NY Governor to launch tobacco tax collection Concedes risk of violence in targeting Indian sales

Yes they will be the wholesalers collecting the taxes on the ciggs they deliver to the rez. So if they want Marlboro's and all of that...they will have to pay the taxes...no other way to get them. Unless you smoke one of the native brands like I do...I think the government can't touch those...

Buried tanks are a problem. Keep them above ground and build a berm

so they already grow tobacco and a rolling machine?
Commercial cigarettes are nitrated so they dont go out.
Much better to roll your own

And that just shows how an enterprise can prosper without .gov intervention to get in the way.

we dont
psychopathic little tyrants do
Read Vonnegut - psychopathic personalities.
He wrote about those pillars of the community
TPTB

They are made on sovereign territory...and trust me the native ciggs go out very easily...it's kind of a pain but whatever at 2.50 a pack I'm not complaining...

you understand
you understand very well

now that would throw some shit in the game
legalize weed

no not all drugs...just weed maybe...

much healthier. Nitrates in water makes blue babies. Even more toxic to inhale. If cigs go out they last longer.
Dont smoke commercial cigs - lung cancer
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

Words of USA Founders:

Thomas Gadsden:

"Our towns are built of wood and brick; if they are burned down, we can rebuild them; but liberty once lost is gone forever."

Samuel Adams:

"I would advise persisting in our struggle for liberty, though it were revealed from Heaven that nine hundred and ninety-nine men were to perish, and only one of a thousand to survive and retain his liberty. One such freeman must possess more virtue, and enjoy more happiness, than a thousand slaves; and let him propagate his like, and transmit to them what he hath so nobly preserved."

Nearly forgotten words, but strong still in their meaning.

I live in Seneca County and I'm with the Indians on this. Fuck the state. NY is broke and a joke I hope it completely collapses. Fuck NY.

Peace pipes rule.

you always make me laugh honey

european hugs, one for your left side and one for your right.

how 'bout Spelling?

I am on the side of the Indians!





A $4 tax on an item that costs .50cents to make is unfair taxiation.

Pot is illegal to grow even on the rez...federal bullshit ya know? The DEA or FBI can come on the rez and arrest anyone for a federal crime...same with the state police. When you call the cops if you live on the rez first the marshalls show up and then the state police...and if the marshalls can handle whatever is going down...the state police lets them take over...

you mess with ALL OF US> Dont think the Chippewa and Lakota and so on wont be behind you, all of one heart and one mind.

^^^^^^COUNT ON IT^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Samuel Adams:

"I would advise persisting in our struggle for liberty, though it were revealed from Heaven that nine hundred and ninety-nine men were to perish, and only one of a thousand to survive and retain his liberty. One such freeman must possess more virtue, and enjoy more happiness, than a thousand slaves; and let him propagate his like, and transmit to them what he hath so nobly preserved."

Nearly forgotten words, but strong still in their meaning.

And damn their "EYES."

The Injuns have been skating too long.

They LOST! Get over it!

Then DAMMIT FIGHT! We're ALL tired of being F##ked with.
Throw down! And I ain't a shill! Bless each of us!

Quit smoking. Why pay all that tax?

I hope the Seneca tribe can fight this usurpation through legal means, if not, they have every right to defend themselves.

Interesting you say that...I manage a convince store off the reservation...and when that tax went into effect people were pissed...but they still had the rez to go to...and now they wont. Many people say that they were gonna quit smoking when that tax went into effect...guess what? many of my customers still are paying 10.00 a pack...The government knew they would.

You are missing the point entirely.

You have a very open mind Angels for you to have your point of view and manage a convenience store off the reservation. Kudos.

OK OK OK (think Joe Pecci)

This is a huge pissing contest.

The Oneida - already own a manufacturing company - I think they are making NIAGRA cigarettes and they suck - and if you buy them at the casino - they still cost almost $5.00 a pack because they told the state that they would be "competitive"
in their pricing.
Gas BTW is just about the same as you can get on the "economy". They just aren't paying the taxes. As I live "here" I sometimes buy gas there and "it doesn't seem to "go" as far"" Could be my imagination.

The Seneca - make great cigarettes - no additives - which you cannot buy anywhere - but on a reservation.

I worked at TurningStone(5 yrs) (DO NOT FEEL SORRY FOR THESE GUYS!)
I got my cigarettes on line from a Seneca Reservation.
Again - you cannot (at least around here - (I hate to make a "blanket" statement)) buy them "on the economy". I worked at TurningStone - it was cheaper to get them from the Seneca Reservation.

THEN - we had FSC - Fire Safe TOXIC cigarettes. The reservations were the last to go with that (at that time the Oneida were not making their own).
(Oh and NY State was the FIRST to start that crap.)

So I started rolling my own and getting native tobacco (no additives) from the same Seneca reservation. (They are ALL ABOUT customer sevice BTW) - Then THE PACT ACT. Not just a NEW YORK thing - OBAMA did that.

You know - what "we" were doing" - ordering cigarettes on line - was legal - we we getting a product that was not available anywhere else. WTF? Now - if you want Seneca cigarettes - you have to live near a Res and get the FSC ones and still PAY THE TAX - Oneida put a "Casino TAX" on them.

BUT THE BOTTOM LINE is - Pissing Contest! The State of New York will do WHATEVER to get THE MONEY. Ya Like ANYBODY "IN CHARGE" cares about blood and bodies. Hey this GLP - we don't KNOW that?

IT'S not just about tobacco - it's not about treaties - it's about WHO CAN WE F--K and where can we get MONEY.
This is just PART of the WHOLE.

But I am 100% behind the Senaca - hang tough guys.
Somebody has to.