ;)

i have been using the ziploc vacuum systems that are really handy, reusable, and you can get started for $10
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Those are good to use...I have been hitting the canning action lately...and fasting...


Many need to get ready-we are oh so close-


I do not want them dictating to me about my garden...I know too many who will throw the sabre down on these kind of things...and no matter the outcome...it will be tragic for many-


It is so irritating that they are so incompetent about so many things yet they think they can dictate to me-or anyone else. Admittedly, there is too much ignorance...but not all-and if someone will always demand to wipe their ass-it will just take those babes longer to figure critical info out-if at all.

Hope your family is well. Take care Malu in all ways-keep eyes observant, and ears alert...

REALLY.

Ciao hf
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When Japan happened I responded: "The Excrement Has Impacted the Rotary Oscillator." and clearly it has.
Thread: The Excrement Is Striking the Rotary Oscillator
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"Ego et Dominus sumus amici"
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Ego et mea umbra
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'Man does not have the right to develop his own mind. This kind of liberal orientation has great appeal. We must electrically control the brain. Some day armies and generals will be controlled by electric stimulation of the brain.’
- U.S. government mind manipulator, Dr. Jose Delgado, Congressional Record, No. 262E, Vol. 118, 1974
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Realeyesrealizereal​lies. C.

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I bought 800 tacos from Taco Bell last month and put them in an extra-large, well-sealed plastic bin last month. I think I'm ready for TEOTWAWKI.
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Oh brother, here we go again....

This is about the 7th or possibly 8th thread on this subject (s510). You can give it a rest now.

I've not read the whole bill, but certainly much of it; and I've read the complete summary since I've seen the nutcases saying they're outlawing home-grown food. One person on another thread said it means they can come to your home and, at gunpoint, take your home-grown food.

Nonsense. No where in the bill does it say anything about home-grown food being illegal. If it does, please point it out for me
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I'm learning how to make fermented foods. It's easier than canning and extra healthy for the gut. I will use other methods of storing as well, but right now I'm really into experimenting with fermented foods and beverages.

This is what I want to try next:

Old-Fashioned, Healthy, Lacto-Fermented Soft Drinks: The Real "Real Thing"
Wednesday, 18 June 2003 10:59

My brother John and I share a hobby of brewing lacto-fermented sodas--root beers and ginger ales--which we share among family and friends and occasionally sell at health food conventions. Often we are asked, "Where can I buy this?" Our answer is "Nowhere." Unless you are lucky enough to run into us at the Weston A. Price Foundation yearly conference, chances are you will never see lacto-fermented soda for sale anywhere.

Our personal reasons for not "expanding our operation" are deeply relevant to the conflict between craft and commerce in food production. Usually I make soda in 5-gallon batches. The process is fairly time-consuming, but it fits in well with other chores and there is no obligation to brew a certain amount at a certain time. Since I enjoy brewing several times a week, I produce a surplus--far more than our own family can drink. To expand to a commercial level, though, would mean changes in the way I brew, because as it stands I can only net about $20 per hour of labor. To be commercially viable, I would need to exploit efficiencies of scale by buying better equipment: a bottle-washing machine, bottler, larger fermentation vessels, etc. Then it is no longer a kitchen hobby; it is a business that must consider shipping, legal licensing, labeling laws, sanitation regulations, accounting and so forth.
The Compromises of Commerce

So far so good. Some people are naturally inclined towards business. There are more and more small foodcrafting businesses these days, and I am happy to pay a premium for their products. But it is more than a matter of hobby versus business--there are certain compromises one must make to bring production past a certain critical volume. The critical volume for fermented foods is especially low, because the product is alive and working. Lacto-fermented soda keeps fermenting in the bottle, for instance, leading to foaming and spraying when you open it, or even dangerous exploding bottles if you leave them out long enough. There is a good reason that mass-marketed soft drinks are dead. In fact it is a necessity in the context of national brands, centralized production and mass distribution. To change the way food is produced and processed inescapably demands changes in the way it is distributed and sold.

The compromises one would have to make to sell fermented soda on an economically viable scale are constant refrigeration and scary warning labels, or pasteurization, or plastic bottles. None is acceptable to us, for ecological and health reasons.

Similar compromises apply to most of the fermented foods that have survived the last century of food industrialization. Pickles and relish are no longer fermented at all, but preserved in vinegar and sterilized with heat in the canning process. Wine is treated with sodium metabisulfite before fermentation to destroy wild bacteria and yeasts that make the results less predictable. Beer is usually pasteurized or microfiltered to kill or remove living yeast. Yogurt survives, but it just isn’t as good after the first day; the same is true of bread. Sauerkraut is usually pasteurized. To be sure there are niche brands, which are still living foods, available in health food stores, but then freezing or refrigeration is necessary. This is rather ironic, since a major motivation for fermenting foods in the first place was to preserve them, in the days before refrigeration.

To make our soda with pleasure and without compromise limits us to a production level of ten to twenty gallons a week. This is sufficient to supply perhaps five or ten households. From this realization, a new (or rather very old) economic model of food production suggests itself.
When Money Reigns Supreme

Anyone who has tried to incorporate all the principles of traditional foods into their diet will find that it is almost a full-time job. If you want to grind your own flour, bake your own bread, make your own yogurt, your own soaked-and-slow-dried nuts, your own relishes and chutneys, your own bone stock, your own sprouts, your own kombucha and ginger beer. . . this is more than the typical beleaguered house husband can handle. One wonders how they did it in the old days. The answer is, they didn’t! For one thing, before the age of the suburbs and the automobile, extended families lived together in the same house, and as often as not, next door to cousins and uncles. Four people cooking for 16 people is a lot easier than one person cooking for four. Moreover, communities were small and close-knit, and there was probably some degree of specialization and sharing among households.

