++I AM A EXTRA TERRESTRIAL++ ASK ME A QUESTION AND I WILL RESPOND++

You say that... and you are probably right, i'm wrong...

It's not all that easy at first (Learning) but I do see the hidden parts these gems which are becoming easier to translate through. However reasoning with the religious foundation put into place by childhood brainwashing is still concerning my Bottom line - the fear of God.

Hitler once said give me a child and like putty I will mold him into what ever I wish him to become.

I can rationalize to aid conclusions to the many worldly observations - this is my strongest point and I do use this but fundamental questions still remain like the "beginning" of time and the purpose of our existence - who are we just an evolutionary process or were we created in Gods image or Their image - creation - projects!

The signs and interactions I am now seeing and witnessing can go in two possible directions and the second possibility scares the holy crap out of me! Now you know and understand why I am so confused.

Last Edited by Phazing ELE115 on 05/10/2009 02:40 PM

It's possible. I've been reading the thread since 2007 and still can't determine whats really going on. The fact that it's May 2009 and we're still hearing the passage is "soon" "very soon" "very very soon" or "very very very soon" makes me suspicious... I can't help it. It certainly is incredibly draining for me to keep following the thread but I can't seem to get myself away from it. I always figured it sounded too good to be true that we'd really be out of this terrible world and on to the wonders of "4th density" any time soon. I guess I'll probably be stuck here until our year 2012, and then if it hasn't passed by then I can probably feel at peace leaving this thread behind.

One thing I can't understand that really bothers me is why the ET's insist on treating the symptoms and not the problem. Continually neutralizing some of TPTB's efforts to kill off the populace but never neutralizing TPTB themselves. Sort of like human medical treatments, treat the symptoms but leave the underlying problem, leading to more symptoms eventually resurfacing. Thus we see the same problems occurring over and over and hearing "when will they learn?". Well they will never learn, we've already established that haven't we?

I don't see why TPTB don't just delete this thread if they see it as a threat. If they can send debunkers, they can surely delete a thread. So why is it still here?

Maybe there are many ETs with many different goals and many differents "ethic level"... maybe the reality is complex... interesting question is : how "high level ethic" ETs will act ? By some communication question/answere in a forum ? i find that strange and even more whene these ET give some "space mythology" and nothing to realy help people concretly... well, considère, you know that an "4th density" exit and is an plan above us, that help you ? no... that just give you some strange concept that you can't understand, and that the "ETs" can't explain you about, because "you can't understand"... but, the ET say : "it's ok, we are greys, and we will get you in our space vessel and all will be okay, the 4th density is too cool and we are too cool"
Hum, if "all is ok", why say that ? why say that in an american forum ?
What happened whene someone die ? These "4th density" ET come and... ?... any OBE with grey ? what about this strange LINEAR path of evolution 3th to 4th, and 4th to 5th, etc... is the univers linear, or is our "mind" linear ? And why our "mind" is linear ? And why this "4th density ET" don't help us to have a "mind" less linear ?

Look, i can say "everything is connected, and all happen right here right now"... and i'am not a ET... and i even not realy understand what that mean, but if you ask me, i can say "you can't understand because of your limited perception"... and you are very helped now !

I have not the answeres, but i have the questions...

if you want any other "suposed" ET communication, you can search about the "UMMO" affaire... a VERY different way to "teach" than ST in BG...

[link to www.ummo-sciences.org] good reading... it is an "condensed", the "UMMO" affair is principaly spanish and french, all the originals letters are in spanish or french.

Hi ST,


since we have Past life, Future Life, and Current Life all at once, why do i seem alive only now in this one?/....


regards


(AM - RA - MA)

Greetings: AM - RA - MA: User ID: 675703

The star, known as SGR J1550-5418, lies in the Southern
constellation Norma. It began a series of modest eruptions on Oct. 3, 2008, settled down for a while, then roared back to life on Jan. 22, 2009, with an intense episode.

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Hi ST,

is this Star going to explode?/....

**Don't Know ?? ... It Might ??

i once had a vision of a star exploding, it was awesome.

**Hmmm !!

is our sun still going to be there after 3rd Density,

**Yes !! ... Was Observed By The Conduit ... In 4th Density ... But Had Changed/Evolved Into ... The Orange-Red Phase !!

is our Sun going to explode as well(eventually)?/...

**Perhaps ... "Eventually" !! ... Though This Would Be ... "If It Occurs" ?? ... Would Be ... A Long Long Long ++++ "Time" !!
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yea, i can confirm that angels exist, i have a guardian angel and have seen Gabriel, Lucifer(Satan), and other angels - although i have no physical proof of this - i am not making it up.

**If You Are "Religiously Oriented" ... Then The ET's ... Would Give You ... Show Up/Appear ... Of These Images !! ... So While You May See ... "Angels" ... Gabriel, Lucifer ... (Which Is NOT "Satan" By The Way !! ... Another Misunderstood "Religious" Thought !!) ... Who Are Behind These "Images" In Your Mind ... Are Extraterrestrial Beings !!

and i've heard their voices as well.

**They Can Also ... Along With Images ... Do Voices ... Or What You Might Believe To Be ... Things Of This Nature ... Appropriate To The Setting !!

and that's that !?!.

**And That ... Is Your "Scene" ... Conjured/Made Up ... For You !!
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Hi ST,

since we have Past life, Future Life, and Current Life all at once,

**You Have ... Concurrent Lives & Lifetimes ... All Lived ... In The Moment !!

why do i seem alive only now in this one?/....

**That Is Of/For ... Your Experiences ... Of That Form ... Of That Moment !! ... Of There !!

thanks

You Are Very Welcome !!

regards

And To You As Well !!

(AM - RA - MA)

**Morning, Noon, Evening - Night !!

Farewell For Now !!

ST In BG

Greetings: S. who C.: User ID: 675753

ST, it seems we quite agree on much of this... but of course not on the results.

**Yes ... We Agree On The Thoughts ... But NOT ... The Specific Outcomes !!

Natural history told us a different story, a much different one.

**Only As ... The Ability You Have ... To Read Of This !! ... And What You Choose To Accept !!

Thanks.

You Are Most Welcome !!

People there, i do not know if i will post any more, if it has some significance... i tried to look through the veils, to seek truth, to promote hope and a better world... i will continue and take what little we can do for what might transpire...as for the minimal preparations one might
make if at all.

**Yes Of Course !!

I wish you all, all mankind, all beings, the best for ever... keep hope and make the best you can for building (or rebuilding) a better world, a better civilization.

**Indeed !!

I think that all evidences point to the South, a bright star mag. 1.35 or so without a common name! (when all other stars magnitude 1.8 or brighter have names, lesser magnitudes and negative magnitudes are the brightest!)

**Hmmmm !!

Here, others seem to had found it also, it´s already out:

[link to www.youtube.com]

from the video:

17 h 21 m 47 sec
-81° 09´ 44´´

perhaps..... quite perhaps, i had been looking at it for months already.

**Hmmm !!!

It will eventually be evident... isn´t it?

**Yes ... They Will Know ... Soon Enough !!

Good luck and best hopes for mankind, might we make a better world or might a better world arise ; )

**And A Pleasant Passage(s) ... And Whatever Become From This ... For You & Your Family/Loved Ones ... And For All Things !!

Bye ; )

A Scientist who Cares

Farewell For Now !!

ST In BG

Greetings: angelpbj: User ID: 675813

**In Response To: NightWisp ... With Our (ST In BG) Comments !!

Much thanks NightWisp for calling our attention to the following thread,

**Yes Indeed !! ... Most Curious !!

Earth taking New Hits from Recently Awakened Neutron Star

Thread: Earth taking New Hits from Reently Awakened Neutron Star

They are preparing for a huge blast of high energy radiation on Earth, but it's not coming from the Sun.

