The sun is reacting to forces that can’t be seen. As requested, we will now “show” them to you and explain NIBIRU, PLANET X, and WORMWOOD.

... I’m certainly the “Science Type” you are referring to, but I also attended a Baptist University. As a result, I had to study/read the Old Testament as a freshman and the New Testament as a sophomore. I think the most interesting thing I learned was that the God of the Old Testament seemed to be a different being than the one from the New Testament. The writings about the Old Testament God seemed to be replete with jealous, vengeful and even murderous actions while the writings about the New Testament God seemed much different. I’m curious as to how you have resolved these differences. I have never been able to myself.

Good to hear from a true intellectual- someone who is smart enough to discard an idea without even the need to review it.

So do you put your hands in the garbage to check in case it's gold?

No, I'm pretty sure you recognise it's garbage and discard it.


Now that is funny!

You came all the way from Ireland, opened up this thread, and read every post.

It seems as if you stuck your whole head in and rooted around- not just your hands...

Since you read it- why don't you step up and offer more of your wisdom?

I didn't "come all the way from Ireland" to anywhere. This is the internet see? I don't have to even leave my desk.

And I'm not offering wisdom. When I see crap I know it's crap.

It's called discernment.

... I’m certainly the “Science Type” you are referring to, but I also attended a Baptist University. As a result, I had to study/read the Old Testament as a freshman and the New Testament as a sophomore. I think the most interesting thing I learned was that the God of the Old Testament seemed to be a different being than the one from the New Testament. The writings about the Old Testament God seemed to be replete with jealous, vengeful and even murderous actions while the writings about the New Testament God seemed much different. I’m curious as to how you have resolved these differences. I have never been able to myself.


Setheory-
First thought- It might make sense to go back and read more on your own. Start with the New Testament and let it take you back to places in the Old with footnotes. NIV is typically easier to read.

First passage that came to mind-

3The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4and said to Jesus, "Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?" 6They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.
But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." 8Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
9At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time…(John 8)

Our point- Jesus changes the perspective but the overall message is a warning that repeats again and again from the OT to the NT.

Also- Keep in mind that the New Testament contains some “jealous and vengeful” writings:
Jealous:
36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.(Matthew 22)
Vengeful:
The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. 21The rest of them were killed with the sword that came out of the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.(Rev 19)

Thanks for responding, but I don’t think you really explained how you have resolved all this.

Thanks for responding, but I don’t think you really explained how you have resolved all this.


You are very welcome, but please understand that we have never had to "resolve" this.
You made your position clear, but we have never seen a difference in attitude, righteousness or forgiveness between the Old and New Testaments.

I'm curious. Who is "we"?

Discernment? What a load of blarney. Me thinks, me laddie, in his ineffable use of the English language, has a tendency to be derisive.

I'm curious. Who is "we"?


We are a small group (Daniel's Seventieth Seven) that is distributing (for free) the work of the author. We are monitoring several sites such as GLP.

Here is the introduction from the original manuscript:



Page 4: (Introduction)
I am a Christian but could not endorse any existing denomination. Therefore, after careful consideration, I have donated this work to a new “church” for its promotion and protection. The church is called Daniel’s Seventieth Seven and can initially be found online at www.DanielsSeventiethSeven.com or www.Daniels77.com. This site will be used to provide news and updates regarding this manuscript as they become available and the church is under strict guidelines to encourage people to read the Bible on their own.

Did you review our other thread on GLP?
Thread: The sun is reacting to forces that can’t be seen. As requested, we will now “show” them to you and explain NIBIRU, PLANET X, and WORMWOOD.
Pres. C. Arthur served for 42 mo. as predicted by REVELATION! Both he and OBAMA were British citizens at birth! (Guess what’s next)

According to this Wikipedia link:
“As of April 2010, it (Kepler’s) is the last supernova to have been unquestionably observed in our own galaxy, occurring no farther than about 20,000 light-years from Earth.
However,
This can’t be correct because according to this Nasa Link and Photo:
[link to apod.nasa.gov]
The center of this Supernova Remnant known as Loop 1( North Polar Spur) is only 400 light years away and it is estimated to be 700 light years across.

In case I lost you, this is VERY CLOSE and also NOT VISIBLE to the naked eye!

At one time (in our past) Loop 1 was a star. And here is a likely trajectory for a star that is as close as this to our sun:
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

The Loop 1 Supernova Remnant is our sister star.

