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Police taser 64 year old man in his own home.

 
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His wife is really sorry she called the police now....problem is these older folks still think that these LEO's are there to help them and they can look to them for help.....HAHAHAHAHa.
Maybe she knows better now the stupid bitch.

Like the woman that called because her mental son wouldn't take his crazy pills. Cops came, in under a minute he was dead. Pulled a knife, they say. She learned a hard lesson that day.

Maybe this is what it takes to wake people up to their plight.
Sad, isn't it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1087738

There are soooo many sheep and the media keeps them all sooo distracted, plus they live in fear of strangers because they've been raised to be gutless. They kind of hope the brutes on patrol will keep them safer somehow. Til the day comes they lose their temper in traffic, or fight with a flight attendant, or threaten some pip-squeaking public stooge (like a teacher) and get their chance to ride the lightnin for a few minutes, piss themselves and learn the error of their thinking.
In the 60's in my old neighborood, the cops didn't like coming in there. We had no street lights, sidewalks or cops, and no real problems.
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The only society that needs people like you are oppressive dictatorships. Your comment that you believe you're "needed" validates my claim that you're a psychopath. No decent functional society has a "need" for someone who thinks like you.


Is that what you think we live in? A decent functional society? Hah! That's a laugh. Thank you for proving my point. You are truly delusional and have no idea of the filth that is out there that the cops protect you from daily. Please continue enjoying living in your fantasy world while those of us who live in reality will keep protecting you from the filth you so vehemently defend.
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Obviously, we don't have a "decent functional society" because we have psychopaths in law enforcement! That's My point, -- like the one on your head.

The 36 minute video clearly illustrates "the filth that is out there," particularly in law enforcement. Psychopaths, like yourself, lack compassion and actually derive a sense of satisfaction from the act of robbing another person of every last shred of their dignity and autonomy, especially under the aegis of law enforcement. The victim in the video IS the person I vehemently defend, and the FACT that you refer to him as "filth" is despicable and truly the ranting of a psychopath.
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You cannot commit a crime in your house.


That's some good news...So, I can invite someone in, kill them and it's not a crime?
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As in it would be illegal to commit a crime in your house. Sorry for the confusion. Now respond to it again knowing that I wasn't trying to say you can commit crimes in your house.
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Ok, I'm not going to watch the whole thing, I stopped at about the fifth time the cop told him to put his hands behind his head and the guy refused...hell, the cop even told the dude he was going to tase him...


He was not legally obliged to follow their orders. Jack ass.


Really, so your house is like a law free zone? You can grow crack and snort Marijuana all you want in your house and not be subject to the law?


You cannot commit a crime in your house. The charge was resisting arrest, which was later dismissed. The only charge brought against him was dismissed. That means he didn't commit a crime. That means the cops didn't have a leg to stand on. That means you're retarded. It also means that your reading comprehension is horrid.

If you haven't committed a crime, then you have the right to tell the police to leave.


If your reading comprehension is so astute then you would recall me saying that I only watched the first few minutes of the guy refusing to put his hands behind his head...I realize that is confusing to you so next time try to pay attention...

My point isn't that he committed a crime...my point is to intelligently avoid an ass kicking...
 Quoting: BRIEF AND TO THE POINT


You shouldn't be commenting if you don't know what you're talking about. This guy was under no legal obligation to go to the hospital. He didn't have to let them cuff him. He was hurt and drunk, and didn't want them in his house any longer. So it's understandable him being irritated. Put yourself in his shoes for chirst's sake. If you couldn't afford a trip to the hospital, would you want them to call an ambulance for you? Would you want them cuffing you and harassing you in your own home, and right after you were injured?
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The default justification used by police and their sycophantic supporters is that they were acting in accordance with department policy and training. I have something to say about that, and it is the fact that in 1992 the NYC police department swapped a group of officers with the Moscow police department, for the purposes of training, seeing what each could learn about the other as far as policies and procedures went.