I don’t want to make ginger beer for hundreds of people, most of them strangers, but I would be delighted to make it for a handful of other families whom I know well. Maybe one of them would make fresh-ground slow-rise sourdough bread for me (I never could get that to work). Maybe another would supply me with chutney and fish sauce. Maybe another makes soy sauce. Another brews beer; another wine from their own grapes. Maybe another neighbor has a 30-gallon cauldron for making beef stock; another, a 30-gallon pickling crock. For most traditional foods, the optimum level of production is more than for the nuclear family, but less than what is considered economically viable in today’s money economy.

Money can facilitate exchange among friends and neighbors, but in essence money is an anonymous form of energy--almost by its definition as a universal medium of exchange. Among friends and neighbors, the usual laws of market economics do not apply. You don’t seek to maximize profit. You don’t raise your prices to the maximum just because you can. You are not doing it for the money; you are doing it for your family and for the neighbors. In an economy of reciprocation and social exchange--that is, in an economy that is not primarily a money economy--"economic efficiency" takes on a different meaning.

The more anonymous the customer, the more money stands as the sole motivating force. In today’s multi-level, automated and standardized food production & distribution system, the consumer is almost totally anonymous to the farmer, the commodity buyer, the processing factory and even the grocer. There is no reason to care about the wholesomeness of the product, except to the extent necessary to conform to whatever regulations are enforced, and whatever the public might find out about. No reason? Oh pardon me, I forgot about altruism. Yes, of course, a company might make products better than they need to be out of an abstract altruism, but when the very real pressures of market competition come to bear, such altruism quickly degenerates into sloganeering and PR. Some version of "caring about the health of the consumer" surely appears in the mission statements of all the major food corporations, including the most egregious violators of the public trust. In other words, it is hard to genuinely care about someone you don’t even know. Compassion in the abstract is almost always a self-deception. Much more reliable is the goodwill and mutual sense of responsibility that exists among neighbors who are bound together into a community, their good intentions enforced by social pressure and the intimacy of long association.

In many areas of life, social mechanisms of enforcing responsible behavior have atrophied as communities have disintegrated. These have been replaced by legal mechanisms. The old mechanisms of social pressure, reputation, etc., have lost their power. No matter how much your neighbors dislike you, your money is still good at Wal-Mart. In today’s anonymous society, we are little dependent on our communities, which have become mere collections of buildings. More and more, we are connected to our neighbors by proximity only. The increasing legalism and litigiousness of America is a symptom of unraveling communities, weakening connections. On a most basic level, we no longer make food for each other. All phases of food production, from the farm to the kitchen, are increasingly the province of strangers who are paid to do it.

You cannot pay someone to care. You can pay someone to act as though they care; you can pay them to follow meticulous guidelines; but you can’t make them really care.

Wholesomeness of food is more than a matter of which methods and processes are used to bring it from soil to table. When caring is codified, the code loses much of its meaning, especially under the influence of powerful corporations. The letter persists while the spirit departs. Many of the best, most conscientious farmers I know eschew the organic certification, because they know that food produced according to the letter of the organic code need not be consonant with the spirit that gave birth to organic farming in the first place.

An alternative path exists: food should not be primarily a commodity. Food is a gift of God’s Good Earth, for which all religious traditions teach gratitude. To subject it to the economic regime of the lowest bidder is to desecrate the gift and insult the Giver. For most of human history, the sharing of food was a significant social act, cementing ties between friends and kin, showing welcome to strangers. Today it has become an anonymous act of commerce.
Other people in other times would no doubt have thought it exceedingly strange, if not downright obscene, for total strangers to grow, process, and even cook nearly all one’s food.
The Proper Role of Money

That is not to say that food should never be bought. Money has its rightful role, even among friends, as an aid to fairness and a means of support. What I am saying, rather, is that the sharing of food should be part of a personal relationship. Money may be involved, but the profit motive should be secondary. In my economic relationships with the local farmers I know, I am happy to pay them a fair price, in hopes that they will be prosperous. My sentiment is partly selfish, because I know that if they are prosperous, they will continue to provide me with good food. But also I simply don’t feel good about eating food that comes through the devaluing of another human being’s labor, especially when I know that human being personally. When a personal relationship exists between food supplier and food consumer, then bargaining becomes a process of each party coming to understand the other’s circumstances to find a mutually fair price, rather than a heartless and shameless exercise of getting the best possible price, which in economics is called "maximizing utility" and in commonsense language is called greed.

In working with my bacterial soda culture, I sometimes get the feeling that the bacteria themselves don’t want to be sold. Similarly, I feel that sauerkraut wants to live in a barrel in the basement. Before you dismiss this as a flight of fancy, consider the uncanny resistance of truly wholesome food to mass production and mass distribution. Most fresh foods, for example, have a limited shelf life, which can only be extended by killing the food through processing, or putting it in suspended animation by refrigeration or freezing. The former response diminishes its healthfulness; the latter has environmental costs. (Also I never have believed that freezing fully preserves the healthfulness of food. It tastes less vibrant, even if all the enzymes are supposedly intact.) Other preservation methods, namely dehydration and fermentation, might arguably work for mass production and distribution, but even here there are problems with storage and shelf life--the food companies’ use of preservatives and pasteurization is not entirely gratuitous. Besides, such foods cannot account for the bulk of one’s year-round diet.
Foods of the Future

When people ask whether they can buy our soda in the future, we usually say, "No, but we’ll teach you how to make it." We envision a society where every household has a speciality, be it soda or sauerkraut, soap or stock, bread or soy sauce, that they make in quantities sufficient for five or ten households--precisely the quantity that maximizes efficiency without compromising quality. (It is not much more work to make ten gallons of soda than it is to make one, but to make fifty gallons is an enterprise of an entirely different order.)