**Hmmmm !!!

Although the Sun's lower activity is allowing it to happen...

**Perhaps So ??

Farewell For Now !!

ST In BG

Greetings: mj-13: User ID: 674333

Greetings ST in BG.

I found it rather odd that in my last post, you didn't really give much of a response like usual.

**What Did You Wish Us To Say ???

All you could come up with was the word "curious" in your response to my angelic experience.

**It Was ... "Curious" !! ... Such As Of The Thought ... The Need ... Of "Extraterrestrial Beings/Energies" .... To Appear In That Form To You !!

Can you be a little more specific as to what your perspective is regarding that experience?

**We Just Were !!

You say you don't believe in angels,

**We Are NOT "Religious" ... And Have NO "God" !! ... Likewise ... We Have NO Angels !! ... A CREATED .. "Religious Concept" !!

but is it possible that it might just be a matter of "semantics".

**NO !! ... It Is Not !!

What I mean is, even though the term "angel" has a religious connotation, it doesn't mean such beings don't
exist.

**The Beings Exist ... But Not In Those "Looks" !! ... We Prefer To See & Have Interactions ... Exactly ... How They Are !! ... Not Of Some ... "Terrestrial False Belief Systems" ... Which Are Intended To Make Ones Of These Beliefs/Natures ... Feel More Relaxed !!

Okay, maybe they don't have "wings" or have "halos" circling around their heads.

**That's Right !!!

The definition in my personal book of an angel would be of a spirit being that protects or watches out for a living (third density) being.

**Why Call Them "Angels" ... When They Are NOT !! ... "Angels" Is Of ... "Religious Programming" !!

From that perspective, I think you could agree that such souls "beings" exist for the greater good of protecting man kind.

**They Are NOT "Souls" Either !! ... Another ... "Religious/New Age" Term ... Of Misunderstanding/Non-Understanding !! ... As To "Protecting Mankind" ... It Just Depends On ... What The Mission Is !! ... What They Are Assigned !!

I have had other experiences to back up my angelic "theory".

Again, if it is just about semantics (mis-classification),

**It's About ... Not Knowing What Or Whom ... You Are Dealing With !!!

then there really isn't an argument here.

**Not An Argument !! ... It's From Your End ... Of Images Gathered Of "Religious Beliefs" ... And For Us ... Seeing Things ... As They Are !! ... I Suspect You Would Be ... Scared To Sh--list ... If You Saw What They Really Looked Like !! ... For Us & The Conduit ... We Would Be Laughing ... Perhaps Even Crying ... Being So Happy ... Of The Visitation ... & Being Around Those Of Friends & Comrades ... Which Are Missed So Much ... Being In Terrestrial Form !!

If I were to say that "angels" could be in reference to either human or non-human (ET) souls that intervene in human lives (divine intervention) to protect those third density beings from hurt, injured or killed, I would
essentially be talking about the same thing.

**No !!! ... You Would Be Talking About ... Extraterrestrial Beings ... Appearing In "Angelic Disguises" ... That Are Assigned ... Are Given Such
Duties !!

I guess "angel" would be just a misnomer or mis-classification

**It Is Of ... "Belief" ... Not Understanding !!

but still the same thing in essence.

**No ... It Is Not !!

I remember one time where I did have a near death experience in the sense that I avoided a major automobile accident. Years ago, when I was about 21 years
old, I use to be a life guard/swimming instructor at the local YMCA's in ST.Louis. I worked at three different locations at the time (Chesterfield, Kirkwood and Webster Groves). My job was to supervise a swimming pool in
order to maintain the safety of its occupants. In case someone were to go under water and potentially drown, it would be my job to rescue them before such a tragedy would occur. I also taught swimming to the children as well
as T.O.W. classes. Those classes were for children and adults who were terrified of water. In addition, I also taught those with mental retardation how to swim as well as those who were terrified of water. Any way, one night
when I was coming home from a day at work, I remember that it was raining out and there was road construction ahead of me on the highway interstate. I remember looking ahead of my car in the distance and seeing an illuminated
warning/ message board. It was a new form of safety communication at the time and I for one had never seen one before. It basically was a message board on the side of the road stating that traffic was coming up ahead and
to slow down for such traffic was in a construction zone. This particular area was at the junction of highway 270 and 40/61. Anyway, by the time I got close enough to read the letters on the illuminated message board, traffic
had already managed to back up as far as the message board rendering it useless in warning me of stopped traffic. So the moment I saw the warning on the sign, it was too late for I was about to crash into stopped traffic on
the interstate. Anyway, just as I was about to take my eyes off of the sign and look ahead, my hands immediately turned the steering wheel to the right.
Just then, I realized how fortunate I was for I narrowly missed killing myself and possibly others in a highly probable chain-reaction collision. As far as I would have fared, I most likely would have died due to massive
internal and external injuries. The car at the time I was driving was a compact (Plymouth Sundance) that did not have a passive restraint system (frontal air bag) for it was not made in that model year of the car (1989).
The following year (1990) it was, but I didn't have it. Going about 60-65mph into stopped traffic in a compact with no PRS air bag (even though I had a seat belt on) would most likely have been a death sentence for me. With that said, I managed to walk away from death.

But the trillion dollar question is: How? How did I do it? The only logical answer that I have is essentially to transcend logic and consider the plausibility of "divine intervention".

**Intervention Yes !! ... "Divine Intervention" No !!

You can call an "angel", a "soul" or an "ET" from another dimension.

**We Would Not Call ... ET Beings ... "Angels" ... Or "Souls" !! ... We Would Call Them ... As They Are !!

All the same in my book!

**Then You Need ... To Compose/Begin A New Chapter !! ... Starting With ... Clarification Of ... The "Appearance Of "Angels" ... Subheading ... What "Angels" Really Are !!

They/it saved my life and I will always be indebted to them/it.

**It Was Not ... Of Your "Time" To Exit !! ... Besides ... You Were Needed ... For "Other Things" !!

I don't care what "science" says that I had "experienced".

**Terrestrial Science" ... Oh Boy !! ... Talk About ... Living In Darkness There !!! ... Pet Theories Made Into Truths !! ... One Of These ... "Don't Get Us Started" ... On That One !! .... Hee Hee Hee !!

I know for a fact that I was saved by someone or something.

**Granted !!

Something that night took the wheel of my car and saved me from certain death.

**A Simple Thing To Do Really !! ... By Remote ... Or Actually ... Physically Taking Charge !!

I know that there are nay sayers out there that don't believe in such intervention but I really could careless what the hell they think.

**Well ... We Know Such Happens ... As We Have "Intervened" ... Of Many Of Moments !! ... Maybe We Did There Too ?? ... Though Such "Personal Records"
... Are Not Available !!

They probably would come up with some elaborate bullsh*** that my peripheral vision came into play with my ability to some how react with tremendous reflexes.

**They Have A Tendency To ... "Write Off" ... Such Things ... That They Don't Understand ... Or Don't Wish To Understand !!

If that is the case, how did I know to jump into the next lane? I didn't even look. If it were occupied, I would have crashed latterally into another vehicle causing them
to possibly lose their live(s) as well. I didn't know the other lane was occupied as well as I wasn't aware of the stopped traffic ahead of me for I was distracted by this new type of message communication sign on the side of
the road.

**The Easy Explanation Is ... You Were Being ... Watched Over !!

So anyway, that's my other "angelic" story.

**Yes Of Course !!

I know you probably don't believe in angels,

**We Don't Subscribe ... To That Interpretation !!

but you have to admit that there was divine intervention here (same thing!!!).

**"Divine Intervention" (Injecting Of Religion & Religious "Beliefs") ... & ... "Intervention" ... Are Not The Same Things !!