I would like to remind everyone that the SOVIET UNION was the very definition of a POLICE STATE. (It remains the same today, though this fact is disguised, but this is beside the point). The USA has NOTHING to learn from such a criminal government, yet the facts are the facts. It happened, and it explains everything, if you know just one simple fact:THE COLLAPSE OF THE SOVIET UNION WAS STAGED.

The fact of the matter is that the Sovietization of the United States is occurring before your very eyes.
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If this happened 30 yrs. ago, I don't think you could have found 1 american who would think this was justifiable. The fact that so many can rationalize it now proves to me that we are perilously close to losing our national soul, if we haven't already.
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This shit ain't gonna stop until the people in these communities finally say ENOUGH! Take names and badge numbers, and start holding these pigs accountable! Start ostracizing them in their own communities...get word out of their thuggery abuse...plaster their names and pictures along with their crimes in every conspicuous area in the community.
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Good idea, but how? Has anyone mentioned the names of the deputies? It appears none of the news stories or discussions (there are a lot) identify them.
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The only society that needs people like you are oppressive dictatorships. Your comment that you believe you're "needed" validates my claim that you're a psychopath. No decent functional society has a "need" for someone who thinks like you.


Is that what you think we live in? A decent functional society? Hah! That's a laugh. Thank you for proving my point. You are truly delusional and have no idea of the filth that is out there that the cops protect you from daily. Please continue enjoying living in your fantasy world while those of us who live in reality will keep protecting you from the filth you so vehemently defend.



Obviously, we don't have a "decent functional society" because we have psychopaths in law enforcement! That's My point, -- like the one on your head.

The 36 minute video clearly illustrates "the filth that is out there," particularly in law enforcement. Psychopaths, like yourself, lack compassion and actually derive a sense of satisfaction from the act of robbing another person of every last shred of their dignity and autonomy, especially under the aegis of law enforcement. The victim in the video IS the person I vehemently defend, and the FACT that you refer to him as "filth" is despicable and truly the ranting of a psychopath.
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I'm not referring to this old man as filth, he is the exception and not the rule when it comes to law enforcement. I take no pleasure in depriving anyone of their freedoms, I do however take issue with armchair quarterbacks criticizing that which they know nothing about. Speaking as if they are an authority on something when the reality is that they are just "fighting the power".

Are you insane? This man threatened to shoot himself in the head, how is anyone supposed to take that lightly? Especially an agent of the govt.

You must be out of your mind to think that officer was going to stand there and beg and plead with this man all night to get consent. There is a time for talk and when that doesn't work, it's time for action. If you or others don't like the action that YOU forced them to take, don't fight them. Comply with the orders and sort it out later. That's why we have a legal system.

Nothing good will ever come from fighting with the police, not in a "decent and functional society".
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By the way, the 9th circuit court of appeals ruled last year that the use of tasers is ILLEGAL in all cases except those in which there is a real, serious, and immediate threat to the life of the officer.

As an aside,I hope the poster known as Brief And To The Point gets cancer and dies a horrible death, or is run over by a truck, or is brutally assraped by a negro cop.
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If this happened 30 yrs. ago, I don't think you could have found 1 american who would think this was justifiable. The fact that so many can rationalize it now proves to me that we are perilously close to losing our national soul, if we haven't already.
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30 years ago you would have had a man who would have most likely complied with the officer in the first place. If he didn't, then it was his choice to live with. If the man did end up shooting himself in the head, there wouldn't have been a line of attorneys lined up halfway around the block looking to sue the deep pockets so he could make himself and the widow rich.

Back then, people took responsibility for their own actions. Nowadays, everyone is sue happy and these agencies do everything by the book while exposing their agency to the least amount of liability.
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Nothing good will ever come from fighting with the police, not in a "decent and functional society".
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It's neither of those two things, idiot. It used to be, but it isn't any more.

Fighting the police is more honorable than submission in a police state. It is also the only hope for societal freedom.
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By the way, the 9th circuit court of appeals ruled last year that the use of tasers is ILLEGAL in all cases except those in which there is a real, serious, and immediate threat to the life of the officer.