We envision a society also where farmers are personally acquainted with the people who eat their produce, or perhaps, for certain products, linked through one degree of separation. This is workable, because almost as if by design, the ideal size for a sustainably operated mixed family farm is sufficient to meet the food needs of 20 or 30 families. Of course, farms might specialize to some degree, so each family might patronize three or four farms; even so, this calculates out to a manageable number of people per farm, few enough that the farmer can know each personally. Personally I believe that true sustainability requires even smaller farms, and more farmers. Maybe almost everyone not living in a city should be a part-time farmer, at least to the extent of tending a vegetable garden or keeping a few chickens.

In such a society, money alone would not guarantee good food. Moving into a new community, you would need to get to know people, build connections, find your niche. Moving to a new community would be a big deal, as indeed it was in yesterday’s small towns and neighborhoods, more demanding than simply finding where the supermarkets and superstores are located. There would be more sharing in life. We would be more dependent on our neighbors, less dependent on strangers living thousands of miles away, and less dependent on corporations governed by the profit motive. Food would recapture its ancient role of social bonding. This would, I believe, be a much happier society than our current one, with its alienation, loneliness and rootlessness.
Artisanal Home Soda Fermentation

So let’s get down to making lacto-fermented soda--the real thing. The first step is simply to realize that it is very easy. The minimum equipment is a glass fermentation vessel and the minimum ingredients are sugar, water and the culture. Mix them together and fermentation happens. To make it really delicious, though, some pointers are in order.

Step 1: Bring approximately 50 percent of your water to a boil and dissolve 1.5 cups of sugar in it for each gallon of soda you plan to make. If you are boiling roots in the water (see below), remove them before adding sugar. The sweet, somewhat viscous liquid you have now is called "syrup."

Step 2: Pour the syrup and the remaining water into your fermentation vessel. I like to use the scalding hot syrup to sterilize my vessel, but be careful not to pour it in too fast or it could crack. The resulting diluted syrup is still too hot for the culture. You can either wait, or cool the syrup first by letting the pot sit in a sinkful of cold water before adding it to the vessel.

Step 3: Add any other flavorings, such as lemon juice (see below) to the diluted syrup.

Step 4: Making sure the syrup has cooled to body temperature, add about a cupful of culture for each gallon of water. You could add less culture, but the more you add, the greater the head start your beneficial bacteria have over any opportunistic invaders, such as alcohol-producing yeasts.

Step 5: Cover the vessel (it need not be completely airtight, but it can be) and let it ferment. Fermentation rate is highly variable. If you like a sweeter soda, four or five days might be sufficient. If you want to ferment out most of the sugar, allow at least 10 days. Some additives such as mint and honey tend to inhibit bacteria and drastically slow fermentation.

Step 6: Time to bottle! Brewing supply stores carry siphon tubes to siphon the soda directly from carboy to bottle, but if you are fermenting in a jar you can simply pour it into bottles or scoop it in with a glass measuring cup. You must have some way to seal the bottles, either with a bottle capper or stoppered bottles (both available at brewing supply stores). Do not bottle the thick layer of sediment at the bottom of the fermentation vessel.

Step 7: Carbonation. The soda continues to ferment in the bottles, giving off carbon dioxide gas. Since the bottles are sealed, the gas has nowhere to go. In stays in the bottle and makes the soda fizzy. Depending on how fast it is fermenting, 2-5 days is usually enough time to create the optimum level of carbonation. You can always open a bottle and check.

Step 8: Stopping fermentation. Now we have a problem, because if the soda continues to ferment the bottles will foam over or spray when opened. The bottles might even explode if left out long enough. So when carbonation is sufficient, it is time to stop fermentation by putting the bottles in the refrigerator. Not enough room? A cold basement will work too, slowing down fermentation but not quite stopping it. Usually soda will keep just fine in the basement for a month or more.

Step 9: Drink it! Lacto-fermented soda is an excellent thirst quencher and contains beneficial lactic acid, vitamins, enzymes and beneficial lactobacilli that can inhabit your gut, where they protect you against pathogenic bacteria and yeast.

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Lacto-fermented sodas can be made commercially on a small scale. Illustrated here are two examples from Down Under. Phoenix Ginger Beer from New Zealand (left) is brewed from water, honey, ginger, lemon juice and yeast. Bundaberg Ginger Beer from Australia (right) is brewed from water, sugar, ginger and yeast but contains "food acid" and "preservatives." The Phoenix Ginger Beer wins the taste test and proves that quality soft drinks can be made on a commercial scale.
HOMEMADE SODA BASICS

Charles Eisenstein with soda containerThe Vessel: A one- or two-gallon glass jar is fine, but if you want to make larger quantities you’ll need a glass carboy, readily available at brewing supply stores for under $20. The five-gallon size works best. For a few cents you can also purchase a water lock, which bubbles merrily away as your soda ferments. All utensils should be clean, but antiseptic cleanliness is unnecessary. Usually we rinse the vessel a few times with water and sterilize it with the hot syrup for next batch.

Other VesselsOther Equipment: You will need bottles with good stoppers--a strong, tight cork, a beer bottle top, or a stopper held down with a wire. These are available at brewing stores and also at places like the Container Store. You will also need a funnel or siphon for transfering the soda from the vessel into bottles.

The Water: Do not use chlorinated tap water, as this will inhibit fermentation. Most filtered or bottled water works fine. If you must use straight tap water, boil it to evaporate off the chlorine.