Please give me some analysis to this from your perspective.

**We Just Did !!

Also give me examples of when a "higher power" came to
your aide or assisted you in some way.

**We Have No ... "Higher Powers" ... Of "Religious Beliefs" !! ... We Do Have However ... Of Helping/Healing That Has Been Done ... To The Conduit ... Per Agreement To Come There ... & Animate That Form ... For His Missions
There !! ... The "ET Medical Plan" ... As It Were !!

**Examples ... Being Worked On/Healed ... Of A Softball Bat Injury ... As A Child !! .... Being Worked On/Healed ... Of A Leapfrog Accident ... Being Worked On/Healed ... Of A "Phased Into Of Another Lifetime ... Bird Being ... & Hopping/Flying Off A Couch ... Numerous Work Injuries ... Many Medical Treatments, Healings ... Too Many To Count/Relate !!!

**Here Is An "Older Webpage/Posting" I Made ... To A Site !! ... Since Then ... There Have Been Some Changes ... (Such As "Zetas/Zeta Reticulians" ...
Revealed As Being Called (Translated Into American English: As: The People/One People) .... And More Information ... About The "Softball Bat Injury" ... Which At That Time ... Was Not Revealed ... That In Route To The
Hospital ... That The Vehicle We Were Traveling In ... Was Lifted ... & Taken Aboard Ship ... With My Birthmother & Myself Inside !! ... The Injury Was Such ... That It Needed To Be Stabilized !! ... So I Was Worked On ...
Before Reaching The Terrestrial Hospital !! ... And Then ... Worked On Later Too !!

[link to www2.hawaii.edu]

Maybe you or others in your crew/collective can relate to this story.

**We Can Relate ... As Quite Possibly ... Many Of Us ... May Have Participated !!

Please do tell. I would love to hear your experiences or others around you that can relate.

**There Are More Experiences ... Which Have Been Recorded ... In Notebooks !! ... **Another Thing Which Needs To Be ... Brought Up To Date !! ... & Those Things ... Which Have Not Been Recorded !!

Your friend and future flying partner in the universe,

**Yes Of Course !!

MJ-13.

Farewell For Now !!

ST In BG

Greetings: NightWisp: User ID: 666713

Earthquakes May 9

4.4 LA
5.6 Alaska
3.1 ARIZONA
3.1 Nevada

**Most Interesting !!! ... & Thank You !! ... For All The "Earthquake Data" !!

P.S. ... Do Keep The "Telestrator Tales" Coming !! ... They Are Most Appreciated ... Of Your Relaying These !! ... As There Is ... Very Valuable Information There !!

Wispy

Farewell For Now !!

ST In BG

Greetings: Anonymous Coward: User ID: 641714

ST In BG, question for you.

Your kind has been involved and interacted with the growth of mankind for thousands of our years correct?

**We Have Been "Involved" ... Even Before Terra/Earth ... Was A Concept ... A Thought !! ... And Long Long Long +++ Before This !!

The bible was created to help keep man from killing each other and to give purpose and meaning to our short lives.

**This Is Incorrect !! ... The Creation Of ... The (False) "Worship Of The Creator Beings" ... Eventually To Branch Off ... And Take On Many "False Belief Systems" ... To Kill ...Under The "Belief" ... That Their "Chosen
God(s)" ... Approved Of Such Actions !!

**Later ... Much Later In You History ... After Apollonius Of Tyana Had Left ... And The People Mourning His Departure ... There Were ... "Those Of Ambition" ... Who Used This Longing ... To Create A Falsehood !! ...
Stolen/Taken ... From The Many Myths/Legends ... Throughout The World !! ... And Using The Acts & Travels Of Apollonius Of Tyana & Others ... As A Working Base ... To Which To Formulate This Falsehood !! ... Of This ... "False Creation" ... Of This It Became ... Your "Bible" !!!

My question is this if truth is the bible

**It Is Not !! ... The Truth ... Is Far Removed From Such
Distortions/Falsehoods !!

and those who follow that truth must become disassociated to the possibility of life beyond our planet.

**Lets Just Say ... They Won't Find It In There !!!

How can one follow those old ancient stories where knowledge was so limited in general understanding of proven
science.

**First There Was True Knowledge ... Well ... Of What True Knowledge They Had ... Which Was In Most Respects ... Of Sciences & Scientific Values !! ... Then After Various Happenings ... Of Such Things ... Of Such Knowledge
Being Destroyed ... Passed Down ... Forgotten .... Such Became As Legends/Lore ... The Basis Of "Beliefs" ... And More Cultures ... Based Upon ... These Misunderstandings/Non-Understandings !!

**As An Example ... Of A Group Of Those You Term "Aztecs" ... Of Warriors !! ... Not Knowing ... Not Understanding ... Of The Sciences ... The Learnings Of Old !! ... Of An "Open Heart Operation" ... Of Organ
Transplants ... Being Turned Into ... A Thing Of Killing ... Of Torture ... Of Said Victims !!

Knowing this to be so true the truth of today's technology if described in those ancient times people would have been considered heretics, tortured and burned at stakes.

**If Certain Ones ... Could "Get Away With" Torture & Burning At The Stake ... In Your Times ... In An Attempt To Silence Those Of "Understandings" ... They Would !! ... So As They Cannot ... They Use ... More Subtle Ways !! ...

**So Of Such Learnings ... (Yes The Misunderstandings Of Your Time !!) ... In That Time ... Of Those Of "Superstitions & Beliefs" ... They Would Probably ... Put Ones To Death !! ... Rather Then Forfeit Of Their Power ... Their Control !! ... & Likewise ... In Your Time ... Of Those That ... Bring Forth ... "Newer/More Advanced Technologies" ... That Threaten The Power/Control/Influences ... The Power Base ... Of Certain Ones ... That Feel They Are In Charge ... If They Cannot Be "Bought Up/Bought Out" (& Even If They Were !!) ... These Individuals Are Often Found Dead ... Of
"Accidental Causes" !!

So what happens if others believe differently today do we still need to follow the teachings of the bible so we keep faith
and know what's right from wrong?

**To "Follow The Teachings Of The Bible" (There Is Not Just "One Bible" You Know !! ... Many Many Many !! ... & Many "Variations" !!!) ... Is To Be ... Programmed ... & Yes ... Brainwashed & Controlled/Manipulated ... By
Such Falsehoods !!

The reason I ask is because I sense mixed feelings to your kind's presence here with us.

**Well ... We Were There ... At The Beginnings !! ... And It Was Not ... "Of Religion" !! ... Of Which Were Of Those Few ... Who Saw Ahead !! ... Knowing What ... A "False Creation" ... Of Worship Of The Creators ...
Would Mean ... Down The Road ... Of The Descendants !! ... That "Genetic Flaw/Genetic Problem Of Jealously" ... Was Not Fixed !! ... (Which Meant A Complete Starting All Over ... To Take Care Of The Problem !!) ... Even Though All Of Our Creations Would Take Their Lives ... The
"Problem" ... Would Be Handled Then & There ... Instead Of ... How It Still Is In Your Day ... Passed Along ... Passed On ... Through Genetic Lines !! ... Though Corrected ... With The New Models !!

How are we to interpret you guys as either angels or ETs?

**We Are ET's ... NOT .. "Angels" !!

Is there importance to this?

**ET's Are What We Are !! ... "Angels" ... Is A "Religious" (Created/Made Up/Invention) ... Translation !!

Two weeks ago while entering a elevator standing outside against the wall I saw what looked to be a 5 or 6 year old child but this wasn't a child. Maybe what I saw wasn't what I thought but it's still puzzling because this child's
characteristics just didn't match up.