As an aside,I hope the poster known as Brief And To The Point gets cancer and dies a horrible death, or is run over by a truck, or is brutally assraped by a negro cop.
 Quoting: HL Shancken


If that ruling sticks, we will see the same people on here bitching about cops having to whoop the mess out of somebody with their collapsible batons or pepper spraying an asthma sufferer. Some of these people will never be happy.
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Nothing good will ever come from fighting with the police, not in a "decent and functional society".



It's neither of those two things, idiot. It used to be, but it isn't any more.

Fighting the police is more honorable than submission in a police state. It is also the only hope for societal freedom.
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I'm aware and was quoting a previous poster.
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Why didn't one of the officers pull the wife aside and quietly ask her if she thought her husband was serious about killing himself. She would have told the cop that the guy just had a really bad night and was spouting off, after all she is his wife and presumedly knows the guy better than the cops. At that point I don't think the cops would be liable if he did commit suicide. That's the way good cops used to handle situations like this.
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If this happened 30 yrs. ago, I don't think you could have found 1 american who would think this was justifiable. The fact that so many can rationalize it now proves to me that we are perilously close to losing our national soul, if we haven't already.


30 years ago you would have had a man who would have most likely complied with the officer in the first place. If he didn't, then it was his choice to live with. If the man did end up shooting himself in the head, there wouldn't have been a line of attorneys lined up halfway around the block looking to sue the deep pockets so he could make himself and the widow rich.

Back then, people took responsibility for their own actions. Nowadays, everyone is sue happy and these agencies do everything by the book while exposing their agency to the least amount of liability.
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Solzhenitsyn gave a speech about this very thing in 1974. He knew that the Soviets were turning this country into just what you describe. It is sabotage and it is done via infiltration and subversion. But you don't know these things, so you insert a sentence about people no longer being responsible for their own actions, which has nothing to do with anything and is far from any justification for the sovietization you lament but willingly accept.
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Why didn't one of the officers pull the wife aside and quietly ask her if she thought her husband was serious about killing himself. She would have told the cop that the guy just had a really bad night and was spouting off, after all she is his wife and presumedly knows the guy better than the cops. At that point I don't think the cops would be liable if he did commit suicide. That's the way good cops used to handle situations like this.
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Because an Attorney would have a field day with that bullshit written on a report.

Attorney: So Officer friendly, you mean to tell me that you took the word of a distressed elderly woman in a highly emotionally charged situation over your training, experience, and department policy and procedure?

Officer: Yes, yes I did. She said she did not think he was serious.

Attorney: Thank you Officer, no further questions.

Jury awards widow 15 million dollars for negligence of this officer on behalf of his department.

Are you serious? Do you have any idea how the legal system and courtrooms work nowadays?
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By the way, the 9th circuit court of appeals ruled last year that the use of tasers is ILLEGAL in all cases except those in which there is a real, serious, and immediate threat to the life of the officer.

As an aside,I hope the poster known as Brief And To The Point gets cancer and dies a horrible death, or is run over by a truck, or is brutally assraped by a negro cop.


If that ruling sticks, we will see the same people on here bitching about cops having to whoop the mess out of somebody with their collapsible batons or pepper spraying an asthma sufferer. Some of these people will never be happy.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 624751

You're assuming that cops need to beat, spray or tase cranky old people in their homes for the crime of being cranky.
Why?
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HOLY SHIT! This is torture and most people will do nothing about it.

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Why didn't one of the officers pull the wife aside and quietly ask her if she thought her husband was serious about killing himself. She would have told the cop that the guy just had a really bad night and was spouting off, after all she is his wife and presumedly knows the guy better than the cops. At that point I don't think the cops would be liable if he did commit suicide. That's the way good cops used to handle situations like this.


Because an Attorney would have a field day with that bullshit written on a report.

Attorney: So Officer friendly, you mean to tell me that you took the word of a distressed elderly woman in a highly emotionally charged situation over your training, experience, and department policy and procedure?

Officer: Yes, yes I did. She said she did not think he was serious.

Attorney: Thank you Officer, no further questions.

Jury awards widow 15 million dollars for negligence of this officer on behalf of his department.

