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I'm usually left of center, but I think abortion is murder.

 
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I'm usually left of center, but I think abortion is murder.
Don't kill me, but I'm pretty liberal in my attitudes.

But it's hard for me to see abortion as anything other than murder. The baby in the womb is killed.

I don't think legalized abortion should not be available because back-room abortion leads women to dangerous situations.

But abortions are murder for this left-wing dude.
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Re: I'm usually left of center, but I think abortion is murder.
Agreed. This is the one split party issue that I'm totally baffled on.

Based on conservative beliefs, I would assume they would have the opposite stance on abortion.

However, the more babies born, the more money the elites make. So that makes sense to me.

The whole issue, and society's view on it is one of those things that helps you take a deeper look at the hypocrisy of it all.
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Re: I'm usually left of center, but I think abortion is murder.
War, death penalty, self-defense, accident, abortion. Ending a life is happening everyday everywhere. If that is your only argument, then you support a hypocrite society.
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Re: I'm usually left of center, but I think abortion is murder.
Take a stand.

You are either pro-life, or pro-death, not really a grey/gray area.
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Re: I'm usually left of center, but I think abortion is murder.
I have no problem with it as I am not the one with the womb.
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Re: I'm usually left of center, but I think abortion is murder.
3D ultrasounds will have people looking at abortion in a whole new light.
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Re: I'm usually left of center, but I think abortion is murder.
I believe any mother that would kill an unborn child should instead take the childs place in the coffin.

Abortion is murder.
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Re: I'm usually left of center, but I think abortion is murder.
More sex-ed and abundant availability of prophylactics. I know it's the generic right wing argument, but if you can't prevent pregnancy in this day and age, you deserve to be forced to deal with an unwanted kid.

That's what I say to people who can't understand that lovemaking and procreation are the most sacred abilities that we have in this existence.

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Re: I'm usually left of center, but I think abortion is murder.
3D ultrasounds will have people looking at abortion in a whole new light.
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Doubt it.

Currently, with the easily available birth control and relatively inexpensive "morning-after" pill, over 40% of abortions are NOT first timers. If it is your second abortions or 15th, you fall under the same stat.
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Re: I'm usually left of center, but I think abortion is murder.
Take a stand.

You are either pro-life, or pro-death, not really a grey/gray area.
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Biggest bullshit ever. If a guy stands shooting at you and you shoot back killing him in self-defense. I am pro death there. And if a sick old man wants to end his life and a doctor is needed to pull the plug. Then i am pro death there. If a bomber plane bombs civilians, i am pro-life there.

Life/death is gray.
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Re: I'm usually left of center, but I think abortion is murder.
Don't kill me, but I'm pretty liberal in my attitudes.

But it's hard for me to see abortion as anything other than murder. The baby in the womb is killed.

I don't think legalized abortion should not be available because back-room abortion leads women to dangerous situations.

But abortions are murder for this left-wing dude.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 694452


I too was a liberal who was and is prolife.

It was Clinton's veto of the ban on partial birth abortion that gradually turned me into a conservative. How could I respect any set of beliefs that had abortion as one of its cornerstone beliefs? I could not.

The procedures are far too vicious and callous to be tolerated by any compassionate person.

You have some confusion of thought regarding allowing abortions because otherwise some people would commit a crime to get one anyway and someone might get badly hurt.

Every abortion is a dangerous situation, especially for the preborn one. Improving the sanitation at the scene of a murder doesn't improve the murder one iota.

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Re: I'm usually left of center, but I think abortion is murder.
Abortion is murder.

A human fertilized egg is where we get human beings from.

Just because we can't identify what looks and acts human and what does not look or act human at any point in the stages of that egg's future development does not mean that life only begins when the womb opens at the moment of birth.

Every judge and jury that sits in judgement for abortion started out as a human fertilized egg.
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Re: I'm usually left of center, but I think abortion is murder.
More sex-ed and abundant availability of prophylactics. I know it's the generic right wing argument, but if you can't prevent pregnancy in this day and age, you deserve to be forced to deal with an unwanted kid.