The Sugar: We have gotten good results with sucanat, rice malt, maple sugar, jaggery, honey, and apple cider. The flavor from rapadura or molasses is too strong for most people. Honey is delicious but is best used as a flavoring rather than the main sugar source, because apparently honey inhibits bacterial growth. Even at half strength, honey soda can take months to finish. You can use fruit juice, but for some reason commercial canned fruit juice, even organic brands, produce noxious results. Fresh-pressed apple cider produces delicious soda, although it will probably be slightly alcoholic (1-2%) due to natural yeasts on the apples. Remember that most of the sugar will be converted into lactic acid in the fermentation process. Use about 1.5 cups of sugar per gallon of water.

GingerThe Culture: You can use a bottle of soda from the last batch as culture, or you can make your own from scratch. Dice fresh ginger root into tiny cubes and put a tablespoon of it into a mason jar 3/4 full of water, along with 2 teaspoons white sugar. Add another 2 teaspoons each sugar and ginger every day for a week, at which time it should become bubbly with a pleasant odor. If it gets moldy, dump it and start over. Even a small amount of culture will start a batch of soda going, but it’s best to use at least a cup per gallon so that these beneficial lactobacilli can dominate before less desirable microorganisms have a chance.

A Satisfied CustomerTraditional SodasFlavorings: The water used to dissolve the sugar need not be just water! You can use any herbal decoction to make soda with the flavor or medicinal qualities you are seeking. For example, to make ginger beer, boil sliced ginger root in the water, about one thumb’s-length per gallon of soda, for twenty minutes. Peppermint, spearmint, or other mint can also be used to flavor soda. Put the mint in boiling water, turn off the heat immediately, cover and steep. Lemon juice is a good addition to almost any soda flavor and seems to help preserve the syrup before fermentation gets going. Use approximately two lemons per gallon of soda, depending on juiciness. One of the favorite beverages in colonial America was root beer. Any roots can go into root beer, but the essential ones for flavor are sassafras and sarsaparilla. Sassafras in particular lends a pungent aroma and beautiful reddish color to soda, and is readily available throughout the Eastern US. Common medicinal roots like burdock, chicory, dandelion, and so forth tend to impart a strong mediciney "herbal" flavor to the soda. It’s the sassafras or sarsaparilla that make people say "Yum!"

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UM, PIN PLEASE. bump GOOD FIND OP ;)
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Good find?? You mean "Hey, way to go making stuff up!"
Yes, good work. Very well done.
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Discount all you want-it is of no consequence what YOU choose to do about 'made up stuff'-So no worries for you-I am so happy for you.

Others are a bit more realistic and have followed history closely-so another course of action is okay as well-


Only the ignorant deny the facts as they rapidly converge on world hunger-even the wheat issues alone will send many to the grave early



Time to speak up-or suffer your swollen tongue as they stick to the roof of your mouth oh vociferous ones, speaking hollow





In March 1993 Kevin Carter made a trip to southern Sudan and took this photograph. The picture would later bring him the Pulitzer prize, but also death. The girl had stopped to rest while struggling to reach the refugee camp, nearby a vulture is waiting her to die. It is a horrific picture that gave people a true look at the dire condition in Sub-Saharan Africa. Kevin then came under a lot of scrutiny for spending over 20 minutes setting up the photo instead of helping the child. Three months after taking the photo, he committed suicide.
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Enjoy your depression doubters, by your own words you will be left empty, when your hunger twists your stomach into a knot.

I hope more read the info-just as the Patriot Act did not threaten many-they did not read it-I read assurances will be in place to fill the civilian labor camps...and it seems the militants that are supposedly legal are becoming more egregious with their desire to CONtrol all-

I watched and remember Oliver North and his hearings(ie: civilian labor camps, programs to contain the people) and I have heard Kissinger say it often enough-they would control the people via FOOD AND WATER-so he was just bluffing, is that what you are suggesting???


Hammer time ahead
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When Japan happened I responded: "The Excrement Has Impacted the Rotary Oscillator." and clearly it has.
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"Ego et Dominus sumus amici"
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Ego et mea umbra
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'Man does not have the right to develop his own mind. This kind of liberal orientation has great appeal. We must electrically control the brain. Some day armies and generals will be controlled by electric stimulation of the brain.’
- U.S. government mind manipulator, Dr. Jose Delgado, Congressional Record, No. 262E, Vol. 118, 1974
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Many may want the sterility foods...others do not

Who decides???



"Monsanto and DuPont teamed up, you will recall, not so many years ago, to purchase the patent on a GMO corn that makes spermicide in the body, rendering the animals, including the human animals, which eat it, sterile or, if the animals are females, renders them unable to receive sperm without destroying it with antibodies to the sperm."

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Sterilizing as many as possible, and turning men into women seems to be the bigger goal...even the fish cannot breed...and how many men need the Viagra that is FLOODING the market-evidently MANY


One can see it firsthand-if they look close enough.



hissing in the grass...