Are you serious? Do you have any idea how the legal system and courtrooms work nowadays?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 624751




You are obtuse. You are fit only for the system you claim to decry. You are not a human being, but a thing called "homo sovieticus."

You would follow any policy put in front of you. If you were German and living many decades ago you would have on a brown shirt. If you were Russian you would gladly be a star chamber judge, a torturer, an executioner, because you do not question the system. You pretend to bemoan its trifling shortcomings, but in reality you care little because you believe you can make any system work for you, because you believe in the rule of law, and you know that the system is a system of laws. You simply don't mind that they are unjust to the core.
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Pretty disturbing video.
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Pretty disturbing video.
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I don't know what's more disturbing, the video or the posters who think it's OK for this kind of thing to happen in america. Damn sure not the country I grew up in. Not much left to love about it.
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If this happened 30 yrs. ago, I don't think you could have found 1 american who would think this was justifiable. The fact that so many can rationalize it now proves to me that we are perilously close to losing our national soul, if we haven't already.


30 years ago you would have had a man who would have most likely complied with the officer in the first place. If he didn't, then it was his choice to live with. If the man did end up shooting himself in the head, there wouldn't have been a line of attorneys lined up halfway around the block looking to sue the deep pockets so he could make himself and the widow rich.

Back then, people took responsibility for their own actions. Nowadays, everyone is sue happy and these agencies do everything by the book while exposing their agency to the least amount of liability.



Solzhenitsyn gave a speech about this very thing in 1974. He knew that the Soviets were turning this country into just what you describe. It is sabotage and it is done via infiltration and subversion. But you don't know these things, so you insert a sentence about people no longer being responsible for their own actions, which has nothing to do with anything and is far from any justification for the sovietization you lament but willingly accept.
 Quoting: HL Shancken


Admittedly I don't know anything about a Solzhenitsyn or whatever. Congrats you on repeating some obscure bullshit that 99% of the population knows nothing about, that makes you really really smart and everyone else is dumb!

The bottom line is that policy is shaped by history. The actions of you and yours today will shape the direction of policy and procedure tomorrow.

In a society where lawsuits relieve people of personal responsibility, everything will be done to avoid lawsuits.

You would like to think that what I said is no justification for todays events, but ask yourself this:

If you are an administrator in a police dept or a chief, and your department keeps getting sued for something, aren't you going to re-write policy to change the actions. If that happens over and over again you are constantly changing policy to relieve yourselves from liability and you end up with what we have in todays law enforcement. Men and women working within the boundaries of policy, procedure, laws, and public opinion, all trying to do the job of keeping the public safe by enforcing laws. Sound like a no-win situation?

Welcome to today's Law Enforcement in the US. You couldn't pay me enough to be a patrol officer.
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Nothing good will ever come from fighting with the police, not in a "decent and functional society".
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Decent and functional being the operative terms here.
We do not live in a decent nor functional society.
That being said I urge people to use their heads and be smart about how they conduct their affairs so that they are "honorable" in this age of dishonor.
Violence solves nothing, that is why we were endowed with intelligence.....use it.
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You're assuming that cops need to beat, spray or tase cranky old people in their homes for the crime of being cranky.
Why?
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I'm not assuming that, it's ridiculous. What I am saying is that there is always going to be the people bitching about what Law Enforcement does no matter what tactics they use just because they don't like being told they can't do something.

Using a Taser on an old man may be overkill, since I am not privy to this particular department's policy and procedures, I can only assume that if this Officer is cleared, then Tasers fall under hands on use of force in their continuum.
I really don't know, do you?

When is the use of force justifiable by Police Officers? Death only situations?

Ok, so when you need to get that meth tweaker or DUI or assault suspect into custody and asking nicely doesn't work, then what? Break bones with a baton, Taser, or just shoot him?

The Taser is the least destructive option of those so why the bitching? A man who is that adamant about going into the hospital is going to fight you the second you put your hands on him to cuff, so then what? Risk breaking his arms to cuff him? Risk him falling to the ground to break a hip? Risk stroke, heart attack?

Or Tase him and avoid all of those other risks?

