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Seattle cop SHOOTS INDIAN IN CHEST 5-6 TIMES for having tiny knife

 
Zerocyber

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EDIT: God, I am so tired. I need some sleep before my entire post is nothing but spelling errors.


Then get some sleep. =-)

You aren't wrong, and there's no need to argue it... a difference of opinion is just, and only, that.

Get some rest.

Night!
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Err, Morning!
lol.
Off to bed for me then.
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There have been 4 posts about this already but none have emphasized the fact that this cop shot a man in the chest 5-6 times. The guy had a tiny knife under 3.5 inches.
Watch this video and look for the guy who is witnessing and talking about it - he mentions 5-6 shots fired into the guy's chest.
This video is on this web page - [link to jonathanturley.org]

Here is the original glp post for it:
Thread: Seattle cop kills man whittling


What does the size of the weapon have to do with this?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1001177


The knife was legal less than 3.5 inches and the victim was not threatening anyone not even the trigger-happy police officer.
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Holy crap! Sitting and working on wood with a , might I remind you, legal to carry knife length...get harrased by a cop with itchy bullets and bam. Sorry, but a cop with bullets had no reason to blow the man in the chest. Even if the man came after him, it wasn't like the cop didn't have options outside of shooting for his chest!



Well, here's a few things:

A.) "A police officer stopped and demanded to know what he was doing. According to an eyewitness, the man stood up and walked toward the officer despite demands that he stop" -From the linked Article.

B.) A bladed weapon is something with a blade. A knife that can cut you is dangerous. One that can penetrate or slice into the body far enough to become deadly is a deadly weapon. A 1-inch blade can cut many parts of the body to KILL someone within 4 minutes (that's bad when it takes a random ambulance to reach you in 9 or more).

C.) Ignoring orders issued by a Law Enforcement Officer with deadly weapon in hand? Sure fire way to get shot.

D.) Try hitting a target in the hand at 3 yards with iron sights on a pistol.
Now try hitting a moving target at 7 yards.
Now try it when you believe said target has a weapon and may be coming to kill you.

Having fun yet? Or are you ignoring all of this because is refutes some belief that all people are innocent little angels who would never harm a fly?


The Indian was sitting and carving; he was not charging towards a cop with his little knife. And even if he was, why not use the tazer? Pepper spray? A shot to the leg? Even a fired and missed shot would probably stop someone with a knife... Heck a little old lady probably could have beat that old Indian man with a fist fight.
 Quoting: ParAnnoyed


Save your breath, Zerocyber is fixated upon the little knife and fails to see four or five gunshots to the chest as excessive force. If it were I back in the day and the old man somehow piqued my curiosity I would have said hello and inquired as to what he was doing realizing many people especially out west will automatically come to you without malicious intent.

From what I have read, the police office used excessive force and should not be a police officer if his only solution was to fire repeatedly into an old man’s chest. At this time we do not know if the old man was drinking which would have impaired his danger judgment regardless he was not breaking any laws considering the knife was not a fixed blade more than 3.5 inches and he was not threatening anyone not even the trigger-happy police officer
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Re: Seattle cop SHOOTS INDIAN IN CHEST 5-6 TIMES for having tiny knife
There have been 4 posts about this already but none have emphasized the fact that this cop shot a man in the chest 5-6 times. The guy had a tiny knife under 3.5 inches.
Watch this video and look for the guy who is witnessing and talking about it - he mentions 5-6 shots fired into the guy's chest.
This video is on this web page - [link to jonathanturley.org]

Here is the original glp post for it:
Thread: Seattle cop kills man whittling
 Quoting: ParAnnoyed

Nazi.

consider how brainwashed we are.
"Shooting the man 6 times in the chest seems a little extreme"

We are living in a nazi world.
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"He was also an alcoholic who was known to be volatile when he was drinking."

A volatile drunk refuses to drop a knife. But it's the cop's fault he got shot.
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"He was also an alcoholic who was known to be volatile when he was drinking."

A volatile drunk refuses to drop a knife. But it's the cop's fault he got shot.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1089879


Yeah a volatile drunk who was probably an ex-green beret ninja, who was supremley fit and was drunk still able kill many men in seconds with his tiny knife..........................................NOT!
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[link to www.king5.com]


"He was also an alcoholic who was known to be volatile when he was drinking."

A volatile drunk refuses to drop a knife. But it's the cop's fault he got shot.


Yeah a volatile drunk who was probably an ex-green beret ninja, who was supremley fit and was drunk still able kill many men in seconds with his tiny knife..........................................NOT!
 Quoting: A Brit 1084950

If the cop had used pepper spray or a nightstick to disarm this guy, all the homos on GLP would be crying about that. Cops can't win with you people.
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On my honor,
I will never betray my badge
my integrity, my character,
or the public trust.
I will always have
the courage to hold myself
and others accountable for our actions.
I will always uphold the constitution
my community
and the agency I serve.