That's what I say to people who can't understand that lovemaking and procreation are the most sacred abilities that we have in this existence.
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Re: I'm usually left of center, but I think abortion is murder.
I have no problem with it as I am not the one with the womb.
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Young males are the biggest supporters of abortion, according to polls. Of course they would be. It allows them to put the blame on the woman for having the baby.
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Re: I'm usually left of center, but I think abortion is murder.
Take a stand.

You are either pro-life, or pro-death, not really a grey/gray area.


Biggest bullshit ever. If a guy stands shooting at you and you shoot back killing him in self-defense. I am pro death there. And if a sick old man wants to end his life and a doctor is needed to pull the plug. Then i am pro death there. If a bomber plane bombs civilians, i am pro-life there.

Life/death is gray.
 Quoting: IscopeU

That is your position.

I think I should pat myself on-the-back for being listed high on the ranks of something for "ever".

How about you not celebrate the situation where a person is in the situation where they must defend themselves from a bullett onslaught.

How about you understand that people, animals and all things on earth and beyond "rage, rage, rage against the dying of light."
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Re: I'm usually left of center, but I think abortion is murder.
I have no problem with it as I am not the one with the womb.


Young males are the biggest supporters of abortion, according to polls. Of course they would be. It allows them to put the blame on the woman for having the baby.
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Yet, somehow, I get the "biggest bullshit ever" award.
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Re: I'm usually left of center, but I think abortion is murder.
i am on the fence here i have always rememerd being born dont know why but i seem to remember entering my body right before i was born and the few seconds before i enterded my body i remember walking with two outher people up to some kinda chamber and getting into it and then comeing into the bright lights also remember being in an incubator and loking out at the things going on around the nursey i have wrote about this experiance on glp before about this
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Re: I'm usually left of center, but I think abortion is murder.
Don't kill me, but I'm pretty liberal in my attitudes.

But it's hard for me to see abortion as anything other than murder. The baby in the womb is killed.

I don't think legalized abortion should not be available because back-room abortion leads women to dangerous situations.

But abortions are murder for this left-wing dude.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 694452

So what about miscarriage then?
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Re: I'm usually left of center, but I think abortion is murder.
But abortions are murder for this left-wing dude.
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Why do you have to choose a side?
Do you not realize the illusion this is?
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Re: I'm usually left of center, but I think abortion is murder.
Miscarriages aren't intentional. Abortions are.
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Re: I'm usually left of center, but I think abortion is murder.
A woman can act in a porno movie for money & its legal.

A woman can pay someone to kill & remove a baby & its legal.

A woman who accepts money in exchange for sex is a criminal.

Its one big fucked up system that isn't based on morals, its based on profit and getting votes.
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Re: I'm usually left of center, but I think abortion is murder.
A woman can act in a porno movie for money & its legal.

A woman can pay someone to kill & remove a baby & its legal.

A woman who accepts money in exchange for sex is a criminal.

Its one big fucked up system that isn't based on morals, its based on profit and getting votes.
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Exactly. In the end it's all about whether the guys at the top are making $$$. There's nothing ethical or life/death about it.

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Re: I'm usually left of center, but I think abortion is murder.
Miscarriages aren't intentional. Abortions are.
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What if the fetus is not intentional?
What if a women causes the miscarriage?
Do you not see how it never ends?
It is Hypocrisy.
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Re: I'm usually left of center, but I think abortion is murder.
Its one big fucked up system that isn't based on morals
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Why should everyone have to abide by your morals?
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Re: I'm usually left of center, but I think abortion is murder.
Take a stand.

You are either pro-life, or pro-death, not really a grey/gray area.


Biggest bullshit ever. If a guy stands shooting at you and you shoot back killing him in self-defense. I am pro death there. And if a sick old man wants to end his life and a doctor is needed to pull the plug. Then i am pro death there. If a bomber plane bombs civilians, i am pro-life there.