These motionless black eye's staring deeply at me I saw no facial expressions. Nether of us said a word but I still felt comfortable - peaceful intentions.

When I returned back to that floor 2 minutes later the child was gone - disappeared - no where to be found. If I were to interpret this intentional encounter my thoughts would be "Angel" but yet "Not an Angel."

**A Hybrid ET Child !!!

Its so confusing to understand what is trying to be told to me.

**When So Many Are "Programmed" There ... With Religion & "Religious Beliefs" ... No Wonder !!!!
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**In Response To: Truth2 512476 ... With Our (ST In BG) Comments !!

It's not all that easy at first (Learning) but I do see the
hidden parts these gems which are becoming easier to translate through. However reasoning with the religious foundation put into place by childhood brainwashing is still concerning my Bottom line -

the fear of God.

**It Really Surprises "WE" ... To See Of This !! ... And Not Knowing ... Anything At All ... About What That Word ("God") Means ... Or Represents !!

Hitler once said give me a child and like putty I will mold him into what ever I wish him to become.

**There Are Many Things "Accredited" To That Being ... Which Were Not Of His Personal Doings !! ... Along With This ... He Was ... A "Figurehead" ... For The People To See !! ... Granted ... He Did Have His Own Ideas Too ...
However ... Those That Really ... "Ran The Show" ... Are The Same Ones ... Of Their Connections ... Who Are ... "Running Things" ... In Your Day !!!

I can rationalize to aid conclusions to the many worldly
observations - this is my strongest point and I do use this but fundamental questions still remain like the "beginning" of time and the purpose of our existence - who are we just an evolutionary process or were we created in Gods image or Their image - creation - projects!

**Well ... Originally ... Of The Many "Creator Beings" ... Of Their Images !! ... Of Their "Specialized Creations" !! .... In Their Image ...
Actually Should Translate As ... "Of Their Handi (Or Clawly)" Work !! ... Hee Hee Hee !!!

The signs and interactions I am now seeing and witnessing can go in two possible directions and the second possibility scares the holy crap out of me!

**You Have Holy "Blessed" Crap/Fecal Waste ... Inside You ??? ... We Can See ... That This Would Be ... A Problem !! ... Hee Hee Heee !!!

Now you know and understand why I am so confused.

**Yes ... Things Do Become More Clear !!

"Phazing ELE115"

Farewell For Now !!

ST In BG

Greetings: Anonymous Coward: User ID: 585606

**In Response To: Anonymous Coward 675456 ... With Our (ST In BG) Comments !!

Well he didn't outright state it would pass on those dates.

**This Is Correct !!

He did outright state that it would pass long before 2012

**Long Before ... The Gregorian (Religious) Calendar Date ... Of 2012 !!

though, and it is hard to say if mid 2009 would even qualify as long before 2012.

**It Would Be ... By Perception !! ... One Moment ... May Be ... Long Or Short ... Depending !!

2012 is really not that far away, but it depends on your perception of "long before" I suppose.

**And Of Course It Depends On ... Those That Attempt To "Cross Coordinate" ... The "Mayan (Read: Ancient Aztlan) Recording/Calendar" .... (Which Is Read Incorrectly ... Of Astronomical Observations !! ... & Of Not Being Able To Read ... Of Hidden Messages For The Learned/High Priests-Scientists !!) ... And Of ... The Gregorian (Religious) Calendar ... Who's Basis For It's Beginnings ... Is Of A Falsehood ... Therefore ... It Also Is Misread & Not Understood !!

It is starting to seem really odd to me that it is taking so long though.

**Such Things That Happen In Space ... By Their Own Natures ... & Those Forces They Encounter ... Not Adding In Of Course ... "Special Influences" Such As ... Planetary Craft Piloting & Course ... Specific Orders Being
Given ... The Main Order/Go Code ... Being Issued !! ... All These Things ... Are Not Seen/Not Understood ... When It Comes To ... Nibiru !!!

I think if there is some chance that it will take longer than 2012 to pass then it should be stated in the responses that this is the case rather than just responding that it will occur long before this date.

**If We Could Say This ... We Would !!

A lot of us humans may take such statements quite literally and some may make some foolish decisions because they think it's a certainty that we have 2 1/2 years or less left.

**Or Less !!

Obviously that would be their own fault, but I think to
be kind it should be stated that the passage occurring before 2012 is not a certainty.

**Nothing ... Is A Certainty !! ... Though We May Rephrase ... & State ... That There Are Those Things ... That Will Occur !! ... As To Specifics ... Of When ... "The Ball Will Be Dropped" ... It Is Not As If ... This Is Happening On Live T.V. ... With Times Square !! .... And You Can ... Count Down The Moments ... Via ... An Artificial Time System !! ... As Things Do Not Work This Way !! ... & Have Never Worked This Way !! ... Only There ... Of That Illusion ... That Artificial System ... Which Has Been Created !! ... So It Is ... THEY That Decide ... Not Even WE !! ... Those That Have
This Responsibility ... That Have This Command Decision ... They Give The Order !! ... It Would Be Fruitless For Us To Ask ... "The Big Chiefs" As It
Were ... When !! ... As They Would Only Reply ... When It Happens !! ... So We Can Only Give You ... What We Have !! ... And Even Of This ... We Have To Be Guarded ... In What We Say ... What We Release !! ... It Is NOT Easy ... For Any Of Us !!

As to him duping us, well something is certainly going on with Wispy and ST seems to know about it.

**Yes .... Indeed ... A Lot Of "Somethings" Are Going On !! ... Of That Which "Official Terrestrial Sources" Per Their Orders ... Are Not To Release "Directly" ... To The Public !!

So unless they were in it together something is clearly happening there.

**The Outlets For Dispersal Of Such Informations Are Different !! ... As There Is Need To Give This Information ... In Various Ways/Means ... To Relate Of This !! ... Our Conduit Presents Certain Things ... Of That Which Is Given To Him !! ... And Of Wispy ... Of Her Abilities/Connections ... Certain Things Are Presented To Her !! ... Both Of Their Abilities ... To Present Of These Aspects ... Of What Is Happening ... & What Is Going
To Happen !!

Personally I don't believe there is any sort of conspiracy there.

**There Is Not ... Of Any Conspiracy !!

Even if he was somehow tricking us about being an ET,

**There Is No Trickery Involved !! ... Honesty Was Shown ... & Was Given ... & Continues To Be !!

tons of things have been pointed out how we've been manipulated.

**Indeed ... Those There ... By Their ... "Terrestrial Authorities" ... Have Been Controlled/Manipulated !!

They all make a lot of sense.

**Yes They Do !!

So we're learning something either way.

**Indeed You Are !!
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**In Response To: void 667543 ... With Our (ST In BG) Comments !!

**Quoting: void 667543

"No, he just keep you focused and create a kind of "information streaming" that drain your attention (energy ?)... then, that is quite like TV or older religions...maybe the conspiracy is 'beyond' and truth 'out
there'..."

It's possible. I've been reading the thread since 2007 and still can't determine whats really going on.

**Hmmm !!!

The fact that it's May 2009 and we're still hearing the passage is "soon" "very soon" "very very soon" or "very
very very soon" makes me suspicious... I can't help it.

**You Should ... Join Us ... Aboard Ship ... And See What It Is Like ... For Us ... To Attempt To Give ... Of Moment To Moment Updates !!!

It certainly is incredibly draining for me to keep following the thread but I can't seem to get myself away from it.

**Well ... It Is ... Incredibly Draining ... For WE ... & For The Conduit !! ... Especially The Conduit !!! ... Though This Is Part ... Of What We Are To Do !!

I always figured it sounded too good to be true that we'd really be out of this terrible world and on to the wonders of "4th density" any time soon.