“If people let the government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny.” ~Thomas Jefferson
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"There is No Right to Consume or Feed Children Any Particular Food; There is No Generalized Right to Bodily and Physical Health; There is No Fundamental Right to Freedom of Contract." ~ US Dept of Health & Human Services and US Food & Drug Administration

[link to foodfreedom.wordpress.com]


My imagination is pretty powerful, all these web sites and I did not build one of them...wowee

Even filing briefs...with my 'creative imagination'

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BTW

"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people." 9th Amendment US Constitution

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When Japan happened I responded: "The Excrement Has Impacted the Rotary Oscillator." and clearly it has.
Thread: The Excrement Is Striking the Rotary Oscillator
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"Ego et Dominus sumus amici"
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Ego et mea umbra
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'Man does not have the right to develop his own mind. This kind of liberal orientation has great appeal. We must electrically control the brain. Some day armies and generals will be controlled by electric stimulation of the brain.’
- U.S. government mind manipulator, Dr. Jose Delgado, Congressional Record, No. 262E, Vol. 118, 1974
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This Doctor, Dr Shiv Chopra, a Canada Health whistleblower is one of my minions too


“If accepted [S 510] would preclude the public’s right to grow, own, trade, transport, share, feed and eat each and every food that nature makes. It will become the most offensive authority against the cultivation, trade and consumption of food and agricultural products of one’s choice. It will be unconstitutional and contrary to natural law or, if you like, the will of God.” ~Dr. Shiv Chopra, Canada Health whistleblower


Monsanto even says it has no interest in it-we all can trust round up ready GMO/GE producers...is that what the canadian AC is suggesting too-all is well???

Monsanto says it has no interest in the bill and would not benefit from it, but Monsanto’s Michael Taylor who gave us rBGH and unregulated genetically modified (GM) organisms, appears to have designed it and is waiting as an appointed Food Czar to the FDA (a position unapproved by Congress) to administer the agency it would create — without judicial review — if it passes. S 510 would give Monsanto unlimited power over all US seed, food supplements, food and farming.
[link to foodfreedom.wordpress.com]
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- U.S. government mind manipulator, Dr. Jose Delgado, Congressional Record, No. 262E, Vol. 118, 1974
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Remember Clinton and HACCP???

Similar to the HACCP it extends a failed and destructive HACCP to all food, thus threatening to do to all local food production and farming what HACCP did to meat production – put it in corporate hands and worsen food safety.


Interesting how it coincides with Barry bypassing CONgress again


obama bypasses congress again:
recess appointment for dr. elisabeth hagen to usda post

[link to mediamonarchy.blogspot.com]

“The United States Senate has the responsibility to approve or disprove of my nominees,” Mr. Obama said in a statement. “But if, in the interest of scoring political points, Republicans in the Senate refuse to exercise that responsibility, I must act in the interest of the American people and exercise my authority to fill these positions on an interim basis.”

It was the first time the president has used his constitutional authority to fill vacant federal positions by making recess appointments, thus avoiding the requirement for the advice and consent of the Senate. Mr. Obama, who currently has 217 nominees pending and 77 awaiting action on the Senate floor, said Republicans had given him little choice.


Oh, I am supposedly imagining all these restrictions on our food...and so far...they are restricting them more and more-all options and ALL RESOURCES...Farmers were the enemies of the Russian revolutionaries also...taking farms and removing property to the state allowed 6 MILLION Russians to die-my own great grandmother starved there-so the AC denying the truth can STUFF IT and remember your deeds will follow you-

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When Japan happened I responded: "The Excrement Has Impacted the Rotary Oscillator." and clearly it has.
Thread: The Excrement Is Striking the Rotary Oscillator
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"Ego et Dominus sumus amici"
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Ego et mea umbra
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'Man does not have the right to develop his own mind. This kind of liberal orientation has great appeal. We must electrically control the brain. Some day armies and generals will be controlled by electric stimulation of the brain.’
- U.S. government mind manipulator, Dr. Jose Delgado, Congressional Record, No. 262E, Vol. 118, 1974
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Realeyesrealizereal​lies. C.

Thread: GIRD uP as GRID Collapses

Thread: Eugenics 101 (Page 27)

Thread: Frankenfoods for YOU (Page 2)

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Thread: Cern Power___Colder than Space

Thread: Hempilation Compilation Contemplation
Thread: Harmonics and Healing (Page 35)
Thread: Sarah's Nightmare (Page 10)
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I bought 800 tacos from Taco Bell last month and put them in an extra-large, well-sealed plastic bin last month. I think I'm ready for TEOTWAWKI.
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Oh brother, here we go again....

This is about the 7th or possibly 8th thread on this subject (s510). You can give it a rest now.

I've not read the whole bill, but certainly much of it; and I've read the complete summary since I've seen the nutcases saying they're outlawing home-grown food. One person on another thread said it means they can come to your home and, at gunpoint, take your home-grown food.

Nonsense. No where in the bill does it say anything about home-grown food being illegal. If it does, please point it out for me
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Rima LAIBOW is a shill who has done this shit before with HR 875:

[link to dissidentvoice.org]

The answers start with the NSF founders, husband-wife team Albert Stubblebine and Rima Laibow. Now, when I accuse these people of being disinformation professionals, let me explain. I’m not saying they’re doing sloppy research, and I’m not saying they’re being overzealous. What I am saying is that they are working, for pay, to spread false information and to make their organization look like a legitimate activist group.
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I watched and remember Oliver North and his hearings(ie: civilian labor camps, programs to contain the people) and I have heard Kissinger say it often enough-they would control the people via FOOD AND WATER-so he was just bluffing, is that what you are suggesting???


Hammer time ahead
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No one thinks these fuckers are bluffing, but they are NOT going to put it in a written law. They won't implement their real food control until after major collapse.
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...And STILL I am waiting for the answer to the question: Where in S510 does it say we cannot grow our own food?

You've succeeded in giving me peoples' OPINIONS, which mean nothing. Give me FACTS. Where EXACTLY does it say growing food will be illegal under this bill??

You do know the difference between Facts and Opinions don't you OP?