I guess you won't like this much then.
[link to www.skepticsannotatedbible.com]

According to this Wikipedia link:
“As of April 2010, it (Kepler’s) is the last supernova to have been unquestionably observed in our own galaxy, occurring no farther than about 20,000 light-years from Earth.
However,
This can’t be correct because according to this Nasa Link and Photo:
[link to apod.nasa.gov]
The center of this Supernova Remnant known as Loop 1( North Polar Spur) is only 400 light years away and it is estimated to be 700 light years across.

What can't be correct? Kepler's supernova is different from the Loop 1 remnant you mentioned, and just because it's 400 light years away does not mean it is only 400 years old (not sure if that's the source of your confusion or not but thought I'd clear that up).

Finally, the Astronut!

Clearly Loop 1 and Kepler's are different and we never implied that it was only 400 years old.

They are both in this galaxy.

Are you implying that either of these "stellar explosions" have finished?

I'm curious. Who is "we"?


We are a small group (Daniel's Seventieth Seven) that is distributing (for free) the work of the author. We are monitoring several sites such as GLP.

Here is the introduction from the original manuscript:



Page 4: (Introduction)
I am a Christian but could not endorse any existing denomination. Therefore, after careful consideration, I have donated this work to a new “church” for its promotion and protection. The church is called Daniel’s Seventieth Seven and can initially be found online at www.DanielsSeventiethSeven.com or www.Daniels77.com. This site will be used to provide news and updates regarding this manuscript as they become available and the church is under strict guidelines to encourage people to read the Bible on their own.

you know Bible peopel used to burn science people at the stake, right?

You, OP... are going to Hell for what you just wrote!







To those who attacked my first reply...

A bible type person, using science and paganism to prove thier own biblical points... THAT... is what seemed 'hellbounding'.

Science + Paganism = Heresies!

I passed no judgements on The Bible, Paganism or science... or how these systems have interacted. Though, I did use Native American beliefs to illustrate how Paganism has been interpreted in the US.

However, I did attack the OP for convoluting issues.


That makes us feel much better- how about you?


Shit, I'm fine with what I wrote the first time!

Bible says heresy is bad.

Study/use heretical knowledge is bad and heretics go to Hell.

Science is heresy.

Paganism is heresy.

Defend Bible with heresy is a ticket to Hell as you become a heretic.

Please tell me where/how I am wrong.

Name a supernova remnant that IS visible to the naked eye.

Name a supernova remnant that IS visible to the naked eye.



Yeah, sorry- we should have assumed that everbody is as smart as you.

Summary: Nibiru, Planet X, Wormwood , Hopi Blue Star

From the original Manuscript: Daniel’s Seventieth Seven (www.Daniels77.com )

Author’s Note: This is a summary from the original manuscript (pages 75-83) and this information is only a small piece of the entire story. The complete story is the Bible and you should read it on your own because Nibiru doesn’t matter. The “anti-Christ” doesn’t matter either, because he has already lost.

I am only posting this to get you (“Science Types”) to read the Bible.

This is what our solar system (and its magnetic shield) looks like as it travels through the universe at a very high speed:
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
This is what a “solar system” looks like after its star explodes- a Supernova Remnant (SNR):
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
You will note that it is NOT VISIBLE to the naked eye.

According to this Wikipedia link:
“As of April 2010, it (Kepler’s) is the last supernova to have been unquestionably observed in our own galaxy, occurring no farther than about 20,000 light-years from Earth.
However,
This can’t be correct because according to this Nasa Link and Photo:
[link to apod.nasa.gov]
The center of this Supernova Remnant known as Loop 1( North Polar Spur) is only 400 light years away and it is estimated to be 700 light years across.

In case I lost you, this is VERY CLOSE and also NOT VISIBLE to the naked eye!
At one time (in our past) Loop 1 was a star. And here is a likely trajectory for a star that is as close as this to our sun:
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

The Loop 1 Supernova Remnant is our sister star.

If any of you “Science Types” think that the Loop 1 “solar system” stopped moving or stopped its rotational interaction with our sun, then you should stop reading.