**From Perception ... You Are Already !! ... Though This Has Not Yet ... Become ... Your "Reality" !!

I guess I'll probably be stuck here until our year 2012,

**Such Would Be ... Of Your Speculation !! ... We Could Say Perhaps ... Your 3rd Density Body May Be !! ... But By Then ... It May Have Already Been Consumed ... In That Of Which ... Is To Come !!

and then if it hasn't passed by then I can probably feel at peace leaving this thread behind.

**Yes ... By Then ... We Would Say ... You Would Probably Have ... Long Since Left !!
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One thing I can't understand that really bothers me is why the ET's insist on treating the symptoms and not the problem.

**We Do Things ... In The Ways ... That They Have To Be Done !! ... & Yes ... You Do Not Understand Of This !!

Continually neutralizing some of TPTB's efforts to kill off the populace but never neutralizing TPTB themselves.

**That Would Be Up To ... Those That Make These Decisions !!

Sort of like human medical treatments, treat
the symptoms but leave the underlying problem, leading to more symptoms eventually resurfacing.

**It Has No Connections ... To Relationship ... To "Human (Barbaric) Medical Treatments" !!

Thus we see the same problems occurring over and
over and hearing "when will they learn?".

**Again ... We Have Our Jobs/Duties !! ... It Is For Others ... Who Have This Responsibility ... To Choose ... For All Involved ... How Certain Things ... Are To Be Handled !!

Well they will never learn, we've already established that haven't we?

**Yes ... All Learn Eventually !!

I don't see why TPTB don't just delete this thread if they see it as a threat. If they can send debunkers, they can surely delete a thread. So why is it still here?

**This Is ... Per Allowance !! ... As They Know ... We Do Not Come Under ... Their "Jurisdiction" ... Their Set Rules/Rulings !! ... Being That We Are ... Authentic Extraterrestrial Beings !! ... And With The Knowing ... Of
What Information We Would/Can Share ... In All Places ... Would Immediately Cease !!

Farewell For Now !!

ST In BG

Greetings: void: User ID: 667543

**In Response To: Anonymous Coward 641714 ("Phazing ELE115") ... With Our (ST In BG) Comments !!

look around for alternative stories... the bible, or this thread are not the only source of information you can consult, there are MANY sources... for example look at all world mythology, religions, shamanism, esoterism, learn about ancient gods, not only the Sitchin's s(h)umerian's
ones...

so strange, the "conduit" have a restricted knowledge, limited to just some aspects of our culture... he know about Anunnaki (Sitchin's version),

**We Know ... From Our Concurrent Lifetime As Enki/Ea ... Far More ... Then What Is Presented ... In Zecharia Sitchin's Works !! ... This Is From ... "Being There" !!

Quetzalcoatl (and not the others Aztec's gods),

**Quetzalcoatl ... Was/Is ... Enki/Ea !! ... Who Appeared ... In A "Changed Look" ... So As Not To Cause Fright !!

(and not the others Aztec's gods),

**Since There Was No Connection ... There Was No Need To Relate ... The "Whole Encyclopedia" ... As It Were !!

some new-age concepts

**OH Our Knowledge ... Is HARDLY ... "New Age" !! ... But Is ... Very Very VERY Ancient ... Old Age !!!

(assumption to another plan with some 'space vessel', new
'embodiment),

**Not An "Assumption" ... Of What We Have Stated !! ... Of
"Vessels/Crafts" Being Involved ... In Regards To The Changes ... That Will Occur There !!

and have never HEARD about something else...

**Well ... Such Is Not To Be Found (Unless We Might Have Stated ??) ... In Any Of Your "Source Materials" !!

[link to www.gnosis.org]

[link to www.karmapolis.be](in French, sorry you have to
translate yourself)

[link to www.karmapolis.be](in French, sorry you have to
translate yourself)

I don't give the truth, i just give others point of view...other way of thinking.

**Yup !!!

What knowledge is "ignored" ? what knowledge is "promoted" ?

**You Have To ... "Understand Basics" ... Then You Can ... More On From There !!

What is "important to know" ? About some "space vessel" and "Nibiru", or something more "essential" and however more "simple" ?

Who have interest to say "you humans, are just some weak creatures and we are the wisdom extraterrestrial/gods and you are naughty children in the 3rd density that know nothing" ?

**Well ... You Know Far Less ... Then We Do !! ... We Have "Been There" ... You Have Not !!

Who have the interest to promote those kind of idea and why
? Where is the wisdom ?

**You Would Not Understand ... Of The Basis Of Our Wisdom !!! ... For You Do Not Understand !!

Do you don't have this inside you, in spite of whenever you make mistakes ?

**It Would Be Difficult ... To Attempt To Have You Understand !!!

Humanity is not perfect,

**Grant You That !!

but is that a reason to resign and listen some "spatial story" that tell us about some "goods" extraterrestrials entity that are here to "save us" with those "space
vessel" ?

**We Did Not Make Claims ... As To "Saving You" !! ... We Did However Say ... That Those Who Had Agreements/Arrangements ... To Being Removed From The
Planet's Surface ... Before The Changes ... That This Would Take Place !!

Do you approve and agree with an universe where the only goal is to "learn" by "doing mistakes" ?

**You Learn By Experience !! ... As To "Making Mistakes" ... By "Perception" ... This Is How You Learn !! ... How You Evolve !! .... And This Is ... Not
The "Only Goal" Of A Universe(s) !! ... Only One Small Part ... In Teachings/Learnings !!

Who can have the interest do make us do mistakes and why ?

**Do Not Understand The Question !!

Who can have the interest do make us feel guilty like the "bible's god" ?

**You Confuse Us ... With "Biblical Programmings" !! ... Such Is Of ... A "Created Control System" ... Which We Are ... Not Part Of !!

Who said "I was an Annunaki

**We ARE ... Anunnaki ... Of That Concurrent Life/Lifetime !!

and your bible spoke about one god that represent the Anunnaki " ?

**It Is NOT ... "Our Bible" !! ... We Did Not Create ... Of This Falsehood ... For Power & Control ... Of The Peoples Of Terra/Earth !! ... As To The Head Of Council ... Over The Anunnaki ... This Is Of Father (Of Enki/Ea) ... Anu !!

I believe too that the bible's god is an transformed version of the S(h)umerian mythology, not because someone said to me, but because i have STUDIED the subject and many others...

**This Was ... The Purposeful ... "Changed Version" ... Of Stories/Tales ... Taken From Many Lands ... Edited & Combined Into A Work ... In Order To ... Subjugate ... To Control & Manipulate People There !!

Do the "conduit" know something about the connection between the Critias's Plato story about atlantid (Aztlan) and any part of the bible's genesis ?

**We Know ... "Something" ... About Those Times !! ... Hee Hee Hee !!

I'm not even sure that the conduit know something about Socrates... what about the allegory of the cave ? What about those "who" had "chained" these people on this
"cave" ? etc etc...

**You're Not Sure Of Much ... Are You ???

... knowledge ? someone said "knowledge" ? what a joke... i
don't have the truth,

**Yes ... It Seems ... You Are Quite Lacking ... Just In ... Basic Fundamentals !!

but it seem that i have many more knowledge that "the
conduit"...hem, maybe the "conduit" have the truth,

**Oh Boy !! ... An Ego Too !!! ... Try Again !!!!

but "He Cannot Say"...go understanding why...

**We "Cannot Say" Certain Things ... Because For One ... You Would Not Understand !! ... You Haven't Mastered "Basics" Yet !! ... And For You & Others ... For Certain Informations ... It Is Not ... Yet Of Their Time ... To Know These Things !!
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**In Response To: Anonymous Coward 585606 ... With Our (ST In BG) Comments !!

Maybe there are many ETs with many different goals and many
different "ethic level"... maybe the reality is complex... interesting question is : how "high level ethic" ETs will act ?