Answer the question!
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You people may not agree but I intend to eat my girlfriend if times are tough...obviously I'm not telling her my intentions.
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Holy, holy,holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.Praise the one who gives you peace beyond all understanding Yes that scripture still sounds good !
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Thx Wing-ed


as far the question from canada...
As far as questions-law is open to interpretation-One can argue either side of a coin...depending on how THEY CHOOSE TO ARGUE/DEBATE/present IT

But I am Cing beyond the written word or the spoken-if you seek you shall find-I have confidence in that-eventually all who seek are freed

Even I knew this in jr high many decades back and did many speeches with diametrically opposed views-succeeding either way-as one can with facts-


I have seen how these kind of thing occur and expand...like much of the over reaching they are involved with


I have no need to convince you-Your choices ARE YOUR OWN-Good luck
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Thread: The Excrement Is Striking the Rotary Oscillator
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'Man does not have the right to develop his own mind. This kind of liberal orientation has great appeal. We must electrically control the brain. Some day armies and generals will be controlled by electric stimulation of the brain.’
- U.S. government mind manipulator, Dr. Jose Delgado, Congressional Record, No. 262E, Vol. 118, 1974
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I bought 800 tacos from Taco Bell last month and put them in an extra-large, well-sealed plastic bin last month. I think I'm ready for TEOTWAWKI.
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you dude where do you live?!

i wanna hang with you!!!

"YOU QUIERO TACO BELL"
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What if they could figure our a way to charge for air?

Like in the Arnold Shorts-in-vinegar movie "Total Recall"?

Could oxygen be piped and sold to individual homes?
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I have also talked with farmers in the area and read quite a bit of the bill

I was offended that they would try to restrict my right to trade different veggies with one another, or to sell many things in the fruit and veggie stands on the side of the road.

In fact, recently another situation occurred, restricting options for many...for many parents found out consignment shops are no longer carrying kids clothes...

See our govt lets in clothes for kids from China or Taiwan or wherever that is leaded or contaminated...then the kids wear them...and then they go to consignment


Now unless a very expensive process is done-they must be tossed automatically-as though all the clothes were contaminated-even stuff from usa...

So instead of penalizing China or whomever does this they will penalize parents...

Wasn't originally set up to 'do this'...but that is how the Hegelian dialect works...and they are twisting the screws...and will on the food


I do not need them threatening stores or farmers who sell unpasteurized milk...or the vegetable stand that does not have the actual gram weight on each product...

I will take my chances with the Most High-you trust your big BOTHER.
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When Japan happened I responded: "The Excrement Has Impacted the Rotary Oscillator." and clearly it has.
Thread: The Excrement Is Striking the Rotary Oscillator
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"Ego et Dominus sumus amici"
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Ego et mea umbra
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

'Man does not have the right to develop his own mind. This kind of liberal orientation has great appeal. We must electrically control the brain. Some day armies and generals will be controlled by electric stimulation of the brain.’
- U.S. government mind manipulator, Dr. Jose Delgado, Congressional Record, No. 262E, Vol. 118, 1974
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Realeyesrealizereal​lies. C.

Thread: GIRD uP as GRID Collapses

Thread: Eugenics 101 (Page 27)

Thread: Frankenfoods for YOU (Page 2)

Thread: I Do Not Consent

Thread: FOOD

Thread: Cern Power___Colder than Space

Thread: Hempilation Compilation Contemplation
Thread: Harmonics and Healing (Page 35)
Thread: Sarah's Nightmare (Page 10)
Thread: Destination Maccabees
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Familiar with Bill Cooper???


Murdered


for spilling too many beans eh


Bill Cooper, in his book, Behold A Pale Horse, quoting a document from the Bilderberg Secret Society, an offshoot of Skull and Bones.


"Since most of the general public will not exercise [economic] restraint...[we must] take control of the world by the use of economic silent weapons in a form of quiet warfare and reduce [the dangerous levels of consumption] of the world to a safe level by a process of benevolent slavery and genocide." (p. 49).

How could anyone ever think of slavery and genocide as being benevolent? This was the precise thinking of Hitler as he was planning his New World Order.

He was going to rid the world of all the undesirables by benevolent warfare. We reviewed the horrible results in the beginning of the pro-gram; however, these figures pale in comparison with the deaths of 4 billion people.

Sounds about the same

Control by the hellcare plan, and then the Codex(as if they need to CONtrol dosage of a water soluble vitamin like Vit C)


rofl as if they were so concerned...


If I were to laugh any harder at such despicable measures I would throw up.
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When Japan happened I responded: "The Excrement Has Impacted the Rotary Oscillator." and clearly it has.
Thread: The Excrement Is Striking the Rotary Oscillator
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"Ego et Dominus sumus amici"
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Ego et mea umbra
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

'Man does not have the right to develop his own mind. This kind of liberal orientation has great appeal. We must electrically control the brain. Some day armies and generals will be controlled by electric stimulation of the brain.’
- U.S. government mind manipulator, Dr. Jose Delgado, Congressional Record, No. 262E, Vol. 118, 1974
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Realeyesrealizereal​lies. C.

Thread: GIRD uP as GRID Collapses

Thread: Eugenics 101 (Page 27)

Thread: Frankenfoods for YOU (Page 2)

Thread: I Do Not Consent

Thread: FOOD

Thread: Cern Power___Colder than Space

Thread: Hempilation Compilation Contemplation
Thread: Harmonics and Healing (Page 35)
Thread: Sarah's Nightmare (Page 10)
Thread: Destination Maccabees
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It would seem some of us might even be food for others...whether it is organ sales in NJ or elsewhere or someone who prefers very specific type of organs...