See what I mean? None of these are good options, the best option is not to resist in the first place. The second you do, you open yourself up to injury.
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For those of you making comments did you watch the video?

HOLY SHIT! This is torture and most people will do nothing about it.


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It's called an Involuntary Commitment and it exists for the exact reasons listed above by many posters. If the cops shrugged his threat of suicide attempt off and he did it after they left, every govt. agency involved would be on the hook for liability.

Police, Fire, EMT's, everyone that is involved from the point the 911 call was made. If the man made the comment that he was suicidal, they are legally obligated to commit this man.

The guy chose to be a dipshit resisting after he made this comment so yeah, the police had to do something to get him in cuffs. Him sitting on the chair and refusing to get up is in fact passive resistance, and the officers are within their boundaries to use force to get him to comply. Would I have Tased him? Probably not, but I wasn't there. Would I have got this guy in cuffs one way or another? Yes. Unfortunately at that point, the cops are damned if they do and damned if they don't. If they beat his ass to get him in cuffs, he might have a heart attack, stroke out, or end up with serious traumatic injuries like broken bones, heavy contusions, etc.

They really can't win. People keep harping on these cops about how they aren't like the cops of old days, well times have changed and they have to change with them in order to be effective at their job. If people don't like being handled by police, then don't do shit to get them involved in your life. If you get caught, then step up and own your fuckup. Instead nowadays you got idiots who get off scott free on murders where they are found over the top of a body with a machete in their hands due to shitbag defense attorneys who attack the Officers credibility and free these guys on technicalities.

The system is twisted up and until it changes, it will be business as usual for these cops. Don't like it? Live right then.



Oh bullshit, your a freaking cop! So yeah, of course you would justify this bs!

Sorry, but it's because of the mentality of YOUR kind that this shit happens!

Officers Mack and Cooke NEVER would have done this! Instead, they would have talked to the man, getting hold of the situation, and NOT gotten the man so angry.

It use to be that cops had to have at minimum an Associates Degree to even take the exam. Why was that? Because in getting that associates degree, in ensure that cops were knowledgeable in sociology, psychology, and even physiology! Cops were required to take certain courses, so they were knowledgeable in how to deal with PEOPLE, of ALL stripes and backgrounds! They knew how to use psychological techniques to calm a situation, or even how to talk to hostage takers or armed gunmen in general. Today, rather than using psychological techniques, they just use FEAR TACTICS and BRUTALITY!!

You do a major disservice to veteran cops! But that's the mentality we have running the "order in our streets" today. Rather than seeing civilians as their equals, or even as their employers, the cops see civilians as nothing but chattle to be ran down, bullied, and put into submission at ANY cost! Much like modern day cattle ranchers who, rather than using horses (the natural way) for rounding up cattle, they run them down with loud, threatening ATVs and trucks. Then they wonder why even cattle have become so dangerous as to charge them when they are trying to inoculate the calves!

There will come a day, in the not too distant future, where YOU will have to choose the side you're on. By the looks of it, you've chosen the wrong side...that of tyranny and oppression...what a good SS brownshirt you've become.
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I see the jackboot brownshirt ignored my entire refutation directed right to him! What a chicken shit!

Btw Jack, no, we do NOT need your ilk. Legitimately armed citizens do a far BETTER job at protecting their communities than you EVER will! Why? Because your job is NOT to serve and protect the people...you obviously do NOT serve us, you serve your masters! And even the courts have recognized and stated publicly that the police CANNOT protect the public, they can only respond AFTER a crime is committed. Sooo....Mr. Jack, take that tazer and plug it where the sun don't shine!

Btw, what do you think of "innocent until proven guilty, beyond a reasonable doubt"...or does it swing this way for you "guilty until proven innocent, regardless what the circumstances are"??
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Are you insane? This man threatened to shoot himself in the head, how is anyone supposed to take that lightly? Especially an agent of the govt.

You must be out of your mind to think that officer was going to stand there and beg and plead with this man all night to get consent. There is a time for talk and when that doesn't work, it's time for action. If you or others don't like the action that YOU forced them to take, don't fight them. Comply with the orders and sort it out later. That's why we have a legal system.