Before any officer takes the Law Enforcement Oath of Honor,
it is important that he/she understands what it means.
An oath is a solemn pledge someone makes when he/she sincerely intends to do what he/she says.

Honor means that one's word is given as a guarantee.
Betray is defined as breaking faith with the public trust.
Badge is the symbol of your office.
Integrity is being the same person in both private and public life.
Character means the qualities that distinguish an individual.
Public trust is a charge of duty imposed in faith toward those you serve.
Courage is having the strength to withstand unethical pressure, fear or danger.
Accountability means that you are answerable and responsible to your oath of office.
Community is the jurisdiction and citizens served.

This is how you win here
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Holy crap! Sitting and working on wood with a , might I remind you, legal to carry knife length...get harrased by a cop with itchy bullets and bam. Sorry, but a cop with bullets had no reason to blow the man in the chest. Even if the man came after him, it wasn't like the cop didn't have options outside of shooting for his chest!



Well, here's a few things:

A.) "A police officer stopped and demanded to know what he was doing. According to an eyewitness, the man stood up and walked toward the officer despite demands that he stop" -From the linked Article.

B.) A bladed weapon is something with a blade. A knife that can cut you is dangerous. One that can penetrate or slice into the body far enough to become deadly is a deadly weapon. A 1-inch blade can cut many parts of the body to KILL someone within 4 minutes (that's bad when it takes a random ambulance to reach you in 9 or more).

C.) Ignoring orders issued by a Law Enforcement Officer with deadly weapon in hand? Sure fire way to get shot.

D.) Try hitting a target in the hand at 3 yards with iron sights on a pistol.
Now try hitting a moving target at 7 yards.
Now try it when you believe said target has a weapon and may be coming to kill you.

Having fun yet? Or are you ignoring all of this because is refutes some belief that all people are innocent little angels who would never harm a fly?


The Indian was sitting and carving; he was not charging towards a cop with his little knife. And even if he was, why not use the tazer? Pepper spray? A shot to the leg? Even a fired and missed shot would probably stop someone with a knife... Heck a little old lady probably could have beat that old Indian man with a fist fight.


He was moving towards the officer and ignored orders to drop the knife and stop. So yes, he was "charging" at the officer, just closer to a walk than a run.
Also, firearms training for Law Enforcement does not include a shot to the leg, it is all centermass (even the arms don't count in qualifing rounds in firearms).

Also, as a Law Enforcement officer you are NOT allowed to fire a warning shot. Correctional Officers can, and even the average Joe Public Citizen can't fire warning shots. So no, he couldn't have missed on purpose.

But could he have used Pepper Spray or a taser? Yes.
 Quoting: Zerocyber


Wow So you're saying that anyone a policeman shoots his gun, it has to be to KILL? What are your sources on that please?
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the victims relatives should get the cop , hold him down and scalp him and cut his eyes out with a pocket knife and cut off all the cops fingers..
Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.
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The shooting is not going over well with the Native American community in Seattle.

[link to seattletimes.nwsource.com]

The Native American Indian man's name was John T. Williams.
He was 50 years old, deaf in one ear and hard of hearing in the other.


Williams was a member of the Chief Seattle Club in Pioneer Square, a day center and social-service agency that provides hot meals, health care and other help for Native Americans and First Nations people of Canada, according to an employee of the club.

The shooter policeman didn't call for a backup before shooting the Indian man.

The policeman fired 4 shots at the Indian man - a correction from the title of this thread.

Officer Ian Birk fired four rounds at John T. Williams, a wood carver who had a folding knife with a 3-inch blade and a piece of wood in his hands.

Acting Deputy Chief Nick Metz said Tuesday that Birk was stopped in his car at a red light as he headed south on Boren when he spotted Williams walking in a crosswalk "carrying a wooden board and a knife."

"He could see the blade of the knife and the man was doing something to the board," Metz said.

Birk activated his emergency lights, which automatically switched on his in-car video camera, Metz said. The officer also activated a recording device, Metz said.
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[link to www.king5.com]
[link to www.king5.com]
[link to seattletimes.nwsource.com]

The incident is out of the videos sight.
So the officer after 4hrs.- on shift, witness a old scruff hobbling man with a (pen) knife
working on a (board) doll head as he walks in front of him at the red light. Kind of pulling over the officer lights up pointing to the corner. Audio gives a approx. 1 minute
of the officer asking for attention. JW makes it to the wall and sits down. Audio
drop the knife 3 times from 10 feet fires 6 rounds 4 hit, 3 side enter 1 in the back.