While many are distracted and food is being controlled, contained by a mere handful of people-m onsanto buying up patents on seeds ALL OVER THE WORLD and even using trickery and guile to steal seeds from third world countries-TO OWN THEM

Like Gates and his frozen seed bank...and monsanto-repeatedly trying to patent their pig-to dictate to all-sterilizing many with their foods...where are all the bees...and the bats dying from the white nose fungus-so the both shuts many caves down...I wonder why the Moose is also suffering from fungus-I doubt shutting caves down will save the Moose...


others unseen may as well be EATING humans.with hundreds of thousands of kids disappearing yearly-I wonder where they all go to???

seems we have heard rumors for thousands of years...

[link to www.checktheevidence.co.uk]

If one does not know-I would STRONGLY suggest one attempts to read it-It WILL BE EYE OPENING
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Rosa DeLauro, whose husband’s firm lists Monsanto as a progressive client and globalization as an area of expertise, introduced early versions of S 510.

Yet monsanto states it has no interest in it...like when the monsanto attorney clarence thomas left them and went to the supreme court then the 1996 law changed allowing them to PATENT life...making themselves gods??? Dumping the toxic chit in the open fields to open pollinate with NATURAL AND FERTILE SEED without adequate safety studies or protection taken seems quite PURPOSEFUL


S 510 fails on moral, social, economic, political, constitutional, and human survival grounds.
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When Japan happened I responded: "The Excrement Has Impacted the Rotary Oscillator." and clearly it has.
Thread: The Excrement Is Striking the Rotary Oscillator
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"Ego et Dominus sumus amici"
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Ego et mea umbra
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'Man does not have the right to develop his own mind. This kind of liberal orientation has great appeal. We must electrically control the brain. Some day armies and generals will be controlled by electric stimulation of the brain.’
- U.S. government mind manipulator, Dr. Jose Delgado, Congressional Record, No. 262E, Vol. 118, 1974
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Realeyesrealizereal​lies. C.

Thread: GIRD uP as GRID Collapses

Thread: Eugenics 101 (Page 27)

Thread: Frankenfoods for YOU (Page 2)

Thread: I Do Not Consent

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Thread: Cern Power___Colder than Space

Thread: Hempilation Compilation Contemplation
Thread: Harmonics and Healing (Page 35)
Thread: Sarah's Nightmare (Page 10)
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Oh brother, here we go again....

This is about the 7th or possibly 8th thread on this subject (s510). You can give it a rest now.

I've not read the whole bill, but certainly much of it; and I've read the complete summary since I've seen the nutcases saying they're outlawing home-grown food. One person on another thread said it means they can come to your home and, at gunpoint, take your home-grown food.

Nonsense. No where in the bill does it say anything about home-grown food being illegal. If it does, please point it out for me




Rima LAIBOW is a shill who has done this shit before with HR 875:

[link to dissidentvoice.org]

The answers start with the NSF founders, husband-wife team Albert Stubblebine and Rima Laibow. Now, when I accuse these people of being disinformation professionals, let me explain. I’m not saying they’re doing sloppy research, and I’m not saying they’re being overzealous. What I am saying is that they are working, for pay, to spread false information and to make their organization look like a legitimate activist group.
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AHEM.
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Granny can still grow her carrots and bring them to you. THAT IS NOT THE THREAT FROM THIS BILL.

This bill will put harship on small growers. PERIOD. It in no way has ANY LEGAL INTERPRETATION of banning people from growing and eating their own food. It will not ruin the farmers markets it will simply give the government more regulatory control so they can eventually try to irradiate everything. It's a failed plan there are too many Hollywood and rich bitches who won't allow it because it will affect THEM.

Again, the HYPE is false, and always comes from Rima's camp.
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Granny can still grow her carrots and bring them to you. THAT IS NOT THE THREAT FROM THIS BILL.

This bill will put harship on small growers. PERIOD. It in no way has ANY LEGAL INTERPRETATION of banning people from growing and eating their own food. It will not ruin the farmers markets it will simply give the government more regulatory control so they can eventually try to irradiate everything. It's a failed plan there are too many Hollywood and rich bitches who won't allow it because it will affect THEM.

Again, the HYPE is false, and always comes from Rima's camp.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 526155

RIMA shrima

throw her story to the curb THEN and read the Bill-I do not want any more regulatory control on my food-they have plenty and still we have E Coli on spinach-it will not touch them-the cWHOREporate agri farms that are FILTHY. I HAVE READ IT AND I UNDERSTAND IT CLEARLY-denial will not prove me wrong-in fact, before 1 year from now has passed-most will be well caged...via the FOOD and WATER

WATCH and SEE


I C


I am not impressed with their idea of safety-but apparently it IS CRUCIAL TO THEM IMPLEMENTING THEIR ORWELLIAN NANNY WORLD-The ORDER



all about domination and control not our safety

It is a bit ironic looking at their epic GOM "fix", or their "safe air quality" in NY on 9ll


Or their pushing of mercury, squalene, fluoride, or contaminated vaccines

Discount it and reflect when the truth descends-



AND IT WILL

I enjoy the veggie stands and trading with many-it is our choice-why do you ar anyone feel the need to regulate my life when your own is out of sync???

Govt has not resolved their bankruptcy or their deceptions or corruption-I will pass on their fix-and thousands or millions more will as well-so they are left to kill as the murderers they are and shall prove to be.

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When Japan happened I responded: "The Excrement Has Impacted the Rotary Oscillator." and clearly it has.
Thread: The Excrement Is Striking the Rotary Oscillator
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"Ego et Dominus sumus amici"
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Ego et mea umbra
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'Man does not have the right to develop his own mind. This kind of liberal orientation has great appeal. We must electrically control the brain. Some day armies and generals will be controlled by electric stimulation of the brain.’
- U.S. government mind manipulator, Dr. Jose Delgado, Congressional Record, No. 262E, Vol. 118, 1974
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Realeyesrealizereal​lies. C.

