Hi RightNut, you kind of remind me of myself when i first learned of this thread and started posting, i came in with no knowledge of what this thread was about cause another poster suggested i take a look, i learned of this site through nancy lieder and a link from her website brought me here, if you want to try to find my beginnings look on page 295 as annonoymous coward in a comment and response i made to Divine Interventionist. I myself just read the first post, then skimmed the latest page a little bit, and found their post and was thinking maybe they would respond but i got a response from ST and from their i questioned them with many things, and checked other sources and by golly what they teach makes alot of sense to me and the way things are taught through them seem like the way things are here and seems very very believable. Take care my friend, Josh.