Life/death is gray.

That is your position.

I think I should pat myself on-the-back for being listed high on the ranks of something for "ever".

How about you not celebrate the situation where a person is in the situation where they must defend themselves from a bullett onslaught.

How about you understand that people, animals and all things on earth and beyond "rage, rage, rage against the dying of light."
 Quoting: NeoFist


You make no sense.

I was commenting on your black/white argument. And that doesn't make you high listed, you didn't even express your position. You just make a statement that this can only be viewed as evil and nothing else.

I didn't celebrate anything, i gave an example of where killing is considered a good thing. There are plenty of situations where killing is not considered a bad thing.

What do you mean by "light" and raging against it. It makes no sense to me.
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Re: I'm usually left of center, but I think abortion is murder.
Its just another issue to cause a rift between people

divide and conquer

same old same old
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Re: I'm usually left of center, but I think abortion is murder.
Take a stand.

You are either pro-life, or pro-death, not really a grey/gray area.


Biggest bullshit ever. If a guy stands shooting at you and you shoot back killing him in self-defense. I am pro death there. And if a sick old man wants to end his life and a doctor is needed to pull the plug. Then i am pro death there. If a bomber plane bombs civilians, i am pro-life there.

Life/death is gray.

That is your position.

I think I should pat myself on-the-back for being listed high on the ranks of something for "ever".

How about you not celebrate the situation where a person is in the situation where they must defend themselves from a bullett onslaught.

How about you understand that people, animals and all things on earth and beyond "rage, rage, rage against the dying of light."


You make no sense.

I was commenting on your black/white argument. And that doesn't make you high listed, you didn't even express your position. You just make a statement that this can only be viewed as evil and nothing else.

I didn't celebrate anything, i gave an example of where killing is considered a good thing. There are plenty of situations where killing is not considered a bad thing.

What do you mean by "light" and raging against it. It makes no sense to me.
 Quoting: IscopeU

"Biggest bullshit ever" puts what I said high on the list of so-called "bullshit" does it not?

By suggesting you are pro-death with regards to the self defense senario you celebrated death by focusing on death as the only response to that situation. How about not being in that situation to begin with? What about words? Non-lethal weapons or techniques? Running? Hiding?

I was quoting Dylan Thomas at the end trying to illustrate that all living things want to do exactly that, keep on living. They will fight against death with all the power they have even when it seems futile.
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Re: I'm usually left of center, but I think abortion is murder.
Its just another issue to cause a rift between people

divide and conquer

same old same old
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So will debating close the rift or make it worse?
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Re: I'm usually left of center, but I think abortion is murder.
Its just another issue to cause a rift between people

divide and conquer

same old same old


So will debating close the rift or make it worse?
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Well first you have to try to debate instead of just insult.
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Re: I'm usually left of center, but I think abortion is murder.
"Biggest bullshit ever" puts what I said high on the list of so-called "bullshit" does it not?
 Quoting: NeoFist


Yeah it does. But you took it personal. Please don't because you are not the only one with this black and white view. The view is the biggest bullshit ever in the history of the universe. Not you as a person, because i don't even know you.

By suggesting you are pro-death with regards to the self defense senario you celebrated death by focusing on death as the only response to that situation. How about not being in that situation to begin with? What about words? Non-lethal weapons or techniques? Running? Hiding?
 Quoting: NeoFist


It is a hypothetical situation, where killing is considered a 'good' thing.
In this case that you have no other option then to kill out of self-defense. Other options are not even available in this hypothetical situation, because that's what a hypothetical situation implies.

So my question is not what would you do. But, would you consider that good or bad?

I was quoting Dylan Thomas at the end trying to illustrate that all living things want to do exactly that, keep on living. They will fight against death with all the power they have even when it seems futile.
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I see, thanks for clarifying. I do understand that.
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Re: I'm usually left of center, but I think abortion is murder.
One deprives the other's chance of being a human.

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