Thread: GIRD uP as GRID Collapses

Thread: Eugenics 101 (Page 27)

Thread: Frankenfoods for YOU (Page 2)

Thread: I Do Not Consent

Thread: FOOD

Thread: Cern Power___Colder than Space

Thread: Hempilation Compilation Contemplation
Thread: Harmonics and Healing (Page 35)
Thread: Sarah's Nightmare (Page 10)
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Reject S.510

To:
President Barack Obama
Rep. John Tanner
Sen. Lamar Alexander
Sen. Bob Corker

May 14, 2010

In a briefing filed April 26 in support of a motion to dismiss a lawsuit filed by the Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund over the U.S. Food and Drug Administration's ban on the interstate sale of raw milk in Iowa.


Attorneys for the federal government have argued in a lawsuit pending in federal court in Iowa (The Iowa case alleges the federal restrictions on raw milk are a violation of the U.S. Constitution) that individuals have no "fundamental right" to obtain what food they choose.


"Plaintiffs' assertion of a 'fundamental right to their own bodily and physical health, which includes what foods they do and do not choose to consume for themselves and their families' is similarly unavailing because plaintiffs do not have a fundamental right to obtain any food they wish," the government has argued.

(You are only 'allowed' to eat or drink what the FDA gives you permission to.
There is no inherent right or God-given right to consume any foods from nature without the FDA's consent.
)

The government is wrong! We have the right to eat what we want, when we want, how we want, and how much we want! The government has no business interfering in the free exorcise of our God-given rights! The aggressive campaign against raw milk on large commercial dairy interests, "because it threatens the commercial milk business." The reason cannot be safety, since a report from the Weston A. Price Foundation revealed that from 1980 to 2005 there were 10 times more illnesses from pasteurized milk than from raw milk.

The federal government attorneys say the FDA's goal is to prevent disease, and that's why the "ban on the interstate sale of unpasteurized milk" was adopted.

The attorneys conceded that states ordinarily are expected to regulate intrastate activity but noted, "It is within HHS's authority … to institute an intrastate ban as well." Natural News reported the ban could be seen as violating the 10th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which leaves to states all powers not specifically designated in the Constitution for the federal body. The aggressive campaign against raw milk on large commercial dairy interests, "because it threatens the commercial milk business."


The reason cannot be safety, since a report from the Weston A. Price Foundation revealed that from 1980 to 2005 there were 10 times more illnesses from pasteurized milk than from raw milk.

The federal government attorneys say the FDA's goal is to prevent disease, and that's why the "ban on the interstate sale of unpasteurized milk" was adopted.

The attorneys conceded that states ordinarily are expected to regulate intrastate activity but noted, "It is within HHS's authority … to institute an intrastate ban as well."

Natural News reported the ban could be seen as violating the 10th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which leaves to states all powers not specifically designated in the Constitution for the federal body.

There is a proposal pending in Congress that critics say would do for the nation's food supply what the new health-care reform law has done for health-care resources. Should such an oppressive law actually pass, it would prove ruinous!

We the People, will not tolerate the continual erosion of our rights and protections any longer! We are saying ENOUGH! Butt the heck out! "S. 510, the Food Safety Modernization Act of 2010, may be the most dangerous bill in the history of the U.S.," critiqued Steve Green on the Food Freedom blog. "It is to our food what the bailout was to our economy, only we can live without money."

Dover , TN
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I can see how it will be more and more invasive-giving them further avenues to harass the living...


Ignore at your own peril

hiding

As far as the pasteurized or unpasteurized-I live about 2 miles from a well known dairy farmer...and I grew up by another 45+ yrs back-the changes the "food safety" clowns have brought forward have harmed us more than helped in producing veggies...or milk

I would rather not drink pus filled milk or have cheese made from it-with so many cows suffering from HGH and many cancers developing in many due to the HGH and hormones...

Strangely as one mocks me and others trying to warn the public of real threats-we have cops with pulled guns charging into a health food store in Calif...to take the unpasteurized milk...this was a store and before you are shown even more ignorant denying it for families-a family who made goat cheese with unpasteurized milk was just raided for the third time...so take it to the busted bank, and the robber barons, because that is who you will be beholden to for mere crumbs-if you can even get that

RESEARCH and read even some of the Bill, unless you have a reading comprehension problem-it will be clear enough the direction they are moving it.

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08/28/2010 07:17 PM
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Re: FOOD
Federal Control of Our Food Supply

As readers will recall, S.510 will require registration of all food facilities, including manufacturers, processors, packers and storage facilities. Any such facility that introduces food into interstate commerce without being registered and having paid the mandatory registration fee would be subject to penalties for marketing misbranded food.

Registered facilities must also implement hazard analysis, risk-based preventive controls, and food-safety plans. For large commercial operations and Agribusiness with their retained professional staffs of attorneys and accountants, these additional costs will be barely noticed; but for small farms and small operations, these regulatory requirements will be oppressively burdensome, even fatal.

In essence, this bill proposes total Federal government control over and tracking of food production, distribution, and sales supposedly to ensure “food safety” but which powers in fact would be unconstitutional and unnecessary. Under S.510, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) would empower the government to regulate food production at all levels, up and down the chain of production. For violations, the bill provides for criminal prosecution for producers, manufacturers, and distributors who fail to comply with the new laws, and punitive property seizures and large fines for each offense upon conviction. And S.510’s “science-based” approach tracks that found in Codex food guidelines.

The "new" 'witch trials'-to steal even more of the resources from the common folks
Just as it happened in Russia-the farms and resources taken by the state-and then 6 million RUSSIANS died of starvation-my own great grandmother died there from STARVATION


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