For those of you who may not understand that it still has a magnetic field:
[link to science.nasa.gov]

For those of you who are still with me, you understand that at some points we get very close to this SNR and at other times we are far away.
There will be a point in 2012 when the magnetic field of our sun will flip-flop. ( [link to www.polereversal.com] )
If this occurs while our solar system is passing at its closest point to Loop 1, then it could undergo what is called a “mass transfer”:
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

This “mass transfer” explains Nibiru, Wormwood (Revelation 8:10), Sodom and Gomorrah, and the Hopi Blue Star. Because, when the “mass” and radiation from Loop 1 hits Jupiter, it will light up like a Christmas tree:
In ancient Babylonian astrology (the MUL.APIN) Nibiru is identified as Jupiter:”
"When the stars of Enlil have been finished, one big star – although its light is dim – divides the sky in half and stands there: that is, the star of Marduk (MUL dAMAR.UD), Nibiru (né-bé-ru), Jupiter (MULSAG.ME.GAR); it keeps changing its position and crosses the sky."
“However, it would depend on the position of the planets and therefore another part of the MUL.APIN says:
"If Mercury (MULUDU.IDIM.GU4) divides the sky and stands there, [its name] is Nibiru."

Back to the Bible, Wormwood just means “bitter’, so this next passage means that the name of the star is ‘bitter’. Get it? Ju-piter! So, when the radiation from Loop 1 hits Jupiter, it will be lit up like a torch and when the radiation hits the earth, it radiate a third of the water and make it bitter. I believe that God’s prophecies are meant for people to understand at the appropriate time, and you can’t get more simple than Jupiter!”

10The third angel sounded his trumpet, and a great star, blazing like a torch, fell from the sky on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water— 11the name of the star is Wormwood. A third of the waters turned bitter, and many people died from the waters that had become bitter.(Rev. 12)

The real truth is how the Bible is able to pinpoint this and tie it to the life of the “anti-Christ”.

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Name a supernova remnant that IS visible to the naked eye.

WTH? There's no reason to get all sarcastic.

Know-it-all condescension was simply met with sarcasm.

Know-it-all condescension was simply met with sarcasm.
It was a serious question meant to illustrate a point. I can tell this thread is headed downhill fast. Just answer the question, what is wrong about the kepler supernova? It's far smaller than Loop 1, so naturally it's younger and indeed it is the latest supernova explosion to be observed in our galaxy. Loop 1's progenitor star would be many, many light years too far away to even consider as a possible "companion star," even for a minute. It's just ridiculous.

I guess you won't like this much then.
[link to www.skepticsannotatedbible.com]


We like the fact that you posted it. Now we know why you keep coming back for more.

And, thanks for the bump!

OP... what a bunch of drivel!

How can you, as a Bible person, possibly use Hopi prophecy ... or as your kind used to call it "Dirt Worshiping"... to back up any claims you might make about astrophysics?

You don't see any problems with your blending The Holy Bible (the word of God), with astrophysics (science... you know Bible peopel used to burn science people at the stake, right?) and Indian beliefs (PAGANISM!!!)?

You, OP... are going to Hell for what you just wrote!

To those who attacked my first reply...

A bible type person, using science and paganism to prove thier own biblical points... THAT... is what seemed 'hellbounding'.

Science + Paganism = Heresies!

I passed no judgements on The Bible, Paganism or science... or how these systems have interacted. Though, I did use Native American beliefs to illustrate how Paganism has been interpreted in the US.

However, I did attack the OP for convoluting issues.

Flat-out impossible. The hill sphere of the sun only extends to 230,000 AUs. Beyond that the sun's gravity no longer dominates compared to galactic tidal forces and perturbations from other stars. Even a massive star is not going to have a hill sphere that many light years wide.

I can tell this thread is headed downhill fast.

Just answer the question, what is wrong about the kepler supernova? It's far smaller than Loop 1....

so naturally it's younger and indeed it is the latest supernova explosion to be observed in our galaxy.

Loop 1's progenitor star would be many, many light years too far away to even consider as a possible "companion star," even for a minute. It's just ridiculous.

Discernment? What a load of blarney. Me thinks, me laddie, in his ineffable use of the English language, has a tendency to be derisive.

I see you are a racist.

Everybody continues to assume that Loop 1 is not in motion. Even your additional statement of fact that it is "too far away" assumes that it has not been headed toward us.

We have not stated that we do not know all the answers and we are pretty sure that you don't either...

Everybody continues to assume that Loop 1 is not in motion. Even your additional statement of fact that it is "too far away" assumes that it has not been headed toward us.

We have not stated that we do not know all the answers and we are pretty sure that you don't either...


Most "Scientific" people I know assume everything is in motion.

And didn’t you mean to say “We have not stated that we know all the answers”?