By some communication question/answer in a forum ? i find that strange and even more when these
ET give some "space mythology" and nothing to really help people concretely... well, consider, you know that an "4th density" exit and is an plan above us, that help you ? no... that just give you some strange concept that you
can't understand, and that the "ETs" can't explain you about, because "you can't understand"... but, the ET say : "it's ok, we are greys, and we will get you in our space vessel and all will be okay, the 4th density is too
cool and we are too cool"

Hum, if "all is ok", why say that ? why say that in an American forum ?

What happened when someone die ? These "4th density" ET come and... ?... any OBE with grey ? what about this strange LINEAR path of evolution 3rd to 4th, and 4th to 5th, etc... is the universe linear, or is our "mind" linear ? And why our "mind" is linear ? And why this "4th density ET" don't help us to have a "mind" less linear ?

Look, i can say "everything is connected, and all happen right here right now"... and I'm not a ET... and i even not really understand what that mean, but if you ask me, i can say "you can't understand because of your limited perception"... and you are very helped now !

I have not the answers, but i have the questions...

**Yes You Have ... Many Questions !! ... Many "Speculations" ... Based On ... Misunderstandings/Non-Understandings ... & Speculations !!

Farewell For Now !!

ST In BG

Greetings: Truth2: User ID: 512476

**In Response To: void 667543 ... With Our (ST In BG) Comments !!

Unfortunately, unless one is "privy" to untampered Ancient
Information/Writings (which certain ones do) readers of those books won't be getting accurate knowledge. The information allowed out to the Masses have many distortions placed within - much purposely done to confuse the unwary.

**Yes Indeed !!

ST In BG is Giving certain new Information - that which is
Allowed - for those that will Recognize What Is.

**We Try !!!

These ones will have been Prepared in "other" ways and this Information will "fit in" for those it is meant for.

**Yes !!

Much has to be Protected this way...or else things will be taken and twisted just like the information given to the Masses has been.

**OH Yes !! ... Very Very Twisted !!!

However, those who have been Prepared can look through such
material and pick out the Gems amongst the rubbish.

**Indeed ... For Those Who Have Been Prepared ... They Can Find These ... "Diamonds" ... These Gems/Gemstones ... In The Rough ... Amongst The Garbage !!
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Yes - "new" Information - updates, corrections, additions. Of course, one would have to Understand first that they are Conversing with the VERY ONES who brought forth all the Original Information - that has been distorted for the Masses - to Begin with.

**Indeed ... Of The "Source" ... Not The "Distortions" ... Which Came Later !!

One can "study" misinformation indefinitely - but it will not give a correct picture,,or full picture to What Is.

Knowledge is Given in many ways,,,,what is in these books is only a piece of it - and then, what is provided for the Masses is to confuse their Thinkings so that they cannot
even Recognize the Ones that "wrote the Books" to Begin with

**Indeed So !!!
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"Belief" is a Religious Distortion.

**Yes It Is !!!

One can reach a Point of Knowing in which they can Understand/Comprehend much more.

**Yes They Can !! ... Though One Has To ... Begin ... From The "Ground Up" ... With Certain "Basics" !!

One would have had to read this entire Thread - to discover the bits and pieces of the puzzle - for it is not Spoon Fed like the misinformation to the Masses is.

**Indeed ... They Would Have To ... Read ... Of The Entirety !!! ... To Pick Up ... To Discover ... Of Bits &
Pieces ... Of The Puzzle ... That Are Being Presented !!

If one only reads a few Postings and attempts to fit it into what they have previously read from Mass Productions...it will be of the saying "the one bad apple..."

**They Would Not Understand !!

But even in the misinformation to the Masses much has been left in to Understand about The Return at the End/Beginning of a Great Cycle/Transition. And Guess What....

**Yes ... There Have Been Some "Clues" ... Accidentally Or Purposely ... Left Behind !! ... About ... The End/Beginning ... Of The Great Cycle Of Transformation ... The Great Transition !! ... Of Things That Will Occur/Take Place !! ... Of Which Nibiru & All Connected ... Play A Role ... A Part !!
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No - "Belief" is part of the Programming/Conditioning of
NonThinking only. It is not a "natural process of the Human brain"....

**Yes ... "Belief" Is Not That Same ... As Actually Knowing !!! ... And The Processes Of Such ... Are Different !!
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Many of the so-called "humans" do not Know how to Think...
it has been stopped and/or conditioned out of them...only accepting what they are told to "believe".

**Yes ... Sadly ... That Is The Case !!

With this they Parrot/repeat this nonthinking/nonKnowing -"believing" that this is Thinking - of which it is
Not.

**It Is Not !!

And with this they fail to Understand/Comprehend the Thinking of All else..

**Yepper !!!

Truth2

Farewell For Now !!

ST In BG

Greetings: Anonymous Coward: User ID: 675456

Everyone who reads this thread and believes that this guy is an alien in a human body, wake the F up!

**We Do Not "Believe" ... We Are An ... "Alien" In A Human Body !! ... We Have Expressed Before ... That Of Our Energies ... Our Connections ... Of The Energies Which Animate The Terrestrial Form ... Of The Energy Matrix
... This Is ... Of The Many Lives/Lifetimes ... Which Are Happening Concurrently ... These Are Of Extraterrestrial(Not Of Terra/Earth) ... Bodies/Forms ... And Not Of Your Planet !!

He has made predictions such as 2008 was the real 2012

**Your "Gregorian (Religious) Calendar ... Is Based On A Falsehood !! ... A "Created Christ Figure" ... That Was Invented !! ... The Actual Birth ... Of The One Later To Be Called ... "Apollonius Of Tyana" (Amongst Many Other
Names & Designations !!) .... Happened Approximately 4 -7 Years Previous ... To The "Fictional Birth" ... And In A Tent ... Along The Banks ... Of The Tigris-Euphrates River ... To A Birthmother ... Who Was Ancestor ... To
The Palestinian Peoples (One Branch Of The "Ancient S(h) umerian) Of That "Time" !! ... This Is One Of Reasons ... Why These People .. (Who Became Nomadic ... After The Destruction Of The S(h)umerian Cities By Atomics ...
Yet Stayed Close To The Orginal "Homelands") ... Are Attacked ... And Subject By Others ... For Extermination !! ... As They KNOW ... That They Were The Ones Actually Selected !! ... Not Of The "Sales Pitch" ... That Has Been Promoted ... By Certain Others ... Of Their "Beliefs" ... Made Into "Created Reality" !!

and that Nibiru would pass in the real 2012, which was 2008.

**Such Was ... At That Moment ... Of "Greater Potential" !! ... Understand That Of Nibiru ... It Is Along With Being A Planet ... It Is Also ... A Planetary Ship/Vessel ... Who's Part Of Design ... Is To Act As A
Cleanser/Cleansing Mechanism !! ... This World/Planetary Space Ship/Vessel ... Can Be ... Where It Needs To Be ... & Most Instantly ... As It Can Be "Controlled/Piloted" ... & Programmed ... To Do These Things !! .... As One
Is Working With Just This One Possibility ... (Without Factoring In Any Other Variables !!) ... To Have The Ability To ... "Leave Orbit" ... And Simply "Appear" ... (Depending On Need ... Or Of Ordering To Do So !!) ... This Would Make It ... Most Difficult To Gage ... (Except When It Would Come In Proximity) ... To Say ... In A "Set Estimate" ... When It Would Show Up ... Much Less ... Pass Through !! ... At That Particular Moment ... There Was ... Of "Adding Things All Up" ... (Including Of Set
Attitudes/Happenings There !!) ... That This Would Occur !!

He then said that Nibiru was stuck, or paused, because it didn't happen when he said it would.