Yesterday King 5 news changed the videos
The 3 inch blade is from another killing, and the video had footage of a lady witness disputing cops
claiming the 3 side and one back enter. And in the white truck incident another lady claiming, the truck may have moved, but the officers were in no way in danger.
Now its different ending with the knife of another incident.

In fact JW rap sheet is exposed by them.
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Here's a good way to avoid getting shot: If a cop tells you to put the knife down, it's a damned good idea to put it down and calmly inform him you are breaking no law...


God damn you right wingers are fucking stupid. Fucking fascists ...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 744402


Right wing, left wing. none of it has any meaning. I think obama sucks and I think this cop needs to go to jail for a long time as do a lot of them. I hate forfeiture laws and i hate the so called health care bill as well. I also think drug laws are some of the worst laws we have on the books. I think we bugged out in Vietnam because we didn't have the balls to finish what we started. I think it was just damed stupid to invade IRaq the second time around. It's not about right or left. It's about the individual issue.
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[link to www.king5.com]
[link to www.king5.com]
[link to seattletimes.nwsource.com]

The incident is out of the videos sight.
So the officer after 4hrs.- on shift, witness a old scruff hobbling man with a (pen) knife
working on a (board) doll head as he walks in front of him at the red light. Kind of pulling over the officer lights up pointing to the corner. Audio gives a approx. 1 minute
of the officer asking for attention. JW makes it to the wall and sits down. Audio
drop the knife 3 times from 10 feet fires 6 rounds 4 hit, 3 side enter 1 in the back.

Yesterday King 5 news changed the videos
The 3 inch blade is from another killing, and the video had footage of a lady witness disputing cops
claiming the 3 side and one back enter. And in the white truck incident another lady claiming, the truck may have moved, but the officers were in no way in danger.
Now its different ending with the knife of another incident.

In fact JW rap sheet is exposed by them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1028220


[link to www.king5.com]
correction (4) side entry
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Holy crap! Sitting and working on wood with a , might I remind you, legal to carry knife length...get harrased by a cop with itchy bullets and bam. Sorry, but a cop with bullets had no reason to blow the man in the chest. Even if the man came after him, it wasn't like the cop didn't have options outside of shooting for his chest!



Well, here's a few things:

A.) "A police officer stopped and demanded to know what he was doing. According to an eyewitness, the man stood up and walked toward the officer despite demands that he stop" -From the linked Article.

B.) A bladed weapon is something with a blade. A knife that can cut you is dangerous. One that can penetrate or slice into the body far enough to become deadly is a deadly weapon. A 1-inch blade can cut many parts of the body to KILL someone within 4 minutes (that's bad when it takes a random ambulance to reach you in 9 or more).

C.) Ignoring orders issued by a Law Enforcement Officer with deadly weapon in hand? Sure fire way to get shot.

D.) Try hitting a target in the hand at 3 yards with iron sights on a pistol.
Now try hitting a moving target at 7 yards.
Now try it when you believe said target has a weapon and may be coming to kill you.

Having fun yet? Or are you ignoring all of this because is refutes some belief that all people are innocent little angels who would never harm a fly?
 Quoting: Zerocyber

Try telling a deaf person what to do, and see how they react.
The guy was deaf you fucking idiot.
The cop was wrong, and should be tried for 2nd degree murder.
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good to see more people dying.
5a dance lmao
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in the US the Police like to kill for fun it seems and yet the police that kill for fun are never put into jail.. a bad slope your country is on. Soon there will be the law of the corrupt police, politician and corrupt rich man who will all join together to rule the people with an iron rod and kill those who protest. I fear for the once great nation of the US.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1085206


No, they don't like to kill for fun. There are way too many whack jobs in this country and the police have become a little trigger happy because of it.
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Here's a good way to avoid getting shot: If a cop tells you to put the knife down, it's a damned good idea to put it down and calmly inform him you are breaking no law...
 Quoting: BRIEF AND TO THE POINT


And if you don't?
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Here's a good way to get shot: Refuse to drop a knife when told to by a man with a gun...
 Quoting: BRIEF AND TO THE POINT


Or be black, homeless, and minding your own business. Then when someone come and points a gun in your face commanding you to submit, have a spirit that will never die or be let down.
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The man was making a doll, sitting alone not disturbing anyone and they killed him.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1086177


According to the video, the man with the knife was approaching the officer, according to an eyewitness. Never approach a police officer with a knife in your hand.
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"Sit and cry for mercy?"

Hahaha.

No, would that cause civil unrest?

You shoot'em in the chest!

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