Nothing good will ever come from fighting with the police, not in a "decent and functional society".
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Oh seriously, FUCK YOU!

So what you're advocating is that people give up their Constitutional Right to being "innocent until proven guilty beyond all reasonable doubt", and let them get arrested for even their own freedom of speech? And did these cops hear the man say this? Or was it by "word of mouth"? The evidence definitely wouldn't hold up in a court of law!

So, we are just suppose to go with the cops willingly, regardless if we are innocent of ANY crime whatsoever, just because they are agents of the government??? Kiss my ASS! No, cops are NOT suppose to be agents of the government, they are SUPPOSE to be civil servants, serving the citizens of their communities, who actually pay their freaking wages!

We do NOT force YOU to take such extremes against US! YOU choose to do that yourself, you blithering idjit! And if cops were decent and functional, we wouldn't have to worry about fighting them, but because they've become nothing more than corrupt, power hungry, paranoid schizophrenics, we have EVERYTHING to fear from them!
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Re: Police taser 64 year old man in his own home.
Are you insane? This man threatened to shoot himself in the head, how is anyone supposed to take that lightly? Especially an agent of the govt.

You must be out of your mind to think that officer was going to stand there and beg and plead with this man all night to get consent. There is a time for talk and when that doesn't work, it's time for action. If you or others don't like the action that YOU forced them to take, don't fight them. Comply with the orders and sort it out later. That's why we have a legal system.

Nothing good will ever come from fighting with the police, not in a "decent and functional society".



Oh seriously, FUCK YOU!

So what you're advocating is that people give up their Constitutional Right to being "innocent until proven guilty beyond all reasonable doubt", and let them get arrested for even their own freedom of speech? And did these cops hear the man say this? Or was it by "word of mouth"? The evidence definitely wouldn't hold up in a court of law!

So, we are just suppose to go with the cops willingly, regardless if we are innocent of ANY crime whatsoever, just because they are agents of the government??? Kiss my ASS! No, cops are NOT suppose to be agents of the government, they are SUPPOSE to be civil servants, serving the citizens of their communities, who actually pay their freaking wages!

We do NOT force YOU to take such extremes against US! YOU choose to do that yourself, you blithering idjit! And if cops were decent and functional, we wouldn't have to worry about fighting them, but because they've become nothing more than corrupt, power hungry, paranoid schizophrenics, we have EVERYTHING to fear from them!
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when you say you are going to kill yourself, then you lose rights. this guy that got tazed was a hillbilly , that will think twice next time when he tells family members he will kill himself with a gun to his head.
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I see the jackboot brownshirt ignored my entire refutation directed right to him! What a chicken shit!

Btw Jack, no, we do NOT need your ilk. Legitimately armed citizens do a far BETTER job at protecting their communities than you EVER will! Why? Because your job is NOT to serve and protect the people...you obviously do NOT serve us, you serve your masters! And even the courts have recognized and stated publicly that the police CANNOT protect the public, they can only respond AFTER a crime is committed. Sooo....Mr. Jack, take that tazer and plug it where the sun don't shine!

Btw, what do you think of "innocent until proven guilty, beyond a reasonable doubt"...or does it swing this way for you "guilty until proven innocent, regardless what the circumstances are"??
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I'm no chickenshit, I stand behind all of my statements and will debate you till the end if you like. In the end we will most likely agree to disagree but that's ok with me.

We live on 2 different sides of the fence and that's life, but I can only give you my perspective. It's not right or wrong, it just simply is.

Believe it or not, I am one of the good guys. I do not take advantage of my authority and I do not enjoy inflicting pain or the legal system on anyone. I simply do a job.

Familiarize yourself with the term probable cause and it will make your limited understanding of a LEO's job a little more clear. We do not convict, we simply develop PC and let the jury do the rest. If they convict our subject, that's fine. If they acquit, that's fine too.

As an Investigator, I am noone to judge anyone's actions, I just simply tell the story and protect myself while gathering the facts.

Shove those ridiculous SS insults up your ass, I'm far from it. I would rather a guilty man walk the streets than put an innocent man in jail.

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