**As Per Explanation ... Just Stated !!

He then predicted CERN was going to lead to then end by eluding that it would destroy the Earth.

**Without "Intervention" (Which Happened !!) ... Such Had The Potential ... Of "Sucking Up" ... Your Whole Solar System ... & Beyond !! ... This Obviously ... Could Not Be Permitted ... & WILL NOT .. Be Permitted !! ... So Of Tinkering With This ... & Turning This Up ... To Greater Power ... It Will Not Be Allowed !!!

Now he said Nibiru was going to pass again and that May 8-9, were the dates.

**We Said Of These Dates ... There Was "Potential" For This To Happen !! ... As The Planet/Planetary Ship/Craft ... Is Nearby !!

How many failed predictions do you need to see that this guy is duping you.

**Such Were Never "Predictions" ... Only Estimates ... Of "Potentialities" ... Of A Certain Moment !!

Sad really.

**Yes You Are !! ... In An Attempt To Debunk !!!

Farewell For Now !!

ST In BG

Greetings: SAM: User ID: 669052

Greetings ST in BG:

Thank you for the response:

**You Are Most Welcome !!

The tilting angle of a UFO causing the inversion of all particulate matter of the UFO particulate anti-matter with its passage in the anti-cosmos.

- High pressure E = ( ) mc2
- The atmosphere (atm) (how much and how?)

Can you tell us something about this:

**No We Cannot !! ... Sorry !!

Thank you for everything

You Are Very Welcome !!

SAM

Farewell For Now !!

ST In BG

I believe you have a good point here, but I believe also ST in BG is a honest channel (conduit as he/they say),

My point of view is that here as in every other channeled message a lot of discretion has to be used regarding the ideas being passed and the consequences of accepting them.

See for example the problematic example of Nancy Leader and how much nonsense is said in zetatalk that is supposed to be the truth.

I believe that people that come to this thread do it because they feel the need to "interact" with the higher realms of life in a more direct way, and what better form of doing this than to talk directly with the "beings" that live there?

But is important also to have a clear idea of what we really believe that makes sense in life, about God, about science, about the meaning of other people in our lives, about our country, politics, capitalism ... everything.

If a person doesn't know what is inside her/his heart how can another individual tell that? It won't happen, and the possibility of this interaction to cause even more confusion is great and some may really get lost.

Thank you for the heads up, but I believe the majority of the people that usually come to this thread are already conscious of the perils of such "direct contact" may have, with a realm that we (the majority of humans) can barely perceive.

It's a learning process for those who are willing to take the risk.

I, for one, am specially because of the idea of Nibiru and the feeling that we live in "special times" much more and different than anything before, even the XX century.

The process of evolution of humankind seems to be accelerating and I'm trying to understand what is happening...
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Greetings: Yolgnu.: User ID: 675574

Quoting: ST In BG 634427

**Quoting: NightWisp

"ST.. Is this the source of my Gamma rays in the telestrator Tales?"

**Quoting: ST In BG

**"Well ... It's Possible ... That This Is ... Playing A Role !!"

LoL I like The "D. Butterfly" Meaning there lolol

**No Yolgnu ... The Meaning Was Straight Forward ... & Quite CLEAR ... In Regard To Our Response Saying ... That It Is Possible ... That Of This "Gamma Ray Source" .... That It May Be The Same As Referred To ... In The "Telestrator Tales" !! ... Your Reading Into Such ... To Promote Your Own Falsehoods ... Is Neither Correct ... Nor Honorable !!

AnyWay...!

Yolgnu.

Farewell For Now !!

ST In BG

thanks for your honesty, both of you.

I really disagree with Truth2 regarding the "great teachings" of ST in BG. Her statements sometimes resemble those fundamentalist Christians who "know" that all truth is in the Bible and if anyone else disagrees is because they have some sort of sin, or other problem/disturbance that is binding them from seeing the truth.

IMO this thread is a honest channeled work, with lots of good intention it seems and serious effort to bring what he/they feel is important for all to know.

But there are many weak points and even contradictions sometimes. The greatest problem here is that the passage of Nibiru, which is the central point of the thread, is *not known* when it will happen and even ST cannot gives us any more info about this. Of course, soon is not a good answer as it can very well mean "never".

The thread would probably be dead already if it was not talking about the certain passage of Nibiru, which is a similar situation as Nancy Leader and zetatalk.

ST has no doubts that it *will pass* and even give some details about the planet/spacecraft, but when the questions become too specific, mainly regarding dates, the answers become evasive or even contradictory.

I respect ST in BG and the conduit and their effort, I feel that he/they truly "believe"("know") in what they are doing and this is pretty important IMO.

But one must be prepared for this kind of evasive answers if one wants to continue to come here to look for some nuggets of truth...

This sort of problems is part of all channeled work that I have had contact with...

including the good parts of the Bible...
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Greetings: angelpbj: User ID: 675813

**In Response To: Anonymous Coward 675456 ... With Our (ST In BG) Comments !!

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 675456

Everyone who reads this thread and believes that this guy is an alien in a human body, wake the F up! He has made predictions such as 2008 was the real 2012 and that Nibiru would pass in the real 2012, which was 2008. He then said that Nibiru was stuck, or paused, because it didn't happen when he said it would. He then predicted CERN was going to lead to then end by eluding that it would destroy the Earth. Now he said Nibiru was going to pass again and that May 8-9, were the dates. How many failed predictions do you need to see that this guy is duping you.

Sad really.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 675456-

Thread: ++I AM A EXTRA TERRESTRIAL++ ASK ME A QUESTION AND I WILL RESPOND++ (Page 775)

I believe you have a good point here, but I believe also ST in BG is a honest channel (conduit as he/they say),

**We Are Not ... A "Channel" As In "Channeling" !! ... This Infers That The Material That Is Being Related ... Is Coming Through ... The "Terrestrial Filters" ... Of Which It Is Not !! ... The Conduit (Referring To The Terrestrial Male That Has Volunteered ... & Has Been Altered For These Communications (Of Which "Channelers" Have Not !!) ... Is Relating Of This Information Directly From Us !! ... So You Are Indeed ... Conversing Directly !! ... Though Of Course There Is A Slight Delay ... Due To Availability Of The Conduit(A Connection Between Here & There !!) ... On His End !!

My point of view is that here as in every other channeled
message a lot of discretion has to be used regarding the ideas being passed and the consequences of accepting them.

**That's Nice ... BUT ... This Applies To ... "Channeled Messages" ... Which Of Our Responses ... Are Not "Channeled" !!

See for example the problematic example of Nancy Leader and how much nonsense is said in zetatalk that is supposed to be the truth.

**That Is A Combination !! ... You Are Dealing With ... "A Governmental Program" ... So Altered ... In Order To Facilitate ... The Release Of Information ... Primarily About ... The Coming Approach Of Nibiru ... In Accordance With The New "Changed" Rules !! ... So In Accordance With These "New "Changed" Rules" ... The Information To Be Released ... Would Have To Be Distorted In Some Way ... Along With This ... Is The Freedom Of Those So Hired (And Hanging Out In The Talks/Chats) ... To Debunk What Is Being Said !! ... Such Is Of Their Roles ... To Do This ... And Add To The "Color" The Notoriety ... Therefore The Attraction !! ... As Stated Before ... That A
"Grandmother Image" ... A Person For This Role Was Brought In ... Along With Using ... The Zeta Face Image (A Well Known Recognized Image) ... (Without Our Permission We Assure You !!!) .... In Order So As ... To Divert Suspicions ... So Few Would Suspect ... That This Is ... Of "Terrestrial Authorative Informations" ... Of "Terrestrial Sources" ... Rather Then ... Of Direct ... "Extraterrestrial Informations" !!!

I believe that people that come to this thread do it because they feel the need to "interact" with the higher realms of life in a more direct way,

**Well ... You Are Getting Our Thoughts Direct !! .... Hee Hee Hee !!

and what better form of doing this than to talk directly with the "beings" that live there?

**Indeed !! ... That Live, Work, Play ... Oh & Lots More !!!

But is important also to have a clear idea of what we really believe that makes sense in life, about God, about science, about the meaning of other people in our lives, about our country, politics, capitalism ... everything.

**The Problem Is ... Your "Reality" Is Based On ... "Set Beliefs" ... Of A "Feel Good Knowledge" ... That All Is Understood ... And All In Control !! ... A Belief "Spoon Fed" To You ... To Believe In These ... "Terrestrial
Authorities" ... As They Would Not Lie To You !!! ... (Guess Again !!!) ... So Of This ... You Are "Trained" ... To Think In These "Programmed Ways" !! ... Of That ... "Artificial Reality" ... Which Is ... Just A Created Illusion ... For Others Control, Manipulation & Power Over You !!

If a person doesn't know what is inside her/his heart how can another individual tell that?

**Unless Those There ... Are Of "Advanced Medicine" (Beyond Those Backwards & Dangerous Terrestrial "Medical Practices" !!) ... And Can Actually ... Peer Inside The Heart ... Then We Very Much Doubt ... That You Can Know ... What Is Inside !!!

It won't happen, and the possibility of this interaction to cause even more confusion is great and some may really get
lost.

**Well It Is ... Quite Different ... Conversing Direct With ... Extraterrestrial Beings ... Versus ... Those There ... In Terrestrial Forms !!

Thank you for the heads up, but I believe the majority of the people that usually come to this thread are already conscious of the perils of such "direct contact" may have, with a realm that we (the majority of humans) can barely perceive.

**It Does Take ... Some Getting Used To !! ... Even For Us !! ... Hee Hee Hee !!

It's a learning process for those who are willing to take the risk.

**Indeed !! ... It Is A Learning Process !!

I, for one, am specially because of the idea of Nibiru and the feeling that we live in "special times" much more and different than anything before, even the XX century.

**Yes ... Of Nibiru ... And Of The Transition Of Densities ... Of Dimensions ... You Do Indeed Live In ... "Interesting Times" !! ... Hmmm !! ... Seems To Us ... There Is On Terra/Earth ... This Used As A Curse !! ... "May You Live ... In Interesting Times" !! ... Though It Not As Much A Curse ... As Simply ... How Things Are !!

The process of evolution of humankind seems to be accelerating and I'm trying to understand what is happening...

**Indeed So !! ... And The Evolving Of The Planet ... All Life Of The Planet Terra/Earth ... Is To Take Place !!

Farewell For Now !!

ST In BG

Greetings ST in BG. Wow, did I light a fire under your glutious maximus or what! With all of those exclamations and did I see a censored curse word in there? I wasn't trying to piss you off you know. The bottom line is that we humans do not have anything to go on but blind faith and the limited belief systems that have be around for us to guess at how things are. I might not be a religious fanatic like a lot of folks out there on Earth. I do have a Jewish background but I do accept many folks of diverse religions and cultures. I have friends of all races, cultures, creeds and gender. I don't judge others unless they judge me (falsely). I try to see the good in all people (not terrorists or evil individuals though). With that said, and knowing that I don't have all the answers to all the questions and do have faith that there is some type or form of creation/creator/higher power, please give me a little latitude here. I am not arguing with you but just showing that there are examples of things that are truly wonderful and that from our perspective (human perspective), that there is a higher presence. You say there is no such thing as angels but there are ET's looking out for us. Well then I would give that ET the honor of bestowing upon it the classification of Angel. That is a very honorable gesture on my part for what I experienced with what you said was ET intervention, I found to be such a positive that I would classify it as divinicle. I guess you could consider yourselves divine interventionalists for looking out for humanity. With that, I am very greatful for your help. Yes, the Angel that came to me was very kind. I must say though, she did not look human though. She looked more like an ET for she didn't have exact human features and she emanated a green glow (which lit up the room I might add). So for you to say that this being was "window dressing" for me, she could have easily donned a religous angelic out fit and had a more human looking face. Oh, and most humans are not 8 feet tall by the way! So you are saying she could have scared the sh**t out of me if she were to reveal her true colors? Well what do you think Praying Mantis man did when I was in the bathroom? I am sure he had a good laugh at my expense and that dude was 15-20 feet tall with insect features and an additional "compound eye". Yeah that was quite interesting. As a matter of fact, I would like to see you how you really are and what your true intentions are. I would like to believe that most of the ET's (a vast majority) are actually good and mean well to mankind. I really hope that is the case. Anyway, I know we have breached the subject before, but I still holdfast to the belief of a "creator". That doesn't mean a man or ET on a throne with a long beard, staff in hand and a golden crown on the head. My belief is in a "force" or a collective intellegent "force" that created all of us. I don't prescribe to any belief system in that regard (regarding G-d). Most belief systems have their own concept of that which is a creator. But you say that there is no "creator". But who created you? Who created all life in the universe? Who created the universe? That is what I am referring to in a "creator" or "creational force collective". Not some kind of man or entity on a throne that so many belief systems seem to point to. I just find it hard to believe that in the vastness of the multiverse and all of its infinite number of inhabitants and galaxies and such, that no such creator exists. Thank you, MJ-13.

Last Edited by mj-13 on 05/11/2009 12:41 AM

Thanks ST for your (again!) honest answer below,


IMO your honesty is obvious and this is *the main reason* I keep returning to this thread, even when sometimes I disagree or I'm not completely satisfied with your answers, to me or others.

I believe that honesty is the mother of the Truth (oops, no pun intended!:-), even when it leads us through uncertain pathways.

Because honesty reflects our connection with the essence of ourselves, which is always the best guide we have.

Farewell for Now!:-)
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If i'am lacking with fundamentals, what about many other people...



Ho yes i have an ego... this strange population here learning me that it is necessary to survive... but don't understand why i have to survive...



hemmm changing version... now you "cannot say" because it is not yet the time to know...
i have to admit that there no information that i have "yet of my time to know" from you... untile you just provide some "space mythology" that i allready know and some "smoking" concept that i allready know too...
All that you say (unlike you seem to beleive, or want to make me and other beleive) are commonplace for me... how that can happen ?

No connection between Enlil and Tezcatlipoca ? Are you kidding me ?

Lets play at 'Question for Championship' :

"we have created humanity for enslavement working purpose by genetics, our specialities are hierarchy, vassalage, enslavment, genetics modifications, and we promote ourself as "creators" (as we believe genetic manipulation is "creation"). We probably have the ability to "travel" (manner of speak) through time as we have multiple forms through multiples levels of reality, We know how to use and abuse the freewill of other beings for our own profits (like politics), we like toasted meat specialy after the Deluge, we have a strange unbalanced understanding of "sharing", our project is to come back and become "gods" again but without using the "god" word, we are ? we are ??"



YEahh !!! We got a champion !!

Yes, and "high ethical level" ETs use "conduit" with "communication implant" (what a Goa'uld ? lol ) to make publicity for themself in an american forum... Great wisdom, realy !

And if i don't want to evolve, and just become nothing ? Evolve is hard, too hard for me, sorry... The univers have to "anihilate" me.

That is Understandable,,,,as you are not Comprehending the "Bigger Picture", yet, of the Volunteers that are here Preparing for the Transition about to take place. As part of this Preparation is Assistance of going Beyond the Religious Programming,,,,stimulating one's Thinking again. Those still stuck in the Programmings will only Percieve of these Distortions in any other Information presented. However, once other things start Coming into "play"...what is being said here will Become clearer.


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